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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Blizzard CEO's Statements Rain on EA's Parade

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

According to a report from Reuters.com, Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick believes that "downward pressure on profits" will hurt EA's chances of making a gigantic profit from Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Kotick points out that the main beneficiary of the game's sales and subscriptions will be LucasArts and that EA will likely see less money incoming due to licensing agreements. "Lucas is going to be the principal beneficiary of the success of Star Wars," Kotick said. "We've been in business with Lucas for a long time and the economics will always accrue to the benefit of Lucas, so I don't really understand how the economics work for Electronic Arts."

Activision-Blizzard is understandably nervous about SWTOR's arrival, particularly in light of recent reports that show declining subscriptions for World of Warcraft. WoW subs are down approximately one million since late 2010. Some reports have said that WoW could lose up to 500,000 more subscribers to SWTOR.

Read the full article at Reuters.com.

Via Develop-Online.net



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  • EnjoyYourEnjoyYour Member Posts: 15

    Talk about a CEO stating the obvious in addition to being a known fact since the first Star Wars film. The merchandising and marketing are Lucas' strongest points. This is where they have always made the most money and I can't see how it would be any different for this game. It's Lucas' pie to share in whatever way they want.

  • 77lolmac7777lolmac77 Member UncommonPosts: 492
    WoW's got China on lock Blizzard will be able to stay on top as long as the Asian market continues to play. MoP may actually hurt that since pandas are very revered in China.
  • octarinoctarin Member UncommonPosts: 13

    I serioulsy doubt EA was unaware of that fact before, during or after what's happening lately. We're just watching a sore loser whine over nothing. It's sad when you think on it. But that's life. Blizz squeezed us dry for the last 7 years, and they're loathe to see the juice flowing down another stream now. Tough luck.

  • GarkanGarkan Member Posts: 552

    Anyone into stock markets happen to know why EAs stock is worth twice as much as Activisions and what that means for both companies?

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910

    Blizzard shares are down 5.5% and EA's shares are up 27%. It's not a stretch to think that players aren't the only things Blizzard might be losing to EA. This is how corporations compete when they can't compete on the merits of their products.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by Garkan

    Anyone into stock markets happen to know why EAs stock is worth twice as much as Activisions and what that means for both companies?

    Comparing stock value by itself is not accurate. You have to compare stock price relative to the total volume of stock available.

    For example, If the company is doing extremely well and the stock price goes high enough, it usually splits and the price effectively halves, but anyone holding any stock now holds twice as much in the volume of stock, which is worth the same as before it split.

    A single stock for a company could be 1/1,000,000 of the toal stock, or 1/10,000,000 of the total stock. But if they're both worth $1, then it means the total valuation of the stocks for the second stock are ten times that of the first.

  • TookyGTookyG Warhammer Online CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,115

    Originally posted by Garkan

    Anyone into stock markets happen to know why EAs stock is worth twice as much as Activisions and what that means for both companies?

    For the end consumer it means about the same as the price difference between Apple (~$375) and Microsoft (~$25) stock:  Nothing.

    Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.

  • ScalebaneScalebane Member UncommonPosts: 1,883

    Originally posted by lizardbones

    Blizzard shares are down 5.5% and EA's shares are up 27%. It's not a stretch to think that players aren't the only things Blizzard might be losing to EA. This is how corporations compete when they can't compete on the merits of their products.

    MW3 sold so many copies EA could only hope to ever have a game sell as well, but since kotek has no say over what Blizzard does its funny he's even talking.

    http://www.vgchartz.com/charts/weekly.php

    here's a chart you can see MW3's total sales per system, i really doubt they can't compete with EA the destroyer of game companies.

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  • Stuka1000Stuka1000 Member UncommonPosts: 955

    Current valuations show Activision to be worth $2.9 billion while Electronic Arts is worth $5.2 billion.  Zynga however just out of interest is worth $5.5 billion and has only been going for a few years.

  • KooshdinKooshdin Member Posts: 217

    What is it with this world of warcraft shit ?

     

    I played several times, and the last couple of times, I seem to remember it being rather empty, that was about 3 years ago now.

    How can there possibly be approximately 8 million people playing world of warcraft, if i couldnt get a group together, 3 years ago !

  • ClocksimusClocksimus Member Posts: 354

    Originally posted by eric1000

    Current valuations show Activision to be worth $2.9 billion while Electronic Arts is worth $5.2 billion.  Zynga however just out of interest is worth $5.5 billion and has only been going for a few years.


     

    My first thought was, who? And then I googled... Afterwards I died a little on the inside.

  • Stuka1000Stuka1000 Member UncommonPosts: 955

    Originally posted by Clocksimus



    Originally posted by eric1000



    Current valuations show Activision to be worth $2.9 billion while Electronic Arts is worth $5.2 billion.  Zynga however just out of interest is worth $5.5 billion and has only been going for a few years.






     

    My first thought was, who? And then I googled... Afterwards I died a little on the inside.

    Yup, just shows what you can do with a few crappy facebook games don't it.

  • ProsonProson Member UncommonPosts: 544

    Originally posted by Kooshdin

    What is it with this world of warcraft shit ?

     

    I played several times, and the last couple of times, I seem to remember it being rather empty, that was about 3 years ago now.

    How can there possibly be approximately 8 million people playing world of warcraft, if i couldnt get a group together, 3 years ago !

     

    Maybe dont play on a LOW populated server? I havent played WoW in awhile myself, but i know there are alot of server that are very overcrowded.. and some that are very empty. They have hundreds of servers you know!

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  • ZarynterkZarynterk Member UncommonPosts: 398

    Originally posted by eric1000

    Originally posted by Clocksimus



    Originally posted by eric1000

    Current valuations show Activision to be worth $2.9 billion while Electronic Arts is worth $5.2 billion.  Zynga however just out of interest is worth $5.5 billion and has only been going for a few years.






     

    My first thought was, who? And then I googled... Afterwards I died a little on the inside.

    Yup, just shows what you can do with a few crappy facebook games don't it.

     

    And a much, much larger target demographic... When you don't limit your potential audience, the sky is the limit.

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  • AzureProwerAzurePrower Member UncommonPosts: 1,550

    All I'm hearing from Bobby is. "You're not getting full profits from your game that's better than mine. THERE! Take that!"


    Seems like nothing more than a pissing contest.

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  • JediConsularJediConsular Member Posts: 51

    Originally posted by Kooshdin

    What is it with this world of warcraft shit ?

     

    I played several times, and the last couple of times, I seem to remember it being rather empty, that was about 3 years ago now.

    How can there possibly be approximately 8 million people playing world of warcraft, if i couldnt get a group together, 3 years ago !

     

    Because 7.5 million of those people playing live in China and are on the Chinese servers, lol.

    Seriously, I've played within the last year and wondered the same thing myself. However, the last time I played was shortly after the launch of RIFT, which I'm sure was the majority of the reason why the servers were a ghost town at the time.

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  • ScalebaneScalebane Member UncommonPosts: 1,883

    Originally posted by AzurePrower

    All I'm hearing from Bobby is. "You're not getting full profits from your game that's better than mine. THERE! Take that!"



    Seems like nothing more than a pissing contest.

    its not his game though and he's a douche thats why no one likes him.  Blizzard maintained their independence when that deal with vivendi was made, they just got to use the blizzard name with theirs which causes confusion.  Kotick has no say on what Blizzard does.

    So just ignore him, just like all us Blizzard fans do lol.

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  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by Zarynterk

    Originally posted by eric1000


    Originally posted by Clocksimus




    Originally posted by eric1000



    Current valuations show Activision to be worth $2.9 billion while Electronic Arts is worth $5.2 billion.  Zynga however just out of interest is worth $5.5 billion and has only been going for a few years.






     

    My first thought was, who? And then I googled... Afterwards I died a little on the inside.

    Yup, just shows what you can do with a few crappy facebook games don't it.

     

    And a much, much larger target demographic... When you don't limit your potential audience, the sky is the limit.

    There's also the fact that stock prices fluctuate largely on perceived value.

    The market currently believes there is a lot of value in Zynga due to the potential profit it can make in the future. Which similarly why Facebook is so horrendously overpriced. There is a perception that a lot of money can be made from Facebook/Zynga... and while Facebook/Zynga are both profitable companies, they have yet to actually generare revenue anywhere close to enough that it actually justifies their bloated company valuations. Where as companies like EA ad Activision-Blizzard actually produce tangible products and have revenue and expenses that are much more easily quantified.

  • TardcoreTardcore Member Posts: 2,325

    Well Mr Kotick, if you could desist in tongue kissing your own ring for a minute you might actually gain some understanding.

     

    A massive story driven themepark game based on Star Wars made by Bioware, a company with a massive fan following, and backed by Lucas Arts, the masters of merchandising madness, and he doesn't think that EA can turn a massive profit off this game? What a smug little jackass. I ended up not liking this game but even I can see how well it will appeal to quite a large number of gamers.

     

    While I don't know much about the man I'm starting to gain understanding into why so many diehard Blizzard fans seem to hate his guts.

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  • darkbamydarkbamy Member UncommonPosts: 111

    someone is getting worries here...HA..Blizzard and there silly WoW

  • DaddyDarkDaddyDark Member Posts: 138

    It is better to share profits and launch the highly demanded SW game on the market than to come out with your own stupid ideas and just fuk the product up. The pandas expansion is a good example - we already know that it would be unsuccesful. But yeah Bobby - you still have all the problems with WoW ahead of you, so why not to spil some coffee on the TOR while you are idle.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Tardcore

    A massive story driven themepark game based on Star Wars made by Bioware, a company with a massive fan following, and backed by Lucas Arts, the masters of merchandising madness, and he doesn't think that EA can turn a massive profit off this game? What a smug little jackass. I ended up not liking this game but even I can see how well it will appeal to quite a large number of gamers.

     

    To be fair Tard, he didn't say that the game wouldn't make a ton of money... he said the  percentages that Lucas demand will impact heavily on EA's take home pay.

    I can see where he is coming from.

    The merchandising you mention for example... who do you think make off that? EA or LA?

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908



    Originally posted by darkbamy

    someone is getting worries here...HA..Blizzard and there silly WoW

    I'm no Blizz fan and I have never played WoW, but I don't see the worry in his observation.

    What part did you see the 'worry' in?

    Maybe if SWTOR ha 1/10 paying subs that WoW has in a year (which I sincerely doubt personally) they will start to maybe worry. But by then ofc Diablo III will be their new cash machine, at least until their new MMO drops.

    Blizzard worrying? hehe I bet just about every other game dev in the world had their worries.

     



     

  • zevni78zevni78 Member UncommonPosts: 1,146

    It just strikes me as pointless and lacking class, you'd think he's be trying to hype his next project, not come off as a sore loser already.

     

    Even if Lucas took even more of the profit, its stll a massive bonus to Bioware to get so many players into their product, and therefore possibly others, (gateway to ME?) not to mention their rep for a project this prestigious.

     

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by Scalebane

    Originally posted by lizardbones
    Blizzard shares are down 5.5% and EA's shares are up 27%. It's not a stretch to think that players aren't the only things Blizzard might be losing to EA. This is how corporations compete when they can't compete on the merits of their products.

    MW3 sold so many copies EA could only hope to ever have a game sell as well, but since kotek has no say over what Blizzard does its funny he's even talking.
    http://www.vgchartz.com/charts/weekly.php
    here's a chart you can see MW3's total sales per system, i really doubt they can't compete with EA the destroyer of game companies.



    I was referring to the mmorpg market. Activision's value is so tied to WoW's performance, it's not funny (if you're an investor). If WoW actually tanked, Activision's stock would take a major hit. If WoW tanked at the same time as SW:ToR became a hit, it would be even worse. It doesn't matter that MW3 sells 4* times as many copies as BF3.

    * That number is going to get bigger.

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