Will this solve my SWG NGE anguish?

MorpheusMJW · November 2011

Hello all,

I have deliberately avoided this game till now as I try not to get overhyped about a game (dead island being my last culprit), but I am looking for some unbiased information regarding this game.

I played SWG, pre NGE and it is still the best game I have played. I wondered how many of the features in SWG would be in SWTOR, such as player housing, crafting unique items, ability to tame anything ingame, socialness of cantinas.

I have been living under a rock in regards to MMOs for the past 6 months and don't want to read reviews or look on youtube (tend to be fanboys or heavily influenced by money) and MMORPG has always been a place to tell it to me straight.

Will the SWTOR compare to SWG pre NGE?

TL;DR : Played SWG, does SWTOR compare to it?

Kaerigan · November 2011

*waves hand* This is not the game you're looking for.

Kyleran · November 2011

Other than the IP I'd say this title bears little resemblence to SWG, so most likely this won't be the game for you.

AzurePrower · November 2011

Originally posted by Kaerigan
*waves hand* This is not the game you're looking for.

This.

SW:TOR is in no way, shape or form a sand box.

vladww · November 2011

No,

This is more like a theme park adventure game you play for 1 month then switch to another theme park,

then switch to another theme park, etc..

Zenjinx · November 2011

Op did not ask if it was a sandbox.

I played SWG precu/nge. SWTOR definately has a Star Wars feel to it. It won't be very similar to SWG in alot of ways, but it will be similar in other ways.

Ignore the people telling you to not try it. Only you can decide if it is where you want to be. I have a bunch of SWG friends who will be playing it.

Kyleran · November 2011

Originally posted by Zenjinx
Op did not ask if it was a sandbox.

I played SWG precu/nge. SWTOR definately has a Star Wars feel to it. It won't be very similar to SWG in alot of ways, but it will be similar in other ways.

Ignore the people telling you to not try it. Only you can decide if it is where you want to be. I have a bunch of SWG friends who will be playing it.

OP asked how it compared to SWG, and that Star Wars feel you speak of is strictly from the IP, the game mechanics are vastly different on many levels.

Fact is, SWG pre NGE is considered one of the premire sandbox titles, so it is valid to warn the OP away from it unless he's looking for a standard theme park MMORPG with a few twists thrown in.

MorpheusMJW · November 2011

I understand this is a themepark and I want to give this game an open minded a chance as possible. Everyone knows nothing will be as good as your first mmo, I don't want to be a bitter vet and want to enjoy another star wars mmo.

Beginning to understand they are very seperate games, but wanted to know things like.

- Is there much emphasis on non-combat activities? (crafting, cantinas, exploring)

- Is there much chance to socialise? (Aka, not constant powerleveling to max level then going dungeons)

- Is this game gear based?

- How is the PvP? (or hopefully faction vs faction)

Thanks for the responses so far.

Zenjinx · November 2011

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Op did not ask if it was a sandbox.

I played SWG precu/nge. SWTOR definately has a Star Wars feel to it. It won't be very similar to SWG in alot of ways, but it will be similar in other ways.

Ignore the people telling you to not try it. Only you can decide if it is where you want to be. I have a bunch of SWG friends who will be playing it.

OP asked how it compared to SWG, and that Star Wars feel you speak of is strictly from the IP, the game mechanics are vastly different on many levels.

Fact is, SWG pre NGE is considered one of the premire sandbox titles, so it is valid to warn the OP away from it unless he's looking for a standard theme park MMORPG with a few twists thrown in.

Having played SWG pre CU/NGE, I am quite aware of what the game was. Thank you though for stating the obvious to me. The OP was looking for features. He did not ask if it was a sandbox. That is why I said so. Thus the reason why saying "it is not a sandbox" tells the OP very little. Get it?

I provided a feel comparison, because the NDA does not allow feature comparison.

Next time provide insight, instead of responding to something without thinking.

AzurePrower · November 2011

Originally posted by MorpheusMJW
I understand this is a themepark and I want to give this game an open minded a chance as possible. Everyone knows nothing will be as good as your first mmo, I don't want to be a bitter vet and want to enjoy another star wars mmo.
Beginning to understand they are very seperate games, but wanted to know things like.
- Is there much emphasis on non-combat activities? (crafting, cantinas, exploring)
- Is there much chance to socialise? (Aka, not constant powerleveling to max level then going dungeons)
- Is this game gear based?
- How is the PvP? (or hopefully faction vs faction)

Thanks for the responses so far.

Crafting seems standard. Nothing special other than your campanions can craft for you.

There are social hubs.

There are neat things you can find while exploring.

The game is mostly gear based.

PVP is your 3 instanced warzones, standard open world pvp along with an entire zone dedicated as an open world PVP warzone.

That's pretty much all I know.

Think this video pretty much sums it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIYGYeymuQc

Zenjinx · November 2011

Originally posted by MorpheusMJW
I understand this is a themepark and I want to give this game an open minded a chance as possible. Everyone knows nothing will be as good as your first mmo, I don't want to be a bitter vet and want to enjoy another star wars mmo.

Beginning to understand they are very seperate games, but wanted to know things like.

- Is there much emphasis on non-combat activities? (crafting, cantinas, exploring)

- Is there much chance to socialise? (Aka, not constant powerleveling to max level then going dungeons)

- Is this game gear based?

- How is the PvP? (or hopefully faction vs faction)

Thanks for the responses so far.

I can't answer any of that directly. However, I will suggest you at least try it when it comes out. I think you will enjoy it. This is my opinion of course, so ultimately it is up to you.

Also, some of the information you want is out there.

VirusDancer · November 2011

Originally posted by Zenjinx
Op did not ask if it was a sandbox.

I played SWG precu/nge. SWTOR definately has a Star Wars feel to it. It won't be very similar to SWG in alot of ways, but it will be similar in other ways.

Ignore the people telling you to not try it. Only you can decide if it is where you want to be. I have a bunch of SWG friends who will be playing it.

Actually, the OP did ask that by asking about the relationship of SWTOR to pre-NGE SWG. Pre-NGE SWG is often listed as a top sandbox by many players.

There were things that you could do in pre-NGE SWG that you were not able to do in games before it and you have not been able to do in games since it.

Instead of misleading the OP about what SWTOR does not have - but saying that it has the Star Wars feel to it, so try it - it might be best to think about the feel pre-NGE SWG had as a game . . . which SWTOR is not going to have, so on that basis - this is not the game you're looking for as others have said.

If the OP were just looking for a SW game, they would not have asked if it would fill that pre-NGE SWG void.

MMOSareDEAD · November 2011

TOR is just like WoW, with a couple cool added extra features. Sadly it's nothing like SWG.

Volkmar · November 2011

Originally posted by MorpheusMJW
I understand this is a themepark and I want to give this game an open minded a chance as possible. Everyone knows nothing will be as good as your first mmo, I don't want to be a bitter vet and want to enjoy another star wars mmo.

Beginning to understand they are very seperate games, but wanted to know things like.

- Is there much emphasis on non-combat activities? (crafting, cantinas, exploring)

- Is there much chance to socialise? (Aka, not constant powerleveling to max level then going dungeons)

- Is this game gear based?

- How is the PvP? (or hopefully faction vs faction)

Thanks for the responses so far.

Keep in mind the NDA is still going, so nobody can answer to you with anything but opinions or short experiences at Conventions (NDA being still ON 1 month before release is a giant Red Flag in my book, and I pre-ordered 2 collector's and looking forward to this game a lot)

This game is very similar to WoW, with some unique twists and additions that (hopefully) will make it unique.

1) non-combat activities: there is crafting, but it is nowhere near what SWG had. You can even automate crafting by sending your companions to do the gathering for you if you like, but you can also gather in the wilds. As for exploring, it is unclear. There have been some reports of big open worlds out there, but not what you can find or do in such big open world.

No talks of Cantinas has been met. I think they will be mostly desert, if they exist as there is no need to go there.

2) Mixed bag: The game is very solo friendly, but has some group content and there are social points granted if you are in group, but this will prolly go the WoW road, so expect socializing in your guild/group of friend only (BONUS: you can talk to the other faction, if they do not remove this feature before launch of course)

3)Come on. it is a level-based game, what do you think?? Of course gear is important.

Corollary: used to be that the devs talked about the modding system and it was understood to work like this: you can mod your old gear with new mods to keep it more or less current, so that you could go in dungeons clothed like what you like, but recently there has been some controvery on this and it is not clear if the system exists at all and if it does exist, to what extent.

4)PvP is Faction based. So far they have shown a couple scenarios, basically instanced places with objectives, like WoW or WAR had, but there has been also talk of some planets being open world pvp. I've not seen much of this later part though, so take it as you like.

Zenjinx · November 2011

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Op did not ask if it was a sandbox.

I played SWG precu/nge. SWTOR definately has a Star Wars feel to it. It won't be very similar to SWG in alot of ways, but it will be similar in other ways.

Ignore the people telling you to not try it. Only you can decide if it is where you want to be. I have a bunch of SWG friends who will be playing it.

Actually, the OP did ask that by asking about the relationship of SWTOR to pre-NGE SWG. Pre-NGE SWG is often listed as a top sandbox by many players.

There were things that you could do in pre-NGE SWG that you were not able to do in games before it and you have not been able to do in games since it.

Instead of misleading the OP about what SWTOR does not have - but saying that it has the Star Wars feel to it, so try it - it might be best to think about the feel pre-NGE SWG had as a game . . . which SWTOR is not going to have, so on that basis - this is not the game you're looking for as others have said.

If the OP were just looking for a SW game, they would not have asked if it would fill that pre-NGE SWG void.

You and the other "put words in someone elses mouth" poster are funny. Reading comprehension is low here today.

Because of the NDA, the OPs questions are difficult to answer directly. Thus, I provide a feel comparison. I played SWG for a long time. I qualified my opinion with that. I stated he would probably enjoy the game. My reasoning : I enjoyed SWG, I enjoyed SWTOR beta. They both have similar feel mainly because it is Star Wars.

Telling the OP "it's not a sandbox, it's not the game for you" says very little. Considering the wide definition of sandbox. It provides no insight into the questio he is asking.

Please read what the OP title says.

VirusDancer · November 2011

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Op did not ask if it was a sandbox.

I played SWG precu/nge. SWTOR definately has a Star Wars feel to it. It won't be very similar to SWG in alot of ways, but it will be similar in other ways.

Ignore the people telling you to not try it. Only you can decide if it is where you want to be. I have a bunch of SWG friends who will be playing it.

Actually, the OP did ask that by asking about the relationship of SWTOR to pre-NGE SWG. Pre-NGE SWG is often listed as a top sandbox by many players.

There were things that you could do in pre-NGE SWG that you were not able to do in games before it and you have not been able to do in games since it.

Instead of misleading the OP about what SWTOR does not have - but saying that it has the Star Wars feel to it, so try it - it might be best to think about the feel pre-NGE SWG had as a game . . . which SWTOR is not going to have, so on that basis - this is not the game you're looking for as others have said.

If the OP were just looking for a SW game, they would not have asked if it would fill that pre-NGE SWG void.

You and the other "put words in someone elses mouth" poster are funny. Reading comprehension is low here today.

Because of the NDA, the OPs questions are difficult to answer directly. Thus, I provide a feel comparison. I played SWG for a long time. I qualified my opinion with that. I stated he would probably enjoy the game. My reasoning : I enjoyed SWG, I enjoyed SWTOR beta. They both have similar feel mainly because it is Star Wars.

Telling the OP "it's not a sandbox, it's not the game for you" says very little. Considering the wide definition of sandbox. It provides no insight into the questio he is asking.

Please read what the OP title says.

Will this solve my SWG NGE anguish?

Is the OP's title.

The OP did not ask Will this sate my desire to play a Star Wars game with SWG closing up?

So yes... please read what the OP title says before complaining about the reading comprehension of others.

None of the information released for SWTOR in any way would offer any of the feel of SWG pre-NGE. No game before did. No game since has.

Does not mean that SWTOR will not be a great game. Does not mean that SW fans will not love it.

SWTOR is not going to be anything like pre-NGE SWG...in regard to what made pre-NGE SWG pre-NGE SWG.

It is fruitless to compare the two games.

Since the OP did not come here stating that he likes Star Wars, will there be any Star Wars in SWTOR . . . stating that there is SW in both games means little when talking about pre-NGE SWG.

Zenjinx · November 2011

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by VirusDancer

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Please read what the OP title says.

Will this solve my SWG NGE anguish?

Is the OP's title.

The OP did not ask Will this sate my desire to play a Star Wars game with SWG closing up?

So yes... please read what the OP title says before complaining about the reading comprehension of others.

None of the information released for SWTOR in any way would offer any of the feel of SWG pre-NGE. No game before did. No game since has.

Does not mean that SWTOR will not be a great game. Does not mean that SW fans will not love it.

SWTOR is not going to be anything like pre-NGE SWG...in regard to what made pre-NGE SWG pre-NGE SWG.

It is fruitless to compare the two games.

Since the OP did not come here stating that he likes Star Wars, will there be any Star Wars in SWTOR . . . stating that there is SW in both games means little when talking about pre-NGE SWG.

Some of the features he mentioned, persisted after the NGE. You should really think before you post. Think before you assume., and don't put your words in others mouth.

Your opinion is only an opinion. My opinion is the opposite, though just an opinion as well. I did have a similar feel when I played SWTOR. You can disagree if you like. I am fully aware of SWG just in case you forget again. I know what it was like to play the game. I know about the many faults of the game, and I know of it's virtues as well.

You, me, or anyone else cannot say for sure how someone will feel about a game, but if someone asks will it solve NGE anguish( which is open for interpretation), and I think it means "overall game experience", I will repsond as such.

Again, stating "it's not a sandbox, it's not SWG, it's not the game for you" does not help the OP or provide the insight he is requiring. Now please go argue with someone else.

arieste · November 2011

I was just in beta. I obviously cannot give specifics.

however, to answer the question:

Firstly, no, it absolutely WILL NOT make up for the lack of SWG. It's not similar in any way whatsoever other than both games have cool crafting - but even that is completely different - it's cool, but in different ways.

However, I'd like to point out that despite its many many many many shortcomings, the fact that it actually IS A STAR WARS GAME (!) makes for many of them. One may absolutely hate the combat, but the fact that you're still stabbing things with a double-sides lightsaber makes up for it. One may find the storyline to be contrived and nonsensical, but the fact that you actually ARE a jedi and you actually ARE on Coruscant makes up for it.

The power of the IP is strong with this one.

So if a big reason of why you liked SWG was because it was Star Wars, you should check out TOR - just don't expect a similar experience.

If the big reason why you liked SWG was because of how the game was designed, look elsewhere, TOR is nothing like, nor will ever be (that's simply not the direction bioware has chosen)

MyGarona · November 2011

Every other MMO I've tried is sword and bored. At least this is Star Wars.

Of course there are the hero games if you're into them. But I digress.

TOR is nothing like pre-NGE SWG. Those good old sandbox days are, sadly, gone. There will always be RP to be had if you like that. I can say it's a lot of fun and taken for what it's supposed to be - a KOTOR type theme park - I can't wait for the live launch.

arieste · November 2011

Originally posted by MyGarona

Every other MMO I've tried is sword and bored.

Just so you don't get disappointed later.. about 90% of players and NPCs do actually have a sword (or other bladed melee weapon) in TOR.

quentin405 · November 2011

Originally posted by arieste

Originally posted by MyGarona

Every other MMO I've tried is sword and bored.

Just so you don't get disappointed later.. about 90% of players and NPCs do actually have a sword (or other bladed melee weapon) in TOR.

LOL no. The most completely false statement I have read in several days..

/golfclap

arieste · November 2011

Originally posted by quentin405

Originally posted by arieste

Originally posted by MyGarona

Every other MMO I've tried is sword and bored.

Just so you don't get disappointed later.. about 90% of players and NPCs do actually have a sword (or other bladed melee weapon) in TOR.

LOL no. The most completely false statement I have read in several days..

/golfclap

well, i guess i should append that with "from what i've seen", which is not the entire game. i also assume that if you start out in a trooper area and all you see are troopers, they probably all have guns.

stragen001 · November 2011

Bioware stated a long time ago that TOR is not SWG2

IronArrow · November 2011

SWTOR is nothing like SWG but then again SWG was not like what fans remember it.

Zenjinx · November 2011

Originally posted by IronArrow
SWG was not like what fans remember it.

I agree with this. I remember it well though, and with an unbiased opinion. Sure we had great times, fun things to do, etc. but there were a tonne of issues with SWG vanilla.

quentin405 · November 2011

Originally posted by arieste

Originally posted by quentin405

Originally posted by arieste

Originally posted by MyGarona

Every other MMO I've tried is sword and bored.

Just so you don't get disappointed later.. about 90% of players and NPCs do actually have a sword (or other bladed melee weapon) in TOR.

LOL no. The most completely false statement I have read in several days..

/golfclap

well, i guess i should append that with "from what i've seen", which is not the entire game. i also assume that if you start out in a trooper area and all you see are troopers, they probably all have guns.

Well, Im just going to go ahead and say you havent even played, therefore you have not seen anything. Because those who dont use guns, use lightsabers. So I have to call you out on your statement of 90% of players and npcs use swords (or bladed weapons).. Because well lightsabers arent bladed weapons. And npcs use quite diverse weaponry models. Its just a simple lie. Go try and troll somewhere that people dont know what they are talking about lol

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