I dont plan to play this game for at least 6 months, if at all, but if I do I would like to start on a RP server which is configured so that you cannot use the spacebar to skip the cutscenes.
Is that technically possible to do?
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I have to agree with some others, stop doing pugs. Or dont' do them with people who are not of like mind.
Join a guild of like minded people. It might take a bit of effort, a bit of homework on your part but people who join guilds that essentially just advertise might be in for dissapointment.
I reluctantly do pug's and if I do then I always keep my expactations sub-basement level.
that's often the easiest thing to SAY and the hardest thing to do. most people who say that are exactly the kind of people the OP was upset with. i've been playing mmos for longer than a lot of kids around here have been alive (it seems) and my wife and i have been there done that. these days we've ditched guilds, ditched pugs and ditched doing dungeons.
we never even saw the dungeons from the last two expansions of wow despite playing it through. and the reason is because no matter how many guilds we joined, or how many pugs we did, everyone was too single-minded. even casual guilds are single-minded (except they're usually single-mindedly off doing their own thing and not particularly interested in doing anything as guild other than chatting and whining). the main goal always seemed to be speed, loot, and raging on each other.
these days, it's almost as if everyone doing a dungeon has a stopwatch and a set of cameras aimed at you and they're outraged that you're a half-second behind them because you stopped to look at the view. or, heaven forbid, you haven't "learnt the fight" yet by watching it on youtube, reading about it in wiki, or already run it 1000 times.
in our experience, it never mattered how many guilds we joined.
we'll still be playing swtor, despite anything anyone says in negative. we love mmos. we'll play anything. but we're pretty sure that, judging by the system it's implemented, we'll be skipping its dungeons. again. which is sad and sometimes irritating, but we choose our classes for our personal fun factor. not to live up to the expectations of others.
and, though you're sick of hearing it, and i'm sick of saying it, it's why we're so very much looking forward to gw2, where classes will be less integral to success and you can join multiple guilds and just join in on the big fun without having to "know the fight", "respec according to x site", or "get this armour first" or some other lame excuse to be excluded. we're hoping to finally find a game where we can see more of the world than current games allow.
I did notice tha they edited a whole boss and room from Black talon flashpoint. In beta..all 3 I participated in...the first hard boss was a giant droid in a large room with mobs to the left and right that you took down first. Then midway smaller droids fall down then explode next to you doing major damage. It was a fun and difficult fight the first 2 betas....they toned it down in November when I played....the next major boss was the Jedi woman I think who was pretty tough too. Then Tuesday when i did the Flashpoint..they still had a droid..smaller...but not as tough.The ship layout was different..I don't even think the original room is in the instance any longer. The jedi woman was pretty easy too....just took a while to wear down.
It's possible the droid boss from The Black Talon was removed because it is very similar to the mining droid boss from the Hammer Station Flashpoint..down to exploding probe droids.
I have to agree with some others, stop doing pugs. Or dont' do them with people who are not of like mind.
Join a guild of like minded people. It might take a bit of effort, a bit of homework on your part but people who join guilds that essentially just advertise might be in for dissapointment.
I reluctantly do pug's and if I do then I always keep my expactations sub-basement level.
that's often the easiest thing to SAY and the hardest thing to do.
*the rest of the post*
Well, I think there is a difficulty to joining a like minded guild. However, most of the guilds I have been a part of were of "like minded people'.
does that mean I'm special and lucky?
no.
It does mean that i have no patience for nonsense. I just don't. So in order to have a good experience I do my research. I look at guild recruit threads, I look at the posts that the leaders and members post, I go to their websites and if I do join I do it like I'm dating someone.
I'm a pretty loyal person up to the point where "it's not you it's me" needs to be said.
Too many people just join guilds that are recruiting just to be a part of something. They don't do their research, they are impatient, they aren't willing to look beyond things like the guild is active and has a funny leader or is a top guild.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen posts from players who were besides themselves because their leader screwed them over and they "thougth these guys were their friends". Except anyone who had eyes wide open fully knew that the particular guild in queston was run by jerks and jerks who loved to grief people.
so here they are joining a griefer guild, probably to be a part of this type of game play, and they are surprised that they were "dicked over".
I've told this story before, but when I first joined warhammer online someone spammed me an invite. I told them that I was just trying the game out and wanted to so more research on the different guilds that were available in the game. My response? "It's not a major life decision!"
But it is. How major? Well, not as major as getting married or changing careers but it is major in light of my gaming experience.
I don't have to be a part of a guild. I can enjoy myself "by myself" because I can. Being in a good guild is incredible. Being in a good guild with like minded players and players who you might play with for several years over time is incredible.
But like any relationship you have to take it as a relationship. Good relationships, whether friendships or romantic or co-workers are hard to come by. They just are. But they are worth it when one takes the time to find these people.
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I'm so glad some people agree. I might have to start being stubborn and refusing to spacebar.
I certainly will be when I try a new flashpoint. I wonder how many groups I'll be dumped from?
That's all there is to it.. Respectfully decline.. Of course it may bring out the "League of Legends" in some people and they will call you every name in the book, but I am sure you could deal with a few unhappy people while you enjoy the storyline..
What are they gonna do? Report you for watching cutscenes?
Ultimately, MMOs are not about whether the story is interesting but whether the world in which that story is told is interesting.
So very true and the lifeless world is the biggest problem with SWTOR IMHO, Neither the Bounty Hunter or Jedi Knight stories that I have been playing are even that interesting and ontop of that the world itself is lifeless and dull. The fact that Traveling feels like its purely on rails because the areas are so enclosed doesnt help either, sure you can go a little off the "path" and Ive found hidden caches of equipment and some unusual enemies but they generally are not that far off the railroad you are travelling on.
I am quite dissapointed with SWTOR and I think the fact this is an MMO has stifled the usually great story telling Bioware is known for.
I for one will not be redeeming my box code on launch day and will be holding onto it in hopes things improve, failing that at least the queu times wont be massive when I decide to play through the single player storyline of my choice.
I did notice tha they edited a whole boss and room from Black talon flashpoint. In beta..all 3 I participated in...the first hard boss was a giant droid in a large room with mobs to the left and right that you took down first. Then midway smaller droids fall down then explode next to you doing major damage. It was a fun and difficult fight the first 2 betas....they toned it down in November when I played....the next major boss was the Jedi woman I think who was pretty tough too. Then Tuesday when i did the Flashpoint..they still had a droid..smaller...but not as tough.The ship layout was different..I don't even think the original room is in the instance any longer. The jedi woman was pretty easy too....just took a while to wear down.
It's possible the droid boss from The Black Talon was removed because it is very similar to the mining droid boss from the Hammer Station Flashpoint..down to exploding probe droids.
Anyone else notice this change?
If your group saves the Captain, you don't get to fight that robot boss, and the flashpoint plays a little differently.
They didn't change it, it's always branched like that.
Black Talon hardly qualifies as a flashpoint, been there a number of times both in beta and EGA. It's an easy one with no special strategies required and people just rush it so that they can continue on to Dromund Kaas.
Besides, after visiting the place with my BH for like 5 or 6 times i skipped the cinematics as well.
Funny thing though, you don't HAVE to do the flashpoints. It's not the fastest way to level. All the people who want to skip should go stick to playing solo. In beta, I did Black Talon and Esseles but this time around, I am level 20 already and haven't touched a single flashpoint. Not because I don't want to, but because of the people in a hurry for nothing.
After EGA when the people not buying tha game flush out, then I may go back and do a few. Mostly with friends though.
Are you suggesting people didn't know this all along? Link me some threads where people actually argued against such a point. There's no big secret that these people exist within the MMO community, they've populated every game, especially at release. They're the same people who will be on these forums in two weeks whining about endgame. They'll be the first people to quit as well, I'm sure.
The only thing I can think of said that would generate such a reaction toward you would be you projecting this mentality on everyone, as well as stating your opinion as fact ( about the quality of features/longevity/etc...).
Ever stop to think many of the reactions you get may not be about what you say, instead they're a result of how you say it?
If people have a problem figuring out facts from opinions, they shouldnt be on a forum to begin with.
Unlike a better poster I match the persons tone in which I am debating, its got me warnings for trolling in the past, but making outrageous claims should be classified as a form of trolling in itself. I very very rarely start a debate, most of my posts are comments on other peoples posts, I really dont really have much to say to the cautiously optimistic fans. But over zealous fangirls get me replying the majority of time. Thus those types cant handel anything negative being posted so they lash back and they are all over.
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If people have a problem figuring out facts from opinions, they shouldnt be on a forum to begin with.
Unlike a better poster I match the persons tone in which I am debating, its got me warnings for trolling in the past, but making outrageous claims should be classified as a form of trolling in itself. I very very rarely start a debate, most of my posts are comments on other peoples posts, I really dont really have much to say to the cautiously optimistic fans. But over zealous fangirls get me replying the majority of time. Thus those types cant handel anything negative being posted so they lash back and they are all over.
I see what you're saying, most of my older posts are replies to outrageous claims as well. I tended to shy away from the labels though (fanbois, haters , etc..) those tend to set an uneeded heated argument off.
At this point I've learned to leave a majority of the posts that raise my eyebrow alone. Those with extreme views are the worst sort to try and have a conversation with, no matter how civil your tone. You're right they are all over, many are on my block list though .
I'd just suggest saving yourself the headache and stick to discussing things with the sensible posters around, of which there are plenty.
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So I've just done a few walkthroughs of Black Talon and the most commonly seen word in chat is spacebar...and it's more often than not abbreviated or capitalised.
It's starting to get old.
But it's not just that.
It's the constant need to rush through the flashpoint as well. There's no organisation, just impatience. It's easy, yes, and many have done it umpteen times, but calm down people. Also, don't forget there will be people that haven't run it. Someone may just want to see the scripting and take their time.
Personally, one of the things that I liked in beta was that grouping seemed slowed down a bit. It was a nice change. So many MMOs of the past 8 years have been all about completing objectives and rushing on to the next. SWTOR is currently speeding that up even further, and it's not the fault of the game, but of the community.
I really hope this doesn't become the norm for all flashpoints or I'm going to lose interest in what I think is a good game. I just don't want it to be a rushed game.
Slow down and enjoy people. It's not really a long mission...as some people have been claiming...is it? I suppose it is if 45 minutes is a long time. I don't think it is.
Thats one thing what is different to WoW or other older mmos for example and it reminds me on the game Tabula Rasa..AoC and such types of games, people just did quick finish the quests in a row without much communication and socializing. There was a huge rush and you felt more like in a single player game since you could do a lot alone and only sometimes you grouped up for a short time. WoW had some kind of soul, more slowed down gameplay....but the world was also a lot more interesting, already in the first 10 levels.
There is also one reason why such quick quest gameplay exists, its just too easy to find everything. You have everything on your map, nothing to discover you just get guided on rails...well its a different type of mmo. Its just an instanced world, at least what I did see in lower levels, and not really a persistant world. Game world doesnt suck me in so far, I miss the "mojo", the soul of it and interaction with the game world itself. You cant enter most buildings, there is a red wall or green wall for rooms.."only for xx class", animals or npc just standing around doing nothing...i mean this is not really an immersive world so far, it feels steril.
This is why, despite being a massive fan of Star Wars and both of the KOTOR games, I'll happily keep playing Skyrim instead and just bypass SWTOR. "The masses" are just a bunch of results-oriented lemmings. Where's the fun in playing a game whose very nature is "It's meant to be played with other people, it's an MMO!" when those other people will just ruin the experience for you anyways?
What you're dealing with is ALOT of beta testers. That and people that were testing during the open weekend.
It won't be as bad during official release because many of the people that aren't in early release haven't played through alot fo the low level content umpteen times.
That and all the people that just have to play early release will be out of the starting zones for the most part.
This is one of the reasons why I never pre-ordered despite knowing I'll be at my local Best Buy as it opens on Tuesday.
I have to agree with some others, stop doing pugs. Or dont' do them with people who are not of like mind.
Join a guild of like minded people. It might take a bit of effort, a bit of homework on your part but people who join guilds that essentially just advertise might be in for dissapointment.
I reluctantly do pug's and if I do then I always keep my expactations sub-basement level.
The problem is I like PUGs, I have done since the days of EQ. Okay so the community of MMOs has altered somewhat but the whole idea behind these games is joining up with new people. It's sad that the communities of these games have changed so much, or maybe I'm just old.
As for finding a guild, well it's probably something I have to do. I'll need to be thorough in my search in order to find the right guild, but I maybe need to draw myself away from PUGs in this day and age of communities of kids obsessed with sex (they really are...read general chat).
It's just a shame that the friendly old PUG has come to this.
in the recent years mmorpgs have programmed us that the END game is where the fun begins. with easy leveling, fast paced combat, and boring quests. people just want this part over. they want to be gettting the "epic" loots so they can pwning newbies or raid harder baddies for better loot. if they think some silly cutscenes / lore are going to stop / slow down people they are mistaken.
you might care about game lore, but most people dont care about game lore or the leveling proccess. how many lvl 85 in WoW with full epics even know the lore of WoW. not many. or for any game for that matter. how many max level characters in EQ2 know the eq lore.
most people would just start at max level if they could.
hate all you want but its the games and the game developers that set this mind set in the players. so dont blame the players for failed game design, and brainwashing players so that they need to acquire the best gear.
acquiring the best gear is what makes people race and its the "carrot on a stick" that developers use to keep people subbing month after month. to get that next new toy. so this is our mind set now when it comes to these games. even if you tell yourself that you dont take part in it you do on some level, you are happy when you get a new upgrade to your gear. it is just that some people take it to a next level, and put more effort into it then you.
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I dont plan to play this game for at least 6 months, if at all, but if I do I would like to start on a RP server which is configured so that you cannot use the spacebar to skip the cutscenes.
Is that technically possible to do?
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The impatience inherent in the formation of pickup groups is indicative of the sort of people that you'll end up with, I think.
This is one of the few very good reasons for the formation of guilds.
that's often the easiest thing to SAY and the hardest thing to do. most people who say that are exactly the kind of people the OP was upset with. i've been playing mmos for longer than a lot of kids around here have been alive (it seems) and my wife and i have been there done that. these days we've ditched guilds, ditched pugs and ditched doing dungeons.
we never even saw the dungeons from the last two expansions of wow despite playing it through. and the reason is because no matter how many guilds we joined, or how many pugs we did, everyone was too single-minded. even casual guilds are single-minded (except they're usually single-mindedly off doing their own thing and not particularly interested in doing anything as guild other than chatting and whining). the main goal always seemed to be speed, loot, and raging on each other.
these days, it's almost as if everyone doing a dungeon has a stopwatch and a set of cameras aimed at you and they're outraged that you're a half-second behind them because you stopped to look at the view. or, heaven forbid, you haven't "learnt the fight" yet by watching it on youtube, reading about it in wiki, or already run it 1000 times.
in our experience, it never mattered how many guilds we joined.
we'll still be playing swtor, despite anything anyone says in negative. we love mmos. we'll play anything. but we're pretty sure that, judging by the system it's implemented, we'll be skipping its dungeons. again. which is sad and sometimes irritating, but we choose our classes for our personal fun factor. not to live up to the expectations of others.
and, though you're sick of hearing it, and i'm sick of saying it, it's why we're so very much looking forward to gw2, where classes will be less integral to success and you can join multiple guilds and just join in on the big fun without having to "know the fight", "respec according to x site", or "get this armour first" or some other lame excuse to be excluded. we're hoping to finally find a game where we can see more of the world than current games allow.
I did notice tha they edited a whole boss and room from Black talon flashpoint. In beta..all 3 I participated in...the first hard boss was a giant droid in a large room with mobs to the left and right that you took down first. Then midway smaller droids fall down then explode next to you doing major damage. It was a fun and difficult fight the first 2 betas....they toned it down in November when I played....the next major boss was the Jedi woman I think who was pretty tough too. Then Tuesday when i did the Flashpoint..they still had a droid..smaller...but not as tough.The ship layout was different..I don't even think the original room is in the instance any longer. The jedi woman was pretty easy too....just took a while to wear down.
It's possible the droid boss from The Black Talon was removed because it is very similar to the mining droid boss from the Hammer Station Flashpoint..down to exploding probe droids.
Anyone else notice this change?
Well, I think there is a difficulty to joining a like minded guild. However, most of the guilds I have been a part of were of "like minded people'.
does that mean I'm special and lucky?
no.
It does mean that i have no patience for nonsense. I just don't. So in order to have a good experience I do my research. I look at guild recruit threads, I look at the posts that the leaders and members post, I go to their websites and if I do join I do it like I'm dating someone.
I'm a pretty loyal person up to the point where "it's not you it's me" needs to be said.
Too many people just join guilds that are recruiting just to be a part of something. They don't do their research, they are impatient, they aren't willing to look beyond things like the guild is active and has a funny leader or is a top guild.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen posts from players who were besides themselves because their leader screwed them over and they "thougth these guys were their friends". Except anyone who had eyes wide open fully knew that the particular guild in queston was run by jerks and jerks who loved to grief people.
so here they are joining a griefer guild, probably to be a part of this type of game play, and they are surprised that they were "dicked over".
I've told this story before, but when I first joined warhammer online someone spammed me an invite. I told them that I was just trying the game out and wanted to so more research on the different guilds that were available in the game. My response? "It's not a major life decision!"
But it is. How major? Well, not as major as getting married or changing careers but it is major in light of my gaming experience.
I don't have to be a part of a guild. I can enjoy myself "by myself" because I can. Being in a good guild is incredible. Being in a good guild with like minded players and players who you might play with for several years over time is incredible.
But like any relationship you have to take it as a relationship. Good relationships, whether friendships or romantic or co-workers are hard to come by. They just are. But they are worth it when one takes the time to find these people.
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Can we please leave the dooming and glooming for six months after launch?
People are fickle and only time will tell.
That's all there is to it.. Respectfully decline.. Of course it may bring out the "League of Legends" in some people and they will call you every name in the book, but I am sure you could deal with a few unhappy people while you enjoy the storyline..
What are they gonna do? Report you for watching cutscenes?
So very true and the lifeless world is the biggest problem with SWTOR IMHO, Neither the Bounty Hunter or Jedi Knight stories that I have been playing are even that interesting and ontop of that the world itself is lifeless and dull. The fact that Traveling feels like its purely on rails because the areas are so enclosed doesnt help either, sure you can go a little off the "path" and Ive found hidden caches of equipment and some unusual enemies but they generally are not that far off the railroad you are travelling on.
I am quite dissapointed with SWTOR and I think the fact this is an MMO has stifled the usually great story telling Bioware is known for.
I for one will not be redeeming my box code on launch day and will be holding onto it in hopes things improve, failing that at least the queu times wont be massive when I decide to play through the single player storyline of my choice.
If your group saves the Captain, you don't get to fight that robot boss, and the flashpoint plays a little differently.
They didn't change it, it's always branched like that.
how hard it can be? when creating group look for people who will / wont spacebar only ><
Black Talon hardly qualifies as a flashpoint, been there a number of times both in beta and EGA. It's an easy one with no special strategies required and people just rush it so that they can continue on to Dromund Kaas.
Besides, after visiting the place with my BH for like 5 or 6 times i skipped the cinematics as well.
Funny thing though, you don't HAVE to do the flashpoints. It's not the fastest way to level. All the people who want to skip should go stick to playing solo. In beta, I did Black Talon and Esseles but this time around, I am level 20 already and haven't touched a single flashpoint. Not because I don't want to, but because of the people in a hurry for nothing.
After EGA when the people not buying tha game flush out, then I may go back and do a few. Mostly with friends though.
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If people have a problem figuring out facts from opinions, they shouldnt be on a forum to begin with.
Unlike a better poster I match the persons tone in which I am debating, its got me warnings for trolling in the past, but making outrageous claims should be classified as a form of trolling in itself. I very very rarely start a debate, most of my posts are comments on other peoples posts, I really dont really have much to say to the cautiously optimistic fans. But over zealous fangirls get me replying the majority of time. Thus those types cant handel anything negative being posted so they lash back
and they are all over.
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I see what you're saying, most of my older posts are replies to outrageous claims as well. I tended to shy away from the labels though (fanbois, haters , etc..) those tend to set an uneeded heated argument off.
At this point I've learned to leave a majority of the posts that raise my eyebrow alone. Those with extreme views are the worst sort to try and have a conversation with, no matter how civil your tone. You're right they are all over, many are on my block list though
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I'd just suggest saving yourself the headache and stick to discussing things with the sensible posters around, of which there are plenty.
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Thats one thing what is different to WoW or other older mmos for example and it reminds me on the game Tabula Rasa..AoC and such types of games, people just did quick finish the quests in a row without much communication and socializing. There was a huge rush and you felt more like in a single player game since you could do a lot alone and only sometimes you grouped up for a short time. WoW had some kind of soul, more slowed down gameplay....but the world was also a lot more interesting, already in the first 10 levels.
There is also one reason why such quick quest gameplay exists, its just too easy to find everything. You have everything on your map, nothing to discover you just get guided on rails...well its a different type of mmo. Its just an instanced world, at least what I did see in lower levels, and not really a persistant world. Game world doesnt suck me in so far, I miss the "mojo", the soul of it and interaction with the game world itself. You cant enter most buildings, there is a red wall or green wall for rooms.."only for xx class", animals or npc just standing around doing nothing...i mean this is not really an immersive world so far, it feels steril.
This is why, despite being a massive fan of Star Wars and both of the KOTOR games, I'll happily keep playing Skyrim instead and just bypass SWTOR. "The masses" are just a bunch of results-oriented lemmings. Where's the fun in playing a game whose very nature is "It's meant to be played with other people, it's an MMO!" when those other people will just ruin the experience for you anyways?
What you're dealing with is ALOT of beta testers. That and people that were testing during the open weekend.
It won't be as bad during official release because many of the people that aren't in early release haven't played through alot fo the low level content umpteen times.
That and all the people that just have to play early release will be out of the starting zones for the most part.
This is one of the reasons why I never pre-ordered despite knowing I'll be at my local Best Buy as it opens on Tuesday.
The problem is I like PUGs, I have done since the days of EQ. Okay so the community of MMOs has altered somewhat but the whole idea behind these games is joining up with new people. It's sad that the communities of these games have changed so much, or maybe I'm just old.
As for finding a guild, well it's probably something I have to do. I'll need to be thorough in my search in order to find the right guild, but I maybe need to draw myself away from PUGs in this day and age of communities of kids obsessed with sex (they really are...read general chat).
It's just a shame that the friendly old PUG has come to this.
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in the recent years mmorpgs have programmed us that the END game is where the fun begins. with easy leveling, fast paced combat, and boring quests. people just want this part over. they want to be gettting the "epic" loots so they can pwning newbies or raid harder baddies for better loot. if they think some silly cutscenes / lore are going to stop / slow down people they are mistaken.
you might care about game lore, but most people dont care about game lore or the leveling proccess. how many lvl 85 in WoW with full epics even know the lore of WoW. not many. or for any game for that matter. how many max level characters in EQ2 know the eq lore.
most people would just start at max level if they could.
hate all you want but its the games and the game developers that set this mind set in the players. so dont blame the players for failed game design, and brainwashing players so that they need to acquire the best gear.
acquiring the best gear is what makes people race and its the "carrot on a stick" that developers use to keep people subbing month after month. to get that next new toy. so this is our mind set now when it comes to these games. even if you tell yourself that you dont take part in it you do on some level, you are happy when you get a new upgrade to your gear. it is just that some people take it to a next level, and put more effort into it then you.