Have you seen a waterfall yet? I swear it's the worst looking waterfall animation I've seen in any MMO.
Add "you can't swim", let alone "swim underwater", to the huge list of things common in other MMOs and yet strangely absent from this one.
Beacuse none of the stories have an underwater chapter... lol
Going to an underwater city would have been awesome IMO.
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Oh, and nice job on calling me a "troll". Nice use of nerd terminology there.
No your being absurdly critical of a terrain feature in the game that has no effect (at this point) in the game. Nice attempt of an insult, face it your trolling.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
Add "you can't swim", let alone "swim underwater", to the huge list of things common in other MMOs and yet strangely absent from this one.
is it really common?
can't swim under water in LOTRO
Can't swim in Aion
I don't recall swimming in Guild Wars
Couldn't swim at all in Lineage 2 when it was released
I don't recall coming across swimming in my time in CoH but there very well could be swimming areas somewhere in the game.
My thought is that games don't add swimming unless they have some sort of underwater content. It's probably unfair to point out SWToR in this regard when other games don't have it or have limited swimming.
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Oh, and nice job on calling me a "troll". Nice use of nerd terminology there.
No your being absurdly critical of a terrain feature in the game that has no effect (at this point) in the game. Nice attempt of an insult, face it your trolling.
First of all, its you're, not your.
Second of all, I'm pointing out that its not a BUG that the water in the game vanishes when a camera goes beneath it. I'm playing TOR right NOW, I'm logged in and on Coruscant. I think its a fun MMORPG.
Finally, you're the one attempting to throw insults around.
Yes the troll responding with a spelling lesson and an insult when called out about "They, don't, care, about, their, water. Its not a bug. Its an intentional lack of giving a crap."
Which goes back to what I said about it's a non issue IMO, because there is no water enviroment in game.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
My thought is that games don't add swimming unless they have some sort of underwater content. It's probably unfair to point out SWToR in this regard when other games don't have it or have limited swimming.
I remember it being a big problem with Aion too on the forums .
Yes, exactly! There's no water content in the game, so they don't give a crap about their water. Thats why its in the condition that it is currently in.
They skipped swimming because it really adds nothing to the gameplay.
TBH there is no point in simulating water and swimming unless you do it properly or it just feels shoddy, no MMO has managed to do that yet. E.g. no swimming in armour, water with currents and not being able to swim up waterfalls.
Also as quite a few AOE abilities are targetted on the ground, they simply wouldn't work properly in deep water (which is a design flaw wow has).
They skipped swimming because it really adds nothing to the gameplay.
TBH there is no point in simulating water and swimming unless you do it properly, no MMO has managed to do that yet. E.g. no swimming in armour, water with currents and not being able to swim up waterfalls.
Crap, bad edit: The problem isn't simulating swimming underwater. The problem is MMO's aren't making FUN content underwater.
Oh, and nice job on calling me a "troll". Nice use of nerd terminology there.
No your being absurdly critical of a terrain feature in the game that has no effect (at this point) in the game. Nice attempt of an insult, face it your trolling.
First of all, its (it's) you're, not your.
Second of all, I'm pointing out that its not a BUG that the water in the game vanishes when a camera goes beneath it. I'm playing TOR right NOW, I'm logged in and on Coruscant. I think its a fun MMORPG.
Finally, you're the one attempting to throw insults around.
Sometimes people make it hard not to bring other games into the discussion...
But on topic - and I mean on topic. If the game's going to have points where players can point out obvious graphical issues, then they should definitely have taken steps from preventing obvious graphical issues. Because this screams lazy development.
I don't quite get what the big deal is with the water. There's no underwater content and there's no swimming, so who really cares if the water is anyrhing other than a single blue plane?
I fear the day the whiners realize there's different types of rock in the world and then start complaining about the lack of realistic igneous/sedimentary/etc in their video game's terrain.
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I don't quite get what the big deal is with the water. There's no underwater content and there's no swimming, so who really cares if the water is anyrhing other than a single blue plane?
I fear the day the whiners realize there's different types of rock in the world and then start complaining about the lack of realistic igneous/sedimentary/etc in their video game's terrain.
Where do you draw the line on graphical representations of virtual worlds in your video games? At what point do you feel that even bothering trying to present a believable world... matters?
Would SW:TOR's story and cutscenes be enough for you if it was layered ontop of Minecraft's graphics? (which by the way, has nicer water than TOR.)
They skipped swimming because it really adds nothing to the gameplay.
It adds to rpg immersion, which is a big part of the game. Why do we have the voice overs, etc...? -> mmoRPG.
Reading you, they shouldn't bother with voice overs. It adds nothing to gameplay for some people...
My benchmark for quality mmorps is the footprints. I know of only 2 games showing footprints when walking on sandy, muddy or snowy surfaces: Wow and Aion. It doesn't mean the other games aren't good; they just didn't have enough developer love given to them.
I don't quite get what the big deal is with the water. There's no underwater content and there's no swimming, so who really cares if the water is anyrhing other than a single blue plane?
I fear the day the whiners realize there's different types of rock in the world and then start complaining about the lack of realistic igneous/sedimentary/etc in their video game's terrain.
That's definitely a really bad use of slippery slope. Having underwater environment isn't attention to detail, it's a part of the game that offers gameplay diverse from what players generally experience on land. People are justified the exact same way for wanting there to be actual freely explorable space combat... but they didn't get it. You don't have to care, but it's what people are complaining about because they saw an opportunity for the developers to put something in that they wanted, and they didn't get it.
The original OP however is about the graphics of the water. The big deal about what was shown in the video is that you can pan the camera to a point where the water blatantly disappears, showing poor attention to the graphical quality of the game. The same problem bugged the hell out of me in the original Guild Wars when, in some areas you're allowed to go waist deep in water, but parts of your armors vanished as a result. I loved the game to death but I acknowledged that this was a graphical issue that annoyed me greatly.
I don't quite get what the big deal is with the water. There's no underwater content and there's no swimming, so who really cares if the water is anyrhing other than a single blue plane?
I fear the day the whiners realize there's different types of rock in the world and then start complaining about the lack of realistic igneous/sedimentary/etc in their video game's terrain.
That's definitely a really bad use of slippery slope. Having underwater environment isn't attention to detail, it's a part of the game that offers gameplay diverse from what players generally experience on land. People are justified the exact same way for wanting there to be actual freely explorable space combat... but they didn't get it. You don't have to care, but it's what people are complaining about because they saw an opportunity for the developers to put something in that they wanted, and they didn't get it.
The original OP however is about the graphics of the water. The big deal about what was shown in the video is that you can pan the camera to a point where the water blatantly disappears, showing poor attention to the graphical quality of the game. The same problem bugged the hell out of me in the original Guild Wars when, in some areas you're allowed to go waist deep in water, but parts of your armors vanished as a result. I loved the game to death but I acknowledged that this was a graphical issue that annoyed me greatly.
the space combat thing is just unfinished it will be expanded on or at least form what bioware has said i woudl expect freeroam space combat in a exspansion
I don't quite get what the big deal is with the water. There's no underwater content and there's no swimming, so who really cares if the water is anyrhing other than a single blue plane?
I fear the day the whiners realize there's different types of rock in the world and then start complaining about the lack of realistic igneous/sedimentary/etc in their video game's terrain.
That's definitely a really bad use of slippery slope. Having underwater environment isn't attention to detail, it's a part of the game that offers gameplay diverse from what players generally experience on land. People are justified the exact same way for wanting there to be actual freely explorable space combat... but they didn't get it. You don't have to care, but it's what people are complaining about because they saw an opportunity for the developers to put something in that they wanted, and they didn't get it.
The original OP however is about the graphics of the water. The big deal about what was shown in the video is that you can pan the camera to a point where the water blatantly disappears, showing poor attention to the graphical quality of the game. The same problem bugged the hell out of me in the original Guild Wars when, in some areas you're allowed to go waist deep in water, but parts of your armors vanished as a result. I loved the game to death but I acknowledged that this was a graphical issue that annoyed me greatly.
the space combat thing is just unfinished it will be expanded on or at least form what bioware has said i woudl expect freeroam space combat in a exspansion
They haven't explicitly said that, so there's no real reason to get excited until Bioware presents some concrete example of what players should expect.
but on a more serious note, while the water may not be deep, and/or explorable, the effects of the water (ie: disappearing when the camera moves under the waterline) is common to almost every MMO to date. so why the fuss?
Uh huh, sure it is..........maybe if you made that statement 5-7 years ago
Yeah... that statement made me go WTF?
I think, whiteraven02, you should give some examples?
I just checked a couple of F2P games... and no. One allows swimming underwater and one doesn't - but neither have disappearing water.
I could check a couple more if you like (including one that does not allow swimming) but I think you know that that is simply not true.
It's always the same - people say "It's about the gameplay! NOT the graphics!"
Well... I still play WWIIoL... and believe me it really is about the gameplay in that game... but I am in the minority. People don't like that game because of the (dated) graphics.
A quick seach on this forum could turn up dozens of games that have suffered because players couldn't do simple things like swim, jump, fish, emote...
And water (and the handling of it) along with 'invisible walls' seem to be things that attract a lot of player attention.
Rightly so too. This is (as players have said) 2012. With the computing and graphics capacity available in computers today - water should not be an issue.
It's always the same - people say "It's about the gameplay! NOT the graphics!"
Well... I still play WWIIoL... and believe me it really is about the gameplay in that game... but I am in the minority. People don't like that game because of the (dated) graphics.
A quick seach on this forum could turn up dozens of games that have suffered because players couldn't do simple things like swim, jump, fish, emote...
And water (and the handling of it) along with 'invisible walls' seem to be things that attract a lot of player attention.
Rightly so too. This is (as players have said) 2012. With the computing and graphics capacity available in computers today - water should not be an issue.
One thing people tend to forget is that while this might be 2012 most gamers computers are stuck in the past. High end or medium end gaming rigs are not as prevelant as people seem to think. The higher the requirements the smaller the player base. Thats just the way it is. While most gamers care about graphics they don't care enough to sink money into a rig that can handle the level of graphics they want to see.
I was actually shocked the other day when someone came into my store and complained that TOR's requirements were to high because his brand new gaming rig only had 2gb's of ram. Had to keep from busting out laughing but it's not uncommon for gamers to want more than they are willing to pay for.
So when you say something like "This is 2012........." you have to keep in mind that your average gamer is on a mid tier rig (at best) from 2005 or earlier. Developers know this and Bioware were going after a large market.
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What are you talking about?
I'm not saying water doesn't exist in the game.
Oh, and nice job on calling me a "troll". Nice use of nerd terminology there.
Going to an underwater city would have been awesome IMO.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
No your being absurdly critical of a terrain feature in the game that has no effect (at this point) in the game. Nice attempt of an insult, face it your trolling.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
is it really common?
can't swim under water in LOTRO
Can't swim in Aion
I don't recall swimming in Guild Wars
Couldn't swim at all in Lineage 2 when it was released
I don't recall coming across swimming in my time in CoH but there very well could be swimming areas somewhere in the game.
My thought is that games don't add swimming unless they have some sort of underwater content. It's probably unfair to point out SWToR in this regard when other games don't have it or have limited swimming.
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Yes the troll responding with a spelling lesson and an insult when called out about "They, don't, care, about, their, water. Its not a bug. Its an intentional lack of giving a crap."
Which goes back to what I said about it's a non issue IMO, because there is no water enviroment in game.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
I remember it being a big problem with Aion too on the forums .
Yes, exactly! There's no water content in the game, so they don't give a crap about their water. Thats why its in the condition that it is currently in.
I.E. its junk.
They skipped swimming because it really adds nothing to the gameplay.
TBH there is no point in simulating water and swimming unless you do it properly or it just feels shoddy, no MMO has managed to do that yet. E.g. no swimming in armour, water with currents and not being able to swim up waterfalls.
Also as quite a few AOE abilities are targetted on the ground, they simply wouldn't work properly in deep water (which is a design flaw wow has).
Well, since we're correcting others.
Edit: I correct myself
Oh god if they add underwater cities it will be the start of the "Rise of the Gungans" expansion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkyqSmFgNe0
Age of Conan took water seriously and it has some fun under water content too.
I expect Guild Wars 2 to take that kind of content to the next level.
I expect SW:TOR to never touch water or under water content in its entire lifespan.
Sometimes people make it hard not to bring other games into the discussion...
But on topic - and I mean on topic. If the game's going to have points where players can point out obvious graphical issues, then they should definitely have taken steps from preventing obvious graphical issues. Because this screams lazy development.
I don't quite get what the big deal is with the water. There's no underwater content and there's no swimming, so who really cares if the water is anyrhing other than a single blue plane?
I fear the day the whiners realize there's different types of rock in the world and then start complaining about the lack of realistic igneous/sedimentary/etc in their video game's terrain.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Where do you draw the line on graphical representations of virtual worlds in your video games? At what point do you feel that even bothering trying to present a believable world... matters?
Would SW:TOR's story and cutscenes be enough for you if it was layered ontop of Minecraft's graphics? (which by the way, has nicer water than TOR.)
It adds to rpg immersion, which is a big part of the game. Why do we have the voice overs, etc...? -> mmoRPG.
Reading you, they shouldn't bother with voice overs. It adds nothing to gameplay for some people...
My benchmark for quality mmorps is the footprints. I know of only 2 games showing footprints when walking on sandy, muddy or snowy surfaces: Wow and Aion. It doesn't mean the other games aren't good; they just didn't have enough developer love given to them.
That's definitely a really bad use of slippery slope. Having underwater environment isn't attention to detail, it's a part of the game that offers gameplay diverse from what players generally experience on land. People are justified the exact same way for wanting there to be actual freely explorable space combat... but they didn't get it. You don't have to care, but it's what people are complaining about because they saw an opportunity for the developers to put something in that they wanted, and they didn't get it.
The original OP however is about the graphics of the water. The big deal about what was shown in the video is that you can pan the camera to a point where the water blatantly disappears, showing poor attention to the graphical quality of the game. The same problem bugged the hell out of me in the original Guild Wars when, in some areas you're allowed to go waist deep in water, but parts of your armors vanished as a result. I loved the game to death but I acknowledged that this was a graphical issue that annoyed me greatly.
the space combat thing is just unfinished it will be expanded on or at least form what bioware has said i woudl expect freeroam space combat in a exspansion
They haven't explicitly said that, so there's no real reason to get excited until Bioware presents some concrete example of what players should expect.
Yeah... that statement made me go WTF?
I think, whiteraven02, you should give some examples?
I just checked a couple of F2P games... and no. One allows swimming underwater and one doesn't - but neither have disappearing water.
I could check a couple more if you like (including one that does not allow swimming) but I think you know that that is simply not true.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
Bitching about water? lol
Pointing out a graphical fail isn't bitching; it's just the plain truth.
Sorry you think that it's bitching. lol
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
You know better.
It's always the same - people say "It's about the gameplay! NOT the graphics!"
Well... I still play WWIIoL... and believe me it really is about the gameplay in that game... but I am in the minority. People don't like that game because of the (dated) graphics.
A quick seach on this forum could turn up dozens of games that have suffered because players couldn't do simple things like swim, jump, fish, emote...
And water (and the handling of it) along with 'invisible walls' seem to be things that attract a lot of player attention.
Rightly so too. This is (as players have said) 2012. With the computing and graphics capacity available in computers today - water should not be an issue.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
i think it's giggly.
not game-breaking, but it's certainly amusement at the devs' expense.
One thing people tend to forget is that while this might be 2012 most gamers computers are stuck in the past. High end or medium end gaming rigs are not as prevelant as people seem to think. The higher the requirements the smaller the player base. Thats just the way it is. While most gamers care about graphics they don't care enough to sink money into a rig that can handle the level of graphics they want to see.
I was actually shocked the other day when someone came into my store and complained that TOR's requirements were to high because his brand new gaming rig only had 2gb's of ram. Had to keep from busting out laughing but it's not uncommon for gamers to want more than they are willing to pay for.
So when you say something like "This is 2012........." you have to keep in mind that your average gamer is on a mid tier rig (at best) from 2005 or earlier. Developers know this and Bioware were going after a large market.