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the wow server forums are where people go to post that their server sucks and or is dying. Or someone from another servers comes in to say some guy is a jerk, which is seen by the 5 people who actually visit the server forums and promptly ignored.
the wow server forums are where people go to post that their server sucks and or is dying. Or someone from another servers comes in to say some guy is a jerk, which is seen by the 5 people who actually visit the server forums and promptly ignored.
I don't think it really adds much.
Let's ingore the posts of Guild Recruitment, and Server Events, and corespondance between factions, and server inquiries, and just plain simple conversations on the server.
This is just another mistake on BW parts and they want to squash any negativity on the forums. Whats sooooo hard with just having server forums and just let the servers do what they will with it? Don't moderate it and just let it be a simple place for the realm to chit chat. I don't see why they need to be anal retentive about it.
Forget about trying to find a guild on your server as the Guild Hall is a complete clusterfuck.
This game is already very player isolated and this just furthur does it. Really don't even call it an MMO anymore...
In Bioware's defense, forums can get pretty unruly in a F2P game, which TOR will probably become sooner than later.
There is no probably in this. Being a massively hyped game you will get allllll kinds of unsavory ilk. SWTOR will have a community that'll rival even WoW and thats not a good thing.
Make a post in guildhall 10 secs later post is on the 2nd or third page because so many people are trying to just bump or making threads to recruit on their own. Its a flawless idea if you ask me.
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So they can have all the servers they need, making money from each of them, but they can't give their customers a forum for each server with at least one moderator? Maybe even 1 moderator for 2 or 3 servers? Come on, I'm sure each server makes money for more than 1 person, they are just being greedy there.
One forum for each region makes the information easier to find. If you must have a forum for your server you can easily make one, but to me is that just a waste of time.
They did actually bad decisions, like adding a small number of companions instead of either skipping the whole thing or having a huge number to select from. Complain about that instead, a forum for each server have no real impact whatsoever.
the wow server forums are where people go to post that their server sucks and or is dying. Or someone from another servers comes in to say some guy is a jerk, which is seen by the 5 people who actually visit the server forums and promptly ignored.
I don't think it really adds much.
Let's ingore the posts of Guild Recruitment, and Server Events, and corespondance between factions, and server inquiries, and just plain simple conversations on the server.
This is just another mistake on BW parts and they want to squash any negativity on the forums. Whats sooooo hard with just having server forums and just let the servers do what they will with it? Don't moderate it and just let it be a simple place for the realm to chit chat. I don't see why they need to be anal retentive about it.
Forget about trying to find a guild on your server as the Guild Hall is a complete clusterfuck.
This game is already very player isolated and this just furthur does it. Really don't even call it an MMO anymore...
Your first part makes a compelling argument for server forums. The second part is a compelling argument for moderation as those forums would devolve into a cess pool of discussion.
They are not being anal retentive, they are being a company that wants to have forums that are rated pg so that they can be viewed by a wider audience.
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I can't believe the fans are making excuses for BW, denoncing individual server forums as the 11th Biblical plague...
Really, guys? I get it that in your eyes BW can do no wrong, but come on!
Server forums are great -- not on do they help establish communities and frienships, but they are great for trading cross-faction, trading in general, finding groups and so on. I'm not even going to touch on the myriad aspects of RP possible on RP servers.
Having a 3rd party site is so tacky... and potentially unsafe for the people that use their same e-mail/PW combo from the game. I mean people were easily hacking into accounts through Trion's website; what will make it any harder for hackers to hack into moms', uncles', grandpa Joe's accounts when they have their SWTOR e-mail and SWTOR password of Lukerocks1964 ?
Not to mention the harrassment that can go on outside the game.
Awful.
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I just think their whole approach to the game and the entire MMO genre was utterly wussified. To quote the Joker -- I think their balls fell off. They want a mama's boy MMO, that you could play with kids the age of Manakin from Episode I.
There seems to be absolutely no bite to this game.
i played wow for 6 yrs , i never once vistited a server forum. I dont see the need for them. I understand people want them. I just dont see why not having them is a big deal
Im not saying bioware can do no wrong, i for think tor is alot of fun but has some flaws but wow has flaws after 7 yrs. I have never played a perfect game.
That said all i care about is if a game is fun. i just dont see why u need a forum dedicated to a server, i even now when i visit tor forums i read the dev tracker, read the community blog, maybe check out a few posts, thats it.
That said bioware usually listens to there customers so if enough people want server forums eventually they will add them.
Roughly 230 right there. EA/Bioware is roughly 3 times larger then Actvi/Blizz, soooo
Because the server forums for WoW are so well moderated and useful right? Just because WoW did it doesn't make it a good idea.
ROFL. Your comment makes sense in this context but the bit "Just because WoW did it doesn't make it a good idea." is hilarious considering the game SWTOR is.
Ill tell you what, Wows forums is the last place to look for how a forum should operate, I have a sour sour taste in my mouth from that POS forum, I never posted on it but it was so bad before I couldnt even read it without going into a rage fit. Nope, if Tor's forums cant incorporate server forums well, then by all means spare us the pain and suffering by keeping them out that has plaqued Wows forums since I can remember.
The only reason I don't like this is due to guild recruitment. When I played WoW across the various servers I did throughout my account activity, I used the specific server forums quite a bit to locate the specific types of guilds I wanted to raid with. If they can come up with a solution other than lumping all guild recruitment posts into one forum, forcing users to endlessly bump topics and manage their threads, I'm all for it.
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meh this is old news. Not a good idea and it could be handled differently.
nb4 WoW did not have server forums in 2004 arguement
This makes sense right up this point
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/
Roughly 230 right there. EA/Bioware is roughly 3 times larger then Actvi/Blizz, soooo
Think outside the wow box.
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John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
the wow server forums are where people go to post that their server sucks and or is dying. Or someone from another servers comes in to say some guy is a jerk, which is seen by the 5 people who actually visit the server forums and promptly ignored.
I don't think it really adds much.
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This is huge. HUGE!
Yawn.
In Bioware's defense, forums can get pretty unruly in a F2P game, which TOR will probably become sooner than later.
Let's ingore the posts of Guild Recruitment, and Server Events, and corespondance between factions, and server inquiries, and just plain simple conversations on the server.
This is just another mistake on BW parts and they want to squash any negativity on the forums. Whats sooooo hard with just having server forums and just let the servers do what they will with it? Don't moderate it and just let it be a simple place for the realm to chit chat. I don't see why they need to be anal retentive about it.
Forget about trying to find a guild on your server as the Guild Hall is a complete clusterfuck.
This game is already very player isolated and this just furthur does it. Really don't even call it an MMO anymore...
There is no probably in this. Being a massively hyped game you will get allllll kinds of unsavory ilk. SWTOR will have a community that'll rival even WoW and thats not a good thing.
Make a post in guildhall 10 secs later post is on the 2nd or third page because so many people are trying to just bump or making threads to recruit on their own. Its a flawless idea if you ask me.
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
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mhm... Oh yea, torch the game because of this!
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So they can have all the servers they need, making money from each of them, but they can't give their customers a forum for each server with at least one moderator? Maybe even 1 moderator for 2 or 3 servers? Come on, I'm sure each server makes money for more than 1 person, they are just being greedy there.
Who cares?
One forum for each region makes the information easier to find. If you must have a forum for your server you can easily make one, but to me is that just a waste of time.
They did actually bad decisions, like adding a small number of companions instead of either skipping the whole thing or having a huge number to select from. Complain about that instead, a forum for each server have no real impact whatsoever.
Your first part makes a compelling argument for server forums. The second part is a compelling argument for moderation as those forums would devolve into a cess pool of discussion.
They are not being anal retentive, they are being a company that wants to have forums that are rated pg so that they can be viewed by a wider audience.
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Some of the most fun I've had was trolling around on WoW server forums.
(5 banned accounts and counting.)
Now if only Bioware had thought that way about core game design.
Personally I see making seperate forums for each and every server, a massive waste of time and effort that could be better spent elsewhere.
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I can't believe the fans are making excuses for BW, denoncing individual server forums as the 11th Biblical plague...
Really, guys? I get it that in your eyes BW can do no wrong, but come on!
Server forums are great -- not on do they help establish communities and frienships, but they are great for trading cross-faction, trading in general, finding groups and so on. I'm not even going to touch on the myriad aspects of RP possible on RP servers.
Having a 3rd party site is so tacky... and potentially unsafe for the people that use their same e-mail/PW combo from the game. I mean people were easily hacking into accounts through Trion's website; what will make it any harder for hackers to hack into moms', uncles', grandpa Joe's accounts when they have their SWTOR e-mail and SWTOR password of Lukerocks1964 ?
Not to mention the harrassment that can go on outside the game.
Awful.
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I need to take this advice more.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
I dunno.
I just think their whole approach to the game and the entire MMO genre was utterly wussified. To quote the Joker -- I think their balls fell off. They want a mama's boy MMO, that you could play with kids the age of Manakin from Episode I.
There seems to be absolutely no bite to this game.
Thanks for exemplifying why this was a good decision.
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i played wow for 6 yrs , i never once vistited a server forum. I dont see the need for them. I understand people want them. I just dont see why not having them is a big deal
Im not saying bioware can do no wrong, i for think tor is alot of fun but has some flaws but wow has flaws after 7 yrs. I have never played a perfect game.
That said all i care about is if a game is fun. i just dont see why u need a forum dedicated to a server, i even now when i visit tor forums i read the dev tracker, read the community blog, maybe check out a few posts, thats it.
That said bioware usually listens to there customers so if enough people want server forums eventually they will add them.
ROFL. Your comment makes sense in this context but the bit "Just because WoW did it doesn't make it a good idea." is hilarious considering the game SWTOR is.
Anyways, have you seen the official forums lately? It's trollier than this place. SWTOR forums make this place look downright friendly.
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Ill tell you what, Wows forums is the last place to look for how a forum should operate, I have a sour sour taste in my mouth from that POS forum, I never posted on it but it was so bad before I couldnt even read it without going into a rage fit. Nope, if Tor's forums cant incorporate server forums well, then by all means spare us the pain and suffering by keeping them out that has plaqued Wows forums since I can remember.
The only reason I don't like this is due to guild recruitment. When I played WoW across the various servers I did throughout my account activity, I used the specific server forums quite a bit to locate the specific types of guilds I wanted to raid with. If they can come up with a solution other than lumping all guild recruitment posts into one forum, forcing users to endlessly bump topics and manage their threads, I'm all for it.
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