I mean they did promise over 200 hours of story-content, now it turns out its only around 30 hours of -unique- story content with the rest being shared by all players/classes.
I'd be inclined to call it disingenious marketing.
I don't think they did promise that, just a rough average estimate of 200 hours to level cap. Some people just interpreted it as 200 hours of unique story content. They weren't really all that vague, some people were just so overhyped they couldn't interpret statements for what they were.
I mean they did promise over 200 hours of story-content, now it turns out its only around 30 hours of -unique- story content with the rest being shared by all players/classes.
I'd be inclined to call it disingenious marketing.
I don't think they did promise that, just a rough average estimate of 200 hours to level cap. Some people just interpreted it as 200 hours of unique story content. They weren't really all that vague, some people were just so overhyped they couldn't interpret statements for what they were.
I think once people realize that TOR really isnt all that different then any other themepark MMO on the market population will die down alot. Without cut-scenes TOR is just a new AAA themepark MMO with EA / Bioware / Star Wars stamped on the cover to bring in more profit. It brings nothing new or inventive to the genre unfortionately.
So the idea of playing an alt for their class story sounded awesome to me at first, but I've got to tell you, the thoughts of having to go back through some of these zones just feels icky. The first time through was helped by the story of the quests, but if you've already seen that once, twice, three times before, that whole extra is kind of over with - and some of this questing and zones just are NOT very fun.
agreed starter zones are pretty bland and it makes it hard to want to go through them again.. even as differn't class.. I did bounty hunter during beta then imperial agent for pre-release.. Hutta is just dreadfull...
What I'm doing to counter balance that a bit is to roll a different AC for each class on the other side. For example, if I chose a Jedi Consular Shadow for Pub, then I roll a Sith Inquisitor Sorcerer on Imp side. Also, on my second time through with an alt, I'm doing more leveling through class quests, flash points, space combat, and PvP then I did the first time through, where I mainly concentrated on Class and Side quests. This way, I am able to skip a large portion of content in terms of side quests. Not sure I could deal with doing EVERY Coruscant quest again.
So the idea of playing an alt for their class story sounded awesome to me at first, but I've got to tell you, the thoughts of having to go back through some of these zones just feels icky. The first time through was helped by the story of the quests, but if you've already seen that once, twice, three times before, that whole extra is kind of over with - and some of this questing and zones just are NOT very fun.
agreed starter zones are pretty bland and it makes it hard to want to go through them again.. even as differn't class.. I did bounty hunter during beta then imperial agent for pre-release.. Hutta is just dreadfull...
What I'm doing to counter balance that a bit is to roll a different AC for each class on the other side. For example, if I chose a Jedi Consular Shadow for Pub, then I roll a Sith Inquisitor Sorcerer on Imp side. Also, on my second time through with an alt, I'm doing more leveling through class quests, flash points, space combat, and PvP then I did the first time through, where I mainly concentrated on Class and Side quests. This way, I am able to skip a large portion of content in terms of side quests. Not sure I could deal with doing EVERY Coruscant quest again.
Kind of funny, I agree with parts of all of these quotes. I did not mind Tython. However I despise Taris, and so after my main - I am also levelling alts just with the main quest line and space combat as well as flash points. I have not played a huge amount, enough to get my Scoundrel to 30, but I am thoroughly enjoying myself. This will keep me busy for a while.
So the idea of playing an alt for their class story sounded awesome to me at first, but I've got to tell you, the thoughts of having to go back through some of these zones just feels icky. The first time through was helped by the story of the quests, but if you've already seen that once, twice, three times before, that whole extra is kind of over with - and some of this questing and zones just are NOT very fun.
agreed starter zones are pretty bland and it makes it hard to want to go through them again.. even as differn't class.. I did bounty hunter during beta then imperial agent for pre-release.. Hutta is just dreadfull...
What I'm doing to counter balance that a bit is to roll a different AC for each class on the other side. For example, if I chose a Jedi Consular Shadow for Pub, then I roll a Sith Inquisitor Sorcerer on Imp side. Also, on my second time through with an alt, I'm doing more leveling through class quests, flash points, space combat, and PvP then I did the first time through, where I mainly concentrated on Class and Side quests. This way, I am able to skip a large portion of content in terms of side quests. Not sure I could deal with doing EVERY Coruscant quest again.
basically what I'm doing as well.. hopefully they will release more planets soon to help break up the mostly one path thing they got going right now..
So the idea of playing an alt for their class story sounded awesome to me at first, but I've got to tell you, the thoughts of having to go back through some of these zones just feels icky. The first time through was helped by the story of the quests, but if you've already seen that once, twice, three times before, that whole extra is kind of over with - and some of this questing and zones just are NOT very fun.
agreed starter zones are pretty bland and it makes it hard to want to go through them again.. even as differn't class.. I did bounty hunter during beta then imperial agent for pre-release.. Hutta is just dreadfull...
What I'm doing to counter balance that a bit is to roll a different AC for each class on the other side. For example, if I chose a Jedi Consular Shadow for Pub, then I roll a Sith Inquisitor Sorcerer on Imp side. Also, on my second time through with an alt, I'm doing more leveling through class quests, flash points, space combat, and PvP then I did the first time through, where I mainly concentrated on Class and Side quests. This way, I am able to skip a large portion of content in terms of side quests. Not sure I could deal with doing EVERY Coruscant quest again.
basically what I'm doing as well.. hopefully they will release more planets soon to help break up the mostly one path thing they got going right now..
Yup, that's my one gripe about the game, and the one thing that I really hope they add--alternative planets to level on. The game has alternative paths to level, but not alternative questing paths. Hopefully that gets fixed later, particularly for those folks who due to guild obligations or personal preference are tied to one faction.
Dromund Kaas is loooong, too long really. I want to level my BH beside my SJ, but meh, I might wait a bit till I feel like reliving the content. I did happen to like Coruscant though.
I felt the same way about Dromund Kass and Coruscant. I enjoyed Coruscant much more. Maybe the taxi's just fit in much better on coruscant then they do Dromund Kaas. It's still not going to stop me from playing a ton of alts.
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Wait, there aren't several different starting zones and multple ensuing quest paths?
not really.. well if several you mean 4 then yes and besides your main class quests all the side quests are the same.. unfortunatly the starter planets aren't very interesting to want to actually play through them multiple times
at least toro has 4 class side quets that at least the 40% are class based and rest for all
in other MMOs are only 1 with lesser class based quests
and in all MMOs all alts doing the same thing over and over again
not true.. in rift for example I had so many quest I never finished at least three of the 30-50 zones or even visted them with several of my characters cause I was already level 50 by the time i finished quests in other zones.. Also I leveld 2 characters there without even questing and just through PVP, invasions, and dungeons.. although this game does have an advantage of a much better main quest.. thing is repeat content is inevitable in an MMO which is why gameplay needs to make up for this fact...
Though I didn't think this game would be heavy on replayability due to the questing, I think just roling two characters each on different factions would help...I guess?
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at least toro has 4 class side quets that at least the 40% are class based and rest for all
in other MMOs are only 1 with lesser class based quests
and in all MMOs all alts doing the same thing over and over again
not true.. in rift for example I had so many quest I never finished at least three of the 30-50 zones or even visted them with several of my characters cause I was already level 50 by the time i finished quests in other zones.. Also I leveld 2 characters there without even questing and just through PVP, invasions, and dungeons.. although this game does have an advantage of a much better main quest.. thing is repeat content is inevitable in an MMO which is why gameplay needs to make up for this fact...
and i didnt finish all quests in my lvl so far and i dont need to, and in toro u can gain xp with pvp from lvl 10 and space which BTW is too fast XPs
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I loved how the first quest I received on Taris (the ruined swampy city world) was to go find a toolbox... a collection of music... a dirty shoe... and a rake. Just GRIPPING dialogue... award winning stuff.
Well, if you prefer go kill ten rats as the starter mission/quest, there are plenty of games that offer that.
I loved how the first quest I received on Taris (the ruined swampy city world) was to go find a toolbox... a collection of music... a dirty shoe... and a rake. Just GRIPPING dialogue... award winning stuff.
Well, if you prefer go kill ten rats as the starter mission/quest, there are plenty of games that offer that.
you still do that though.. maybe not rats but don't try to pretend the starter quests are anything but this same old crap every MMO has with a nice VO cover up
I loved how the first quest I received on Taris (the ruined swampy city world) was to go find a toolbox... a collection of music... a dirty shoe... and a rake. Just GRIPPING dialogue... award winning stuff.
Well, if you prefer go kill ten rats as the starter mission/quest, there are plenty of games that offer that.
there are plenty of kill 10 rats quests in swtor don't kid yourself thinking otherwise.
Sure there are. They're just playing the game, not complaing on forums.
BTW, I do agree that it would be good to have other questing options/areas available. Maybe thats something they have planned for the future. I think the class storyline ties their hand a bit, though.
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Wait, there aren't several different starting zones and multple ensuing quest paths?
not really.. well if several you mean 4 then yes and besides your main class quests all the side quests are the same.. unfortunatly the starter planets aren't very interesting to want to actually play through them multiple times
Nar Shad is one of the most painful starting areas I've ever experienced.......
Nar Shad is one of the most painful starting areas I've ever experienced.......
Is this sarcasm, or are you really calling the level 20-24(?) planet a starting area? I keep seeing people do this, like everything below level 30 is a painful starting area, but maybe I'm misunderstanding?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
at least toro has 4 class side quets that at least the 40% are class based and rest for all
in other MMOs are only 1 with lesser class based quests
and in all MMOs all alts doing the same thing over and over again
not true.. in rift for example I had so many quest I never finished at least three of the 30-50 zones or even visted them with several of my characters cause I was already level 50 by the time i finished quests in other zones.. Also I leveld 2 characters there without even questing and just through PVP, invasions, and dungeons.. although this game does have an advantage of a much better main quest.. thing is repeat content is inevitable in an MMO which is why gameplay needs to make up for this fact...
and i didnt finish all quests in my lvl so far and i dont need to, and in toro u can gain xp with pvp from lvl 10 and space which BTW is too fast XPs
PVP is a very good source of xp and gear. On my alt, I am just pvping and doing story quests / side quests I like (no computer chips ever again). I really like this btw, the freedom to level anyway you enjoy doing so is great.
Ok now some trolls are just reaching...the start areas are better than any other mmo out there, but now they aren't good enough? Clearly, there is no pleasing some of you whiny kids who can't appreciate something good.
Ok now some trolls are just reaching...the start areas are better than any other mmo out there, but now they aren't good enough? Clearly, there is no pleasing some of you whiny kids who can't appreciate something good.
Any other MMO out there? What MMOs have you been playing? Perfect World and 9Dragons???
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
All I know is that I'm having a lot of fun with my Alts already, so much that at times I have a hard time deciding which to play. I have them split between republic and empire and I'm not playing the redundant classes yet, so everything is fresh and fun. I can't say how long that will last, but this will easily last me a few months and I can re-evaluate it then.
Bioware already said, they have been working on new planets and quests for some time now. The tools they created to do so, makes it very easy to add in new content.
I think it would be easy to rectify the problem some of you have when leveling a alt. All they would have to do is add in a few more low level and teen level planets that can be shuttled to from your starter and capital planets before you get your ship.
Once you get your ship though, from my expierence so far, everything opens up pretty good.
I am not a big proponent of believing nor having faith in developers. Seen far too many 'plans' that take for ever to appear or simply never do.
I hope BW is working on seeding all planets with multiple levels of content and alternate story paths -- for example having the class stories become open enough that you can follow them on different planets (creating a parallel to class progression in WoW, for example).
Let's get to the real truth or the meat of this. So many people want to compare this to WOW and then break it down to look like a lesser version, which it's not, it's actually much more. Really, what is the percent of people who played or still is playing WOW that actually sit's and reads every text line for a quest. I know i never did, i know many many people who didn't either.
What's the deal. So in WOW you could go to another area, run through a city, grab all the quests without ever reading what that pertained and where to go, thxs to quest finder and map finder and all that other bull.
The very first time you stepped into WOW, most probably paid more attention to the quest line and such, but after that and creating a alt, it's just zipping through the area gather all quests and balling to end level.
The probelm i see, with people that are bitching about creating an alt and having to do the same world quests, is just about having to not sit through the VO once again. I hope people understand that they can hit their SB to advance the VO and be done with it very fast.
Since the early access started i leveled a sith Assassin, all the way to like15 when i got my ship. Kinda felt like i want a force user that had more saber skills and survivability and rolled a warrior. Totally different class quests, all the same world quests. Since i'm not a person that wants to rush to end level i skip nothing. How hard would it be to just skip the VO part if you don't want to hear that again.
I have confidence in Bioware, i really do. I'm not a blind fan so to speak, but they talked the talk and walked the walk with this game. Like it or hate it, they created and have done what they set out to do. I'm sure when they say they already have been working on new planets and other stuff, they mean that. Their listening and i do believe that they care enough about this game to add those things that the communtiy feels is lacking.
The game has been built on a very solid foundation. Just think how much this game has to offer on release. Think about how much more it will be 6 months or a year from now.
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I don't think they did promise that, just a rough average estimate of 200 hours to level cap. Some people just interpreted it as 200 hours of unique story content. They weren't really all that vague, some people were just so overhyped they couldn't interpret statements for what they were.
I think once people realize that TOR really isnt all that different then any other themepark MMO on the market population will die down alot. Without cut-scenes TOR is just a new AAA themepark MMO with EA / Bioware / Star Wars stamped on the cover to bring in more profit. It brings nothing new or inventive to the genre unfortionately.
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What I'm doing to counter balance that a bit is to roll a different AC for each class on the other side. For example, if I chose a Jedi Consular Shadow for Pub, then I roll a Sith Inquisitor Sorcerer on Imp side. Also, on my second time through with an alt, I'm doing more leveling through class quests, flash points, space combat, and PvP then I did the first time through, where I mainly concentrated on Class and Side quests. This way, I am able to skip a large portion of content in terms of side quests. Not sure I could deal with doing EVERY Coruscant quest again.
Kind of funny, I agree with parts of all of these quotes. I did not mind Tython. However I despise Taris, and so after my main - I am also levelling alts just with the main quest line and space combat as well as flash points. I have not played a huge amount, enough to get my Scoundrel to 30, but I am thoroughly enjoying myself. This will keep me busy for a while.
basically what I'm doing as well.. hopefully they will release more planets soon to help break up the mostly one path thing they got going right now..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Yup, that's my one gripe about the game, and the one thing that I really hope they add--alternative planets to level on. The game has alternative paths to level, but not alternative questing paths. Hopefully that gets fixed later, particularly for those folks who due to guild obligations or personal preference are tied to one faction.
I felt the same way about Dromund Kass and Coruscant. I enjoyed Coruscant much more. Maybe the taxi's just fit in much better on coruscant then they do Dromund Kaas. It's still not going to stop me from playing a ton of alts.
I can feel your anger. This game is defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike this game down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards towards the Dark Side will be complete.
Wait, there aren't several different starting zones and multple ensuing quest paths?
not really.. well if several you mean 4 then yes and besides your main class quests all the side quests are the same.. unfortunatly the starter planets aren't very interesting to want to actually play through them multiple times
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
at least toro has 4 class side quets that at least the 40% are class based and rest for all
in other MMOs are only 1 with lesser class based quests
and in all MMOs all alts doing the same thing over and over again
not true.. in rift for example I had so many quest I never finished at least three of the 30-50 zones or even visted them with several of my characters cause I was already level 50 by the time i finished quests in other zones.. Also I leveld 2 characters there without even questing and just through PVP, invasions, and dungeons.. although this game does have an advantage of a much better main quest.. thing is repeat content is inevitable in an MMO which is why gameplay needs to make up for this fact...
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Whew...yea needs fix'n
Though I didn't think this game would be heavy on replayability due to the questing, I think just roling two characters each on different factions would help...I guess?
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and i didnt finish all quests in my lvl so far and i dont need to, and in toro u can gain xp with pvp from lvl 10 and space which BTW is too fast XPs
Well, if you prefer go kill ten rats as the starter mission/quest, there are plenty of games that offer that.
you still do that though.. maybe not rats but don't try to pretend the starter quests are anything but this same old crap every MMO has with a nice VO cover up
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
there are plenty of kill 10 rats quests in swtor don't kid yourself thinking otherwise.
Sure there are. They're just playing the game, not complaing on forums.
BTW, I do agree that it would be good to have other questing options/areas available. Maybe thats something they have planned for the future. I think the class storyline ties their hand a bit, though.
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Nar Shad is one of the most painful starting areas I've ever experienced.......
Is this sarcasm, or are you really calling the level 20-24(?) planet a starting area? I keep seeing people do this, like everything below level 30 is a painful starting area, but maybe I'm misunderstanding?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
PVP is a very good source of xp and gear. On my alt, I am just pvping and doing story quests / side quests I like (no computer chips ever again). I really like this btw, the freedom to level anyway you enjoy doing so is great.
Ok now some trolls are just reaching...the start areas are better than any other mmo out there, but now they aren't good enough? Clearly, there is no pleasing some of you whiny kids who can't appreciate something good.
Any other MMO out there? What MMOs have you been playing? Perfect World and 9Dragons???
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
even though the starting areas arent the best for people like me who role various alts, i take SWTOR's starting areas over Rift's anytime.
All I know is that I'm having a lot of fun with my Alts already, so much that at times I have a hard time deciding which to play. I have them split between republic and empire and I'm not playing the redundant classes yet, so everything is fresh and fun. I can't say how long that will last, but this will easily last me a few months and I can re-evaluate it then.
Let's get to the real truth or the meat of this. So many people want to compare this to WOW and then break it down to look like a lesser version, which it's not, it's actually much more. Really, what is the percent of people who played or still is playing WOW that actually sit's and reads every text line for a quest. I know i never did, i know many many people who didn't either.
What's the deal. So in WOW you could go to another area, run through a city, grab all the quests without ever reading what that pertained and where to go, thxs to quest finder and map finder and all that other bull.
The very first time you stepped into WOW, most probably paid more attention to the quest line and such, but after that and creating a alt, it's just zipping through the area gather all quests and balling to end level.
The probelm i see, with people that are bitching about creating an alt and having to do the same world quests, is just about having to not sit through the VO once again. I hope people understand that they can hit their SB to advance the VO and be done with it very fast.
Since the early access started i leveled a sith Assassin, all the way to like15 when i got my ship. Kinda felt like i want a force user that had more saber skills and survivability and rolled a warrior. Totally different class quests, all the same world quests. Since i'm not a person that wants to rush to end level i skip nothing. How hard would it be to just skip the VO part if you don't want to hear that again.
I have confidence in Bioware, i really do. I'm not a blind fan so to speak, but they talked the talk and walked the walk with this game. Like it or hate it, they created and have done what they set out to do. I'm sure when they say they already have been working on new planets and other stuff, they mean that. Their listening and i do believe that they care enough about this game to add those things that the communtiy feels is lacking.
The game has been built on a very solid foundation. Just think how much this game has to offer on release. Think about how much more it will be 6 months or a year from now.