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Nice game but immature conduct
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I have to say that Blizz has done a nice job with this gaem... but the bad thing is that it has a playerbase that is ~10-14years old and this can be very frustraiting for any adult. The game is getting easyer ith every patch, powerfull items that costed a lot to make can now be made easely by anyone ( like the Cap of the scarlet savent), and the high level instances are getting easyer and easyer and easyer.. man, I have done Scolomance in 4 last week. Yes, they have a lot of players, but they are not working on making the game better and to push it to a higher quality, they are working on satisfying the bulk of the players.
And man... there is so much greed in this game. Player take gear just that it is purple (epic stuff) and they can use it, not that it helps them in any way.
And yes.... they loyalty..... nope, not in this game, I gave seen so many players that have ben in the guild for a long time, got the best gear with the guild, and then just left.... to seek fun somewhere els.... guild enchanters and got all the enchanting formulas for free and then just left... and lots of things like that.
Yes, there are some good mature players, but man... overall , the game is full of immature conduct.
Yes, I come from a game where has a mature playerbase where loyalty is present and the divelopers do not mock the good players. Yes, Anarchy Online is a bit alder but still fun and there is a lot of stuff to do.
So, Blizz, gratz for this nice game you made, but it is realy not for me.
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Wow, you sure bursted that bubble.
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Why are you reading this? This is crap compared to what's above.
Ive been playing for a couple months+ and know what your saying. My first couple of weeks of trying different classes, profs, servers, and allegience showed me something about what your describing. What makes this seem funny to is that I found the same to be true while I played SWG for 18 months.
IMHO the so called good side(this is a matter of opinion)..Alliance(or in SWG, The Rebels) seems to have a younger following. Whereas the Horde(in SWG, the Imperials) seem to get an older crowd. In SWG there is alot more mingling of the different factions, so I got to see everyday what players were doing in how they acted. In WOW where the factions dont mingle much except for pvp my only experience was when I was trying out different builds. I found that a majority of the Alliance to be much younger....mainly by thier topics of so called conversation....if just randomly calling anyone within site a variety of names of a graphic nature or constantly trying to duel eveyone that wanders by.
SO this is why Im Horde for life.....just like I was Imperial for life at SWG.
I disagree. Both games have practicaly same community. With WoW its a bit less noticable becuase WoW is solo oriented game (for the most part). EQ2 is group oriented game so its being hit more by immaturity then WoW.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Your first post in 6 months and you give us this tripe.
All communities have immature players. You have just proven EQ2 does also.
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I agree to some extent with what your saying about WoW and the number of kids in the game. But, through and through, I would say the game would be balanced when it comes to age. You right on the fact the maturity level is very very low in and out of the game.. just check the GENERAL troll... errr forums, enough said.
But, I guess what really gets a lot of people about the kids, is they tend to be more vocal / retarded in the forums and in general channel ingame. But, on the other hand, I've seen some adults in the same area being just as retarded and more vocal then them.
Yes, the looters are bad in the game especially with the BoPs only being a one-time drop for every end-mob/boss kill. Unfortunately, nothing can be done to control that since Blizzard designed the game to be that way. Its partly why I don't group with people I don't know and stick to my guild when I need to dungeon crawl.
All I can suggest to make the game more enjoyable as I've had to find...
- /ignore is your friend
- There is no harm in asking a guild what their age limit it (Yes, its ageism but who cares)
- Pay attention to those who are helpful on the General channel, and ignore the rest.
- Try to keep a list of those people you had good group experiences with for future reference.
A good majority of the upper end guilds that I've seen all have some sort of age limit, or some sort of filter in place to weed out the spit bubble blowing morons, be they 13, or 34.
But, anyway, to address the OP:
Yes, the mindless zombie infant herd is annoying.
But rather than join their collective by having a tantrum about them, why not show yourself to be an adult, and ignore them. Or better yet, learn to see them for the free comedy show that they are.
I disagree. Both games have practicaly same community. With WoW its a bit less noticable becuase WoW is solo oriented game (for the most part). EQ2 is group oriented game so its being hit more by immaturity then WoW.
They don't have the same community. One requires to have alot better computer then the other. So, most kids dont have the money to afford a computer to play EQ2. Thats one of the only reason EQ2 has a little bit older community over all.
I have played both games and by the time you hit the later levels, most of the immature players are filtered out.
Exactly. If anyone really bothers you that much, type /ignore <name>. Problem solved. WoW had its bedwetters but it also has its mature players also. The ratio is probably a little higher than the average game because of its ease of use and friendliness to players new to MMORPG's, but its not by much. EQ2 has its fair share of idiots, although I would admit it is a bit less than WoW but that is splitting hairs. You will always have to put up with morons, quitting a game because of them is tantamount to telling them they are more powerful than you.
Also, the most mature person in the world will still have moments where they will NEED to /shout "YOU ALL SUCK!" and thus be looked upon as immature, it's all in your perception. Add water to your ignore list and make it grow.
UO had its share of spamming fewls, the good part being you could kill them if need be. Wouldn't it be nice sometimes if you could attack your own alliance in WoW? Not always, but damn I have wanted to at times lol
One of the things that you do not consider is that the developers of the game are shaping the game more and more for the less skilled/organised players. And this is a fact. Just look at how easy the high end parts of the game have become.
Once powerful items like the Cap of the Scarlet Savant that costed ~1.3k gold can now be made with a trivial 160-200g. so.. just that all can get it.
On other thing that I have to remind you is that Blizz accepted the finishing of team quests in raid groupes for months..... witch is an EXPLOIT..... but hey... the game seemed to be to hard for there playerbase..... so they accepted the EXPLOITING till they trimmed the instances down.
And of course so not forget that immature conduct s not something strictly dictated my age....
There is one thing that shocked me on the European servers.... man, can this plyers be rasists or what. Nationalist guilds nearly all the way. Now realy.... we are all part of a world wide comunity, we are all playing this game.... .
The only clear indication of the low age of the players is nearly total lack of knowledge of english. I know that my english sucks, but I can perfectly understan others and can make myself understood.
I do not want to offend anyone but I have the feeling that Blizzs highest priorety is "Keep stupid people happy."
Like I sad befor, nice game you made, but it is realy not for me.
Who mostly plays SWG and Eve, two games I look forward to playing someday?
Also, it appears that AC (ToD as of 7-18) now has a mature player base. I remember back in 2001-2002 (or so) that it was full of a younger set. I guess they migrated to WoW. Wow.
Now about dealing with the children (and early teens), if you Ignore them, then they'll just log on another character and repeat their antics. One way to curb their behavior instead of merely satisfying yourself is to talk to them like a teacher does IRL, which includes showing them the error of their ways.
It's a start; they have a chance to learn something. Yes, a portion of kids may not listen, but that's better than ignoring them and not telling them anything at all. For some kids to learn is better than for no kids to learn.
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I've noticed that it seems to get a bit more mature in the higher level area's. In most of the area's up to level 30-40 it has been pretty inmature talk. /ignore is a great command though
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I've played both EQ2 and WoW, and I have to say that I disagree with what's being said here. WoW's community was better than what I expected, while EQ2's was a disappointment. Granted, I was expecting WoW's playerbase to be the troupe of ADD stricken B.net children who frequented Diablo2 and other Blizzard games, while I was hoping for an ultramature group of people who were into RPing and having fun on EQ2.
At least for me it didn't work out like that.
For me, who played the Freeport side on Blackburrow server, the EQ2 community was a bug ugly stain of Apathy. An hour or more broadcasting to get a group only to finally get into one full of players who make crude jokes about their private parts and generally acting like teenagers without parental guidance. Yeah, real mature here folks. While I agree that WoW has it's greater share of bad apples as well, it's far better than the trash that was Battle.net. There's a high number of very mature players on WoW, and as you level up it does tend to get better, at least I thought it did. I'm not saying that my experiences are the same as everyone else's, but I can say a greater bulk of the immaturity from WoW can be found on its forums, including this one.
Cheers.
I disagree. Both games have practicaly same community. With WoW its a bit less noticable becuase WoW is solo oriented game (for the most part). EQ2 is group oriented game so its being hit more by immaturity then WoW.
Left WoW for, among other things, the absolutely pathetic community (if you like L33t-speak, Uber-this, OWND- that, you'll like WoW) -- no, that's not all-encompassing, but it certainly feels like the vast majority of the WoW community. Went back to EQ2 and I haven't seen or heard ONE person speak in l33t-speak. Haven't run into one rude person. Been back for over a month, running seven characters all in their teen-levels with two of them in their upper-20s. I disagree with your assertion that EQ2 is a group-oriented game (it isn't, anymore) and by far the most immaturity of any game I have ever played, since the days of UO and EQ, through AC, DAOC, Shadowbane, EQ2, and too many more I can count, is in WoW. Not even a close second.
Most mature community, in terms of the attitude/speak of the playerbase? UO, AC, EQ1.
You know, not one, in my years of playing, since MUDs, through UO, AC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, DAOC, and others, have I EVER felt the need to shout "you all suck". I wouldn't, in a game or in real life, and strangely enough I don't know anyone who would. The mentality required to feel the need to yell such a thing is precisely the mentality I left WoW to avoid. And no, I haven't seen anyone doing that in EQ2 since I returned to that game, nor do I see it in EQ (which, courtesy of Station Pass, I've also returned to).
I find that as i get older my tolerance for idiots gets lower, i have experienced groups in WoW that still make me cringe when i recall them, mainly during the weekends where every 13 old with his parents credit card seems to log in.
That beeing said, i also have met alot of friendly ppl.
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I don't care what any of you say, I've seen immature fools of all ages in all games. And a lot of them. Though, I have to say that most of you have seen nothing. Play Runescape for a few days. You will come back to your EQ2 and WoW. Trust me. And you won't be so pissed to hear stupid crap. Infact, you'll be glad to hear that familiar stuff. Because what you see in Runescape will show you what a REAL community of jackasses is.
Just one more thing: be prepared... I'd hate to see you guys turn into one of them Runescapers. They're like zombies or something...
I dont know why you guys pay so much attention to the general chat. Of course there will be full of junk, spam and other obsceneties. WoW has much more pop then EQ2, and EQ2 IS group oriented, EQ2 devs said so. Sure they have solo quest and are trying to make solo experience more casual friendly, but regardless of all that, half of the mobs, if not more are linked in groups, and comparing WoW soloability to EQ2, WoW wins by a longshot, which is fine - all im trying to prove is that EQ2 is more group oriented and not that much solo oriented.
Now, since we know that WoW has: a) more pop; b) much more solo friendly; thus I come to a logical conclusion that WoW community will mostly consist of casula players, who dont play often, who play WoW occasional. Those players are not hardcore players, so they wont act like one - they will talk about football, girls/guys, politics and of course with differences in opinions comes argument and profanity.
Now, with EQ2 its a bit different situation. EQ2 is more group oriented, so casual players are less likely to play there. Population is less then WoW pop, so you will get even less people who play EQ2 casualy, and diversity will be less noticable. The fact that EQ2 is more group oriented means that most players are hardcore players, because EQ2 favours longer battles where people have to invest hours of time in order to gain exp, get items or fame. And hardcore players tend to be more mature and polite, because if u r not, no1 will group with you.
This is my logic, feel free to comment or show your logic.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
You guys act like there isnt jackasses in every general chat like noone in the world spamms dumb crap but wow players that is funny stuff. If youd just PLAY the game(cause thats what you pay for..) and not sit there and do nothing and watch general chat just to hear someone say some dumb shit then say "It's true wow players spam!". You pay to play the game not to listen to other people if you wanna do that go play second life or something. If the general is getting to dumb turn on your combat log you need to know how much dmg your doing on average anyway. Ive had a couple idiots tell me some stuff oh well when it happens i tell em to shut up im not afraid to shut people up on general chat i wont go and do it for anything ussually it takes alot to set me off but i shut poeple up if i have to
this is an MMO. I mean do you walk in to a store and because there are kids there walk out. if you dont wanna listen to it 1.shut em up or 2. turn on your combat logs this is the way with all MMO's. maybe if there is to much spam you should move servers or somthing all these problems are fixible. i would never move server cause some kids in general being immature id shut em up but thats just me. when you get in to higher lvl's people will stop doing spam cause if they dont others wont raid with em for higher end instances.
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read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
I still cant understand why people complain about profanity and immaturity in chat - you bring this on yourself becuase with simple /leave command u can quit general and trading chat and enjoy a world of silence. Its like complaining about radiostation that plays music you dont like - if you dont like their music, dont listen to them, turn to another channel. Other then chat, i have not seen imature attitude. Occasionaly someone ninja loots, or behaves like ass in local or yell channel, but that doesnt happen often, once a week maybe.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
You shouldn't have to leave something as important as general or trade chat channels to avoid bad language or immature behavior (i.e., racist, sexist talk, politics, etc.). Living in "silence," as you say, would also leave you without a good way to join instance groups (outside of your guild) and would cause you to miss out on a goodly portion of the WoW economy.
/ignore is the best tool in the game; leaving an entire chat channel, however, isn't.
Im afraid i have to disagree. GENERAL chat is what the title says, general chat. Its for people to speak their mind, ask questions, blah blah. If you want a group, turn it on untill you find one, a few minutes of general chat wont hurt your ears, then turn it off. THats assuming you are outside a guild or your guild doesnt have enough numbers or isnt a good one. The trade is useless too, since most trades are done through the auction.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.