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  • waxmaskwaxmask Member UncommonPosts: 55

    No lollygagging...

  • RequiamerRequiamer Member Posts: 2,034

    Originally posted by dubyahite

    One thing Requaimer. The server can handle a lot more people than they let in, but the starting zones can't. That's why you see complaining that the server list shows low or med pop. Each planet is probably on separate hardware, so overall a server can handle a lot more people, but they are limiting based on the early zones.



    That's why they stopped inviting. Thosenpeople née to get to planet 2 or 3 before the starter zones clear up a bit.

    They are supposed to use some technology to help that like instances.

  • KainisKainis Member Posts: 436

    Originally posted by Requiamer

    Originally posted by dubyahite

    One thing Requaimer. The server can handle a lot more people than they let in, but the starting zones can't. That's why you see complaining that the server list shows low or med pop. Each planet is probably on separate hardware, so overall a server can handle a lot more people, but they are limiting based on the early zones.



    That's why they stopped inviting. Thosenpeople née to get to planet 2 or 3 before the starter zones clear up a bit.

    They are supposed to use some technology to help that like instances.

    Doesn't matter if there are instances or not, the hardware will still register a certain amount of bandwidth to and from the drive that planet is on. The software is what creates the instances, to save itself from crashing. Still have the hardware issues to deal with.

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  • IsnifArmPitsIsnifArmPits Member Posts: 26

    Originally posted by Badgered86

    "A lot of us, myself included, are at work right now. Calm down, things will get busy once NA start getting off work



    Remember, these are TWO extra extra days so everyone's a winner in the end!
    "

    This poor sap actually believes that they decided to out of the goodness of their hearts to give us two "extra" days. Do you? If you're that gullible then I have beach-front property to sell you in Arizona.



    This was all planned from the get-go.  Under-promise and over-deliver.  All (good) design firms (architectural, engineering, graphics, games, etc.) operate under this model.



    Make no mistake, folks.  This is launch day disguised under the marketing ploy of being "early access."  That's the only way they could get around the inevitable backlash that would result from them doing this without the marketing speak cover.



    "This is a big day for us; we are launching Star Wars™: The Old Republic™, BioWare’s largest and most ambitious project to date, and we’re very proud that you’ve been able to join us. It’s an honor to be able to share this game with you.



    A huge team of talented, passionate people at BioWare, Electronic Arts, Lucas Arts as well as many other partners all over the world poured their hearts and souls into this game. We want to thank every single one of them for being part of the team that developed this game; it’s a monumental accomplishment.



    Another group of people that we depended upon was you, the players. We had hundreds of thousands of players spend millions upon millions of hours beta testing this game. Without you we never would have been able to build it; thank you for your contribution. This game is yours just as much as it is ours.



    And finally we want to emphasize that this is just the beginning of a very long journey together. The game is launched, but it’s not done; it will probably never be done as we’re committed to working on Star Wars: The Old Republic in order to keep improving it and delivering exemplary service to you, the customer. It’s going to be a great ride.



    Finally, we can only think of one appropriate way to sign off on this auspicious occasion:



    May the Force be With You!

     

    Ray Muzyka & Greg Zeschuk

    Co-Founders, BioWare
    "



    Imagine if any other game launched but didn't allow everyone who purchased the game to log in on day one.  People would be raging and gaming media would be all over it.  That's exactly what is happening here, except many gamers and media outlets are buying it hook, line, and sinker because they've used marketing lingo to cover up what they're really doing.



    Think critically.  We're being played.

    I suppose youy think the moon landing was fake as well.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by IsnifArmPits

    I suppose youy think the moon landing was fake as well.

    depends WHICH moon landing you are talking about :)

  • fulcrum73fulcrum73 Member Posts: 8

    Originally posted by Cthulhu23

    Originally posted by Badgered86



    Imagine if any other game launched but didn't allow everyone who purchased the game to log in on day one.  People would be raging and gaming media would be all over it.  That's exactly what is happening here, except many gamers and media outlets are buying it hook, line, and sinker because they've used marketing lingo to cover up what they're really doing.



    Think critically.  We're being played.

    Rift had pre-order early access too, they just didn't stagger it.  And they had unbelievably long queue times and a lot of pissed off people.  

    I'm fine with the way they are doing it, as long as people aren't being let in the day before actual launch.

     

     

    sorry, lie somewhere else please, totally false

    Rift's Pre-Release did not have long queue times, they had NO queue times on most if not all their servers during their 5days of pre-release.  The queues started coming in right at launch day. 

    This is a common misstatement that I've been hearing over and over "rift had a long queue at release"  bs its plain bs.

  • kaliniskalinis Member Posts: 1,428

    Originally posted by helthros

    I bet most of the people complaining pre-ordered a few weeks ago too.

    They are . this started on the tor forums and they got no sympathy or support there. i think 5 pcct said theyd cancel if they didnt get in day 1

    so now they start it here. There are like 5 of these threads today under diffrent guises its really pathetic. 

    if they wanted in day 1 they should of done what i did and those in now did pre order early. They had plenty of warning from bioware.

  • PaithanPaithan Member Posts: 377

    Originally posted by fulcrum73

    Originally posted by Cthulhu23


    Originally posted by Badgered86



    Imagine if any other game launched but didn't allow everyone who purchased the game to log in on day one.  People would be raging and gaming media would be all over it.  That's exactly what is happening here, except many gamers and media outlets are buying it hook, line, and sinker because they've used marketing lingo to cover up what they're really doing.



    Think critically.  We're being played.

    Rift had pre-order early access too, they just didn't stagger it.  And they had unbelievably long queue times and a lot of pissed off people.  

    I'm fine with the way they are doing it, as long as people aren't being let in the day before actual launch.

     

     

    sorry, lie somewhere else please, totally false

    Rift's Pre-Release did not have long queue times, they had NO queue times on most if not all their servers during their 5days of pre-release.  The queues started coming in right at launch day. 

    This is a common misstatement that I've been hearing over and over "rift had a long queue at release"  bs its plain bs.

    On the very first day, they had, there where servers with 300+ hours queues, they added alot of servers after the pre-launch started which resolved the issue.

  • lthompson94lthompson94 Member Posts: 194

    Haha, I'm guessing you waited too long to preorder, OP?

     

    That's what you get for lollygagging around.  I'm in from 7:00am today and having a blast.  Bioware made the concept very clear from the beginning.  Can't buy it in the store = not released.  Can't activate subscription = not released.  Haven't paid for the game = not released.  Wow what a clever and deceptive practice!!  Honing up to what you said months ago, not even charging for early access, and allowing first come first serve to access the game?!?!  The horror!!  And oh... my... god... they might even be able to run some final stress testing before the opening day.... someone stop them!!!

     

    Oh, and if the game is "released," just go buy a copy and hop on... oh wait...

  • Badgered86Badgered86 Member UncommonPosts: 175

    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by Badgered86



    Think critically. 

    Think Critically, you are overreacting.

    The level of entitlement that some people have is amazing.

    It's not launch and it's not even the head start. It's just two extra days. No matter their reasons they are adding two days to get things in order.

    If this was launch day I could see people being miffed.

     

    I am "entitled" to something I paid for. Origin has charged me $80. I have paid for the game, but I am not allowed access. Please explain that to me.

  • Badgered86Badgered86 Member UncommonPosts: 175

    Originally posted by lthompson94

    Haha, I'm guessing you waited too long to preorder, OP?

     

    That's what you get for lollygagging around.  I'm in from 7:00am today and having a blast.  Bioware made the concept very clear from the beginning.  Can't buy it in the store = not released.  Can't activate subscription = not released.  Haven't paid for the game = not released.  Wow what a clever and deceptive practice!!  Honing up to what you said months ago, not even charging for early access, and allowing first come first serve to access the game?!?!  The horror!!  And oh... my... god... they might even be able to run some final stress testing before the opening day.... someone stop them!!!

     

    Oh, and if the game is "released," just go buy a copy and hop on... oh wait...

    I didn't even know the game existed until November. My fault for not dedicating my life to all things Star Wars.

    Anyone can walk over to their local GameStop or log into Origin and "pre-order" the game, get a code, and be part of the "early access" crowd. The game is out. They have said themselves that it launched. Re-read the OP and tell me with a straight face that they didn't.

    You can't get a lot of online games at retailers. Does that mean they don't exist or they aren't released? I didn't think so. Your logic is flawed, try again.

  • C1d0sC1d0s Member UncommonPosts: 238

    Originally posted by Badgered86

    Originally posted by Quesa


    Originally posted by Badgered86


    Originally posted by Sovrath


    Originally posted by Badgered86



    Think critically. 

    Think Critically, you are overreacting.

    The level of entitlement that some people have is amazing.

    It's not launch and it's not even the head start. It's just two extra days. No matter their reasons they are adding two days to get things in order.

    If this was launch day I could see people being miffed.

     

    I am "entitled" to something I paid for. Origin has charged me $80. I have paid for the game, but I am not allowed access. Please explain that to me.

    You will be and it will be access prior to the official game release.  You most certainly are part of the entitlement generation.

    So if you paid $80 for a fantastic meal at Melting Pot, but they prevented you from eating it for another one to six days after charging you for it, you'd be okay with that?

    I am entitled to something I paid for. You are part of the ignoramus generation.

    You paid for a game that doesn't officially release until December 20th.

    It is December 13th, which is very clearly not the established release date. It is, in fact, your fault that you are not in Early Access due to your tardiness in actually purchasing and registering the game. Your obliviousness to the game's existence is nobody elses' fault other than your own. That would be like getting mad at Apple for releasing a new Ipod without consulting you beforehand.

    The Early Access date is a launch; therefore, it is reasonable for them to say the game is launched when playable by the aforementioned group. This still does not change their commercial release date for the general public - December 20th.

    Immediate Early Access is a reward for those dedicated or lucky enough to have preordered ASAP.

    Makes sense to me. If you did't order TOO late, you'll still be in a day or so prior to the literal release.

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  • PsylacusPsylacus Member Posts: 13

    Agree with you 100%

  • bestman22bestman22 Member UncommonPosts: 93

    Originally posted by Ezhae

    The game is not launched untill it's officially sold. It's not sold yet. None of people who pre-ordered paid for it yet, and if They are - take it to the shop that billed You since They had no right to do so. Only thing You or anyone else paid for till this day is the pre-order pack, which was advertised as giving early access to the game "Up to 5 days early". Even 1 day is within the "Up to 5 days". 

    Bottom line is : People fail at reading comprehension and change the words to suits their current whim just so They can complain. I'm not the fan of the system EA/BioWare uses for ToR launch, but so far it's pretty what They've been saying for quite a while now. If You ignored it the problem is on Your end, not Their.

    people in europe have the game... some of them had the box in their hot little hands since the 7th.

    if you use the dev tracker on swtor forums ppl that were registering before the 13th were not getting credit for registering their retail code.... hence the game is for sale just not in your local store

    doesnt matter anymore really... the community for swtor is the exact same one as from WOW, couple that with botched launch where the first day invites end at 1pm, and then add in no grace periods when the box gets to store 5 days before xmas (my SO is giving me the game on 25th)  and I have lost a lot of excitement for the game overall... Im not quite at the point yet of telling her leave the box at the store and get me a giftcard to amazon instead yet though, but getting very close to it.... if they only invite till 1pm tomorrow when they start at 8 am I have a feeling thats where I will be though, I just hear too many bad things about EA and this staggered bullshit is over the top....

     

    What do you think is going to happen when they take down the servers at 9:59 eastern on the 19th then put them back up at 12:01 am 20th?  are they going to stagger that too so that the servers can handle the load?  Why are they not prepared to begin with, they know how many preorders they have... open the game up with the servers needed to handle it and just change the full tags to get servers to fill equally... after the box hits retail is when you dont know who is going to be joining up and you might need to throttle stuff, not right now when you have a known quantity to join the game....

    Hell every time the server goes down from now till game gets cancelled there will be a rush on the login server that will create lag/queues... how is staggering the launch going to alleviate that?

  • Badgered86Badgered86 Member UncommonPosts: 175

    Originally posted by CNUChavez

    Originally posted by Badgered86


    Originally posted by CNUChavez


    Originally posted by Badgered86


    Originally posted by Quesa


    Originally posted by Badgered86


    Originally posted by Sovrath


    Originally posted by Badgered86



    Think critically. 

    Think Critically, you are overreacting.

    The level of entitlement that some people have is amazing.

    It's not launch and it's not even the head start. It's just two extra days. No matter their reasons they are adding two days to get things in order.

    If this was launch day I could see people being miffed.

     

    I am "entitled" to something I paid for. Origin has charged me $80. I have paid for the game, but I am not allowed access. Please explain that to me.

    You will be and it will be access prior to the official game release.  You most certainly are part of the entitlement generation.

    So if you paid $80 for a fantastic meal at Melting Pot, but they prevented you from eating it for another one to six days after charging you for it, you'd be okay with that?

    I am entitled to something I paid for. You are part of the ignoramus generation.

    Is your meal at melting pot going to be around for the next couple of years?

    Unrelated. Way to deflect. Answer the question or get lost, fanboy.



    You can tell this guy is crazy, anyone who points out gaping flaws in his analogy is a fanboy.  I have no interest in SWTOR because for me it brings nothing new, I havent ordered and I don't plan to either.

    Your analogy is terrible because you compare someone buying a service that is supposed to last YEARS and you being delayed a few days to a meal that you order and should be ready for eaten and gone in a few hours

    Because I'm bored show with MATH why you are wrong.

    Lets say the average life of  SWTOR is 2 years

    Lets say the average sit down dinner is 2 hours

    365 days in a year x 2 = 730

    MMO was 7 days late.  7 / 730 = .00958

    2 hours = 120 minutes.   120 * .00958 = 1.14 minutes (take away the .004 because im lazy) = 1.1 = 1 minute and 6 seconds.

     

    Anyone who goes to a dinner and is told their dinner will be ready in 15 minutes and it turns out their dinner is ready in 15 minutes  while their partners is ready in 13 minutes and 54 secondsand then ends up foaming at the mouth like you are is a NUTCASE.

    Anyone who buys an MMO that is told they will be able to play on day X and it turns out they can play the game on day X while others can play on day x -7  and then ends up foaming at the mouth like you are is a NUTCASE.

     

    I'm fairly certain you and the other imbecile are the insane ones here. You actually find it acceptable to be charged for an item and be prohibited to use it until the purveyor of the item sees fit.

    You're mad. You focus all of your time and energy on a matter completely unrelated (an apparent flaw in my analogy) to the subject at hand. Good job contributing absolutely nothing to do the original post. You should be proud. Here, have a trophy!

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  • sbantingsbanting Member Posts: 238

    I knew people would complain about this, and knew they didn't have a leg to stand on to justify their complaints either, day ONE of the preorder hey said that early access would be given to those who preorder first staggering the people that get into the game from the date they preordered.

    Currently, to my understanding they have only let in July's preorders, in 5 waves, over the course of the day, tomorrow they will let in the next batch of people, probably of the whole of August, then on the next day, the next month or possibly 2 depending on how many ppl preordered over those months and how the servers are taking it at the time.

    This is a very clever, thought out process, its not a botched launch, as we aren't even at the "5 days" nor at the 20th, soooooo this isn't even launch, this is early access, no one knows when you'll get in, but from day one they said it was first come first served. I preordered on the 25th, and I was added on the 4th wave today, my mrs was the 27th and got in on the 5th wave. Happy days!

    Oh I forgot to add, if they have taken money out of ur account, its because the box is currently in the post to you, not exactly anyones fault there, and still when u preorder any game, you pay before u recieve it...

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  • dubyahitedubyahite Member UncommonPosts: 2,483
    First off if you look at the preorder FAQ you will see that the 80 dollar charge was a hold that was released. You won't be charged until Friday. Go study your bank account before making false claims.

    Second, if you don't like paying for a game you can't play.....then why the hell did you preorder.

    You know that's what a preorder is right. Paying for a game you can play yet because it's not out.

    Were you crying and foaming at the mouth before early access when you "paid for a game you couldn't play?"

    Your argument makes no sense at all. Chill out and be patient. You'll get in.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by sbanting

    I knew people would complain about this, and knew they didn't have a leg to stand on to justify their complaints either, day ONE of the preorder they said that early access would be given to those who preorder first staggering the people that get into the game from the date they preordered.

    /thread?

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  • ColdSunColdSun Member Posts: 210

    Personally, I think they are smart to stagger it by when you pre-ordered the game.  I don't know why some of you are in such a rush that you have to attack the people who made the game for you to play.  Its not going anywhere.  Who gives a crap?  Its not a race, its a GAME.  Have FUN.  You will have plenty of time to dominate others.

    P.S.  I ordered the game a week ago.

    ColdSun

  • kaibigan34kaibigan34 Member Posts: 1,508

    I cant believe this thread.... Everyone siding with the OP here is a bit info for you...

    They advertised this at the beginning. Preorder and get early access to the game on a first come first serve basis. This isnt some sneaky trick they threw at us a few days before like the "No grace period" thing. They have even said months ago this was to get a staggered launch. How much more truthful do you want to be on this? They have already admitted its to get people in the game without that mad dash to the servers on one day. They have even said they will be opening more servers as the ones they have fill up to help it even more.

    Sheesh... I think we have here is some people that preordered late are wishing they had done it early. And now are trying to blame Bioware for it. They see all those light and standard servers and think Bioware should let them in too. If they did that, there wouldnt be plenty of room.

    Lets say they did start allowing more and more players in. But whoops full now. Cant let anyone else in. So what about those people that are left out? That really isnt fair to them. Guess long as you got in who cares right?

    You all knew it going into this thing. So dont act all victimized now.

    Kai

  • Cyberdeck7Cyberdeck7 Member UncommonPosts: 239

    I think y'all are being trained to pre-order whatever they're selling next as early as possible, no questions asked.

    If you pre-ordered on day 1, you're happy you did and satisfied seeing all this crap on the forums. It justifies the moronic act of buying something sight un-seen.

    If you didn't pre-order on day 1 you're either frothing, angry or just waiting patiently. If you're waiting for it at all it means you wish that you'd ordered sooner. It encourges you to jump the gun next time.

    If you didn't pre-order and aren't waiting/ watching the forums, you're not the demographic they're trying to train. You're training will come when you get owned for weeks in PvP.

    Just another conspiracy theory. FSM help them if they do this to their most rabid fans and then have a horrible launch anyways.

     

    for the record, I preordered Nov 28th after I had a chance to play the game. I don't regret the decision to wait. I just see that a lot of you do and I think that what you're feeling is planned.

  • VryheidVryheid Member UncommonPosts: 469

    The answer is simple, just PvE until you hit max level and then move over. Aren't games supposed to be fun regardless of who accesses them first?

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by Cyberdeck7

    I think y'all are being trained to pre-order whatever they're selling next as early as possible, no questions asked.

    If you pre-ordered on day 1, you're happy you did and satisfied seeing all this crap on the forums. It justifies the moronic act of buying something sight un-seen.

    If you didn't pre-order on day 1 you're either frothing, angry or just waiting patiently. If you're waiting for it at all it means you wish that you'd ordered sooner. It encourges you to jump the gun next time.

    If you didn't pre-order and aren't waiting/ watching the forums, you're not the demographic they're trying to train. You're training will come when you get owned for weeks in PvP.

    Just another conspiracy theory. FSM help them if they do this to their most rabid fans and then have a horrible launch anyways.

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  • C1d0sC1d0s Member UncommonPosts: 238

    Originally posted by Cyberdeck7

    I think y'all are being trained to pre-order whatever they're selling next as early as possible, no questions asked.

    If you pre-ordered on day 1, you're happy you did and satisfied seeing all this crap on the forums. It justifies the moronic act of buying something sight un-seen.

    If you didn't pre-order on day 1 you're either frothing, angry or just waiting patiently. If you're waiting for it at all it means you wish that you'd ordered sooner. It encourges you to jump the gun next time.

    If you didn't pre-order and aren't waiting/ watching the forums, you're not the demographic they're trying to train. You're training will come when you get owned for weeks in PvP.

    Just another conspiracy theory. FSM help them if they do this to their most rabid fans and then have a horrible launch anyways.

    I'd hardly call it training.

    There are so many other companies already utilizing, and that have been, this idea of Early Access / Special Rewards for immediate / limited-time preorders.

    I preordered and wasn't available for this wave of EA activations, but you don't see me raging up and down the halls claiming I'm entitled to anything.

    A lot of people are just upset, and I bet if Bioware sent them an e-mail saying: "We're sorry. Wanna play now?" They'd suck it up and forget everything they were angry about. But what do you expect? If anything, I suppose it's a sign that people REALLY want to play the game - that's never a bad thing, huh?

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  • ColdSunColdSun Member Posts: 210

    I'm not trained.  I ordered it last week.  When I felt the game was worth buying.  It took me a long time to come to a decision.  Early entry isn't going to force me to buy the game sooner.  I don't give a rat's arse if people are higher level than I am.  Its the journey for me, not the ending.

    ColdSun

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