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maskedweasel
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At the time of this post there are over 16K keys left on MMORPG.com, still quite a few keys left for subscribers on IGN, and I'm sure plenty of other SWTOR keys out there for those interested in playing.
Yet we still have some people out there who just have no clue about this game, still trying to spread misinformation, theres just no reason for it anymore. Now more than ever complainers are showing their stripes. The least they could do is play the game they are hating on.. not that it would stop them, but it would likely get them off the forums for a few hours.
This is about as good of an open beta as we're going to see, and on top of the testing e-mails that have gone out which has been in the thousands we also have multiple thousands of keys, so for all those who had any questions, doubts, jawas, now is your time to grab one. (a key not a jawa)
On top of that, theres no excuse..... to keep the NDA up after next weeekend. We'll be just about a little under a month away at that point to launch...and most people would have tried it that wanted to try it.
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just one question...
i finally managed to redeem my key ( server was busy ) but now how do i really test the game ? where do i go to download the client ? or must i wait for an e-mail ? [ got my key merged to the account yesterday ]
many thanks
The keys that people are getting are for an as yet un-announced test weekend.
In short, you got a key, you can't use it yet.
They will send you an email about when you can start the beta. It will probably just be a beta weekend for stress testing purposes, No news about when it will be, but probably next weekend or the weekend of dec 3.
First thing you need to do is redeem your key on the SWTOR website. Just create an account there to do it. If you've already done that, then it's just a waiting game from there. Your key isn't for immediate testing, it's for an upcoming beta weekend event which will happen in a couple of weeks (If I had to guess, it would be November 25th because Bioware stated it would be later this month). When it is announced, you will be able to log into your account and download the beta client. They usually do this 3-4 days before the actual event to give people enough time to download the client (it's a big download). So if the event is on the 25th, they might let you download the client around the 21st or 22nd (Monday or Tuesday). They may send an email to let you know when this is happening and give you instructions, but don't depend on that because sometimes the only way to find out is going to their site. Just head to http://www.swtor.com/tester to periodically check your testing status. When you are able to download the client, it will have a button to click for you to do it.
Again, the testing will only be for that upcoming weekend, so even when they let you download, you won't be able to play right away until that Friday.
Haters gonna hate. Just wait till launch day when their voices will be drowned out by the millions of people that are playing the game and loving it.
Those few extremely vocal people will not be able to spread their misinformation. I really wish NDA was lifted so those of us in beta could respond to some of the worst offenders, but it doesn't really matter. One month until release and we will see what happens.
Some people will never like this style of game, which is fine, but ultimately those people aren't going to matter to us very much when everyone can play the final product and decide for themselves. Some will hate it but I suspect most will love it. The point is we will all be making our own decisions soon. The product will speak for itself (for better or worse).
Edit: I'd also like to add that some of the latest misinformation I've seen has been absolutely hillarious. Claims like "no open world pvp" or "this is just a single player instanced game" I've seen in many posts can be disputed without even playing the game or breaking NDA. People are making statements about game systems that Bioware openly discusses! Very entertaining stuff.
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mor elike amillion people plus willg et to test the next testign weeking i hope they keep it up more than a few days tho O_o
Or maybe you need to wise up to the fact that this game isn't as big you thought it would be?
It might be YOUR world but that doesn't make it everyone else's world.
Your post is unbelievably arrogant.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
Isn't it funny how people who call other people "unbelievably arrogant" just come off as being unbelievably arrogant? Of course it might be in the tone they use, but . . . well, it is just something I have noticed.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I agree with OP. I think they should stop the NDA right now, at the moment it is hurting the game more than helping it.
The NDA is useful in alphas and long closed beta where the games are in bad shape and is getting patched up for a long time before release. You don't want people complaining about how unfinnished an unfinnished game is, that is just bad.
But for a game more or less done with loads of testers, it is 100% pointless and more harmful than useful, unless the game is a bug feast and you plan to sell more life time accounts before launch (*cough* STO *cough*).
Wow had no NDA whatsoever before launch and it turned out pretty fine.
Im still active in wow but iam pulling my hair out atm, WoW is a shell of emptyness comapred to TBC/WotLK era's.
I bashed SW a few times here on the forums, and i dont see tons of info iam looking for.
The NDA is telling me SW has something to hide instead of bursting info on the net about how good it is.
So yes im in doubt to buy it, signed up for the Beta to check it myself.
Hope to test it out before i might or not buy the game.
It all depends on their PvP, i don tlike to pve , so it needs to contain thrilling pvp combat
Doesent matter what happens, haters will hate because that's what they do. It's what they want. Though they are often big turncoats, I knew a couple of guys when WoW was quite fresh, they hated their guts out on WoW and made sure to point out how horrible it was at every turn possible, untill they tried it. Then they were HC fanboys and bashed the haters at every turn. Untill they quit a couple of years later. Then they hated the game again and now with experience since they understood all the mechanics and stuff better.
What can you say or do...? Them haters... /sigh
I agree with the OP on both points
Anyone who even has a inkly of want to play the game should pick up a key, there is plenty enough so it's not like there is a shortage. Also before anyone quotes game size should know that memory is dirt cheap to get if you get it off of things like amazon or places like that, so the size of one game shouldn't be an issue. The only issue i see is connection speed as some don't live in areas with great connection.
But seriously this is as close to an open beta you can get. It's basically grab a key, put it in, make an account and your in. This isn't even random. Once you click to grab a key and get the number your basically in for the next weekend.
This also makes the NDA pretty pointless as there is going to be a whole horde of people playing it. The basic point of an NDA is to keep the game under lock and key until you get all the features set in stone and don't plan to change them and as long as Bioware doesn't have plans to change core features (i hope not with less then a month left until release) that just leaves bugs. Unless teh game is still a bug ridden mess (i have my thoughts on this but again...NDA) theres no reason. No MMO is going to be able to snipe them in this short of time and have the same affect. Games can try and squeeze out an exapansion but then it wouldn't be to the same polish or degree as someone who has been working on it for a whole lot longer.
In short, if you want to know about the game and how it plays pick up a key. It doesn't cost you anything but time and memory. Otherwise the game is free to play for a weekend, so you can get a direct feel for the game instead of watching a video and try and get a feel for if you will like it.
Also i think after this next beta weekend the NDA is pointless. theres about 29 days left as per my timer until the early access hits and nearly everyone who wants to play the game will have played it by then, so there isn't really anything your going to hide, and it's better right now to get it out in the open and let people give their opinions.
The only thing i can figure the NDA is for now is because they haven't finished bug testing. All the actual features should be pretty much set in stone and info already released on them, and no MMO is going to come in and crash TOR's party by sniping them. Every game either already has an expansion (MOP) or isn't due to come out in a long while (all the other up-coming games), and they aren't going to be able to think something up to steal TOR thunder now a little less then a month from launch.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
If it weren't for the NDA I'd tell you why the NDA is still up.
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I have little doubt the NDA will remain in effect for the last testing weekend. It is a safe bet that will probably be within a couple of weeks of launch anyways.
I have not looked at this site's number of codes, as I have been invited already through normal means, but I can tell you that more then likely the reason the codes are not gone yet is because there are so many available. Not to mention most of the people who were interested enough in the game to sign up for beta were already invited for the last weekend. I know they gave Curse 175k keys alone and thats just one site out of many. They are clearly going to have a stress test weekend with nearly a million people, if not more, accepted into it.
Yes, the game is as big as it is being made out to be regardless of if you like it or not.
I can only speak for myself, but I made a concious decision to not beta test SWTOR.
I want to go into this game with no prior info/spoilers.
And I expect I am not the only one.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
The difference between long-time betas and week-end playing: you can't help but like playing a game for one weekend. It's nearly impossible to see many flaws (unless the whole concept is flawed) in such short timeframe.
Long-time betas, on the other hand, have lots of time not only to see the game through deeper, but also have time to "burn out" on first impression and see less-obvious flaws.
Therefore, it makes sense to not lif NDA for long-time beta-testers.
As for playing the game myself, I kind of don't feel any serious rush to do it. First of all, I want to play it in style, taking it slow, without hurry. But secondly, somehow I just don't feel like downloading and playing. I wonder if I'm burning out on games whatsoever. But what's there to replace it? I did "real life" for a time - you burn out on this sh!t even faster.
If I understand correctly, these keys are for a future beta event, so no, they don't answer people's questions about the game.
2nd, for a person like myself, I don't play betas, just don't enjoy them, I prefer to play the released game at launch, so your suggestion is not a solution for me.
Finally, all they have to do is drop the NDA and let people speak their minds, because I'm looking for the opinions of people who I consider to have similar gaming tastes as myself as I value them more than those of others.
Sure, someday I'm most likely going to play this game, but when will depend largely on the feedback I read and right now, I feel honest feedback is locked up in a straight jacket.
And please, don't tell me to go look at the videos, I don't do that either.
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I heard that Bioware has sent emails to everyone who signed up as interested in the game. The next beta event is expected to be huge. All the keys floating out there are extras for all the people who haven't really expressed an interest in the game. The people who haven't played or don't have a key don't want one. They don't want to know about what the game offers.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
To the OP...
Part of the issue is the size of the client download. Once the size of a MMO client exceeds 5 or 6 Gb the number of Players that can d/l begins to drop... because contrary to popular belief, the Internet systems in the US are not that good once you get outside of major Metro areas. Strike One for using up available beta keys.
Next... many see the Star Wars IP as an IP that should have only been done as a full fledged open world sandbox. The complaints about how BioWare did the Space content is just the tip of a very ugly iceberg. Those that feel that way will never appreciate SW:TOR for what it is, for it is not what they enjoy or support in a MMORPG. Personal preference and all. Strike Two.
Three: Haters love to hate, mostly because they support another MMO due to be released in near term and wish to trash other MMOs and their Players as much as possible. Human Nature at it's most predictable. Strike Three to getting everyone to beta test and form good opinions.
To Kyleran...
I don't do betas anymore either but for a slightly different reason... I tired of seeing what could become a great MMO in beta and then only to later see the same MMO after release get changed into a cash cow and ruined. I have seen this too many times. I would rather just see the cash cow and never know what a MMO could have been.
NDA's... useless in my opinion because SW:TOR's NDA has already been broken with the release of too much key information and at this point BioWare might as well cancel the NDA and go full bore with a big media push.
What the beta testers know now... I myself don't want to know what they know... they more than likely see and experience what could be a great MMO, but by the time EA and LA get done with it.... well, we shall all witness it I am sure. Best left right there for now.
People do have a clue about this game, the issue is a lot of people are not really interested in another wow clone, people have had enough of WoW and other games trying to get a piece of the action, people want innovation, SWoR does not have any innovation, its the same old same old, again and again.
The only rule of Fight Club is don't talk about fight club.
Completely wrong. I wont' pull a definition unless i feel it's warrented, as i'll just assume you're aware of what the definition is.
But that statement is flat out wrong.
The dialog wheel is innovation.
That is at least one innovation right there, you'll have to show me a game that works questing like that. i'll give you a few minutes.
and by game i mean MMO. otherwise if we use games in general none of the upcoming MMOs have any innovation.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Actually, I do relate to your reasoning. I recall back in WOW playing a Druid during beta, and the class was pretty poor, while a good friend played a Pally and told me how awesome they were.
So at launch we both created Paladins but Blizz had nerfed the class significantly and it was not nearly as much fun to play as it had been. Post launch I ended up playing a Druid (eventually) and it was probably my favorite class out of all of them.
So much can change between the beta experience and launch that I prefer to wait until after launch and enjoy the game as released without any notions of what might have been.
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You aren't the only one - I am doing exactly the same and for exactly the same reasons.
I want it to be a new experience, take in as little info as possible (within reason) and no spoilers if I can.
I am ignoring the fanboys and haters alike, if I enjoy the game then to me it's a good game. It's my money, my time, my business.
That's the problem, I've said it before, it's going to be a good game, an OK game for some (not everyone), it's not the second coming, the arrogance goes beyond the fans as well, it comes from Bioware with some of the stuff they blurt out. Like they are completely put out that you might not play it.
For this to be good for me it would have to be exactly like kotor with ME 2 graphics, not go kill ten "x" and they fetch 20 "y".
There is a reason Skyrim, Mass Effect, original kotor games and so on Totally Rock, it's you and the world. Not you and bunch of people jumping around like bunny rabbits. There is a reason a good mmo is a good mmo.
The two don't mix and AoC is the prime example. Two sides to that playerbase: Some wanted it to be all single player story voice acting, the rest wanted the mmo.
You can't get the quality of story and questing of a single player game in an mmo.