Massive Battles

Mobius1234 · July 2005

Here is some questions Ive been thinking on for awhile now... How organized do you think massive battles will be? What do you think the npc to player ratio will be? If battles break down into chaotic masses of men slaughtering eachother, will you still be interested?

Im mostly concerned with the first question because organization, especially for the romans, will be the key to winning massive battles to small skirmishes. ( imagine the romans without the famous javelin throw before their charge, how lame would that be....)

PrJdGmr · July 2005

They should be rather well organized, depending on the commanding ability of the higher-ups in the battle. However, if they should break down and become chaotic, I would say it'd still be fairly interesting until one of my army's guys accidently stabs me in the back :P

In the testing phase the npc:player ratio will be fairly high, though they should be about even when the game opens to the public.

anarchyart · July 2005

Originally posted by Mobius1234

If battles break down into chaotic masses of men slaughtering eachother, will you still be interested?

Umm is that a trick question? Either way the answer is YES!

Razorback · July 2005

I seem to recall reading that commanders will be able to order formations and such.... not sure how it works though... or whether that just applies to Romans.... I think historically formations like the old Phalanx etc were thier main advantage in combat whilst the Barbarians were more chaotic... so maybe Barbys wont get formations...I guess I should read the RV forums more

PrJdGmr · July 2005

Originally posted by Razorback
I seem to recall reading that commanders will be able to order formations and such.... not sure how it works though... or whether that just applies to Romans.... I think historically formations like the old Phalanx etc were thier main advantage in combat whilst the Barbarians were more chaotic... so maybe Barbys wont get formations...I guess I should read the RV forums more

Go to "The Game" on the sidebar, look under "Combat and Battles" and scroll down to "Battle." You'll see what you were talking about just now =D

And, also, a quote from that section: "Also bear in mind that these features are available to everyone Barbarian or Roman so try not to think about cohorts or maniples too much. "

Razorback · July 2005

Ah sweet thanks

Ferox(SM) · July 2005

roman military will be highly organized, much more then the barbarians.

Romans can do formations and such automatically, where as barbs have to do them manually.

Razorback · July 2005

yeah I thought it was something like that

Do Barbarians get sheilds that would allow you to do the turtle thingy ? whats it called lol ?

Alco · July 2005

Its called the testudo i think.

Mobius1234 · July 2005

But this is exactly what i mean... i know there are formations, but how will they work. A general can order all he wants but if he has nothing but 12 year olds under him i doubt much is going to happen. The only way i can see this actually working is to have something automatically put you into the formation against your will and move you to the designated area.

PrJdGmr · July 2005

Well, I'm sure an 12 yr old whom decides not to follow formation will recieve his punishment first from the opposing army, then possibly get punished by their side ( after coming back from Elysium ) for not following formation during battle.

Also, formations will probably be practiced outside of battle as well as the battle skills.

Storander · July 2005

When I join the legion I hope I train a lot! First off its historically accurate. Second it will make our legion more organized in battle. Lastly It will improve my fighting skills with mock combat

Certainly there will be big battles! And expect chaos if your legion isn't following orders! A good genrel and legion should be able to keep in formation the whole battle.

Smudged · July 2005

I'm pretty sure that battles weren't as organised as they are made out to be anyway - expect a little chaos

Ferox(SM) · July 2005

Originally posted by Mobius1234
But this is exactly what i mean... i know there are formations, but how will they work. A general can order all he wants but if he has nothing but 12 year olds under him i doubt much is going to happen. The only way i can see this actually working is to have something automatically put you into the formation against your will and move you to the designated area.

there is a complete rank structure. The general has people under him commanding specific units of npcs or players, and these commanders have the ability to set formations and follow out the orders from the general as best as they see fit. As for the exact dynamics and coding of how the formations will work, that is unknown at the momment.

All of this info can be found on the faq, features, and forums.

Ragalorn · July 2005

Originally posted by Alco
Its called the testudo i think.

Tortuga, means turtle in Latin. Worked very well against archers.

Kanoth · July 2005

Originally posted by Ragalorn

Originally posted by Alco
Its called the testudo i think.

Tortuga, means turtle in Latin. Worked very well against archers.

I'm afraid you're mistaken. Tortuga is an island just north of Haiti in the West Indies. Testudo is the roman formation of interlocking shields that was effective against archers' attacks.

Imperatorian · July 2005

Yeah, Tortuga was one of the worlds most famous pirate islands when the English, Dutch, French and Spanish were fighting for control of the caribbean. I love that name. Tortuga. I can say it over, and over, and over. Tortuga. Tortuga.

horney · July 2005

Originally posted by Kanoth

Originally posted by Ragalorn

Originally posted by Alco
Its called the testudo i think.

Tortuga, means turtle in Latin. Worked very well against archers.

I'm afraid you're mistaken. Tortuga is an island just north of Haiti in the West Indies. Testudo is the roman formation of interlocking shields that was effective against archers' attacks.

oooooo Kanoth owned you... i feel really sorry for Ragalorn now, quite a sharp response Kanoth

Mikey0114 · July 2005

Testudo should be restricted only to Romans....and Romans never used phalanx formation I think.

Anyway Testudo will hopefully include a weakness if it is included in the game. Normally its easilly desotroyed by Cavalry but normal infintry and ranged attacks dont do much to it in reality.

Fadinaway · July 2005

Originally posted by Kanoth

Originally posted by Ragalorn

Originally posted by Alco
Its called the testudo i think.

Tortuga, means turtle in Latin. Worked very well against archers.

I'm afraid you're mistaken. Tortuga is an island just north of Haiti in the West Indies. Testudo is the roman formation of interlocking shields that was effective against archers' attacks.

Right and wrong.

Tortuga DOES mean turtle, or tortoise in Spanish and Latin and Testudo is a formation and a siege weapon.

Mikey0114 · July 2005

Cool but in honest truth I dont really care about turtles :P

Just love using the Testudo formation in Rome Total War!

Fadinaway · July 2005

Not only does it look cool, it is quite effective. ;p

Mikey0114 · July 2005

Yes and no!

Its really great for protecting your legioneries from Missle fire (arrows and javelins & stuff) but then melee combat I don't know if they can fight.

And cavalry will desimate them!

Redemp · July 2005

Thats where the Phalanx comes into play, similar to Testudo it required overlapping shields and pikes. Though Calvary was affect by it, it's main goal was to decimate infantry. Yes, a well trained squadron of troops train in the Phalanx tactic was capable of pushing a Calvary unit back ; for all you History buffs.

The counter to the Phalanx was Chariots where 6-8ft blades were placed on the steel spiked wheels. ( Compliments of Mithridates Generals )

Demson · July 2005

Originally posted by Ferox(SM)

roman military will be highly organized, much more then the barbarians.

Romans can do formations and such automatically, where as barbs have to do them manually.

Hmmm, where did you read that?

Arisus · July 2005

KFR wrote:

Through this chain, the 'general' could also order formations, advances, withdrawals, charges etc. It should be noted that barbarians don't have quite as many tools of this nature as Romans do.

The thread's here,

http://www.roma-victor.com/community/bb/viewtopic.php?t=95&highlight=formations+romans

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