and then you realize, it isnt bg, and even if it was bg it there arent any cross realms, then you think with max cap of 3k players, and average below that, just how many players will be there,
after first 2 weeks, it will be desolate wasteland,
Sorry but, I think you're missing the point.
Two weeks isn't enough time to get a zone filled with 50s ready to PvP, lol. You're being a tad unrealistic. This isn't WoW where people race to the end.
Ilum isn't supposed to be a copy of WoW's battlegrounds. If you really think TOR was made to grab all WoW's customers, I think you have it confused with Rift and it's "You're not in Azeroth anymore" campaign.
This game is for people who like a complete MMO, not just for PvE'ers or PvPer's. People will enjoy the story and not try to race to fill up the PvP zone. When they get there, they get there.
The reason people have your mentality regarding fast leveling is the games they usually play are BORING PvE and makes them read quests which is wrapped in dry-ass lore/story. Since the people don't care about the story, they want to get the hell out of the leveling zones.
ToR brings along people with the idea that YOU are your character. You are not someone watching pixels.
Read the title of the video again then actually LOOK at the zone, then figure in the two week period you just gave it to be "desolate" and realize what type of player you must be:
this isnt wow where you can race lvl to the end? ..my friend you will be eating your words no sooner you log in after 2/ 3 weeks..this is what some / most single player mmorpg players live for..and this game is clearly that..not everyone plays like a sponge and takes in everything the game offers..its a theampark mmo for gods sake..if you dont think there will be maxed / VERY close to maxed players after a few weeks you kidding yourself...and just wait till they plop in the "press to skip cut scene here" button..and if you dont think they will..well your dreaming cuz once every1 starts to complain about it..they will plop it in there..but then again its EA ..who knows how they will react to a mmorpg
If you don't like theme parks, then don't buy it. If you miss RPG and a good story in your MMO, then you will most definitely like SW:TOR.
Until the story runs out?
I am not dissing the game, but story is finate. I have seen said that class stories are only about say 1/4 of the game, and morality decisions only affect a few cinematics (rather than branching the story).
So even for the RPer, I do not see a long life in TOR.
When is the next expansion expected (more story)? A year? Most gamers will have long sinced completed the existing storylines.
So what is to justify paying month after month, when the story content has run out?
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Waffles. Because when a donkey eats one, its hilarious.
And a guy named Impulse... who has purchased 9 mmos already... now you're being hesitant? lol
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Originally posted by odinsrath this isnt wow where you can race lvl to the end? ..my friend you will be eating your words no sooner you log in after 2/ 3 weeks..this is what some / most single player mmorpg players live for..and this game is clearly that..not everyone plays like a sponge and takes in everything the game offers..its a theampark mmo for gods sake..if you dont think there will be maxed / VERY close to maxed players after a few weeks you kidding yourself...and just wait till they plop in the "press to skip cut scene here" button..and if you dont think they will..well your dreaming cuz once every1 starts to complain about it..they will plop it in there..but then again its EA ..who knows how they will react to a mmorpg
Why would I eat my words when most of the people subbing are saying they are here for the story, lol? They aren't trying to speed through it by clicking the spacebar out of convos.. they are actually hoping it goes on LONGER, lol.
Crafting. Exploration. Ship combat. Story. This is all the things people have in addition to PvP.
Of course there will be a few people who race through the game to get firsts. But you seem to act like the majority of mmo players are some sort of hardcore machines racing to get top rank PvP gear.
Just to let you in on a little secret most companies know already.. MOST players don't rush through content on purpose.. they play casually because they have jobs and don't want to stay up all night and wake up the next day, don't shower and get right back on the game.
MOST players do not PvP, although probably about 30-40% do some of it in mmos. Those are pretty much industry knowns. These people who you think are going to leave the game "barren" aren't going to sink it, lol. Just won't happen because most people are playing for escape and story; not blood and glory.
But you keep repeating that "single player" line as if it actually means something or will hamper the game. I'm sure someone will believe it if you say it enough, just not the people actually paying for and playing the game, which in less than two weeks will probably be over 1 million so.. yeah....
Originally posted by Loekii Originally posted by Timukas If you don't like theme parks, then don't buy it. If you miss RPG and a good story in your MMO, then you will most definitely like SW:TOR.
Until the story runs out? I am not dissing the game, but story is finate.
Err.. no it isn't.
FFXI was a STORY game as far as content.
You did three things in FFXI:
1. Get a party and go grind in a cave, jungle or by a lake for four hours at a time.
2. Craft, which took you months to max.
3. Be part of the story through cutscenes, special missions and events.
Didn't hurt that game much even with as many people saying how boring. Story does not have to "end". Only people running out of ideas end games.
At any time, you should look up Wookiepedia and see just how much Old Republic lore is on file and what they have to draw on.
Buy it. MMO launches are so much fun, and even if the gameplay bores you after 1 month you will have gotten your moneys worth. Make sure to pick up some waffles.
U guys must be on crack or something. rift while similar in the mechanics isnt vaguely anywhere near similar in playing experience. And for those who race through to level 50 , its going to be a hollow experience. Just my opinion.
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RIFT and SWTOR, same game just one is in space and the other is high fantasy. Seeing how rift scored so low for you chance are very high SWTOR will score the same.
lol, i agree with the OP rating of games but i would not place rift and swtor in the same context. they may act the same but the experiance is completly diferent.
No, it's really not. Look past the voice-overs and lightsabers. It's the same loot treadmill style game with the exception that there is no dynamic content at all.
If Rift scored a 2 for the OP, SWTOR will score a 1.
lol dynamic. dynamic what? you mean the rifts that open up in the same spot over and over and dissapear if you fail. dynamic is such markating buzz word. nothing in rift is dynamic.
SWTOR isnt a loot treadmill.... loot is way in the back seat if you actually play the game. story far and away is the entire point of the game. you are beaten over the head with it at times.
All MMOs have stories. The only difference is that in this game someone reads the quest text for you rather than you having to read it on your own. Just because you didn't read the stories in World of warcraft, Rift, Aion, etc., doesn't mean they didn't exist.
When you hit level 50 you complete your class quests and the story ends. All that's left is the loot treadmill, just like every other uninspired MMO on the market.
that is just not true....your class quest is not the only story to be had in the game. every quest is part of the story of the world the game takes place in and all instances and raids have a story that plays out while you are in them. it is obvious that everything in SWTOR takes a back seat to story after you have played for more than a few hours.
if you think SWTOR is a loot treadmill game you are missing the point entirely. pretty sure you havent played it considering your comments though. after playing for quite some time now i can say with conviction that gear is definitely not a priority on the devs list. The mod system allows you to keep gear from very early in the game and just update it with increasingly better stats, which makes hunting down new gear kind of pointless if you have mods from commendations or crafting. You can also just craft a customizable set and then use mods to make it as good as the end game raiding gear with mods. It turns most of the gear into something that is more about vanity than stats.
I wouldn't say I lean either way. I just like games that are good. Darkfall is a sandbox but I for some reason can't get into it. On the other hand, Shadowbane was a sandbox that totally defined a period of my life.
Guild Wars is fairly themepark in my opinion and I had a lot of fun with that, too.
Going by the scores you gave some of the games on your list, RIFT, for one....I would say no, don't buy this game. I think it will have some similarities to games you seem to really rather loathe. Just going by what I see in your scores.
I don't think it's that hard. If you don't like formulaic WoW clones like Aion and especially Rift, then you won't like the same game mechanics in SWTOR. Now, if you had loved Rift and listed WoW and rated it highly, too, then I'd say you should buy SWTOR.
I'm waiting on GW2 personally. (Playing Skyrim till then) . I didn't like the SWTOR Beta weekend. Lots of bugs still ect. Dec 20th will not be a good release day for them unless they want the biggest complainers ever in MMO history to befall their MMO.
Some won't mind and more power to them.
SWTOR will die out (Well not die out but become ghost servers) once GW2 releases and everyone flocks to it.
Trust me, seen it before back in 1996-2011 in MMOS.
I really disliked rift, and really liked SWTOR to me they were very different experiences. They play mechanically similar but the experience with the story made it feel vastly different.
I really disliked rift, and really liked SWTOR to me they were very different experiences. They play mechanically similar but the experience with the story made it feel vastly different.
I must admit, the Story and Interaction in SWTOR was great thou.
I'm waiting on GW2 personally. I didn't like the SWTOR Beta weekend. Lots of bugs still ect. Dec 20th will not be a good release day for them unless they want the biggest complainers ever in MMO history to befall their MMO.
Some won't mind and more power to them.
SWTOR will die out (Well not die out but become ghost servers) once GW2 releases and everyone flocks to it.
Trust me, seen it before back in 1996-2011 in MMOS.
To each their own thou.
I like almost everything that GW2 is offering except for one, and that is a dealbreaker. The limitations to the skills one can use. I get why they do it, I just despise it. I don't like those kind of limitations on my character. This was the reason I couldn't get into the original, and this seems to be the only thing they are carrying over to the second, though they have tweeked it some, you are still artificially limited.
You seem pvp oriented and your favorite PvP was in a game that was a free for all with no factions and had an open advancment system with the ability to act ually dodge spells and arrows etc (AC darktide).
This prett darn far off what SWOTOR will be. Frankly AC has cooler Jedi-like gameplay than SWTOR just without the lightsaber. Between the ability to move really fast and dodge and various other things.
Sigh why is a 10+ year old game outdoing most others in actual gameplay? If certain things were modernized (like not needing to manage tons of buffs with outside apps) and the graphics were better I would be playing AC over most games that came out in the last 5-6 years.
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People who give a score 2 / 10 for Rift and 3/10 for Aion better not come to play SWOR.
this isnt wow where you can race lvl to the end? ..my friend you will be eating your words no sooner you log in after 2/ 3 weeks..this is what some / most single player mmorpg players live for..and this game is clearly that..not everyone plays like a sponge and takes in everything the game offers..its a theampark mmo for gods sake..if you dont think there will be maxed / VERY close to maxed players after a few weeks you kidding yourself...and just wait till they plop in the "press to skip cut scene here" button..and if you dont think they will..well your dreaming cuz once every1 starts to complain about it..they will plop it in there..but then again its EA ..who knows how they will react to a mmorpg
Until the story runs out?
I am not dissing the game, but story is finate. I have seen said that class stories are only about say 1/4 of the game, and morality decisions only affect a few cinematics (rather than branching the story).
So even for the RPer, I do not see a long life in TOR.
When is the next expansion expected (more story)? A year? Most gamers will have long sinced completed the existing storylines.
So what is to justify paying month after month, when the story content has run out?
Waffles. Because when a donkey eats one, its hilarious.
And a guy named Impulse... who has purchased 9 mmos already... now you're being hesitant? lol
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Why would I eat my words when most of the people subbing are saying they are here for the story, lol? They aren't trying to speed through it by clicking the spacebar out of convos.. they are actually hoping it goes on LONGER, lol.
Crafting. Exploration. Ship combat. Story. This is all the things people have in addition to PvP.
Of course there will be a few people who race through the game to get firsts. But you seem to act like the majority of mmo players are some sort of hardcore machines racing to get top rank PvP gear.
Just to let you in on a little secret most companies know already.. MOST players don't rush through content on purpose.. they play casually because they have jobs and don't want to stay up all night and wake up the next day, don't shower and get right back on the game.
MOST players do not PvP, although probably about 30-40% do some of it in mmos. Those are pretty much industry knowns. These people who you think are going to leave the game "barren" aren't going to sink it, lol. Just won't happen because most people are playing for escape and story; not blood and glory.
But you keep repeating that "single player" line as if it actually means something or will hamper the game. I'm sure someone will believe it if you say it enough, just not the people actually paying for and playing the game, which in less than two weeks will probably be over 1 million so.. yeah....
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I am not dissing the game, but story is finate.
Err.. no it isn't.
FFXI was a STORY game as far as content.
You did three things in FFXI:
1. Get a party and go grind in a cave, jungle or by a lake for four hours at a time.
2. Craft, which took you months to max.
3. Be part of the story through cutscenes, special missions and events.
Didn't hurt that game much even with as many people saying how boring. Story does not have to "end". Only people running out of ideas end games.
At any time, you should look up Wookiepedia and see just how much Old Republic lore is on file and what they have to draw on.
"TO MICHAEL!"
If you hated Rift, move along. SWTOR will be a mix of Rift and Tabula Rasa in a lot of ways that you will hate.
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I voted that you eat waffles. I will be playing the game myself though. Enjoy your breakfast.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Some waffles sound good right now...
Buy it. MMO launches are so much fun, and even if the gameplay bores you after 1 month you will have gotten your moneys worth. Make sure to pick up some waffles.
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If need others to make your mind up for you, then no don't buy it.
No just wait for the Item shops.
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that is just not true....your class quest is not the only story to be had in the game. every quest is part of the story of the world the game takes place in and all instances and raids have a story that plays out while you are in them. it is obvious that everything in SWTOR takes a back seat to story after you have played for more than a few hours.
if you think SWTOR is a loot treadmill game you are missing the point entirely. pretty sure you havent played it considering your comments though. after playing for quite some time now i can say with conviction that gear is definitely not a priority on the devs list. The mod system allows you to keep gear from very early in the game and just update it with increasingly better stats, which makes hunting down new gear kind of pointless if you have mods from commendations or crafting. You can also just craft a customizable set and then use mods to make it as good as the end game raiding gear with mods. It turns most of the gear into something that is more about vanity than stats.
Going by the scores you gave some of the games on your list, RIFT, for one....I would say no, don't buy this game. I think it will have some similarities to games you seem to really rather loathe. Just going by what I see in your scores.
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I don't think it's that hard. If you don't like formulaic WoW clones like Aion and especially Rift, then you won't like the same game mechanics in SWTOR. Now, if you had loved Rift and listed WoW and rated it highly, too, then I'd say you should buy SWTOR.
I'm waiting on GW2 personally. (Playing Skyrim till then) . I didn't like the SWTOR Beta weekend. Lots of bugs still ect. Dec 20th will not be a good release day for them unless they want the biggest complainers ever in MMO history to befall their MMO.
Some won't mind and more power to them.
SWTOR will die out (Well not die out but become ghost servers) once GW2 releases and everyone flocks to it.
Trust me, seen it before back in 1996-2011 in MMOS.
To each their own thou.
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One Cooking and One Cleaning!"
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strong and able to take on the whole world...
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I really disliked rift, and really liked SWTOR to me they were very different experiences. They play mechanically similar but the experience with the story made it feel vastly different.
I must admit, the Story and Interaction in SWTOR was great thou.
"My Fantasy is having two men at once...
One Cooking and One Cleaning!"
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"A good man can make you feel sexy,
strong and able to take on the whole world...
oh sorry...that's wine...wine does that..."
I like almost everything that GW2 is offering except for one, and that is a dealbreaker. The limitations to the skills one can use. I get why they do it, I just despise it. I don't like those kind of limitations on my character. This was the reason I couldn't get into the original, and this seems to be the only thing they are carrying over to the second, though they have tweeked it some, you are still artificially limited.
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I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
You seem pvp oriented and your favorite PvP was in a game that was a free for all with no factions and had an open advancment system with the ability to act ually dodge spells and arrows etc (AC darktide).
This prett darn far off what SWOTOR will be. Frankly AC has cooler Jedi-like gameplay than SWTOR just without the lightsaber. Between the ability to move really fast and dodge and various other things.
Sigh why is a 10+ year old game outdoing most others in actual gameplay? If certain things were modernized (like not needing to manage tons of buffs with outside apps) and the graphics were better I would be playing AC over most games that came out in the last 5-6 years.