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jessian
Member Posts: 277
in Everquest II
got Wow on day of release, and loved the game to bits. started a decent guild at the time, Northwind Gale with 2 other players, then the kids came.
The main problem WoW has, is the pathetic level of social skills present in the players of WOW. they are a bunch of pratts. no more no less. so i cancelled my subscription i dont see the point in paying Blizzard to be subjected to abusive tells, mail and the like.
so my question,
what is EQII really like? is their the dreaded PVP? or is it all PVE?
and is their any decent interesting UK guilds out there?
give me reasons to buy this game!
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You should play WoW on RP servers. The community is extremely friendly there.
Whats eq2 really like? well to be honest that's an extremely broad question. for that i would suggest looking around the official site and looking over things about the game. it's harder to level than WoW, and its not as casual. the game deffinitely requires you to put some time into it, but it's extremely fun IMO.
the crafting is very robust, better than most games out there. it's not just the simple "this goes with this to make this at the click of a button" type deal like most games have. i can't really describe it because i havent seen anything like it before (although i have heard some people compare it to Horizon's crafting system), but i really like it.
the community in eq2 is wonderful. as in all games, there is the occasional jackass, but even on non-RP servers they are very few and far between.
there is no PVP at this point, however there will be in the upcoming expansion. it will be mostly arena style and duels, not open pvp or RvR like in WoW or L2.
one of the most important things IMO to having an enjoyable experience, especially at higher levels, (and people who are used to my posts know what i'm going to say already) is that you join a guild. im guessing you already figured that though, as you asked for a good UK one. to be honest i dont know of any good ones in the UK, but it shouldnt be too hard to find.
that's about it from me right now. its 5:00AM and im goin to bed finally. later
oh ya, 1 more thing, as soon as google video hosting approves it, i have a video of my guild raiding in eq2 that may give you an idea of what higher level eq2 is like.
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Well, EQ2 follows the same general "formula" as does WoW: quests to gain exp and items, some grinding for EXP, etc. The main differences between WoW and EQ2 as I have found them:
1. EQ2 is harder than WoW. By that I mean that (a) it is slower to level than WoW, (b) things are more complex and involved than WoW on many levels. EQ2 feels like a more involved, slower, more complex version of WoW ... some people find that fun and some people don't. It depends on what you like.
2. EQ2 has much more involved crafting than WoW. I found WoW's crafting system to be very, very easy to the point of being simplistic and therefore boring. EQ2's is much harder, more involved, and time-consuming. Again, some like that and some hate it.
3. EQ2 is much more group-oriented. In response to complaints about this from players who like to solo, SOE has added more solo content and more content for small groups, but there is still quite a bit of content in the game that really can't be done solo before the mobs con "grey" meaning no EXP or loot. At some point, you're going to need groups, and good ones, to advance in EQ2, whereas in WoW that point comes very late in the game, really, if at all. This includes important quests to advance in your profession and for armor and the like -- some of these are very hard to solo, if possible at all to do so.
4. EQ2 does not have PvP at the moment. PvP is coming, in the nature of duels and arena-style combat, but no open PvP has WoW offers on its PvP servers.
5. EQ2 has a different production/graphical style than WoW. Some prefer it, and some don't. There are lots of load screens in EQ2, whereas WoW really has none other than instances. EQ2 is much more demanding on your system than is WoW, and if you don't have a very good graphics card, you simply can't run EQ2 on your system. EQ2 has more or less photorealistic graphics, while WoW has a more fantasy-art style -- I think they both have their charms, but countless flame wars have been started over this difference alone.
6. As a result of all of these things, EQ2's community is *very* different from what you see in WoW. In WoW you can find goodd community on some servers, but there are a lot of the sort of people you found there as well. There aren't many in EQ2 because it doesn't seem to appeal to them, and as a result the community, in game and on the forums, is much more civil than in WoW.
7. WoW allows more customization to your character (not in appearance, but in spells and abilities) because in WoW you choose these whereas in EQ2, while every now and then you get a choice of speciality, otherwise your spells and abilities are simply handed to you as you reach a new level.
8. The market system in EQ2 leaves a lot to be desired ... you essentially have to be logged in to the game and in your room in order to sell items (which means that people do it when they are logged in and afk). SOE has done this to keep a lid on inflation, and this has had some success, but the lack of a bazaar makes it much less convenient to sell items to other players (whether they are crafted or drops) than is the case in WoW.
9. SOE has a 'bundling" program whereby you can subscribe for several SOE games for the monthly fee of USD 21.99 (not sure what the offer is in the UK), which is a pretty good deal for EQ2, EQ, SWG and, soon MxO. EQ2 and SWG alone for 21.99 is a good deal, if you are interested in that. On the other hand, not many of us have the time to really play actively more than one MMO at a time, so the idea of having several of them for a slightly higher price may seem more useful than it actually is. I know that I don't have the time to play more than one MMO seriously at a time if I hope to make any progress, and I suspect many others are like this as well, but in any case from the financial perspective its a pretty good deal given the number of games that are included.
10. Some people describe EQ2 as more like work, depending on what you are doing, than WoW, which is more "fun focused". In a sense this is true. You do have to work harder in EQ2 I think for rewards than you do in WoW, and I think Blizzard designed WoW purposely that way to make the game simpler and emphasize fun. I like both game types, really, it depends on the mood I am in, but a lot of people prefer one over the other.
You should try EQ2 and see if you like it. You may, and you may not. There are plenty of folks who have migrated back and forth between WoW and EQ2 in both directions depending on what kind of game they prefer. Good luck and have fun!
Well, EQ2 follows the same general "formula" as does WoW: quests to gain exp and items, some grinding for EXP, etc. The main differences between WoW and EQ2 as I have found them:
1. EQ2 is harder than WoW. By that I mean that (a) it is slower to level than WoW, (b) things are more complex and involved than WoW on many levels. EQ2 feels like a more involved, slower, more complex version of WoW ... some people find that fun and some people don't. It depends on what you like.
2. EQ2 has much more involved crafting than WoW. I found WoW's crafting system to be very, very easy to the point of being simplistic and therefore boring. EQ2's is much harder, more involved, and time-consuming. Again, some like that and some hate it.
3. EQ2 is much more group-oriented. In response to complaints about this from players who like to solo, SOE has added more solo content and more content for small groups, but there is still quite a bit of content in the game that really can't be done solo before the mobs con "grey" meaning no EXP or loot. At some point, you're going to need groups, and good ones, to advance in EQ2, whereas in WoW that point comes very late in the game, really, if at all. This includes important quests to advance in your profession and for armor and the like -- some of these are very hard to solo, if possible at all to do so.
4. EQ2 does not have PvP at the moment. PvP is coming, in the nature of duels and arena-style combat, but no open PvP has WoW offers on its PvP servers.
5. EQ2 has a different production/graphical style than WoW. Some prefer it, and some don't. There are lots of load screens in EQ2, whereas WoW really has none other than instances. EQ2 is much more demanding on your system than is WoW, and if you don't have a very good graphics card, you simply can't run EQ2 on your system. EQ2 has more or less photorealistic graphics, while WoW has a more fantasy-art style -- I think they both have their charms, but countless flame wars have been started over this difference alone.
6. As a result of all of these things, EQ2's community is *very* different from what you see in WoW. In WoW you can find goodd community on some servers, but there are a lot of the sort of people you found there as well. There aren't many in EQ2 because it doesn't seem to appeal to them, and as a result the community, in game and on the forums, is much more civil than in WoW.
7. WoW allows more customization to your character (not in appearance, but in spells and abilities) because in WoW you choose these whereas in EQ2, while every now and then you get a choice of speciality, otherwise your spells and abilities are simply handed to you as you reach a new level.
8. The market system in EQ2 leaves a lot to be desired ... you essentially have to be logged in to the game and in your room in order to sell items (which means that people do it when they are logged in and afk). SOE has done this to keep a lid on inflation, and this has had some success, but the lack of a bazaar makes it much less convenient to sell items to other players (whether they are crafted or drops) than is the case in WoW.
9. SOE has a 'bundling" program whereby you can subscribe for several SOE games for the monthly fee of USD 21.99 (not sure what the offer is in the UK), which is a pretty good deal for EQ2, EQ, SWG and, soon MxO. EQ2 and SWG alone for 21.99 is a good deal, if you are interested in that. On the other hand, not many of us have the time to really play actively more than one MMO at a time, so the idea of having several of them for a slightly higher price may seem more useful than it actually is. I know that I don't have the time to play more than one MMO seriously at a time if I hope to make any progress, and I suspect many others are like this as well, but in any case from the financial perspective its a pretty good deal given the number of games that are included.
10. Some people describe EQ2 as more like work, depending on what you are doing, than WoW, which is more "fun focused". In a sense this is true. You do have to work harder in EQ2 I think for rewards than you do in WoW, and I think Blizzard designed WoW purposely that way to make the game simpler and emphasize fun. I like both game types, really, it depends on the mood I am in, but a lot of people prefer one over the other.
You should try EQ2 and see if you like it. You may, and you may not. There are plenty of folks who have migrated back and forth between WoW and EQ2 in both directions depending on what kind of game they prefer. Good luck and have fun!
I have accounts on both games but i played EQ2 more in the last time. I wanted to add a few comments to this.
4. just a short addition soe said that pvp servers will propably be introduced a bit after the expansion.
7. both games don't allow much customization to spells and abilities, my highest WOW char is not that high but the improvements you get by the specialisations are comparable to buying adept 3 or master spells of special spells in EQ2.
8. is no longer correct. SOE added offline selling some months ago. now you can sell items that are in your house vault while you are offline. People can buy them from the broker but they cannot skip the broker fee. the person selling with a character in the room for the same price will have still an advantage over the one using offline selling.
I'd like to try and sum up EQ2 a bit more quickly then that.
First, yes there is a good UK community, I personally live in the USA but made allot of UK friends while playing AO and ended up playing on UK servers. However, I really don't recommend playing this game unless you have at least 1 or 2 real life friends who are going to be leveling with you.
Second. The game is pure PVE, no pvp. They plan on implementing PVP later.
The player base is probably the most mature of any player base out there, which is very nice. The reason why I quit is the game gets repetitive. Ill explain, the game is divided up into different area zones, as you level up, you go to the bigger and harder zones. The problem is, every new zone plays almost exactly like the last zone you were in only everything looks different.
For instance, the first zone for good guys, Qeynos, green feilds with allot of dog-like mobs which fight in healer / fighter groups and live around the terrain and in a dungeon, in one of the higher level zones, Enchanted Lands, its the exact same concept i.e. move from camp to camp and then go to a dungeon, only this time its goblins, and in Zeck its Orcs, and in the Thundering Steeps its Zombies. There is a very little if no game play variation which is frustrating.
The trade skills are the most fun about this game, but I screwed up my trade skills on my main toon, so I just canceled my account and havent been playing any mmos.
The final note is, great player base, good UK player base, no current PVP, needs to be played with friends to be fun.
I found EQ2's community to be the worse!
Noone in game talks to eachother
Towns are empty and everyone sbusy doing their own thing and don't help
People don't listen to ideas you have like perma damage, they just flame you
I found the community to be a bunch of moody *******
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The fact someone this nutty hates the EQ2 community should say it all.
scaramoosh, no offense but you may have gotten flamed because you don't type/speak coherently.
I've been on EQ2 pretty much since release, and I have to say i've always found the comunity very friendly. I have a station pass and occasionally pop on to SWG, and you do tend to notice a difference in the maturity levels of some of the players.
They have also added a lot of content since release. And the upcoming expansion looks like it's going to add a load of new features. Currently still really enjoying the EQ2 experience.
This comming from someone who once replied to me in a post, and I quote verbadim here"
"Get back in the kitchen *****"
Anyways, that should give you an idea towards his personality and why he probably was received so poorly in the first place.
Just like any game, EQ2 has it's wonderful people and it's bad people. I've been lucky and I've met mostly wonderful people, I openly try to make sure I help new players as often as humanly possible, so does most of my guild and many others that I know of. Many many people devote lots of time to the community and honestly I've yet to see that kind of behavior from WoW. I'm not saying it's not there, I just didn't see it when I tried the game out.
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Same Shae, while I got bored with the game it's self. I quickly was able to make friends, and had several high level friends giveing me hand-me-down equipment pre "attune" narf. ect.. ect.. people who are loud, obnoxous and feel entitled to help will be rejected very quickly.
The "attune" nerf is probbaly the biggest reason I quit to begin with, this made it so I couldnt get hand-me-down equipment or sell the equipment I blew all my gold on, when they started jacking the prices on the allready over-priced equipment I realized I would have to either grind for gold or e-bay gold, neither of which I was willing to do.
The paladin horse nerf didn't help either, I just had no real will to play after haveing my pocket book nerfed and then SOE broke my horises legs.
I suppose this wouldn't of been such a big problem if i hadent of screwed up my characters trade skill class, but all and all, the modifacations were not really justafied
I enjoyed EQ2 initially especially the crafting end of it, but they kept changing the game and (in my opinion) making crafting easier and easier...but at the same time you had to stand in you room for hours to sell anything on their brokerage. After noticing there was no influx of new users, and the towns were empty I decided to move on.
I haven't played for awhile so I can't say what changes have been made. I did enjoy some of it though.
I've been playing Wow for a bit and enjoying it. I haven't found the kiddie community you're reffering to yet (atleast no more than any other game). I agree that the crafting isn't as robust, but atleast the have a Auction house type thing and there is some dependancy between crafters and gatherers.
EQ was by far the worst MMORPG I have ever played, might as well play EQ 1, at least there people will talk to you. The gameplay sucks, there is no pvp, no reason to get in depth character to character interaction. I found no reason to stay past level 25 because I was doing the same thing... killing monsters... and paying to do it. Quests sucked...
There were 2 fun moments too bad the rest of the game could not be as fun.
1. The Water near newbie island, however WoWs water levels are more fun.
2. The other was always having a group being the best healer type in the game, templar - however the funny thing was, It did'nt matter because I could not be any different than any other templar in the game except for the race I was....
Sorry... no customization except for favored enemy type... and then a few stats... they try to give the game alot of customization but its only 2 choices... instead of 10+ like world of warcraft gives..
but hey I hate WoW too.
People think it's fun to pretend your a monster. Me I spend my life pretending I'm not. - Dexter Morgan
What games(s) don't you hate?
by your post I would say eq 2 is the game for u its a fairyland for fairies
pvp isnt a problem a very friendly place for fairies
on the other hand if you want heart pounding palm sweating knee knocking excitment look elsewhere
EQ2 mundane is the password boredom is the outcome
i promtly tossed my copy of it in the garbage after 1 week
without the dreaded open pvp the thrills are gone
the reds in the bushes puts the heart pounding fun into a game especially if you can loose your new shiny equipment in the process
EQ,asheron, amount to a monster squat in fairyland
where mundane is the password and boredom the outcome
by your original post I would say just what you need
I used to play EQ2, and one thing I will agree on is the character customization, in EQ2 you are basically the same as anyone else, regardless of your equipment. All of those options to change your characters face really dont do anything, they would have been better off making a lot of different armor/helmets etc for us to customize ourselves with, instead of adjusting your eyebrow height, which is something you really dont notice.
I remember at level 24 (Ranger) i had just gotten 3 or 4 stones that sell for a lot (Rough Coral? i think, cant remember) and I sold them for a lot of gold. So i went looking though the bazaar and found the best dagger I could possibly use at my level, a pristine imbued dagger. It had good stats and on a successful hit, had a 5% chance to hit the target with gleaming strike. What a waste of money! It hardly ever hit with gleaming strike, and when it did, it really didnt help me out at all. The damage was minimal, even though the dagger was orange to me. I was better off just kiting, And of course, after I attuned the horridly overpriced dagger, I couldnt sell it.
EQ2 was fun for me for about 2 months, then it just felt like work. However I couldnt bring myself to log back into WoW after 2 weeks. I hope everyone playing EQ2 and WoW has fun, because in the end that's all that matters.
Oh goody now its trolling here...GO AWAY CEARA. We know you dont like PvE games, now GET OVER IT.
It's best to just pretend stupid people arent there, and they will go away. Giving them attention, even negative attention, is just playing to their disorder.
kind of like pretending eq2 is fun and playing for months on end
its not just a question that i like pvp or pve for that matter its more the fact that a boring game is a boring game some people will stick with eq2 if for no other reason to attain a high level and prance around like they are somebody
king of the fairies is still a fairy to me
asheron eq ac2 eq2 all the same a big fairyland for those who are fairies and get excited over attaining a level after endless monster squating
sqauting fairies will like them
i managed to reach level 93 in ac but looking back it was the most wasted time of my life
thrills nonexistant
squating on monster spawns abundant
a fairyland for fairies that cant seem to get the courage to try some games that offer excitement and fun
oops those games are fun for awhile but quickly it becomes apparent that they are no more then an ill designed exercise to gather all the fairies into one big fairyland
You're seriously 25? I expect at least reasonable logic and writing skills from a 25 year old but I guess I was wrong. Thanks for further lowering the standards for human beings Ceara.
What I find funny is that this statement is in every one of Ceara's posts, including the ones on the Vanguard forums. And it usually appears multiple times in one post as well.
Ceara, I think if you are going to troll, at least try to experiment with new flames. You're not very imaginative
The world needs ditch diggers too. Just imagine if there werent any sub-human types like him around, and you had people with the mental capacity of a aeronautical engineer or a brain surgeon mopping floors and cleaning toilets. It would suck. Lets hear a big HORA! For stupid people every where.
Quick question...
What else would be in fairland other than fairies? Isn't that why they call it fairyland?
okay that was 2 questions.
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