SW:TOR Without a doubt will be the big hitter of 2012. I had my doubts but after playing beta, it is even better than I thought.
I think Trion and Rift will slowly increase in subs as more and more people get tired of WoW's MoP (Mists of Pandora) which should stand for March of the Panda to show the Westerner's marching out the door.
Secret World and GW2 will garner some respect with their release and probably after release but I have a feeling GW2 will be like Skyrim, LOTS of people buying but after they beat it a few times, moving on. Eventually coming back to it occasionally much like GW1, and Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind.
If Bioware takes an active approach to updates and fixes like Trion, SW:TOR will be even a bigger hit than people expect.
After the success of Skyrim and the eventual decline of interest in the Fallout MMO, Skyrim will either create an online mod to allow multi-player much like the original Neverwinter Nights made by SSI on their AOL servers and later picked up by Bioware for their rehash which is technically one of the very first MMO's, look it up!
Just my predictions and I am probably wrong, but who knows, none of us can see the future, execpt SW:TOR will be HUGE!
Edit: A Fallout MMO will be amazing if done correctly, I just don't have much faith in who was chosen to make it.
What do you think? what is going to be the top-notch MMO in 2012? Do you think it is going to be one of upcoming MMORPGs or a continuous popularity for one of the existing MMOs?
#4GW2 This game carries a lot of controversey as to what is good and what is not.This narrator is definitely 100% biased,he simply cannot see or just does not achknowledge the down side of the exact ideas he is hyping.There is a definite bad side to everyone of the 10 reasons.I will use one example...He talks about f2p and quality and talks about EPic scaled objects.Well GW does not have useable buildings they have no insides,so no they do not carry the same quality as paid games that spend a lot of time making buildings useable.That one picture was a Guild Hall picture,nothing but a pre zone in picture.
Without sounding too biased, Guild Wars 2 does have insides to buildings now just as some other MMORPG's. Guild Wars (original) does not, but Guild Wars 2 will have taverns, shops, houses, tombs, etc. to go inside and explore.
That user is on a continuous Don Quixote-like crusade against the game. One day he will lay that windmill LOW!
In other words, don't worry about being biased. The guy your responding to is biased with astounding conviction.
In 2012... It's all about SWTOR! And SWTOR will continue to be king for quite a while. Wow will have a major drop in subscribers the first 6 months SWTOR is out and then continue to die off from there. GW2 will have a pretty decent start with an increase for 3 months, then a decline and level out at around 1.2 million.
So at the end of 2012 this is what I see:
SWTOR: 6.1 million players
Wow: 5.3 million players
GW2: 1.2 million players
All others are not worth mentioning. I barely mentioned GW2 just to humor myself!
I am hoping that it will be Darkfall 2.0 . ... lol
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In all truth, stating who will be top in 2012 isn't going to mean much due tot he release times. I wouldn't look at any statistic seriously unless it was 2013+ when all the "new mmo hype" has subsided and the true life of the MMO can be judged.
My guess is that GW2, SWToR and WoW will all be competing for the top spot.
I think that GW2 and (this would have been Tera till D3 and Titan possiblty ) STWOR will have it. If Archage comes over all the sandbox lovers and a few others will make it pretty freakin close. Lineage Eternal I HOPE!! Will be a bit of a contender now this is all without WoW.
With wow its proably going to still be WoW. You cant take away 10m subs in a year unless its utter shutdown. Just not to probale. Now with that said i think that its going to go around this line up.
1.WoW
2.Gw2 or SWTOR
3.what falls from 2
4.LET(lineage eternal)
5.Tera
6.Archage
7.D3
8.Torchlights (2 or 3rd?)
9. Who knows .
D3 and TL2 are simple hack and slash games there not massive multi player and not even realy full rpgs just fun for 10min in between work and lunch on your smartphone/tablet.
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I included Kingdoms of Amalur because they have stated they will turn it into a MMO and it was originally slated to be a MMO.
As far as I am aware, you have this slightly backwards.
There is an MMO in development based on the same world as Kingdoms of Amalur. It is known under the code name "Copernicus". It was always meant to be an MMO and has always been developed as such.
During development they decided to release an additional single-player RPG based on the same world in order to introduce people to the world. Thus Kingdoms of Amalur was born. The single-player RPG will be out in 2012. The MMO will not.
I could be wrong about some of this info if more has been released recently, but it was accurate as of a few months ago.
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If you mean subs...still WoW, if you mean most growth SWTOR. I think GW2 will be a great game, don't get me wrong, but they have not done enough main stream advertising imho. Not enough people even know about it to really be excited about it or know enough about it. SWTOR, on the other hand, has not even started TV adverts yet and is one of the most hyped games out there.
Not saying that SWTOR will be the best game ever, but that it will show the most growth in 2012 if it has a successful launch. I think judging by the reactions from most players that have played the beta, especially over the weekend (damn NDA breakers!), I could honestly say the only thing that could ruin the game at this point is a poor launch.
I could see GW2 growing faster then GW1, but not nearly as huge of a success as some people on these forums make it out to be.
Just to add a tid bit about TSW: I don't think this game is going to show even remote growth after launch judging by Funcom's track record and that alot of people simply don't trust them anymore.
wow will remain number 1 in terms of total players. If u are talking about number 1 new release its gonna be tor or secret world. Im still not convinced gw2 will launch in 2012
WoW will still be first in subs by a very large margin, despite people saying it is dying (predictions that have been around as long as WoW). SWTOR will still be huge and people will say it's bigger than they thought it would be / should be. GW2 will launch and sell a ton of copies and even tho it's FTP after the box purchase people will still find a reson to be pissed off.
I agree with those who say that SW:TOR will likely sell more initially, and then fall off steeply in the first few months. WoW will maintain its top spot in terms of subscribers in 2012, but it will continue to decline. GW2 will sell very well initially, and will steadily climb in numbers as people learn about the game. So...
1. WoW (downward trend)
2. GW2 (upward trend)
3. SW:TOR (downward trend)
4. Secret World
5. Rift, if it goes F2P...may trend upwards a bit, otherwise, it's going to fall
Wildcards: Copernicus, if it launches around Q4...could surpass Secret World and Rift pretty quickly. WildStar? Hard to say.
The problem with including GW2 (which admittedly you have to do) is that it can only have an upward trend, as there is no sub, so every box sold will be counted, we'll never know how many of them actually play at any given time. This is the good thing about WoW, SWTOR, etc we can at least get fairly good guesses at subs since they are publicly traded companies and we can see thier game revenues (if not subs). While NCSOFT is publically traided and we'll know how much revenue GW2 generates, it is only box sales it still gives us no indication of how many people are actually playing.
WoW's lost 2mil+ already and the general buzz since the panda expansion has been anounced hasn't been good combined that with the fact that the game is just old I couldn't say WoW.
TOR having over 1mil pre-orders already is a good sign but pre-orders in the end don't mean a lot and I am not sure how much the setting will appeal to MMO gamers, many tend to stick with the fantasy setting but if any Scifi(ish) MMO has a chance at main stream appeal it would be TOR.
GW2 is shaping up to be the most popular MMO of 2012. Offering what gamers have been asking for, doing it without a monthly fee or an item mall (Offering fluff and standard services is not an item mall to me, it's something pay to play MMO's have been doing since UO), it seems like an easy bet.
I agree with those who say that SW:TOR will likely sell more initially, and then fall off steeply in the first few months. WoW will maintain its top spot in terms of subscribers in 2012, but it will continue to decline. GW2 will sell very well initially, and will steadily climb in numbers as people learn about the game. So...
1. WoW (downward trend)
2. GW2 (upward trend)
3. SW:TOR (downward trend)
4. Secret World
5. Rift, if it goes F2P...may trend upwards a bit, otherwise, it's going to fall
Wildcards: Copernicus, if it launches around Q4...could surpass Secret World and Rift pretty quickly. WildStar? Hard to say.
The problem with including GW2 (which admittedly you have to do) is that it can only have an upward trend, as there is no sub, so every box sold will be counted, we'll never know how many of them actually play at any given time. This is the good thing about WoW, SWTOR, etc we can at least get fairly good guesses at subs since they are publicly traded companies and we can see thier game revenues (if not subs). While NCSOFT is publically traided and we'll know how much revenue GW2 generates, it is only box sales it still gives us no indication of how many people are actually playing.
Well thats the great thing about GW2, people will always play because it costs them nothing once they buy it. I still hop in to GW1 every now and then and do something with friends. Unless the game is just extremely awful most will play till bored, take a break and come back and do it all again. I mean there isn't even the mandatory item mall you get with f2p's to worry about.
GW2 and SWTOR will both reign as NO.1 of the Western MMO market due to differing payment model (B2P, P2P)
Fanboys will be shock at this new revelation of equal first, unable to comprehend this new phenomenon and jump on hating the other game until the world end
WoW will trail at No.2 with Rift, but WoW will remain no.1 in terms of international population, since GW2 and SWTOR won't have translations into Asian regions yet.
Blizzard announces Titan project officially
ArcheAge will be announce as F2P
TSW will have moderate success with ArcheAge launch in NA in the 4th quarter 2012 (hopefully) and both share as the sandbox alterative to GW2 and SWTOR, but ArcheAge will serve as a better alternative due to payment model
TERA will continue to sit in the pond despite have moderate decent game. (hopefully I'm wrong on this one, but their PR suggest otherwise)
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
World of Warcraft will still probably have the most active subscribers. My opinion on where some 2012 entries will likely end up:
SW:TOR - Will attract a number of Star Wars fans and MMO players. I predict a huge drop off in subs and subsequent drop offs in previous months. It will remain steady after a few months and likely still maintain a huge following (over 1 million subs), it's just not going to attract a lot of subscribers that already are playing WoW or became bored of it.
TSW - Depends on how well the launch goes. Funcom's reputation prevents this from vaulting up to the top of the list, and it's relatively unknown outside the MMO circle. Definitely has potiential to be a cult hit because it has several unique mechanics. If the game launches well it could see a surge in popularity and reach over 1 million subscribers, but if it launches poorly expect it to have an average level of subscribers in the 100k-200k range like other Funcom games.
Rift - Rift will get hit hard by SW:TOR and Guild Wars 2 and will continue to lose subs. Expect it to go F2P by the end of 2012 and see a huge resurgence after that. It's a great game for what it is, but again it's mostly just more of the same.
Guild Wars 2 - It's going to be huge and may actually see growth in popularity as word of mouth settles in. I don't think it will maintain nearly as many active players as World of Warcraft, but I'm definitely banking on it being a huge success.
TERA - TERA simply is being released at the poorest time possible in the West and from what I hear probably lacks content to keep a Western player base interested. Don't see this as being a major contender in 2012.
Archeage - Probably won't have a huge following, but may be a cult/niche hit like EVE.
Blade & Soul - Will probably have a decent playerbase in Asia, but not likely to do very well in the West. May not even release in 2012 in the West.
Aion - It will lose popularity in the East due to Archeage, Blade and Soul, TERA, and Guild Wars 2. Probably won't even have subscription numbers worth mentioning.
FFXIV - FFXIV is definitely making a lot of improvements, but I don't see it gaining popularity. When it goes back to charging a subscription fee expect it to be even less active and maintain well under 100k subs.
Wildstar - I don't think this is going to have any major appeal to make it a major contender in 2012.
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SW:TOR Without a doubt will be the big hitter of 2012. I had my doubts but after playing beta, it is even better than I thought.
I think Trion and Rift will slowly increase in subs as more and more people get tired of WoW's MoP (Mists of Pandora) which should stand for March of the Panda to show the Westerner's marching out the door.
Secret World and GW2 will garner some respect with their release and probably after release but I have a feeling GW2 will be like Skyrim, LOTS of people buying but after they beat it a few times, moving on. Eventually coming back to it occasionally much like GW1, and Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind.
If Bioware takes an active approach to updates and fixes like Trion, SW:TOR will be even a bigger hit than people expect.
After the success of Skyrim and the eventual decline of interest in the Fallout MMO, Skyrim will either create an online mod to allow multi-player much like the original Neverwinter Nights made by SSI on their AOL servers and later picked up by Bioware for their rehash which is technically one of the very first MMO's, look it up!
Just my predictions and I am probably wrong, but who knows, none of us can see the future, execpt SW:TOR will be HUGE!
Edit: A Fallout MMO will be amazing if done correctly, I just don't have much faith in who was chosen to make it.
That user is on a continuous Don Quixote-like crusade against the game. One day he will lay that windmill LOW!
In other words, don't worry about being biased. The guy your responding to is biased with astounding conviction.
In 2012... It's all about SWTOR! And SWTOR will continue to be king for quite a while. Wow will have a major drop in subscribers the first 6 months SWTOR is out and then continue to die off from there. GW2 will have a pretty decent start with an increase for 3 months, then a decline and level out at around 1.2 million.
So at the end of 2012 this is what I see:
SWTOR: 6.1 million players
Wow: 5.3 million players
GW2: 1.2 million players
All others are not worth mentioning. I barely mentioned GW2 just to humor myself!
I am hoping that it will be Darkfall 2.0 . ... lol
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GW2/WoW
In all truth, stating who will be top in 2012 isn't going to mean much due tot he release times. I wouldn't look at any statistic seriously unless it was 2013+ when all the "new mmo hype" has subsided and the true life of the MMO can be judged.
My guess is that GW2, SWToR and WoW will all be competing for the top spot.
Top MMO will be WoW ... whats so exciting about that ? Its WoW, year after year, since how many years now ?
Personally I might start playing SW:TOR. Or continue with Vanguard. Or maybe put another pause into my online gaming.
D3 and TL2 are simple hack and slash games there not massive multi player and not even realy full rpgs just fun for 10min in between work and lunch on your smartphone/tablet.
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My list.
1. WoW
2. League of Legends
3. Diablo III
4. SWTOR
5. TERA
6. GW2
@up
Yeah Diablo 3 and TL2 are not MMORPG's , heck they are not even MMO's.
Not anymore than Call of Duty or BF3 is lol
LoL / Dota 2 are also not Mmo's. No persistant world.They are Moba games. Instanced fights, like rts games.
GW2 stands a pretty good chance. WoW can still be the top MMO as ever.
Sandbox-MMO
As far as I am aware, you have this slightly backwards.
There is an MMO in development based on the same world as Kingdoms of Amalur. It is known under the code name "Copernicus". It was always meant to be an MMO and has always been developed as such.
During development they decided to release an additional single-player RPG based on the same world in order to introduce people to the world. Thus Kingdoms of Amalur was born. The single-player RPG will be out in 2012. The MMO will not.
I could be wrong about some of this info if more has been released recently, but it was accurate as of a few months ago.
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If you mean subs...still WoW, if you mean most growth SWTOR. I think GW2 will be a great game, don't get me wrong, but they have not done enough main stream advertising imho. Not enough people even know about it to really be excited about it or know enough about it. SWTOR, on the other hand, has not even started TV adverts yet and is one of the most hyped games out there.
Not saying that SWTOR will be the best game ever, but that it will show the most growth in 2012 if it has a successful launch. I think judging by the reactions from most players that have played the beta, especially over the weekend (damn NDA breakers!), I could honestly say the only thing that could ruin the game at this point is a poor launch.
I could see GW2 growing faster then GW1, but not nearly as huge of a success as some people on these forums make it out to be.
Just to add a tid bit about TSW: I don't think this game is going to show even remote growth after launch judging by Funcom's track record and that alot of people simply don't trust them anymore.
Well its either going to be SWTOR or GW2. Jurys out on which one will win though. Hopefully both!
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wow will remain number 1 in terms of total players. If u are talking about number 1 new release its gonna be tor or secret world. Im still not convinced gw2 will launch in 2012
Ooo predictions - what do I get if I'm even half right?
By end of 2012:
WoW will have announced FTP.
EQI will still be going with Subs.
Warhammer will be gone.
LOTRO will have shown video of mounted combat.
One or two of the super hero MMOs will be gone - no idea which.
SWTOR will be going strong after the normal 6 months of chaos following launch.
GW2 will just be exiting the 6 months of chaos or still in it.
SWTOR will dominate! sure less subs than WoW but will still be awesome
Free online MMOs
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I disagree.
WoW will still be first in subs by a very large margin, despite people saying it is dying (predictions that have been around as long as WoW). SWTOR will still be huge and people will say it's bigger than they thought it would be / should be. GW2 will launch and sell a ton of copies and even tho it's FTP after the box purchase people will still find a reson to be pissed off.
Short answer - WoW
The problem with including GW2 (which admittedly you have to do) is that it can only have an upward trend, as there is no sub, so every box sold will be counted, we'll never know how many of them actually play at any given time. This is the good thing about WoW, SWTOR, etc we can at least get fairly good guesses at subs since they are publicly traded companies and we can see thier game revenues (if not subs). While NCSOFT is publically traided and we'll know how much revenue GW2 generates, it is only box sales it still gives us no indication of how many people are actually playing.
WoW's lost 2mil+ already and the general buzz since the panda expansion has been anounced hasn't been good combined that with the fact that the game is just old I couldn't say WoW.
TOR having over 1mil pre-orders already is a good sign but pre-orders in the end don't mean a lot and I am not sure how much the setting will appeal to MMO gamers, many tend to stick with the fantasy setting but if any Scifi(ish) MMO has a chance at main stream appeal it would be TOR.
GW2 is shaping up to be the most popular MMO of 2012. Offering what gamers have been asking for, doing it without a monthly fee or an item mall (Offering fluff and standard services is not an item mall to me, it's something pay to play MMO's have been doing since UO), it seems like an easy bet.
Short Answer GW2
Well thats the great thing about GW2, people will always play because it costs them nothing once they buy it. I still hop in to GW1 every now and then and do something with friends. Unless the game is just extremely awful most will play till bored, take a break and come back and do it all again. I mean there isn't even the mandatory item mall you get with f2p's to worry about.
GW2 and SWTOR will both reign as NO.1 of the Western MMO market due to differing payment model (B2P, P2P)
Fanboys will be shock at this new revelation of equal first, unable to comprehend this new phenomenon and jump on hating the other game until the world end
WoW will trail at No.2 with Rift, but WoW will remain no.1 in terms of international population, since GW2 and SWTOR won't have translations into Asian regions yet.
Blizzard announces Titan project officially
ArcheAge will be announce as F2P
TSW will have moderate success with ArcheAge launch in NA in the 4th quarter 2012 (hopefully) and both share as the sandbox alterative to GW2 and SWTOR, but ArcheAge will serve as a better alternative due to payment model
TERA will continue to sit in the pond despite have moderate decent game. (hopefully I'm wrong on this one, but their PR suggest otherwise)
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
World of Warcraft will still probably have the most active subscribers. My opinion on where some 2012 entries will likely end up:
SW:TOR - Will attract a number of Star Wars fans and MMO players. I predict a huge drop off in subs and subsequent drop offs in previous months. It will remain steady after a few months and likely still maintain a huge following (over 1 million subs), it's just not going to attract a lot of subscribers that already are playing WoW or became bored of it.
TSW - Depends on how well the launch goes. Funcom's reputation prevents this from vaulting up to the top of the list, and it's relatively unknown outside the MMO circle. Definitely has potiential to be a cult hit because it has several unique mechanics. If the game launches well it could see a surge in popularity and reach over 1 million subscribers, but if it launches poorly expect it to have an average level of subscribers in the 100k-200k range like other Funcom games.
Rift - Rift will get hit hard by SW:TOR and Guild Wars 2 and will continue to lose subs. Expect it to go F2P by the end of 2012 and see a huge resurgence after that. It's a great game for what it is, but again it's mostly just more of the same.
Guild Wars 2 - It's going to be huge and may actually see growth in popularity as word of mouth settles in. I don't think it will maintain nearly as many active players as World of Warcraft, but I'm definitely banking on it being a huge success.
TERA - TERA simply is being released at the poorest time possible in the West and from what I hear probably lacks content to keep a Western player base interested. Don't see this as being a major contender in 2012.
Archeage - Probably won't have a huge following, but may be a cult/niche hit like EVE.
Blade & Soul - Will probably have a decent playerbase in Asia, but not likely to do very well in the West. May not even release in 2012 in the West.
Aion - It will lose popularity in the East due to Archeage, Blade and Soul, TERA, and Guild Wars 2. Probably won't even have subscription numbers worth mentioning.
FFXIV - FFXIV is definitely making a lot of improvements, but I don't see it gaining popularity. When it goes back to charging a subscription fee expect it to be even less active and maintain well under 100k subs.
Wildstar - I don't think this is going to have any major appeal to make it a major contender in 2012.