Do you people also skip the voice acting in arkahm city? I don't understand the mentality of paying for a game and skipping the story. Makes no sense to me but its your money to burn. Just dont come back complaining about a stale game.
Wanting to skip the VO is not the same as wanting to skip the story.
In what way?
I like story. I read books. I do not listen to audio books.
This, althought I prophesize that this post will be spectacularily missunderstood.
Do you people also skip the voice acting in arkahm city? I don't understand the mentality of paying for a game and skipping the story. Makes no sense to me but its your money to burn. Just dont come back complaining about a stale game.
Wanting to skip the VO is not the same as wanting to skip the story.
In what way?
I like story. I read books. I do not listen to audio books.
Ok, I take your point. I love reading but sometimes listen to audio books as well...but anyways...in TOR skipping the VO IS skipping the story, thats what I'm asking. How do you skip the VO but not the story?
Do you people also skip the voice acting in arkahm city? I don't understand the mentality of paying for a game and skipping the story. Makes no sense to me but its your money to burn. Just dont come back complaining about a stale game.
Wanting to skip the VO is not the same as wanting to skip the story.
In what way?
I like story. I read books. I do not listen to audio books.
Ok, I take your point. I love reading but sometimes listen to audio books as well...but anyways...in TOR skipping the VO IS skipping the story, thats what I'm asking. How do you skip the VO but not the story?
So there is no text option...?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Do you people also skip the voice acting in arkahm city? I don't understand the mentality of paying for a game and skipping the story. Makes no sense to me but its your money to burn. Just dont come back complaining about a stale game.
Wanting to skip the VO is not the same as wanting to skip the story.
In what way?
I like story. I read books. I do not listen to audio books.
Ok, I take your point. I love reading but sometimes listen to audio books as well...but anyways...in TOR skipping the VO IS skipping the story, thats what I'm asking. How do you skip the VO but not the story?
So there is no text option...?
I remember someone saying there would be (a long time ago), but to be honest I found the VO so amazingly well done that I never even looked for the option.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I have come to the conclusion that I do not like Korean made cars and they are obviously not actually cars. I have not tried driving one yet, but they look just similar to most other cars out there. Why is my opinion relevant? Because I watch movies of other people driving Korean cars. So even though I have no vested interest int eh cars I am seeing, I can tell that Korean cars are bad from what I see. They drive similar to every other car out there and I do not like how their radios work just like almost all other cars either. Oh and they use fossil fuels just like most other cars too. I'm just tired of cars, but Korean cars are the worst made in all the world, even though many of them are made in other countires.
I'm not playing the bata yet. I will be come friday......What gives me the right to even give my opinion ?....Well, I have a real time web site to watch others play Video games. So I've been watching several people playing SWTOR for the past few days.
This web site gives perfect quality along with great audio. In every case the players are trying to maintain a great attitude. There all mmo players and StarWars fans. They are narrating every move, some are even doing questions and answers using a side chat built into the web site.......They are playing as if they had been playing this mmo for years.
IN EVERY CASE THEY ARE GETTING EXTREMELY TIRED OF THE VOICE ACTING. There trying not to bitch. There trying to maintain a good experience, but many comments are coming out anyway. Every two minutes they are going into dialog, at times they last several minutes. You can see that there adrenalin is flowing, yet BAMMM another long dialog. Lots of frustration.
As has been said you can skip it by using the spacebar, and i bleive someone said that you can also use a option that may skip the cutsceens. By not looking into this or even researching by asking the people who were playing if they had found a method to skip or disable, also playing and watching a game are completely different so your opinion have vary little credit to them for that.
Theme Park, Sandbox, Bull crap in my OPINION :
The game seems to be on rails, they tell you how to play. It's not an open world of do what ever. I don't call it an mmo if you have to instance into PvP or Dungeons to play with others. Some would, but not me. Once they add a dungeon finder it will really be over. Guilds will become worthless and you could just wipe out your friends list because you will not be playing with them anymore......just like Rift......In two months time all will see are the hardcore StarWars fans !....BioWare will call it a success because they made millions off box sales.
Themepark mmos are basically said to be mostly a game on rails with them showing you where to go, and having you handed the story as you go along. Also the worlds are huge much larger then alot of players thought that i played with, and you add in that you can go out into the world without having to falow quests it does feel more opeen then alot fo other games. People who just fallow the story of the character and do not opt to go thru the wrold stories will see vary little of those worlds as would be expected. Nothing in mmorpg states that you have to play with everyone n the game in a open manner, only that you must have a massive number of players playing. We can see about lfg systems since we have none in it and if the star wars fans latch on you may not need it since there are many of then out there.
My game plan :
As with all bata's, I always play a character class that would not be my first choice, along with the opposed faction, so I don't kill my experience after release.
But In the case of SWTOR I'll be playing my first choice. And skip the game. It will be like a fun, short single player game, with a little bit a grouping for dungeons and PvP....Just like Rift !
What iis funny is most of the games like what you said are doning better then other games so far, with still turning a profit so i don't think we will see much change here at all. Basing a opinion on a game god or bad is just stupid and short sighted since no one has the style or preffrance of play as another person. Many of people miss out on some games during their prime since everyone says it was terrible, and then when time has past they give it try out of boredom only to find it actually enterained them more then the others they played. I would save the opinions till you actually have a right to them, watching people play is like saying you have a perfect understanding of rocket science by watching two people talk about on a tx show.
Do you people also skip the voice acting in arkahm city? I don't understand the mentality of paying for a game and skipping the story. Makes no sense to me but its your money to burn. Just dont come back complaining about a stale game.
Wanting to skip the VO is not the same as wanting to skip the story.
In what way?
I like story. I read books. I do not listen to audio books.
Ok, I take your point. I love reading but sometimes listen to audio books as well...but anyways...in TOR skipping the VO IS skipping the story, thats what I'm asking. How do you skip the VO but not the story?
So there is no text option...?
Oh there most certainly is. You can turn on subtitles if you want. The VO still plays over it, but I guess you can read faster then they can talk and just skip when you read the text. Seems kind of like putting closed caption on during a movie and turning the sound off though. I would definitely relate the cutscenes more to a movie than a book, but to each his own i guess.
Do you people also skip the voice acting in arkahm city? I don't understand the mentality of paying for a game and skipping the story. Makes no sense to me but its your money to burn. Just dont come back complaining about a stale game.
Wanting to skip the VO is not the same as wanting to skip the story.
In what way?
I like story. I read books. I do not listen to audio books.
Ok, I take your point. I love reading but sometimes listen to audio books as well...but anyways...in TOR skipping the VO IS skipping the story, thats what I'm asking. How do you skip the VO but not the story?
So there is no text option...?
there are subtitles that you can turn on, but no text box with everything that was said. the quest log just gives a short description of what you have to do and why
I like story. I read books. I do not listen to audio books.
Interesting. In my experience people liked it better to have a VO cinematics presentation instead of just a quest text wall to read. They like VO cinematics representation better in the singleplayer games they play so that has become the main delivery system of progressing the story and providing context instead of text balloons above an NPC's head or onscreen, and so far most people seemed to like it better than written quest text which was clicked away by most anyway.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Yes you can skip the so called boring story lines but really, if you're going to do that you might as well no play this game. Bioware is putting what they do best in this game and thats story. Tons of people are going to love this game, but the rest are going to hate it becuase they dont like story and always love the treadmills. Go play another MMO if you dont like the key features of this one.
I like story. I read books. I do not listen to audio books.
Interesting. In my experience people liked it better to have a VO cinematics presentation instead of just a quest text wall to read. They like VO cinematics representation better in the singleplayer games they play so that has become the main delivery system of progressing the story and providing context instead of text balloons above an NPC's head or onscreen, and so far most people seemed to like it better than written quest text which was clicked away by most anyway.
But everyone's different in this, I admit.
For me its the difference between, story, story-telling and narrative.
There is VO and VO+cinematic, and all the other stuff how to utilize VO.
there are subtitles that you can turn on, but no text box with everything that was said. the quest log just gives a short description of what you have to do and why
Oh, oh well. That's kind of a shame. I did not realize that (still waiting on the invite, waiting, waiting, lol). So I can see where folks are saying that people that want to skip the VO are wanting to skip the story...even though they may just be wanting to skip the VO and read what was said instead of listening to it.
Originally posted by dubyahite
Originally posted by VirusDancer
So there is no text option...?
Oh there most certainly is. You can turn on subtitles if you want. The VO still plays over it, but I guess you can read faster then they can talk and just skip when you read the text. Seems kind of like putting closed caption on during a movie and turning the sound off though. I would definitely relate the cutscenes more to a movie than a book, but to each his own i guess.
Okay, so another question here then. I had thought there was VO outside of the cutscenes. This makes it seem like it is during the cutscenes. Or perhaps it is a case of both...
Basically, going back to what I had asked earlier - it would have been a case of wanting to skip the VO, but read the dialogue - in regard to normal VO (if such exists). In regard to cutscenes, I take it you are going to lose out on story by skipping them - since it appears unlikely there is any dialogue/summary you can read of what took place during it?
I'm not a fan of cutscenes in the least. I like to play the game, not watch the game. I like opening scenes, before you actually start to play - like things like that available from a website to watch - about stuff going on in the gameworld...but while I'm playing, well - I like to play.
Hrmm, I had been trying to hold off on most questions in the belief that they would be answered whenever I received an invite - so I did not end up hearing the wrong thing one way or the other. I've asked a few times about this here and there, but it is generally met with aggression... perhaps it is the time of day.
Thanks for being patient with me.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
MMO means massive multiplayer. That is why Guildwars and DDO is CORPGs, not MMOs.
TOR on the other hand is a MMO.
The RPG thing is actually trickier, most people here never played a P&P RPG, which are the true RPGs, computer RPGs do need certain things to be considered RPGs.
A real RPG needs:
* Story & backgraound (check). Not just some random stuff thrown out and a little badly written flavor text.
* Non combat skills. A true RPG have more in them than just combat, that's why Baldurs gate is a RPG but not Diablo.
* NPCs with personality and motives (check). A RPG don't need to have NPCs but if it have they are not just a generic vendor.
* Tools for roleplaying (Check). Emotes, casual clothing, player and guild houses, stuff like that. A RPG don't need all of those but some.
I been playing P&P RPGs since 1984 and computer RPGs almost as long. What most people considered a RPG just a few years and what suddenly goes for ones has changed a lot. I guess I still would have to call TOR a RPG but it is not as given as the MMO part. Many games today are closer to Diablo than a MMO and at least when Diablo was out is was considered an "action game", not a RPG.
Skyrim is a typical single player RPG, as is Biowares Neverwinter nights.
While I don't necesarly agree with OP in many things, and I enjoy story in game - I don't see why VO has such appeal, actually I prefer reading over VO, kinda leave many things to imagination which I like, not to mention that paraphrasing and some voices just getting on my nerves, especially if game VO my own character. (if this case with Swtor?)
Yes your character has a voice. Which is awesome...
Nah it is not. That was one of reason why I could not stand Dragon Age 2. It was awful. I like when my character have voice I imagine myself, when I hear some actor saying what are supposed to be MY lines, it kinda breaks immersion heavily.
It is like I am playing / watching some interactive movie, instead of playing myself / MY character.
Guess diffrent people like diffrent things I guess.
Originally posted by VirusDancer Originally posted by gaou
Originally posted by VirusDancer
So there is no text option...?
there are subtitles that you can turn on, but no text box with everything that was said. the quest log just gives a short description of what you have to do and whyOh, oh well. That's kind of a shame. I did not realize that (still waiting on the invite, waiting, waiting, lol). So I can see where folks are saying that people that want to skip the VO are wanting to skip the story...even though they may just be wanting to skip the VO and read what was said instead of listening to it. Originally posted by dubyahite
Originally posted by VirusDancer
So there is no text option...?
Oh there most certainly is. You can turn on subtitles if you want. The VO still plays over it, but I guess you can read faster then they can talk and just skip when you read the text. Seems kind of like putting closed caption on during a movie and turning the sound off though. I would definitely relate the cutscenes more to a movie than a book, but to each his own i guess. Okay, so another question here then. I had thought there was VO outside of the cutscenes. This makes it seem like it is during the cutscenes. Or perhaps it is a case of both... Basically, going back to what I had asked earlier - it would have been a case of wanting to skip the VO, but read the dialogue - in regard to normal VO (if such exists). In regard to cutscenes, I take it you are going to lose out on story by skipping them - since it appears unlikely there is any dialogue/summary you can read of what took place during it? I'm not a fan of cutscenes in the least. I like to play the game, not watch the game. I like opening scenes, before you actually start to play - like things like that available from a website to watch - about stuff going on in the gameworld...but while I'm playing, well - I like to play. Hrmm, I had been trying to hold off on most questions in the belief that they would be answered whenever I received an invite - so I did not end up hearing the wrong thing one way or the other. I've asked a few times about this here and there, but it is generally met with aggression... perhaps it is the time of day. Thanks for being patient with me.
There is voice acting outside of the cut scenes, but it's more like environmental stuff. Robsolf in another thread mentioned a Smuggler hitting on a waitress in a bar. When you pick up, turn in or progress quests, you have an interactive cut scene with voice acting that directly relates to you.
There is also voice acting for NPCs you interact with, but who are not quest givers. You do not get a cut scene, but they'll give you their line that actually relates to them instead of a random one for their race (like WoW).
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
there are subtitles that you can turn on, but no text box with everything that was said. the quest log just gives a short description of what you have to do and why
Oh, oh well. That's kind of a shame. I did not realize that (still waiting on the invite, waiting, waiting, lol). So I can see where folks are saying that people that want to skip the VO are wanting to skip the story...even though they may just be wanting to skip the VO and read what was said instead of listening to it.
Originally posted by dubyahite
Originally posted by VirusDancer
So there is no text option...?
Oh there most certainly is. You can turn on subtitles if you want. The VO still plays over it, but I guess you can read faster then they can talk and just skip when you read the text. Seems kind of like putting closed caption on during a movie and turning the sound off though. I would definitely relate the cutscenes more to a movie than a book, but to each his own i guess.
Okay, so another question here then. I had thought there was VO outside of the cutscenes. This makes it seem like it is during the cutscenes. Or perhaps it is a case of both...
Basically, going back to what I had asked earlier - it would have been a case of wanting to skip the VO, but read the dialogue - in regard to normal VO (if such exists). In regard to cutscenes, I take it you are going to lose out on story by skipping them - since it appears unlikely there is any dialogue/summary you can read of what took place during it?
I'm not a fan of cutscenes in the least. I like to play the game, not watch the game. I like opening scenes, before you actually start to play - like things like that available from a website to watch - about stuff going on in the gameworld...but while I'm playing, well - I like to play.
Hrmm, I had been trying to hold off on most questions in the belief that they would be answered whenever I received an invite - so I did not end up hearing the wrong thing one way or the other. I've asked a few times about this here and there, but it is generally met with aggression... perhaps it is the time of day.
Thanks for being patient with me.
The majority of the cutscenes are just from talking to NPCs and picking up/turning in quests. There are also conversations in flashpoints that periodically happen (not too much, but enough to feel important).
There is some ambient VO when you're walking around a city you will hear NPC's talking or you might here another persons companion talking, this isn't really story related specifically though.
As far as skipping the VO, there is no summary of the story afterwards. In your case when you play the beta you might try turning on subtitles and reading them, then just hitting spacebar after you read it. It won't skip the whole conversation but just move to the next characters sentence, read that rinse and repeat.
Another thing that lessens the cutscenes for you could be skipping some of the side quests (although some of them have long quest chains with interesting side-stories) but pay attention to the main story. Just an idea.
Beyond that though, even though you don't really like cutscenes I would highly recommend giving them a chance without subtitles at first. I found them to be highly immersive and usually interesting.
There is voice acting outside of the cut scenes, but it's more like environmental stuff. Robsolf in another thread mentioned a Smuggler hitting on a waitress in a bar. When you pick up, turn in or progress quests, you have an interactive cut scene with voice acting that directly relates to you.
There is also voice acting for NPCs you interact with, but who are not quest givers. You do not get a cut scene, but they'll give you their line that actually relates to them instead of a random one for their race (like WoW).
Well damn... thanks for the answer.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Beyond that though, even though you don't really like cutscenes I would highly recommend giving them a chance without subtitles at first. I found them to be highly immersive and usually interesting.
Yeah, I'll still give it a chance...they've just never been my thing. It will really depend on how it is done - cannot judge it based soley off of what I've disliked in the past.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Beyond that though, even though you don't really like cutscenes I would highly recommend giving them a chance without subtitles at first. I found them to be highly immersive and usually interesting.
Yeah, I'll still give it a chance...they've just never been my thing. It will really depend on how it is done - cannot judge it based soley off of what I've disliked in the past.
This discussion is far to reasonable. I'm just waiting for you to call me a fanboi so i can call you a troll or something.
* Non combat skills. A true RPG have more in them than just combat, that's why Baldurs gate is a RPG but not Diablo.
Many games today are closer to Diablo than a MMO and at least when Diablo was out is was considered an "action game", not a RPG.
? The Diablo games have always been called action RPG's or hack/slash RPG's, which could be considered a subgenre of RPG's.
As for the term RPG, there's a clear difference between PnP RPG's and computer RPG's, even if the latter sprung forth from the former it has established itself with its own rules and formats that work well in computer games but doesn't work like that in PnP RPG's. I'd say that the RPG in MMORPG is an exponent of computer RPG genre, not the PnP RPG genre.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I'm not playing the bata yet. I will be come friday......What gives me the right to even give my opinion ?....Well, I have a real time web site to watch others play Video games. So I've been watching several people playing SWTOR for the past few days.
This web site gives perfect quality along with great audio. In every case the players are trying to maintain a great attitude. There all mmo players and StarWars fans. They are narrating every move, some are even doing questions and answers using a side chat built into the web site.......They are playing as if they had been playing this mmo for years.
IN EVERY CASE THEY ARE GETTING EXTREMELY TIRED OF THE VOICE ACTING. There trying not to bitch. There trying to maintain a good experience, but many comments are coming out anyway. Every two minutes they are going into dialog, at times they last several minutes. You can see that there adrenalin is flowing, yet BAMMM another long dialog. Lots of frustration.
Theme Park, Sandbox, Bull crap in my OPINION :
The game seems to be on rails, they tell you how to play. It's not an open world of do what ever. I don't call it an mmo if you have to instance into PvP or Dungeons to play with others. Some would, but not me. Once they add a dungeon finder it will really be over. Guilds will become worthless and you could just wipe out your friends list because you will not be playing with them anymore......just like Rift......In two months time all will see are the hardcore StarWars fans !....BioWare will call it a success because they made millions off box sales.
My game plan :
As with all bata's, I always play a character class that would not be my first choice, along with the opposed faction, so I don't kill my experience after release.
But In the case of SWTOR I'll be playing my first choice. And skip the game. It will be like a fun, short single player game, with a little bit a grouping for dungeons and PvP....Just like Rift !
So...how is alot of voice acting NOT an MMO again? You dont seem to make a case for your opinion at ALL. Infact the only part of your post that says "not an mmo" is instancing/pvp. So again, where is the argument that Voiceovers make it not an mmo? Or was it just a poorly and completely false title to get people to read it?
Oh and if you hate the game so much why would you bother downloading 20+ gigs of a game you already know you will hate? That seems pretty uh....insane? to me. I have no intentions of buying TOR myself but the reason I'm doing the beta this weekend is to confirm my thoughts on it not to say "ok I played it. Any nonsense I post from now on is validated.".
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This, althought I prophesize that this post will be spectacularily missunderstood.
Ok, I take your point. I love reading but sometimes listen to audio books as well...but anyways...in TOR skipping the VO IS skipping the story, thats what I'm asking. How do you skip the VO but not the story?
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So there is no text option...?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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the game open up after lvl 10, once you get off the tutorial planet then the real mmo starts.
I remember someone saying there would be (a long time ago), but to be honest I found the VO so amazingly well done that I never even looked for the option.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
hahaha
What iis funny is most of the games like what you said are doning better then other games so far, with still turning a profit so i don't think we will see much change here at all. Basing a opinion on a game god or bad is just stupid and short sighted since no one has the style or preffrance of play as another person. Many of people miss out on some games during their prime since everyone says it was terrible, and then when time has past they give it try out of boredom only to find it actually enterained them more then the others they played. I would save the opinions till you actually have a right to them, watching people play is like saying you have a perfect understanding of rocket science by watching two people talk about on a tx show.
Oh there most certainly is. You can turn on subtitles if you want. The VO still plays over it, but I guess you can read faster then they can talk and just skip when you read the text. Seems kind of like putting closed caption on during a movie and turning the sound off though. I would definitely relate the cutscenes more to a movie than a book, but to each his own i guess.
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there are subtitles that you can turn on, but no text box with everything that was said. the quest log just gives a short description of what you have to do and why
i believe the skip cinematics is for skipping the CGI cinematics so they don't play every time you log in or start a new character
Interesting. In my experience people liked it better to have a VO cinematics presentation instead of just a quest text wall to read. They like VO cinematics representation better in the singleplayer games they play so that has become the main delivery system of progressing the story and providing context instead of text balloons above an NPC's head or onscreen, and so far most people seemed to like it better than written quest text which was clicked away by most anyway.
But everyone's different in this, I admit.
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The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I believe your are correct if i remember seeing correctly. It just makes it so those cinematics by blur don't play everytime you pick a side.
As for the TC? oh well, i disagree. Personally love the game can't wait to get back into it. Looks like a great MMO to me.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Yes you can skip the so called boring story lines but really, if you're going to do that you might as well no play this game. Bioware is putting what they do best in this game and thats story. Tons of people are going to love this game, but the rest are going to hate it becuase they dont like story and always love the treadmills. Go play another MMO if you dont like the key features of this one.
For me its the difference between, story, story-telling and narrative.
There is VO and VO+cinematic, and all the other stuff how to utilize VO.
Oh, oh well. That's kind of a shame. I did not realize that (still waiting on the invite, waiting, waiting, lol). So I can see where folks are saying that people that want to skip the VO are wanting to skip the story...even though they may just be wanting to skip the VO and read what was said instead of listening to it.
Okay, so another question here then. I had thought there was VO outside of the cutscenes. This makes it seem like it is during the cutscenes. Or perhaps it is a case of both...
Basically, going back to what I had asked earlier - it would have been a case of wanting to skip the VO, but read the dialogue - in regard to normal VO (if such exists). In regard to cutscenes, I take it you are going to lose out on story by skipping them - since it appears unlikely there is any dialogue/summary you can read of what took place during it?
I'm not a fan of cutscenes in the least. I like to play the game, not watch the game. I like opening scenes, before you actually start to play - like things like that available from a website to watch - about stuff going on in the gameworld...but while I'm playing, well - I like to play.
Hrmm, I had been trying to hold off on most questions in the belief that they would be answered whenever I received an invite - so I did not end up hearing the wrong thing one way or the other. I've asked a few times about this here and there, but it is generally met with aggression... perhaps it is the time of day.
Thanks for being patient with me.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
MMO means massive multiplayer. That is why Guildwars and DDO is CORPGs, not MMOs.
TOR on the other hand is a MMO.
The RPG thing is actually trickier, most people here never played a P&P RPG, which are the true RPGs, computer RPGs do need certain things to be considered RPGs.
A real RPG needs:
* Story & backgraound (check). Not just some random stuff thrown out and a little badly written flavor text.
* Non combat skills. A true RPG have more in them than just combat, that's why Baldurs gate is a RPG but not Diablo.
* NPCs with personality and motives (check). A RPG don't need to have NPCs but if it have they are not just a generic vendor.
* Tools for roleplaying (Check). Emotes, casual clothing, player and guild houses, stuff like that. A RPG don't need all of those but some.
I been playing P&P RPGs since 1984 and computer RPGs almost as long. What most people considered a RPG just a few years and what suddenly goes for ones has changed a lot. I guess I still would have to call TOR a RPG but it is not as given as the MMO part. Many games today are closer to Diablo than a MMO and at least when Diablo was out is was considered an "action game", not a RPG.
Skyrim is a typical single player RPG, as is Biowares Neverwinter nights.
Nah it is not. That was one of reason why I could not stand Dragon Age 2. It was awful. I like when my character have voice I imagine myself, when I hear some actor saying what are supposed to be MY lines, it kinda breaks immersion heavily.
It is like I am playing / watching some interactive movie, instead of playing myself / MY character.
Guess diffrent people like diffrent things I guess.
Okay, so another question here then. I had thought there was VO outside of the cutscenes. This makes it seem like it is during the cutscenes. Or perhaps it is a case of both...
Basically, going back to what I had asked earlier - it would have been a case of wanting to skip the VO, but read the dialogue - in regard to normal VO (if such exists). In regard to cutscenes, I take it you are going to lose out on story by skipping them - since it appears unlikely there is any dialogue/summary you can read of what took place during it?
I'm not a fan of cutscenes in the least. I like to play the game, not watch the game. I like opening scenes, before you actually start to play - like things like that available from a website to watch - about stuff going on in the gameworld...but while I'm playing, well - I like to play.
Hrmm, I had been trying to hold off on most questions in the belief that they would be answered whenever I received an invite - so I did not end up hearing the wrong thing one way or the other. I've asked a few times about this here and there, but it is generally met with aggression... perhaps it is the time of day.
Thanks for being patient with me.
There is voice acting outside of the cut scenes, but it's more like environmental stuff. Robsolf in another thread mentioned a Smuggler hitting on a waitress in a bar. When you pick up, turn in or progress quests, you have an interactive cut scene with voice acting that directly relates to you.
There is also voice acting for NPCs you interact with, but who are not quest givers. You do not get a cut scene, but they'll give you their line that actually relates to them instead of a random one for their race (like WoW).
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The majority of the cutscenes are just from talking to NPCs and picking up/turning in quests. There are also conversations in flashpoints that periodically happen (not too much, but enough to feel important).
There is some ambient VO when you're walking around a city you will hear NPC's talking or you might here another persons companion talking, this isn't really story related specifically though.
As far as skipping the VO, there is no summary of the story afterwards. In your case when you play the beta you might try turning on subtitles and reading them, then just hitting spacebar after you read it. It won't skip the whole conversation but just move to the next characters sentence, read that rinse and repeat.
Another thing that lessens the cutscenes for you could be skipping some of the side quests (although some of them have long quest chains with interesting side-stories) but pay attention to the main story. Just an idea.
Beyond that though, even though you don't really like cutscenes I would highly recommend giving them a chance without subtitles at first. I found them to be highly immersive and usually interesting.
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Well damn... thanks for the answer.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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Yeah, I'll still give it a chance...they've just never been my thing. It will really depend on how it is done - cannot judge it based soley off of what I've disliked in the past.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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This discussion is far to reasonable. I'm just waiting for you to call me a fanboi so i can call you a troll or something.
Are you sure you're on the right forums?
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? The Diablo games have always been called action RPG's or hack/slash RPG's, which could be considered a subgenre of RPG's.
As for the term RPG, there's a clear difference between PnP RPG's and computer RPG's, even if the latter sprung forth from the former it has established itself with its own rules and formats that work well in computer games but doesn't work like that in PnP RPG's. I'd say that the RPG in MMORPG is an exponent of computer RPG genre, not the PnP RPG genre.
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So...how is alot of voice acting NOT an MMO again? You dont seem to make a case for your opinion at ALL. Infact the only part of your post that says "not an mmo" is instancing/pvp. So again, where is the argument that Voiceovers make it not an mmo? Or was it just a poorly and completely false title to get people to read it?
Oh and if you hate the game so much why would you bother downloading 20+ gigs of a game you already know you will hate? That seems pretty uh....insane? to me. I have no intentions of buying TOR myself but the reason I'm doing the beta this weekend is to confirm my thoughts on it not to say "ok I played it. Any nonsense I post from now on is validated.".
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