CBTs are rarely announced or made out to be big. The only CBTs that I know that were announced loudly are the ones you get to buy into by pre-orders or other gimmicks of the sort.
You should actually take comfort in seeing that the game isn't being tested loudly. It will likely yeild a better product.
I wonder if someone were in the current CB, hypothetically, if they would be getting some sort of idea how far off the open beta stuff would be starting.
If there would be an open beta, no more then 2 to 4 weekss before release. With the game. Relieing on box sales however i dont expect a huge open beta at all. Just a few servers and a stresstest at best.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
We will officially enter Closed Beta Testing this Friday. It will be marked with an increase in our pool of testers. To clarify, this phase of testing is still under NDA and is not open to the public.
Based on the feedback we get from our current Closed Beta Testing, we will determine the next phases of our program in which we will open beta access to more people
I wonder if someone were in the current CB, hypothetically, if they would be getting some sort of idea how far off the open beta stuff would be starting.
If there would be an open beta, no more then 2 to 4 weekss before release. With the game. Relieing on box sales however i dont expect a huge open beta at all. Just a few servers and a stresstest at best.
I'm expecting at least a couple weekend long events where they invite the entire world to download the client and play some portion of the game, just because that's what they did with GW1. I think they had around 5 events for the original. They were pretty fun. ;-)
Charr: Outta my way. Human: What's your problem? Charr: Your thin skin.
We will officially enter Closed Beta Testing this Friday. It will be marked with an increase in our pool of testers. To clarify, this phase of testing is still under NDA and is not open to the public.
Based on the feedback we get from our current Closed Beta Testing, we will determine the next phases of our program in which we will open beta access to more people
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I am sure they are now offically in closed beta. To be in beta you need to have a complete game, with the Mesmer now an active profession and most of the world built they can now actually play test and start the bug squishing process. Prior to the Mesmer being announced the best they could do is alpha, where everything is in flux.
Sure, they can still back up like the they did with the thief, but I doubt they will.
Closed beta is probably more like a 'friends and family beta' which is just as worthless cause obviously it's going to be full of people that only think highly of everything, so at best they may get bug fixes but not really any improvements.
Closed beta is probably more like a 'friends and family beta' which is just as worthless cause obviously it's going to be full of people that only think highly of everything, so at best they may get bug fixes but not really any improvements.
To this degree i wouldn't technically call it a beta. The game is obviously missing a lot of content, and quite a bit of development is still going on. To this degree and missing invitations to prospective clients i'd argue a late alpha phase gw2 is in.
Its really no biggy, we saw year ago + that the game runs and is rather stable..
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I personally will take ANet's word for it and not be like you guys that think they're lying or have some conspiracy going on. The fact is, none of us really know the exact stage of the game and we should just leave it at that. Most of what's being said in this thread is just conjecture and baseless opinions. I personally want ANet to take as long as they need to make a badass game and not give in too pressure from squeaky wheels.
I personally will take ANet's word for it and not be like you guys that think they're lying or have some conspiracy going on. The fact is, none of us really know the exact stage of the game and we should just leave it at that. Most of what's being said in this thread is just conjecture and baseless opinions. I personally want ANet to take as long as they need to make a badass game and not give in too pressure from squeaky wheels.
If anything GW2 has plenty of time. The only games in the near future to worry about, which worry should be taken lightly, are TERA and TSW. SWTOR will most likely have the standard sub drop month after month after month then when GW2 comes up it will get it's shot and we can see what happens. So unless TSW is some secretly great game, I doubt GW2 has anything to worry about and have plenty of time to polish the game. I don't consider Planetside 2 cause I believe it's suppose to be F2P, not entirely sure but last I remember reading it was. ArcheAge and Blade and Soul still have at least a year or more before we get them, so they are nonfactors.
I personally will take ANet's word for it and not be like you guys that think they're lying or have some conspiracy going on. The fact is, none of us really know the exact stage of the game and we should just leave it at that. Most of what's being said in this thread is just conjecture and baseless opinions. I personally want ANet to take as long as they need to make a badass game and not give in too pressure from squeaky wheels.
If anything GW2 has plenty of time. The only games in the near future to worry about, which worry should be taken lightly, are TERA and TSW. SWTOR will most likely have the standard sub drop month after month after month then when GW2 comes up it will get it's shot and we can see what happens. So unless TSW is some secretly great game, I doubt GW2 has anything to worry about and have plenty of time to polish the game. I don't consider Planetside 2 cause I believe it's suppose to be F2P, not entirely sure but last I remember reading it was. ArcheAge and Blade and Soul still have at least a year or more before we get them, so they are nonfactors.
I mean GW2 isn't even trying to compete with those games, not even trying to force you on it with sub so you can enjoy other games instead of hate them which funny enough is why I favor GW 2 even more, since I have a PS3,Xbox 360, Iphone 4(I do play their games), and will soon have a PSVITA, I'll be able to enjoy those at anytime as well as my PC MMORPG and any other PC games I have. I might sub or try TSW out for a few the beta was alright but it didn't hit that "sweet" spot for me but did open my eyes up a lot more before playing it.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
To this degree i wouldn't technically call it a beta. The game is obviously missing a lot of content, and quite a bit of development is still going on. To this degree and missing invitations to prospective clients i'd argue a late alpha phase gw2 is in.
Its really no biggy, we saw year ago + that the game runs and is rather stable..
I have to ask, on what do you base your saying "obviously missing a lot of content?"
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
To this degree i wouldn't technically call it a beta. The game is obviously missing a lot of content, and quite a bit of development is still going on. To this degree and missing invitations to prospective clients i'd argue a late alpha phase gw2 is in.
Its really no biggy, we saw year ago + that the game runs and is rather stable..
I have to ask, on what do you base your saying "obviously missing a lot of content?"
Just adding a new class, etc. Thast not to say most fo the content is not in the works.
People doesn't seem to understand what a beta is and what an alpha is, which is fine.
I think that may have been the poitn of some of the other posters, and important if your askig are people testign the game the answer is yes. If your asking is the game server up with most content in place and operation and prospective clients (albet a limited number of them) given the oppritunity to test an almost finished version of the game, then i think you you could say no it doesn't seem that way. Thus in kind it doesn't really appear to be a "beta".
As stated before this doesn't really mean much, other than somepeople say hey you kinda mislead us we thought you were gonna start beta testing with random/system/not friend based invites to a game largely finished... well thats not the case. And maybe they were asking for too much. But i just wanted to clarify that prespective by mentioning yes the beta doesn't seem like much of a "beta".
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
So, have you seen the state of the beta Jet? I'm just curious. The demos all seemed really polished, but I know they were restricted parts of the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're a little bit behind, with all the features / re-designs they've been doing, but I'm curious as to whether this is speculative, or if you have first hand experience with what you are talking about?
So, have you seen the state of the beta Jet? I'm just curious. The demos all seemed really polished, but I know they were restricted parts of the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're a little bit behind, with all the features / re-designs they've been doing, but I'm curious as to whether this is speculative, or if you have first hand experience with what you are talking about?
Nope, and while that question is a great practice in rhetoric if anyone person thinks the that game is largely finished and unaffliated prospective clinets are beling allowed to test the game, then please state it here. Later when we hear about all the wonderful improvements, areas added, etc. etc during beta will you care that you were willing to play a word game to appear correct.
Its speculative, but me knowing ff14 was trash (imo) even after playing the beta was far more speculative, because its simple logic.
Most mmorpg BETAs acctually start as F&F alphas. People other then close assosicates and friends don't get in. The game has some time before release (still quite a bit of work to do [= not a "beta"]) Etc.
Again, I am not saying i care one way or another (this is thread largely a pratice in words and rhetoric, defining your terms helps avoid such issues) only that this seems to be what the Op and other may have been addressing.
Evidence is there also you don't drop a new class in at the same time move into a completed state of game. Lets go with probability (as neither of us know), which is more probable; the game state i professed much of the content in, working, playble but with content not yet added / some in need of redesign, or a finished product with minor tweaks and testing needed?
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
So, have you seen the state of the beta Jet? I'm just curious. The demos all seemed really polished, but I know they were restricted parts of the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're a little bit behind, with all the features / re-designs they've been doing, but I'm curious as to whether this is speculative, or if you have first hand experience with what you are talking about?
Nope, and while that question is a great practice in rhetoric if anyone person thinks the that game is largely finished and unaffliated prospective clinets are beling allowed to test the game, then please state it here. Later when we hear about all the wonderful improvements, areas added, etc. etc during beta will you care that you were willing to play a word game to appear correct.
Its speculative, but me knowing ff14 was trash (imo) even after playing the beta was far more speculative, because its simple logic.
Most mmorpg BETAs acctually start as F&F alphas. People other then close assosicates and friends don't get in. The game has some time before release (still quite a bit of work to do [= not a "beta"]) Etc.
Again, I am not saying i care one way or another (this is thread largely a pratice in words and rhetoric, defining your terms helps avoid such issues) only that this seems to be what the Op and other may have been addressing.
Evidence is there also you don't drop a new class in at the same time move into a completed state of game. Lets go with probability (as neither of us know), which is more probable; the game state i professed much of the content in, working, playble but with content not yet added / some in need of redesign, or a finished product with minor tweaks and testing needed?
I think you're looking at it like it's unfinished because they're starting beta after just adding a new class. But it's not a new class. They've known it was going to be the mesmer the entire time, they just held off revealing it until all the mechanics were in place. To me, if anything, it seems like that's a sign that everything is finally at least to a point where it might be finalized, even if they do reserve the right to overhaul it in the future.
As far as the scale of the closed beta, my conjecture is that it's at least a few thousand people since that's what you would need to test WvW PVP. Based on everything they've done so far, I just can't see them waiting for an open beta a few weeks before launch to finally stress test it and risking a major crash that would be bad PR.
It occurs to me that signups probably just weren't necessary.
The speech in my sig file talks about how GW1 had this huge alpha program. I've found links that have said they've gotten away from this because too often players treat testing like it's just an early chance to play the game. Still, they might have kept track of which testers did turn in a lot of good feedback.
Or simply that they have an email address for everybody who has ever played GW1. Why not just email everybody who has ever done really well at PVP and ask them to beta test? If you think about it, they could even go more specific. Need to test mesmers? Invite everybody who PVPed or beat a campaign as a mesmer...
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
So, have you seen the state of the beta Jet? I'm just curious. The demos all seemed really polished, but I know they were restricted parts of the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're a little bit behind, with all the features / re-designs they've been doing, but I'm curious as to whether this is speculative, or if you have first hand experience with what you are talking about?
Nope, and while that question is a great practice in rhetoric if anyone person thinks the that game is largely finished and unaffliated prospective clinets are beling allowed to test the game, then please state it here....
I believe this is precisely the case. The game is largely finished. True beta testers are playing parts that the devs feel need to be rigorously tested. They have talked explicitly and often about their development process being different from the norm. They have done so for a reason. Don't expect the beta phase to be typical for MMOs (i.e., lots of gamebreaking bugs being discovered).
Will some things change between now and launch? Certainly. But I don't think that will involve large new systems or areas being implemented.
Charr: Outta my way. Human: What's your problem? Charr: Your thin skin.
There definetly is a closed beta. They are just behind in development and needed to realease something so people like us wouldnt get suspicious. Thats my theory.
Between all the companies using CB as a marketing tool, and either running indefinitely in OB or selling spots in OB for the price of a collector's edition, we've gotten pretty jaded about the terms. There's always a remote chance that they're actually treating CB as it was meant be.
A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs: That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.
Im just glad they're in some sort of testing phase, which I guess sort of goes on through most of a game's development but hopefully when they say Beta they mean Beta. Which Im sure they do. Which means the game is out of Alpha.
So Im thrilled. No Im not suspicious. No I dont think its some sort of trick or ruse. I just look at it as good news. Im excited to hear it. Im happy to wait however long I need too. Ive got an mmorpg Im enjoying very much now anyways. No its not Swtor or WoW.
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CBTs are rarely announced or made out to be big. The only CBTs that I know that were announced loudly are the ones you get to buy into by pre-orders or other gimmicks of the sort.
You should actually take comfort in seeing that the game isn't being tested loudly. It will likely yeild a better product.
If there would be an open beta, no more then 2 to 4 weekss before release. With the game. Relieing on box sales however i dont expect a huge open beta at all. Just a few servers and a stresstest at best.Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
The link to this is http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/nclu0/im_a_guild_wars_2_developer_ama_about_professions/
[–]antonsw7 145 points ago
Any information for closed beta release? And.. When will mesmer come to guildwars2.com in proffesions?
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[–]ArenaNetTeamGuild Wars 2[S] 302 points ago
We will officially enter Closed Beta Testing this Friday. It will be marked with an increase in our pool of testers. To clarify, this phase of testing is still under NDA and is not open to the public.
Based on the feedback we get from our current Closed Beta Testing, we will determine the next phases of our program in which we will open beta access to more people
I'm expecting at least a couple weekend long events where they invite the entire world to download the client and play some portion of the game, just because that's what they did with GW1. I think they had around 5 events for the original. They were pretty fun. ;-)
Charr: Outta my way.
Human: What's your problem?
Charr: Your thin skin.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I am sure they are now offically in closed beta. To be in beta you need to have a complete game, with the Mesmer now an active profession and most of the world built they can now actually play test and start the bug squishing process. Prior to the Mesmer being announced the best they could do is alpha, where everything is in flux.
Sure, they can still back up like the they did with the thief, but I doubt they will.
Closed beta is probably more like a 'friends and family beta' which is just as worthless cause obviously it's going to be full of people that only think highly of everything, so at best they may get bug fixes but not really any improvements.
To this degree i wouldn't technically call it a beta. The game is obviously missing a lot of content, and quite a bit of development is still going on. To this degree and missing invitations to prospective clients i'd argue a late alpha phase gw2 is in.
Its really no biggy, we saw year ago + that the game runs and is rather stable..
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I personally will take ANet's word for it and not be like you guys that think they're lying or have some conspiracy going on. The fact is, none of us really know the exact stage of the game and we should just leave it at that. Most of what's being said in this thread is just conjecture and baseless opinions. I personally want ANet to take as long as they need to make a badass game and not give in too pressure from squeaky wheels.
Love the Public Enemy lyrics under your sig. Very old school.
If anything GW2 has plenty of time. The only games in the near future to worry about, which worry should be taken lightly, are TERA and TSW. SWTOR will most likely have the standard sub drop month after month after month then when GW2 comes up it will get it's shot and we can see what happens. So unless TSW is some secretly great game, I doubt GW2 has anything to worry about and have plenty of time to polish the game. I don't consider Planetside 2 cause I believe it's suppose to be F2P, not entirely sure but last I remember reading it was. ArcheAge and Blade and Soul still have at least a year or more before we get them, so they are nonfactors.
I mean GW2 isn't even trying to compete with those games, not even trying to force you on it with sub so you can enjoy other games instead of hate them which funny enough is why I favor GW 2 even more, since I have a PS3,Xbox 360, Iphone 4(I do play their games), and will soon have a PSVITA, I'll be able to enjoy those at anytime as well as my PC MMORPG and any other PC games I have. I might sub or try TSW out for a few the beta was alright but it didn't hit that "sweet" spot for me but did open my eyes up a lot more before playing it.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I have to ask, on what do you base your saying "obviously missing a lot of content?"
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Closed betas in their early stages are usually F&F Alphas.
That's why there has been no fuss about it.
Usually, tough companies keep a low profile regarding their closed betas - Cataclysm, RIFT, TSW etc.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
Just adding a new class, etc. Thast not to say most fo the content is not in the works.
People doesn't seem to understand what a beta is and what an alpha is, which is fine.
I think that may have been the poitn of some of the other posters, and important if your askig are people testign the game the answer is yes. If your asking is the game server up with most content in place and operation and prospective clients (albet a limited number of them) given the oppritunity to test an almost finished version of the game, then i think you you could say no it doesn't seem that way. Thus in kind it doesn't really appear to be a "beta".
As stated before this doesn't really mean much, other than somepeople say hey you kinda mislead us we thought you were gonna start beta testing with random/system/not friend based invites to a game largely finished... well thats not the case. And maybe they were asking for too much. But i just wanted to clarify that prespective by mentioning yes the beta doesn't seem like much of a "beta".
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
So, have you seen the state of the beta Jet? I'm just curious. The demos all seemed really polished, but I know they were restricted parts of the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're a little bit behind, with all the features / re-designs they've been doing, but I'm curious as to whether this is speculative, or if you have first hand experience with what you are talking about?
Nope, and while that question is a great practice in rhetoric if anyone person thinks the that game is largely finished and unaffliated prospective clinets are beling allowed to test the game, then please state it here. Later when we hear about all the wonderful improvements, areas added, etc. etc during beta will you care that you were willing to play a word game to appear correct.
Its speculative, but me knowing ff14 was trash (imo) even after playing the beta was far more speculative, because its simple logic.
Most mmorpg BETAs acctually start as F&F alphas. People other then close assosicates and friends don't get in. The game has some time before release (still quite a bit of work to do [= not a "beta"]) Etc.
Again, I am not saying i care one way or another (this is thread largely a pratice in words and rhetoric, defining your terms helps avoid such issues) only that this seems to be what the Op and other may have been addressing.
Evidence is there also you don't drop a new class in at the same time move into a completed state of game. Lets go with probability (as neither of us know), which is more probable; the game state i professed much of the content in, working, playble but with content not yet added / some in need of redesign, or a finished product with minor tweaks and testing needed?
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I think you're looking at it like it's unfinished because they're starting beta after just adding a new class. But it's not a new class. They've known it was going to be the mesmer the entire time, they just held off revealing it until all the mechanics were in place. To me, if anything, it seems like that's a sign that everything is finally at least to a point where it might be finalized, even if they do reserve the right to overhaul it in the future.
As far as the scale of the closed beta, my conjecture is that it's at least a few thousand people since that's what you would need to test WvW PVP. Based on everything they've done so far, I just can't see them waiting for an open beta a few weeks before launch to finally stress test it and risking a major crash that would be bad PR.
It occurs to me that signups probably just weren't necessary.
The speech in my sig file talks about how GW1 had this huge alpha program. I've found links that have said they've gotten away from this because too often players treat testing like it's just an early chance to play the game. Still, they might have kept track of which testers did turn in a lot of good feedback.
Also, back in 2009, apparently there were signups for a Test Krewe to continue to test GW1 with the GW1 Live Team. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Test_Krewe This link gives a little more insight. http://www.guildwars2forum.com/threads/107-Exclusive-Q-amp-A-with-Joe-Knight-Member-Of-Arenanet-s-Live-Team So they might have invited those people or at least had a big stack of applications already.
Or simply that they have an email address for everybody who has ever played GW1. Why not just email everybody who has ever done really well at PVP and ask them to beta test? If you think about it, they could even go more specific. Need to test mesmers? Invite everybody who PVPed or beat a campaign as a mesmer...
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
I believe this is precisely the case. The game is largely finished. True beta testers are playing parts that the devs feel need to be rigorously tested. They have talked explicitly and often about their development process being different from the norm. They have done so for a reason. Don't expect the beta phase to be typical for MMOs (i.e., lots of gamebreaking bugs being discovered).
Will some things change between now and launch? Certainly. But I don't think that will involve large new systems or areas being implemented.
Charr: Outta my way.
Human: What's your problem?
Charr: Your thin skin.
There definetly is a closed beta. They are just behind in development and needed to realease something so people like us wouldnt get suspicious. Thats my theory.
Between all the companies using CB as a marketing tool, and either running indefinitely in OB or selling spots in OB for the price of a collector's edition, we've gotten pretty jaded about the terms. There's always a remote chance that they're actually treating CB as it was meant be.
A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.
Im just glad they're in some sort of testing phase, which I guess sort of goes on through most of a game's development but hopefully when they say Beta they mean Beta. Which Im sure they do. Which means the game is out of Alpha.
So Im thrilled. No Im not suspicious. No I dont think its some sort of trick or ruse. I just look at it as good news. Im excited to hear it. Im happy to wait however long I need too. Ive got an mmorpg Im enjoying very much now anyways. No its not Swtor or WoW.
Anyways this is good news. Im happy to hear it.