Eh you might be both, DA2 was easly in the 80s. Just because it's not a copy of the first doesn't make it bad. It's a great game with 10x the content of most games released these days, and the combat alone is fun as hell.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and tastes. But if you think DA2 was worth a score in the 80s then you set the bar pretty low.
And I would rather look at user reviews than so called Professional ones. Seems like even very poorly done games get great reviews. If it launches when you press play that warrents a 7 nowdays.
How can that be?! Maybe them paid critics do have some integrity and objectivity? What is the meaning of this?
But wait... It's published by Take-Two. Who the heck are Take-Two? Um.... I wonder what the "objective" critic score would be if it was published by say, EA.... Do I need to link that DA2 page again?
BTW
EVE Online published by some CCP dudes from Iceland no one's ever heard of.
critic score: 6.9
user score: 8.2
Do I really need to spell it out? Open your eyes people...
Eh you might be both, DA2 was easly in the 80s. Just because it's not a copy of the first doesn't make it bad. It's a great game with 10x the content of most games released these days, and the combat alone is fun as hell.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and tastes. But if you think DA2 was worth a score in the 80s then you set the bar pretty low.
And I would rather look at user reviews than so called Professional ones. Seems like even very poorly done games get great reviews. If it launches when you press play that warrents a 7 nowdays.
How can that be?! Maybe them paid critics do have some integrity and objectivity? What is the meaning of this?
But wait... It's published by Take-Two. Who the heck are Take-Two? Um.... I wonder what the "objective" critic score would be if it was published by say, EA.... Do I need to link that DA2 page again?
BTW
EVE Online published by some CCP dudes from Iceland no one's ever heard of.
critic score: 6.9
user score: 8.2
Do I really need to spell it out? Open your eyes people...
Pretty much well put.. Just to show you how much the name of BIOWARE matters.
Crew skills are probably the worst way that i've seen crafting handled in any MMO, ever.
I disagree, allowing players to craft while completing missions and or running (i.e. turning in quests) is well planned and fresh compared to sitting in a capital city filled with ignorant /1 or /2 anal spam.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
Crew skills are probably the worst way that i've seen crafting handled in any MMO, ever.
I disagree, allowing players to craft while completing missions and or running (i.e. turning in quests) is well planned and fresh compared to sitting in a capital city filled with ignorant /1 or /2 anal spam.
The reasons I hate it:
1) Crafting will always be an afterthought because everyone is a crafter.
2) Crafting should take some dedication - not just mindless time and money sink of sending out a companion to do it.
3) Crafting system should control the games economy thereby incetivising hardcore crafters and giving them a chance to make a name for themselves.
4) Because the crafting system is tacked-on you will never have crafted gear thats i on par with top end gear. Thereby making only the only crafts in the game worth taking the ones that give you combat re-usable items instead of gear.
These things off the top my head are why the crafting system is vastly inferior to an actual crafting system.
I remember when reviews used to be SCATHING! I wish those kind of reviews still existed.
Bring back the scathing reviews!!!
Would be MUUUUUCH better than the coddling reviews that we get today. Mediocrity is accepted on all sites that do reviews and people don't read them or take them seriously because of it.
Crew skills are probably the worst way that i've seen crafting handled in any MMO, ever.
I disagree, allowing players to craft while completing missions and or running (i.e. turning in quests) is well planned and fresh compared to sitting in a capital city filled with ignorant /1 or /2 anal spam.
Haven't you realized already?
Most people complaining on these forums (this vocal minority of never happy people not representing mmo players) are always complaining that all the games are playing in the same way and never introducing anything new.
But as soon as a game tries something different, they are complainign again that it doesn't play like their old game they are used to.
Most people complaining on these forums (this vocal minority of never happy people not representing mmo players) are always complaining that all the games are playing in the same way and never introducing anything new.
But as soon as a game tries something different, they are complainign again that it doesn't play like their old game they are used to.
The trick isn't doing something new or original. Originality is pretty easy, when you think about it. The trick is to do something different and good.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
This, user reviews are worthless, his example for it is the exact reason why it fails, you can dislike what they did with DA2 all you want but to nerdrage and rate it a one shows how foollish someone is.
Heres a good example of a metacritic user review "oh no they change this thing i liked? well the game is garbage 1/10"
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Crew skills are probably the worst way that i've seen crafting handled in any MMO, ever.
I disagree, allowing players to craft while completing missions and or running (i.e. turning in quests) is well planned and fresh compared to sitting in a capital city filled with ignorant /1 or /2 anal spam.
Haven't you realized already?
Most people complaining on these forums (this vocal minority of never happy people not representing mmo players) are always complaining that all the games are playing in the same way and never introducing anything new.
But as soon as a game tries something different, they are complainign again that it doesn't play like their old game they are used to.
I dont like automation in my MMORPG. Sorry, I'd like to do the crafting and the gathering myself. Not lick a button and wait.
Thats the biggest reason that I cannot play EVE - the skill leveling system in that game is the worst for me in any MMORPG ever.
This, user reviews are worthless, his example for it is the exact reason why it fails, you can dislike what they did with DA2 all you want but to nerdrage and rate it a one shows how foollish someone is.
Heres a good example of a metacritic user review "oh no they change this thing i liked? well the game is garbage 1/10"
Look i can do reviews like you too!
OH WOW ANOTHER BIOWARE GAME
10/10 perfection!
Fanboy to the end. Be subjective if you like something or didn't. If you are an extremist it makes your point lose all steam.
As a long standing player of MMORPG's, and a veteran of the "Overhyped MMO" era. I can honestly say that SWTOR is just another over-hyped singleplayer StarWars game with COOP elements.
Game is ACTUALLY a 6.4
As a long standing player of MMORPG's, and a veteran of the "Overhyped MMO" era, I can honestly say that SWTOR is the best new release since WoW and fully deserving of the 8.7 rating MMORPG.com gave it.
See what I did there?
UO '99 what what?
12-13 years MMO gaming and I am having more fun in TOR than I have had in MMOs in a long, long time.
Crew skills are probably the worst way that i've seen crafting handled in any MMO, ever.
I disagree, allowing players to craft while completing missions and or running (i.e. turning in quests) is well planned and fresh compared to sitting in a capital city filled with ignorant /1 or /2 anal spam.
Haven't you realized already?
Most people complaining on these forums (this vocal minority of never happy people not representing mmo players) are always complaining that all the games are playing in the same way and never introducing anything new.
But as soon as a game tries something different, they are complainign again that it doesn't play like their old game they are used to.
I guess they complain because all we have gotten in the last 5 years is more of the same old crap..smash and grab the cash mmo's. swtor hasn't tried anything new and it even leaves out some standard mmo features. the world is lifeless, the combat system is unresponsive, its too easy. character creation is laughable. the character models are poor and the races are just reskinned humans.. just look at the casino on nar shaddaa its pathetic. for the money spent on this game it's very poor. 6/10
"What sets “Crew Skills” apart from your typical crafting experience is the fact that the system is entirely time based and isn’t actually done by the player character"
I don't really see the fun in having AI do it for you. Is the review leaving something out here? Seems more like it's a minigame rather than crafting. I guess if they're going to have a boring crafting system it might as well be automated, though.
Doesn't seem like this should be a pro to me at all. More like a wash.
I find the crew skill fun. I think the reverse engineering process is flat out one of the best things they could ever have in crafting. Even if it IS ruined by the god forsaken GTN -.-
But yah! Most crafted gear has 15 different reverse engineered purple versions along with 5 different blue versions. So 1 green gear -> 5 blue version so that -> 3 purple versions of each blue. Thats a friggin lot. Now coming from WoW who got server first of collecting all the engineering schematics in vanilla and TBC (and lets face it people thought engineering was useless. But those tonks were the frikken BAWMB) I think thats something I am going to spend a LOT of time collecting. Nothing like being able to provide gear for the lowbies! @_@
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Seems reasonable to me. Its not the greatest thing since slice bread but its also not as bad as the haters will have you think. 8.5 is on target in my view. It would be a 9+ in my books if it had a customizable UI, chat bubbles, lvl tiered pvp and better armor textures.
As a long standing player of MMORPG's, and a veteran of the "Overhyped MMO" era. I can honestly say that SWTOR is just another over-hyped singleplayer StarWars game with COOP elements.
Game is ACTUALLY a 6.4
Strange, Ive been able to do missions with other people in every zone I've been in. I've even seen other people in my zone running around doing missions with others as well. After , I went to the city where I saw a bunch of people using the galactic exchange. Once I was done listing my things to sell, I took a speeder over to the spaceport and went to the Imperial Fleet where ...you guessed it ... I saw a TON of more people. From there I went up to do a flashpoint where several people were standingaround waiting to do the same thing. We hooked up and "coop"d a flashpoint. After I was done, I went back to my single player game and hunted holocrons with friends ....
TOR for a single player co-op game should get that high of a score. For a MMO with any depth it deserves something less than a 5.
This is such a false statement. Tor has everything any themepark mmo has for grouping The one big diffrence is they actually encourage grouping at low levels with there heroic quests
There social systems also encourages it with some nice moddable gear . The truth is tor is every bit an mmo as any themepark out there today.
u can say otherwise all uw ant but it doesnt make it true. Even the guy who reviewed the game took this statement to task.
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On another note...
Duke Nuke'em Forever
critic score: 54
user score: 5.8
How can that be?! Maybe them paid critics do have some integrity and objectivity? What is the meaning of this?
But wait... It's published by Take-Two. Who the heck are Take-Two? Um.... I wonder what the "objective" critic score would be if it was published by say, EA.... Do I need to link that DA2 page again?
BTW
EVE Online published by some CCP dudes from Iceland no one's ever heard of.
critic score: 6.9
user score: 8.2
Do I really need to spell it out? Open your eyes people...
I think you took what I posted out of context.
Maybe what I should have said is- To most reviewers if it launches when you press play it warrents a 7.
Didnt mean that I thought it deserved a 7 just for launching.
Pretty much well put.. Just to show you how much the name of BIOWARE matters.
Metascore --- 85 based on 45 critics.
Average player rating: 4.2 based on 3320 ratings.
I bought it and played it I think a 4.2 is being generous.
I disagree, allowing players to craft while completing missions and or running (i.e. turning in quests) is well planned and fresh compared to sitting in a capital city filled with ignorant /1 or /2 anal spam.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
The reasons I hate it:
1) Crafting will always be an afterthought because everyone is a crafter.
2) Crafting should take some dedication - not just mindless time and money sink of sending out a companion to do it.
3) Crafting system should control the games economy thereby incetivising hardcore crafters and giving them a chance to make a name for themselves.
4) Because the crafting system is tacked-on you will never have crafted gear thats i on par with top end gear. Thereby making only the only crafts in the game worth taking the ones that give you combat re-usable items instead of gear.
These things off the top my head are why the crafting system is vastly inferior to an actual crafting system.
I remember when reviews used to be SCATHING! I wish those kind of reviews still existed.
Bring back the scathing reviews!!!
Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.
Would be MUUUUUCH better than the coddling reviews that we get today. Mediocrity is accepted on all sites that do reviews and people don't read them or take them seriously because of it.
Haven't you realized already?
Most people complaining on these forums (this vocal minority of never happy people not representing mmo players) are always complaining that all the games are playing in the same way and never introducing anything new.
But as soon as a game tries something different, they are complainign again that it doesn't play like their old game they are used to.
The trick isn't doing something new or original. Originality is pretty easy, when you think about it. The trick is to do something different and good.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
This, user reviews are worthless, his example for it is the exact reason why it fails, you can dislike what they did with DA2 all you want but to nerdrage and rate it a one shows how foollish someone is.
Heres a good example of a metacritic user review "oh no they change this thing i liked? well the game is garbage 1/10"
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
I dont like automation in my MMORPG. Sorry, I'd like to do the crafting and the gathering myself. Not lick a button and wait.
Thats the biggest reason that I cannot play EVE - the skill leveling system in that game is the worst for me in any MMORPG ever.
Look i can do reviews like you too!
OH WOW ANOTHER BIOWARE GAME
10/10 perfection!
Fanboy to the end. Be subjective if you like something or didn't. If you are an extremist it makes your point lose all steam.
As a long standing player of MMORPG's, and a veteran of the "Overhyped MMO" era, I can honestly say that SWTOR is the best new release since WoW and fully deserving of the 8.7 rating MMORPG.com gave it.
See what I did there?
UO '99 what what?
12-13 years MMO gaming and I am having more fun in TOR than I have had in MMOs in a long, long time.
I guess they complain because all we have gotten in the last 5 years is more of the same old crap..smash and grab the cash mmo's. swtor hasn't tried anything new and it even leaves out some standard mmo features. the world is lifeless, the combat system is unresponsive, its too easy. character creation is laughable. the character models are poor and the races are just reskinned humans.. just look at the casino on nar shaddaa its pathetic. for the money spent on this game it's very poor. 6/10
Ever stop and think that TOR doesn't deserve a scathing review because, you know, they actually feel it's a good game?
Go read the FFXIV review if you want scathing. No seriously go read it. MMORPG.com gave it a 5.1.
Unpassable and failing with only a few bright notes and enough optimism and future hopes brought it to a 5.1.
Just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean it's bad.
It may be bad for you, but the objective of a review is to be.. objective!
I find the crew skill fun. I think the reverse engineering process is flat out one of the best things they could ever have in crafting. Even if it IS ruined by the god forsaken GTN -.-
But yah! Most crafted gear has 15 different reverse engineered purple versions along with 5 different blue versions. So 1 green gear -> 5 blue version so that -> 3 purple versions of each blue. Thats a friggin lot. Now coming from WoW who got server first of collecting all the engineering schematics in vanilla and TBC (and lets face it people thought engineering was useless. But those tonks were the frikken BAWMB) I think thats something I am going to spend a LOT of time collecting. Nothing like being able to provide gear for the lowbies! @_@
''/\/\'' Posted using Iphone bunni
( o.o)
(")(")
**This bunny was cloned from bunnies belonging to Gobla and is part of the Quizzical Fanclub and the The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club**
Seems reasonable to me. Its not the greatest thing since slice bread but its also not as bad as the haters will have you think. 8.5 is on target in my view. It would be a 9+ in my books if it had a customizable UI, chat bubbles, lvl tiered pvp and better armor textures.
You do know 4chan neg-bombes certain meta critic user reviews....right? They planned on doing it a month before ToR's release.
Linknig MC userreviews is a clear indicatin of losing an arguement, and generally being wrong. The game got an 8.7 here,and is 8.6 average.
Strange, Ive been able to do missions with other people in every zone I've been in. I've even seen other people in my zone running around doing missions with others as well. After , I went to the city where I saw a bunch of people using the galactic exchange. Once I was done listing my things to sell, I took a speeder over to the spaceport and went to the Imperial Fleet where ...you guessed it ... I saw a TON of more people. From there I went up to do a flashpoint where several people were standingaround waiting to do the same thing. We hooked up and "coop"d a flashpoint. After I was done, I went back to my single player game and hunted holocrons with friends ....
This is such a false statement. Tor has everything any themepark mmo has for grouping The one big diffrence is they actually encourage grouping at low levels with there heroic quests
There social systems also encourages it with some nice moddable gear . The truth is tor is every bit an mmo as any themepark out there today.
u can say otherwise all uw ant but it doesnt make it true. Even the guy who reviewed the game took this statement to task.
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