it'snot about the technology, its about confort and coolness
with the 3D, christ do i feel unconfortable playing or watching a movie in 3D, i watched avatar in 3D and i was tired at the end of the movie.
i would rather see a superHD than 3D.
i would rather see the sparkles on sparkles instead of sparkles closer to me.
now if it's an interactive ride that lasts 7-12 minutes in an ausement park, now its worth making it 3D, nothing like have a dinosaur atempt to bite your head off without the danger of a plastic robot decapitating you.
I will say this in the defense of 3D. It is nothing like the 3D paper blue/red glasses of yester year movies.
I understand those who have medical issues with 3D, but for those who think its a gimmick and pass it off as such, have not really experienced it.
Let me expalin. First the glasses are active LCD's. You can adjust the depth of field of the 3D for example:
I can have the UI and the foreground (character and things roughly in a 10 meter radius) jump out and seperate themselves from the game world, while distant items and back look traditional 2D. I can then scroll the 3D depth beyond so if there was a road with five trees traversing the road with grass and objects along the side to about 50m out from my character, all that would be 3D. The depth is crazy looking and makes the game world pop!
Batmen: Archam City is way cool since it was developed with 3D in mind like a movie filmed in 3D. Most games take advantage of it but the ones designed with 3D in mind is just crazy looking.
With that said, I would agree with some here that it can cause headaches or make your eyes get tired faster than normal. I can play for about an hour before I have to take a break because it is over stimulous for my eyes. Usually I just turn it off and continue to play.
I don't play all games in 3D because some just look okay and have a small depth of view. TOR for example was just okay in 3D when running around but if you jumped into space combat the 3D really stands out in this type of environment. The explosions and smoke contrals of debre or missiles JUMP off the black/star background of space. Same goes for flying by asteroids or cap ships. Very nice!
Anyways, its not for everyone and it can get expensive if you have to buy a new card, new montior and then the 3D glasses.
I would recommend going to a store that maybe has Batman playing or another good game to show it off before completly passing on it. To each their own.
I see no other reason. All the games i've played. Uncharted 3, Super Stardust HD Gran Turismo 5, Batman Arkam City and even WOW is apparently awesome in 3D!
If you can get it i say give it a try, it really improves some games. Sure, it wouldn't really benefit all games, but it's a nice alternative to sometimes use and it's not really that expensicve[mod edit]
3D might be the 'next thing', but it is BAD FOR THE EYES - PERIOD!
Our eyes are used to REAL 3D as we experience it in the real world. Making virtual 3D might be 'easy' to see for a limited period of time, but in the end, your eyes will keep focussing to correct the virtual 3D displayed from a 2D image, which wil ture your eyes and result in a headache in the end.
My eyes for one are 100% NOT SUITED for virtual 3D (a focussing anomaly), and even if I could, I'd not use virtual 3D for gaming / movies.
Some suggest it's also bad for the brain as it does some rewiring as a side effect. More research needs to be done.
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Some games look like GARBAGE in 3-D. It takes out a lot of the great looking textures and pushes them around to make it hurt my eyes all the while trying to focus on the damn screen. Sometimes it can look okay, in certain movies, but even then it feels like a cheap gimmick to get people to spend 4 more dollars or however much to see a fancy bullet pop out at you.
I dislike 3D because it gives me a headache and im forced to cut my gaming sessions short (under an hour).
It has nothing to do with affording the hardware.
I agree with this 100%. I can't even really enjoy 3d movies because it makes my head spin. Funny how I can play games for hours on end, but can't even watch a full 3d movie without feeling a little ill.
I wouldn't mind 3d if I didn't have to wear the glasses, but I think without the glasses you cannot have 3d? (at least not yet! I am sure it will change eventually).
I wouldn't doubt games in 3d are infact a lot cooler to look at, but I just cannot stand the glasses myself either.
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Originally posted by Dragim Originally posted by Z3R01 I dislike 3D because it gives me a headache and im forced to cut my gaming sessions short (under an hour). It has nothing to do with affording the hardware.
I agree with this 100%. I can't even really enjoy 3d movies because it makes my head spin. Funny how I can play games for hours on end, but can't even watch a full 3d movie without feeling a little ill. I wouldn't mind 3d if I didn't have to wear the glasses, but I think without the glasses you cannot have 3d? (at least not yet! I am sure it will change eventually). I wouldn't doubt games in 3d are infact a lot cooler to look at, but I just cannot stand the glasses myself either.
Glasses free so far only works on small screens because the membrane they use to simulate the stereo viewing needs to positioned for the viewer. One larger screens it's sadly about the same metric. SO, in a theater with everyone wearing glasses they can be where so ever they want... Glasses-free you'd have to pack everyone into a much tighter group to hit the optimal viewing angle.
So maybe for personal screens in the future instead of portable gaming systems and cell phones.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I agree with this 100%. I can't even really enjoy 3d movies because it makes my head spin. Funny how I can play games for hours on end, but can't even watch a full 3d movie without feeling a little ill.
I wouldn't mind 3d if I didn't have to wear the glasses, but I think without the glasses you cannot have 3d? (at least not yet! I am sure it will change eventually).
I wouldn't doubt games in 3d are infact a lot cooler to look at, but I just cannot stand the glasses myself either.
You can, but so far does the technology just work well for smaller screens. Samsung have gone pretty far with it for larger as well but it will take a few more years for a large 3D TV to hit the market.
Right now there are phones and the Nintendo 3DS that uses this technology commercially, and I am not sure if the phones are sold outside Japan yet (they have had them for 2 year there).
The thing is that if you just have a pair of glasses with the entire screen on it isn't as bad as glasses + TV.
I dislike 3D because it gives me a headache and im forced to cut my gaming sessions short (under an hour).
It has nothing to do with affording the hardware.
Agreed. Mabye when they come out with 3D tv's that do not require 3d glasses, but until then, I prefer non 3d. Honey!!! Where's the aspirin, I have a headache!!!
The really funny thing is that all of our fat old CRT TVs and monitors could handle 3D just fine. I still have an old set of NVidia rebranded Eye3D glasses from like 7 years ago. They're of the LCD shutter type too. HD is great and all for clarity, but the refresh rate, even for 3D TVs is still far behind the old stuff. Anyone else remember when you couldn't use an LCD monitor for gaming at all because of the blur?
for the non-technical (not being patronizing) - 3D works by the display alternating quickly between slightly different images for the left and right eye. The glasses are either the LCD shutter type, which blanks out each eye in sync with the images, or the polarized type, which is where the images are polarized in opposing directions matching the polarization of the left and right lenses in the glasses. Therefore, the clarity of 3D is all about the refresh rate of the display or how fast it can change between images for the L and R eyes
I love 3D, honestly just bought my TV because of the picture quality and the 3D features were just a bonus but I played Uncharted 3 in 3d and wow it blew my socks away. Didn't really expect much but it really does do a rather great job with immersion.
When TV was first invented and not shown to the public yet, it was 3D, the inventor then dropped that design for a 2D display design for the simple fact, we see it as 3D on 2D screen anyway. When you play 2D, you don't view your fps game as 2D when playing, your mind sees it as 3D, you sense depth, you have a sense of 3D objects and world. So you'll always have people whose minds get on with with 3D'ing their 3d mind, if that makes sense, and people whose minds don't get on with it, for this reason, 3D gaming, and media in general, will never put a stop to gaming/movie watching on 2D monitors/screens as its the visual form of Marmite, you either hate it or love it.
I don't see the '3D' part of it. I just see a blurry image. I'm alos one of those people that don't see the 'magic eye' puzzles, or most optical illusions.
3D movies were invented in what, the 50s? From what I'm told they fell out of popular use because people were vomiting at drive-in theaters because their eyes could not handle the strain of certain popular horror films in 3D.
First points, the 3d effect is drastically superior to anything i have seen in the cinema with a few caveats below
The 3d effect is adjustable via the nvidia software the depth and convergence, and with some tweaking there are some massively drasmatic effects
However, to properly experience the greater depth effects you need to slowly build up your adjustment to it. In fact, for the first few hours i saw nothing at all except confusing imagery.
Certain games work better than others, anything with a UI may cause issues, as do games which use sprites for things like blood splatter on the screen. Although nowadays most main stream games are handled correctly.
favourite games and comments:
Battlefield 3: really really good but takes some serious hardware
Trine 2: little gem of a game, very fun, fantastic 3d effect, nice side scrolling with occasional pop out for hte occasional surprise, ui is a bit funky.
Batman arkham city. very good 3d effect not too hardware intensive.
I laugh at people who bring "3D" into a discussion... Seriously, this is no new invention. It's just a re-marketing of an excisting product that has not recieved much attention in the past.
I went into two so called "full 3D movies" - again, laugh at that term... what is "half 3D?" (yes I know, only some highlights) - and got headache twice.
You simply go auto-hatred when this topic comes up - because mainly it's a pure rip-off.
currently there isnt anything on the market that is really 3d.. and with that caveat perhaps i'd better explain better, what passes for 3d currently is just a clever phasing of the viewable image that fools the brain into thinking its looking at something with depth.. achieved either by wearing glasses that mechanically operate shutters to keep one open while the other is not, or the more 'popular' passive variety.. either way, its just a 'trick' to fool the eyes.. and not really all that impressive either, and doesnt work for around 1 in 10 people anyway... so.. yes.. current 3d displays 'suck'
seems im not alone, the real issue I have with 3D is the additional eye-strain it gives me. I managed to sit through avatar just about in 3D but couldn't work for days after. I can work all day then game all night without issue. drop an hour of 3D into the mix and its a trip to the real world for me for the next day or two.
Once the technology improves somewhat sure, but for now not for me.
I dont understand all this hype about 3D games. With the graphics nowadays, like skyrim, the detail is mind boggling, if you have the computer to run it turned up.
These new games with enhanced graphics actually give you the feeling of 3D. Do I need some Orcs axe touching my nose? hell no.
3D is very exhausting for my eyes after a while. That's one of main reason I don't like it.
Same with cinema. I can watch 3D movie once in a while ,but really I could not watch them all the time. One of reasons I visit cinemas less often cause like 2/3 of times when movie is shown is in 3D. It is just not so great imo + is very tiring and in some movies it can even cause head pain. My sister have it even worse she can't watch it longer than 15-20 min, cause she get nausea and dizzynes, etc
So 3D is just a 'funky feature' for me.
I can't unerstand how someone could play games / watch movies with 3D all the time. It is just worse. (for me ofc).
I wish I had a console to test my TV. It converts 2D to 3D on the fly, and is pretty decent at it, especially animated stuff.
PC gaming has some huge hurdles to overcome for 3D. You need a vid card that CONSISTENTLY does 60 FPS, no moer, no less, or else it'll just be horrendous.
I've seen demos for 3D gaming though, and when it happens it'll be worth it. It's so much easier to see what's going on.
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it'snot about the technology, its about confort and coolness
with the 3D, christ do i feel unconfortable playing or watching a movie in 3D, i watched avatar in 3D and i was tired at the end of the movie.
i would rather see a superHD than 3D.
i would rather see the sparkles on sparkles instead of sparkles closer to me.
now if it's an interactive ride that lasts 7-12 minutes in an ausement park, now its worth making it 3D, nothing like have a dinosaur atempt to bite your head off without the danger of a plastic robot decapitating you.
I'm enjoying the 3DS more than I thought I would and don't mind catching 3D movies.
Directors just need to quit doing so many short choppy cuts (it's a lazy form of film making anyway) and pace things for people's eyes to adjust.
I'd like to play UC3 in 3D just because a preview I saw at a little event he fire looked amazing.
It may just be a gimmick, but it's a fun one for those with a reasonable constitution.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I will say this in the defense of 3D. It is nothing like the 3D paper blue/red glasses of yester year movies.
I understand those who have medical issues with 3D, but for those who think its a gimmick and pass it off as such, have not really experienced it.
Let me expalin. First the glasses are active LCD's. You can adjust the depth of field of the 3D for example:
I can have the UI and the foreground (character and things roughly in a 10 meter radius) jump out and seperate themselves from the game world, while distant items and back look traditional 2D. I can then scroll the 3D depth beyond so if there was a road with five trees traversing the road with grass and objects along the side to about 50m out from my character, all that would be 3D. The depth is crazy looking and makes the game world pop!
Batmen: Archam City is way cool since it was developed with 3D in mind like a movie filmed in 3D. Most games take advantage of it but the ones designed with 3D in mind is just crazy looking.
With that said, I would agree with some here that it can cause headaches or make your eyes get tired faster than normal. I can play for about an hour before I have to take a break because it is over stimulous for my eyes. Usually I just turn it off and continue to play.
I don't play all games in 3D because some just look okay and have a small depth of view. TOR for example was just okay in 3D when running around but if you jumped into space combat the 3D really stands out in this type of environment. The explosions and smoke contrals of debre or missiles JUMP off the black/star background of space. Same goes for flying by asteroids or cap ships. Very nice!
Anyways, its not for everyone and it can get expensive if you have to buy a new card, new montior and then the 3D glasses.
I would recommend going to a store that maybe has Batman playing or another good game to show it off before completly passing on it. To each their own.
Some suggest it's also bad for the brain as it does some rewiring as a side effect. More research needs to be done.
I get headaches and eye strains.
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Some games look like GARBAGE in 3-D. It takes out a lot of the great looking textures and pushes them around to make it hurt my eyes all the while trying to focus on the damn screen. Sometimes it can look okay, in certain movies, but even then it feels like a cheap gimmick to get people to spend 4 more dollars or however much to see a fancy bullet pop out at you.
I will not wear any glasses while I play no matter what.
When they solve that issue I will try out 3D games but not before.
The only glasses I would be willing to wear while gaming would be VR glasses.
I agree with this 100%. I can't even really enjoy 3d movies because it makes my head spin. Funny how I can play games for hours on end, but can't even watch a full 3d movie without feeling a little ill.
I wouldn't mind 3d if I didn't have to wear the glasses, but I think without the glasses you cannot have 3d? (at least not yet! I am sure it will change eventually).
I wouldn't doubt games in 3d are infact a lot cooler to look at, but I just cannot stand the glasses myself either.
I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.
I wouldn't mind 3d if I didn't have to wear the glasses, but I think without the glasses you cannot have 3d? (at least not yet! I am sure it will change eventually).
I wouldn't doubt games in 3d are infact a lot cooler to look at, but I just cannot stand the glasses myself either.
Glasses free so far only works on small screens because the membrane they use to simulate the stereo viewing needs to positioned for the viewer. One larger screens it's sadly about the same metric. SO, in a theater with everyone wearing glasses they can be where so ever they want... Glasses-free you'd have to pack everyone into a much tighter group to hit the optimal viewing angle.
So maybe for personal screens in the future instead of portable gaming systems and cell phones.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
3D doesn't suck it's just not needed.
You can, but so far does the technology just work well for smaller screens. Samsung have gone pretty far with it for larger as well but it will take a few more years for a large 3D TV to hit the market.
Right now there are phones and the Nintendo 3DS that uses this technology commercially, and I am not sure if the phones are sold outside Japan yet (they have had them for 2 year there).
The thing is that if you just have a pair of glasses with the entire screen on it isn't as bad as glasses + TV.
Agreed. Mabye when they come out with 3D tv's that do not require 3d glasses, but until then, I prefer non 3d. Honey!!! Where's the aspirin, I have a headache!!!
The really funny thing is that all of our fat old CRT TVs and monitors could handle 3D just fine. I still have an old set of NVidia rebranded Eye3D glasses from like 7 years ago. They're of the LCD shutter type too. HD is great and all for clarity, but the refresh rate, even for 3D TVs is still far behind the old stuff. Anyone else remember when you couldn't use an LCD monitor for gaming at all because of the blur?
for the non-technical (not being patronizing) - 3D works by the display alternating quickly between slightly different images for the left and right eye. The glasses are either the LCD shutter type, which blanks out each eye in sync with the images, or the polarized type, which is where the images are polarized in opposing directions matching the polarization of the left and right lenses in the glasses. Therefore, the clarity of 3D is all about the refresh rate of the display or how fast it can change between images for the L and R eyes
I love 3D, honestly just bought my TV because of the picture quality and the 3D features were just a bonus but I played Uncharted 3 in 3d and wow it blew my socks away. Didn't really expect much but it really does do a rather great job with immersion.
I have the same feeling with you
When TV was first invented and not shown to the public yet, it was 3D, the inventor then dropped that design for a 2D display design for the simple fact, we see it as 3D on 2D screen anyway. When you play 2D, you don't view your fps game as 2D when playing, your mind sees it as 3D, you sense depth, you have a sense of 3D objects and world. So you'll always have people whose minds get on with with 3D'ing their 3d mind, if that makes sense, and people whose minds don't get on with it, for this reason, 3D gaming, and media in general, will never put a stop to gaming/movie watching on 2D monitors/screens as its the visual form of Marmite, you either hate it or love it.
I don't see the '3D' part of it. I just see a blurry image. I'm alos one of those people that don't see the 'magic eye' puzzles, or most optical illusions.
3D movies were invented in what, the 50s? From what I'm told they fell out of popular use because people were vomiting at drive-in theaters because their eyes could not handle the strain of certain popular horror films in 3D.
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I have 120hz monitor and nvidia 3d tech
First points, the 3d effect is drastically superior to anything i have seen in the cinema with a few caveats below
The 3d effect is adjustable via the nvidia software the depth and convergence, and with some tweaking there are some massively drasmatic effects
However, to properly experience the greater depth effects you need to slowly build up your adjustment to it. In fact, for the first few hours i saw nothing at all except confusing imagery.
Certain games work better than others, anything with a UI may cause issues, as do games which use sprites for things like blood splatter on the screen. Although nowadays most main stream games are handled correctly.
favourite games and comments:
Battlefield 3: really really good but takes some serious hardware
Trine 2: little gem of a game, very fun, fantastic 3d effect, nice side scrolling with occasional pop out for hte occasional surprise, ui is a bit funky.
Batman arkham city. very good 3d effect not too hardware intensive.
I laugh at people who bring "3D" into a discussion... Seriously, this is no new invention. It's just a re-marketing of an excisting product that has not recieved much attention in the past.
I went into two so called "full 3D movies" - again, laugh at that term... what is "half 3D?" (yes I know, only some highlights) - and got headache twice.
You simply go auto-hatred when this topic comes up - because mainly it's a pure rip-off.
currently there isnt anything on the market that is really 3d.. and with that caveat perhaps i'd better explain better, what passes for 3d currently is just a clever phasing of the viewable image that fools the brain into thinking its looking at something with depth.. achieved either by wearing glasses that mechanically operate shutters to keep one open while the other is not, or the more 'popular' passive variety.. either way, its just a 'trick' to fool the eyes.. and not really all that impressive either, and doesnt work for around 1 in 10 people anyway... so.. yes.. current 3d displays 'suck'
seems im not alone, the real issue I have with 3D is the additional eye-strain it gives me. I managed to sit through avatar just about in 3D but couldn't work for days after. I can work all day then game all night without issue. drop an hour of 3D into the mix and its a trip to the real world for me for the next day or two.
Once the technology improves somewhat sure, but for now not for me.
I dont understand all this hype about 3D games. With the graphics nowadays, like skyrim, the detail is mind boggling, if you have the computer to run it turned up.
These new games with enhanced graphics actually give you the feeling of 3D. Do I need some Orcs axe touching my nose? hell no.
3D is very exhausting for my eyes after a while. That's one of main reason I don't like it.
Same with cinema. I can watch 3D movie once in a while ,but really I could not watch them all the time. One of reasons I visit cinemas less often cause like 2/3 of times when movie is shown is in 3D. It is just not so great imo + is very tiring and in some movies it can even cause head pain. My sister have it even worse she can't watch it longer than 15-20 min, cause she get nausea and dizzynes, etc
So 3D is just a 'funky feature' for me.
I can't unerstand how someone could play games / watch movies with 3D all the time. It is just worse. (for me ofc).
I wish I had a console to test my TV. It converts 2D to 3D on the fly, and is pretty decent at it, especially animated stuff.
PC gaming has some huge hurdles to overcome for 3D. You need a vid card that CONSISTENTLY does 60 FPS, no moer, no less, or else it'll just be horrendous.
I've seen demos for 3D gaming though, and when it happens it'll be worth it. It's so much easier to see what's going on.