Now 1.7 million at 50-60+ $ or € is still an impressive mark for an MMO.
I agree.
I don't understand why all the hate here for the game?
To all those hating with harsh words - What is the MMO you play?
I'll never go back to WoW, and I personally know about 40 people that will never go back to it either. The community is awful by comparison to ToR.. no new content will change that part of it , EVER.
I played WoW for 5 years, and completed all content up until Cata when I quit, along with my entire 25 man progression guild.
Currently, I have 3 active SW:ToR subs in my house and we sub for 3 months at a time. So... idk.. Everyone seems to be speculating and to what end? Why? If you don't play it, what do you care if it thrives or dies?
I love the game and hope it does well because there is no other MMO I care to play.
Oh yeah sure, like ANY company is showing a consistant ANYTHING on the stock market these days. Come on.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Now 1.7 million at 50-60+ $ or € is still an impressive mark for an MMO.
I agree.
I don't understand why all the hate here for the game?
To all those hating with harsh words - What is the MMO you play?
I'll never go back to WoW, and I personally know about 40 people that will never go back to it either.
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really?
You PERSONALLY know 40 people. Like people in real life, not just e-buddies right? Really? That all played WoW and you know personally won't ever go back? Really? Whatever.
Good mmo's, CoH at age 3+, DAoC before ToA, WoW before BGs. I've played everything, and the mmo genre is drifting away from the GOOD aspects of these games and drifting towards the BAD stuff. SWTOR is voice acting plus WoW's bad parts, and the parts of an MMO that have remained stale since their inception. It's a huge name with a huge budget that represents the sad state of this genre. Hate doesn't cover what I feel about this game, luckily there's other good games and single player RPGs that can keep me from going psychotic.
Now 1.7 million at 50-60+ $ or € is still an impressive mark for an MMO.
I agree.
I don't understand why all the hate here for the game?
To all those hating with harsh words - What is the MMO you play?
I'll never go back to WoW, and I personally know about 40 people that will never go back to it either.
.. ... ...
really?
You PERSONALLY know 40 people. Like people in real life, not just e-buddies right? Really? That all played WoW and you know personally won't ever go back? Really? Whatever.
Good mmo's, CoH at age 3+, DAoC before ToA, WoW before BGs. I've played everything, and the mmo genre is drifting away from the GOOD aspects of these games and drifting towards the BAD stuff. SWTOR is voice acting plus WoW's bad parts, and the parts of an MMO that have remained stale since their inception. It's a huge name with a huge budget that represents the sad state of this genre. Hate doesn't cover what I feel about this game, luckily there's other good games and single player RPGs that can keep me from going psychotic.
Thats amazing!! you feel about SWTOR exactly the same way I feel about WoW!
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Now 1.7 million at 50-60+ $ or € is still an impressive mark for an MMO.
I agree.
I don't understand why all the hate here for the game?
To all those hating with harsh words - What is the MMO you play?
I'll never go back to WoW, and I personally know about 40 people that will never go back to it either.
.. ... ...
really?
You PERSONALLY know 40 people. Like people in real life, not just e-buddies right? Really? That all played WoW and you know personally won't ever go back? Really? Whatever.
Good mmo's, CoH at age 3+, DAoC before ToA, WoW before BGs. I've played everything, and the mmo genre is drifting away from the GOOD aspects of these games and drifting towards the BAD stuff. SWTOR is voice acting plus WoW's bad parts, and the parts of an MMO that have remained stale since their inception. It's a huge name with a huge budget that represents the sad state of this genre. Hate doesn't cover what I feel about this game, luckily there's other good games and single player RPGs that can keep me from going psychotic.
Hi,
Yes, I personally do know 43 people actually that quit WoW and are never going back.. Not all went to ToR but over half are on my server. Most of us have played MMO's together for over 2 years and some as much as 4 years. I keep in touch with these friends on a daily and weekly basis. Occasionally meeting for lunch or drinks after work.
I'm not exaggerating, and just felt it was important to post, because I read here mostly and do not openly share.
This seemed important enough that you and others realize there is a whole population of participants that don't actively tell you their stories. I'm also a woman, wife/ mother and over 40. Amazing, right?
MMO's are meant to bring out the best in us, competing with one another , experiencing content and reaching goals while playing with people you actually like a bit. They certainly aren't meant to drive you "psychotic", as you put it . Perhaps you are doing wrong?
But I digress... I feel it is doing much better than many other MMO's that I beta tested in recent years .. And so much smoother than WoW was on release. I remember those days well.
Now 1.7 million at 50-60+ $ or € is still an impressive mark for an MMO.
I agree.
I don't understand why all the hate here for the game?
To all those hating with harsh words - What is the MMO you play?
I'll never go back to WoW, and I personally know about 40 people that will never go back to it either. The community is awful by comparison to ToR.. no new content will change that part of it , EVER.
I played WoW for 5 years, and completed all content up until Cata when I quit, along with my entire 25 man progression guild.
Currently, I have 3 active SW:ToR subs in my house and we sub for 3 months at a time. So... idk.. Everyone seems to be speculating and to what end? Why? If you don't play it, what do you care if it thrives or dies?
I love the game and hope it does well because there is no other MMO I care to play.
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Why all the hate? I wouldn't call it hate, I would call it strong criticism of a badly developed, implimented product. Btw my household also has three accounts, one $150.00 collectors edition(Me) and two $80.00 versions (wife and son).
This game is so shoddy from top to bottom that players have written multi page posts on the short comings. Where have you been for all of this? My wife doesn't even bother to play and I barely play, actually the wife and I have already canceled, our son plays. But he is mostly doing pvp, and I think that has more to do with the fact that pvp is a new thing for him. You know how it goes when your new to pvp, it tends to suck you in.
My bet is that he'll stop playing after a while once the luster of pvp gets worn in. Once he's seen better pvp systems as well to compare it with. He already sees and agrees with the amazing amount of other short comings, bugs and faults of this game. His problem is he was a Lotro player before which as we all know has a crap pvp system. The Ettenmoors is one of the worst pvp systems ever tacked onto a mmorpg, great concept though just bad implimentation. So once he's had his fill of a slightly better pvp system he'll most likely join the wife and I at going...wow was that a badly designed mmorpg.
Hell it isn't even really an mmorpg, it is more of a dumbed down single player rpg that Bioware tacked on some elements of a mmorpg. Sad indeed. Anyhow read the damn posts and break downs of all the short comings of this game, take the blinders off. If they don't make some serious changes in the next six months this game will go tits up and become the next Warhammer.
Btw do the math, tell me how long it is going to be before EA sees a profit for this game. Currently they are 205 million dollars in the hole. At current subscription prices, if no one cancels it is going to take them a very very long time to break even and start getting into the red. I don't see Bioware making the changes to keep the players to put this game into the red. They've shown bad customer service, that they'll blow smoke up everyones backside. They showed that they were lazy by buying a really bad software engine to run their game. (Hero Engine) They showed that they don't understand the the basics of what makes a mmorpg and repeatly cut corners. Nah I dont see it, and no I dont hate but I can be damn well critical of shoddy work, so should you.
Now 1.7 million at 50-60+ $ or € is still an impressive mark for an MMO.
I agree.
I don't understand why all the hate here for the game?
To all those hating with harsh words - What is the MMO you play?
I'll never go back to WoW, and I personally know about 40 people that will never go back to it either. The community is awful by comparison to ToR.. no new content will change that part of it , EVER.
I played WoW for 5 years, and completed all content up until Cata when I quit, along with my entire 25 man progression guild.
Currently, I have 3 active SW:ToR subs in my house and we sub for 3 months at a time. So... idk.. Everyone seems to be speculating and to what end? Why? If you don't play it, what do you care if it thrives or dies?
I love the game and hope it does well because there is no other MMO I care to play.
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Why all the hate? I wouldn't call it hate, I would call it strong criticism of a badly developed, implimented product. Btw my household also has three accounts, one $150.00 collectors edition(Me) and two $80.00 versions (wife and son).
This game is so shoddy from top to bottom that players have written multi page posts on the short comings. Where have you been for all of this? My wife doesn't even bother to play and I barely play, actually the wife and I have already canceled, our son plays. But he is mostly doing pvp, and I think that has more to do with the fact that pvp is a new thing for him. You know how it goes when your new to pvp, it tends to suck you in.
My bet is that he'll stop playing after a while once the luster of pvp gets worn in. Once he's seen better pvp systems as well to compare it with. He already sees and agrees with the amazing amount of other short comings, bugs and faults of this game. His problem is he was a Lotro player before which as we all know has a crap pvp system. The Ettenmoors is one of the worst pvp systems ever tacked onto a mmorpg, great concept though just bad implimentation. So once he's had his fill of a slightly better pvp system he'll most likely join the wife and I at going...wow was that a badly designed mmorpg.
Hell it isn't even really an mmorpg, it is more of a dumbed down single player rpg that Bioware tacked on some elements of a mmorpg. Sad indeed. Anyhow read the damn posts and break downs of all the short comings of this game, take the blinders off. If they don't make some serious changes in the next six months this game will go tits up and become the next Warhammer.
Btw do the math, tell me how long it is going to be before EA sees a profit for this game. Currently they are 205 million dollars in the hole. At current subscription prices, if no one cancels it is going to take them a very very long time to break even and start getting into the red. I don't see Bioware making the changes to keep the players to put this game into the red. They've shown bad customer service, that they'll blow smoke up everyones backside. They showed that they were lazy by buying a really bad software engine to run their game. (Hero Engine) They showed that they don't understand the the basics of what makes a mmorpg and repeatly cut corners. Nah I dont see it, and no I dont hate but I can be damn well critical of shoddy work, so should you.
The problem with this is that you are pushing your opinion off as facts.
And your math is wrong, they've already made up for half the costs on those 2+million boxed sales, it should take them 4month to break even, and its profit after that.
Now 1.7 million at 50-60+ $ or € is still an impressive mark for an MMO.
I agree.
I don't understand why all the hate here for the game?
To all those hating with harsh words - What is the MMO you play?
I'll never go back to WoW, and I personally know about 40 people that will never go back to it either. The community is awful by comparison to ToR.. no new content will change that part of it , EVER.
I played WoW for 5 years, and completed all content up until Cata when I quit, along with my entire 25 man progression guild.
Currently, I have 3 active SW:ToR subs in my house and we sub for 3 months at a time. So... idk.. Everyone seems to be speculating and to what end? Why? If you don't play it, what do you care if it thrives or dies?
I love the game and hope it does well because there is no other MMO I care to play.
.. ... ...
Why all the hate? I wouldn't call it hate, I would call it strong criticism of a badly developed, implimented product. Btw my household also has three accounts, one $150.00 collectors edition(Me) and two $80.00 versions (wife and son).
This game is so shoddy from top to bottom that players have written multi page posts on the short comings. Where have you been for all of this? My wife doesn't even bother to play and I barely play, actually the wife and I have already canceled, our son plays. But he is mostly doing pvp, and I think that has more to do with the fact that pvp is a new thing for him. You know how it goes when your new to pvp, it tends to suck you in.
My bet is that he'll stop playing after a while once the luster of pvp gets worn in. Once he's seen better pvp systems as well to compare it with. He already sees and agrees with the amazing amount of other short comings, bugs and faults of this game. His problem is he was a Lotro player before which as we all know has a crap pvp system. The Ettenmoors is one of the worst pvp systems ever tacked onto a mmorpg, great concept though just bad implimentation. So once he's had his fill of a slightly better pvp system he'll most likely join the wife and I at going...wow was that a badly designed mmorpg.
Hell it isn't even really an mmorpg, it is more of a dumbed down single player rpg that Bioware tacked on some elements of a mmorpg. Sad indeed. Anyhow read the damn posts and break downs of all the short comings of this game, take the blinders off. If they don't make some serious changes in the next six months this game will go tits up and become the next Warhammer.
Btw do the math, tell me how long it is going to be before EA sees a profit for this game. Currently they are 205 million dollars in the hole. At current subscription prices, if no one cancels it is going to take them a very very long time to break even and start getting into the red. I don't see Bioware making the changes to keep the players to put this game into the red. They've shown bad customer service, that they'll blow smoke up everyones backside. They showed that they were lazy by buying a really bad software engine to run their game. (Hero Engine) They showed that they don't understand the the basics of what makes a mmorpg and repeatly cut corners. Nah I dont see it, and no I dont hate but I can be damn well critical of shoddy work, so should you.
The problem with this is that you are pushing your opinion off as facts.
And your math is wrong, they've already made up for half the costs on those 2+million boxed sales, it should take them 4month to break even, and its profit after that.
And my opinion is based on what I enjoy an what I have seen over the past twenty years online gaming. Btw where did i mention any real hard core math numbers? I just mentiioned the stated 205 million net loss that EA is currently dealing with. That was a press release, nothing I am coming up with off the top of my head. 205 million net loss is nothing to joke around about.
EA still has continuing operations costs, employee salaries, their dreadful out of country third party CE costs, server costs, building costs etc etc. 4 months to break even? I think your estimated math is a bit off. "IF" they maintain 1.7 million paying subscribers and you multiple just that number by the cost of the subscription, then subract that number from the 205million net loss they are still dealing with, I don't think that you'll find that 4 months is the number they will be looking at.
You still have to realize that most likely they won't keep 1.7 million subscribers over the next 4 to 6 months. I'm betting that by the sixth month that they'll be lucky to hold onto 1million paying subscribers. Would I like to see this game turn around? Oh yeah, you bet I would, but based on how Bioware and EA operate I just don't see it happening.
lol people complain about the bugs but nobody remembers the monster that is now which is WoW which had huge bugs and was worse then swtor on it's first few months and also WoW never reached it's grand numbers till after BC prertty much and for Swtor to hit 2million in it's first 2 months says alot but needs alot of work still and people don't understand that about mmo's , The only thing that sets them apart are the companies hard work getting those patchs out and bioware has been pushing out fixes every week and sometimes twice a week so shows they are working hard so give it 4 to 6 months and should be a good running game.
Also they built there own engine and with that they will have a ton of issues that you can't see in beta since you won't have the numbers and constant game playing.
People say how dumbed down it is ya of course it is look at WoW you think they be as succesfull as they were if it was hardcore noooooo. Dumbed down easy to play games for the casual gamers make more money then any hardcore game out there since the casual player is in greater numbers then the hardcore games since well casual gamers have lives with jobs and kids hardcores usally don't and that means the casual has the money lol.
people say game is gonna be dead in 6 months i expect the way it has been going it be 3 million subs by then and take that from a person that plays it almost every day alteast 2 hrs and seeing new people just flooding into the game every day.
This game has huge pontential and it's up to bioware to meet that challenge and considering there past games and this being there first mmo it will be rocky but they should rise to the challenge hopefully and only time will tell.
also, in before "how much did EA pay you to post this?" comments
Rather this is sarcastic or not, an accurate survey only needs ~3000 randomly picked participants to have a resonable (90+%) accuracy rating.
This was probably also mentioned in here, but that 1.7million is from the "Free Month" period.
However, unless Bioware can make some changes...which I can't put into words because it's a 'feeling'; right now the game 'feels' empty (ingore the subs). This game will fail and end up like WAR, LoTRO (pre-f2p), RIFT, AoC (pre-f2p), and several others...dieing before their time.
@Yellowbeard: SWTOR is even more casual than WoW, which is sad because most of the people who initially bought the game were looking for something "harder" than WoW.
Also, Bioware, if you're reading this...WE WANT OUR HIGH RES TEXTURES BACK. Just because some idiots are too stupid to lower their settings to 'playable' levels doesn't give you the freedom to show off 'High Res screenshots of NON-CUTSCENES' and then bait and switch us with Medium graphics and clame the "High Res" was a bug.
I know a few people who only play for the first month and then completely stop playing, I did that myself with this game just didn't quite capture my attention i like bioware but i think they need to do something different all their RPG seem to same since kotor
What I would like to see is the numbers with the january drop.
I have a hard time trusting there are 1.7ish millions players. We went from full servers with long queues to almost all normal and around 5 heavy at peak time.
What I'm afraid of is the managers use these fake info not to fix the game and make it bleed even more.
also, in before "how much did EA pay you to post this?" comments
Rather this is sarcastic or not, an accurate survey only needs ~3000 randomly picked participants to have a resonable (90+%) accuracy rating.
This was probably also mentioned in here, but that 1.7million is from the "Free Month" period.
However, unless Bioware can make some changes...which I can't put into words because it's a 'feeling'; right now the game 'feels' empty (ingore the subs). This game will fail and end up like WAR, LoTRO (pre-f2p), RIFT, AoC (pre-f2p), and several others...dieing before their time.
@Yellowbeard: SWTOR is even more casual than WoW, which is sad because most of the people who initially bought the game were looking for something "harder" than WoW.
Also, Bioware, if you're reading this...WE WANT OUR HIGH RES TEXTURES BACK. Just because some idiots are too stupid to lower their settings to 'playable' levels doesn't give you the freedom to show off 'High Res screenshots of NON-CUTSCENES' and then bait and switch us with Medium graphics and clame the "High Res" was a bug.
So what makes you think that xfire users are a random selection instead of a specific group of gamers that are more into games, thus their use for a dedicated gaming chat client that tracks played hours?
People just try to feel better about their own failures by looking for any other kind of failure to /point and /laugh at. SW:TOR is doing just fine and as it expands to other markets will grow further, add to that the advertising yet to boost numbers.
People who say it is a badly designed game need to realise that, as with all MMO's, it will have patches and updates. WoW still has lots of errors and bugs and has been around for years.
As for EA making a loss from this game, absolute nonsense. People are looking at EA's overall shortfall - from their entire business, not just this one game - and expecting this one game to bail out any losses they have made from all their other investments? EA have more than one game in development at any given time. SW:TOR will more than make what it cost.
To the haters: Breathe, relax, go play something you do like instead. Don't worry about SW:TOR posts, nobody is forcing you to read or comment on them. We won't miss your input, I promise it.
Of the 4 of my friends (myself included) that started at launch, all of us have either stopped playing or cancelled their subscriptions this month. While the single player game and Class quests are excellent, the rest of the game just didn't have enough to hold us.
Of the 4 of my friends (myself included) that started at launch, all of us have either stopped playing or cancelled their subscriptions this month. While the single player game and Class quests are excellent, the rest of the game just didn't have enough to hold us.
Of the 6 of my friends (myself included) that started at launch, all of us bar one are still playing (that one being my GF who I bought a copy for and still technically gets on sporadically). While the single player game and Class quests are excellent, the rest of the game keeps us there.
While the game does indeed have its issues, many being patched out, I think people really do expect too much from a new product.
That being said if you've been playing WoW for any extended period you may be just burnout on the whole mmorpg genre.
I take Swtor as it is, a fairly polished game, with nothing overly ground breaking, with a back story that actually interests me and engages me, with a company putting effort into rectify issues as soon as reasonably possible. As long as BW continues to release content and address issues, I expect to be playing this game and my friends seem fairly happy with what we have in front of us.
The people who don’t like something are always going to be quite vocal, those who enjoy are usually too busy enjoying it to bother posting.
Of the 4 of my friends (myself included) that started at launch, all of us have either stopped playing or cancelled their subscriptions this month. While the single player game and Class quests are excellent, the rest of the game just didn't have enough to hold us.
Of the 6 of my friends (myself included) that started at launch, all of us bar one are still playing (that one being my GF who I bought a copy for and still technically gets on sporadically). While the single player game and Class quests are excellent, the rest of the game keeps us there.
While the game does indeed have its issues, many being patched out, I think people really do expect too much from a new product.
That being said if you've been playing WoW for any extended period you may be just burnout on the whole mmorpg genre.
I take Swtor as it is, a fairly polished game, with nothing overly ground breaking, with a back story that actually interests me and engages me, with a company putting effort into rectify issues as soon as reasonably possible. As long as BW continues to release content and address issues, I expect to be playing this game and my friends seem fairly happy with what we have in front of us.
The people who don’t like something are always going to be quite vocal, those who enjoy are usually too busy enjoying it to bother posting.
the problem i had was the patches that were supposed to address issues, brought more issues into the game. and a lot of the times didnt even fix the issue(s) they were trying to fix. ive unsub'd but my play time doesnt end until 2/21 i check in every tuesday and the problems that made me stop playing are still there and there are many new issues now too.
i was hoping this game would hold my attention for a least a few months cause im so burned out on wow. at present im not playing anything.
It's almost like we've entered an alternate universe, where media reports random quantitative facts, and they in some miraculous way make the game suck less in reality... Perhaps our media outlets have learned to harness the Force!
Even since the change in server cap - the figures playing per day - PER HOUR are PLUMMETING
"But they changed the cap a weeky or two ago" DOH! Yes we know - and the figures before the change were going down...and the figures AFTER the change are going down.
If you aren't prepared to play SWTOR wearing a microphone - then forget it. Chat is dead, republic on just about every server is none existant but worse - gameplay is so shallow "COmabt - combat and more combat) with rubbish professionas, rubbish crafting, rubbish trade network (and by rubbish I mean in comparison with other paper thin theme park games like RIft and WoW.
Space combat is about as sophisticated as a "flash" game you'd play for free.
If you only like combat
If you are prepared to communicate only with a mic and headset (which rules out late night play for me - as I have a family)
If you only want to play Imperial (or play solo, as Republic on every server is a graveyard)
If professions, trading, secondary professions and stuff like that bores you (and gets in the way of combat)
Then this might be the game for you.
For everyone else - it pretty much sux, anf judging by MMOJUNKIE people are leaving the game as fast as they can.
Even since the change in server cap - the figures playing per day - PER HOUR are PLUMMETING
"But they changed the cap a weeky or two ago" DOH! Yes we know - and the figures before the change were going down...and the figures AFTER the change are going down.
If you aren't prepared to play SWTOR wearing a microphone - then forget it. Chat is dead, republic on just about every server is none existant but worse - gameplay is so shallow "COmabt - combat and more combat) with rubbish professionas, rubbish crafting, rubbish trade network (and by rubbish I mean in comparison with other paper thin theme park games like RIft and WoW.
Space combat is about as sophisticated as a "flash" game you'd play for free.
If you only like combat
If you are prepared to communicate only with a mic and headset (which rules out late night play for me - as I have a family)
If you only want to play Imperial (or play solo, as Republic on every server is a graveyard)
If professions, trading, secondary professions and stuff like that bores you (and gets in the way of combat)
Then this might be the game for you.
For everyone else - it pretty much sux, anf judging by MMOJUNKIE people are leaving the game as fast as they can.
Your post has as much crdibility as your one post account. Just saying
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
Agree with op. Swtor so far is for me one of the sole 3 games that are worth subscribing, swtor, wow and rift. Impressive gameplay, complexity, incredible stability and polishness since day 1, .... and incredible swtor immersion.
I have been so far very happy with wow and rift. But I was always looking to find something else to play in between. And for the first time maybe in life after found 3rd member to alternate between, i do not feel at all that urge to try anything else.
Swtor, wow and rift will keep me busy I guess for next 10 years with various expansions. .-) Guess for pure fun i will add at some time for month or two also CO.
Ah, forgot, speaking from current experience and considering that pvp is last thing in my life I'm interested for my gaming needs. In swtor also i do not do space combat, is not appealing to me. Not because not well done, simply I love to play single avatars. As for end games I also can not say a lot, with my all 8 alts on "good" side im currently beetween level 20 and 34 as I'm altholic. But to be hones end game requires to much organization and time planning I do not have. However I do still play really a lot but through day and when having time. I can not affort to plan 1 week ahead for some raid that will take hours. Imo, there are not so many such players, they are just very vocal. But I could be wrong.
As said, after swtor, wow and rift I do not feel for the first time in my life any urge to try always new and new games.
Subs will decrease over the year.....theres better mmo's coming out and RPG's.
Gw2
Tera (not good but still)
D3
nuf said
This, as with most somewhat negative, naysaying comments, is purely relative. "Better" is in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion, Tera isn't even a blip on the radar, D3 is in a genre of its own (awesome looking game, nonetheless), and GW2 looks utter shit. I was turned off after watching gameplay and trying to enjoy what I was seeing.
SWTOR may lose subscribers and push a lot of hardcore players away, but casuals like me who are loving the story and slowly making our way through (try 4 hours a week, if I'm lucky; 4 hours a day on average is extremely extravagant for a single pastime), are going to stick with it for a good long while.
The game doesn't appeal to everyone. We get that. But if it is as much fun to you still as it is to me, then no matter what numbers come out or what people interpret from them, the game is going to be a part of your life for as long as that enjoyment lasts.
There is room for a lot of improvement, but they are getting there. I'm happy to see the changes that have happened and that are forthcoming and I honestly don't give a rat's about how other people view the game.
Over 2 million SWTOR units were sold in just over a month
SWTOR has 1.7 million active subscribers. "The majority of these subscribers are paying customers already
Sold 2 mil, 1.7 mil active and "most of that 1.7 mil are paying a sub. If you take just over half the 1.7mil and get yourself say 860,000 you can count as "most" for all we know as they never mention exactly how many are actually paying... just "most".
No dude this means that alot of them bought a set amount of time and not set a renewal plan. You can buy time in TOR from month to month without automatic billing. It does not mean that they not paying.
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I agree.
I don't understand why all the hate here for the game?
To all those hating with harsh words - What is the MMO you play?
I'll never go back to WoW, and I personally know about 40 people that will never go back to it either. The community is awful by comparison to ToR.. no new content will change that part of it , EVER.
I played WoW for 5 years, and completed all content up until Cata when I quit, along with my entire 25 man progression guild.
Currently, I have 3 active SW:ToR subs in my house and we sub for 3 months at a time. So... idk.. Everyone seems to be speculating and to what end? Why? If you don't play it, what do you care if it thrives or dies?
I love the game and hope it does well because there is no other MMO I care to play.
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Oh yeah sure, like ANY company is showing a consistant ANYTHING on the stock market these days. Come on.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
really?
You PERSONALLY know 40 people. Like people in real life, not just e-buddies right? Really? That all played WoW and you know personally won't ever go back? Really? Whatever.
Good mmo's, CoH at age 3+, DAoC before ToA, WoW before BGs. I've played everything, and the mmo genre is drifting away from the GOOD aspects of these games and drifting towards the BAD stuff. SWTOR is voice acting plus WoW's bad parts, and the parts of an MMO that have remained stale since their inception. It's a huge name with a huge budget that represents the sad state of this genre. Hate doesn't cover what I feel about this game, luckily there's other good games and single player RPGs that can keep me from going psychotic.
Thats amazing!! you feel about SWTOR exactly the same way I feel about WoW!
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Hi,
Yes, I personally do know 43 people actually that quit WoW and are never going back.. Not all went to ToR but over half are on my server. Most of us have played MMO's together for over 2 years and some as much as 4 years. I keep in touch with these friends on a daily and weekly basis. Occasionally meeting for lunch or drinks after work.
I'm not exaggerating, and just felt it was important to post, because I read here mostly and do not openly share.
This seemed important enough that you and others realize there is a whole population of participants that don't actively tell you their stories. I'm also a woman, wife/ mother and over 40. Amazing, right?
MMO's are meant to bring out the best in us, competing with one another , experiencing content and reaching goals while playing with people you actually like a bit. They certainly aren't meant to drive you "psychotic", as you put it . Perhaps you are doing wrong?
But I digress... I feel it is doing much better than many other MMO's that I beta tested in recent years .. And so much smoother than WoW was on release. I remember those days well.
best wishes ~
Why all the hate? I wouldn't call it hate, I would call it strong criticism of a badly developed, implimented product. Btw my household also has three accounts, one $150.00 collectors edition(Me) and two $80.00 versions (wife and son).
This game is so shoddy from top to bottom that players have written multi page posts on the short comings. Where have you been for all of this? My wife doesn't even bother to play and I barely play, actually the wife and I have already canceled, our son plays. But he is mostly doing pvp, and I think that has more to do with the fact that pvp is a new thing for him. You know how it goes when your new to pvp, it tends to suck you in.
My bet is that he'll stop playing after a while once the luster of pvp gets worn in. Once he's seen better pvp systems as well to compare it with. He already sees and agrees with the amazing amount of other short comings, bugs and faults of this game. His problem is he was a Lotro player before which as we all know has a crap pvp system. The Ettenmoors is one of the worst pvp systems ever tacked onto a mmorpg, great concept though just bad implimentation. So once he's had his fill of a slightly better pvp system he'll most likely join the wife and I at going...wow was that a badly designed mmorpg.
Hell it isn't even really an mmorpg, it is more of a dumbed down single player rpg that Bioware tacked on some elements of a mmorpg. Sad indeed. Anyhow read the damn posts and break downs of all the short comings of this game, take the blinders off. If they don't make some serious changes in the next six months this game will go tits up and become the next Warhammer.
Btw do the math, tell me how long it is going to be before EA sees a profit for this game. Currently they are 205 million dollars in the hole. At current subscription prices, if no one cancels it is going to take them a very very long time to break even and start getting into the red. I don't see Bioware making the changes to keep the players to put this game into the red. They've shown bad customer service, that they'll blow smoke up everyones backside. They showed that they were lazy by buying a really bad software engine to run their game. (Hero Engine) They showed that they don't understand the the basics of what makes a mmorpg and repeatly cut corners. Nah I dont see it, and no I dont hate but I can be damn well critical of shoddy work, so should you.
The problem with this is that you are pushing your opinion off as facts.
And your math is wrong, they've already made up for half the costs on those 2+million boxed sales, it should take them 4month to break even, and its profit after that.
And my opinion is based on what I enjoy an what I have seen over the past twenty years online gaming. Btw where did i mention any real hard core math numbers? I just mentiioned the stated 205 million net loss that EA is currently dealing with. That was a press release, nothing I am coming up with off the top of my head. 205 million net loss is nothing to joke around about.
EA still has continuing operations costs, employee salaries, their dreadful out of country third party CE costs, server costs, building costs etc etc. 4 months to break even? I think your estimated math is a bit off. "IF" they maintain 1.7 million paying subscribers and you multiple just that number by the cost of the subscription, then subract that number from the 205million net loss they are still dealing with, I don't think that you'll find that 4 months is the number they will be looking at.
You still have to realize that most likely they won't keep 1.7 million subscribers over the next 4 to 6 months. I'm betting that by the sixth month that they'll be lucky to hold onto 1million paying subscribers. Would I like to see this game turn around? Oh yeah, you bet I would, but based on how Bioware and EA operate I just don't see it happening.
lol people complain about the bugs but nobody remembers the monster that is now which is WoW which had huge bugs and was worse then swtor on it's first few months and also WoW never reached it's grand numbers till after BC prertty much and for Swtor to hit 2million in it's first 2 months says alot but needs alot of work still and people don't understand that about mmo's , The only thing that sets them apart are the companies hard work getting those patchs out and bioware has been pushing out fixes every week and sometimes twice a week so shows they are working hard so give it 4 to 6 months and should be a good running game.
Also they built there own engine and with that they will have a ton of issues that you can't see in beta since you won't have the numbers and constant game playing.
People say how dumbed down it is ya of course it is look at WoW you think they be as succesfull as they were if it was hardcore noooooo. Dumbed down easy to play games for the casual gamers make more money then any hardcore game out there since the casual player is in greater numbers then the hardcore games since well casual gamers have lives with jobs and kids hardcores usally don't and that means the casual has the money lol.
people say game is gonna be dead in 6 months i expect the way it has been going it be 3 million subs by then and take that from a person that plays it almost every day alteast 2 hrs and seeing new people just flooding into the game every day.
This game has huge pontential and it's up to bioware to meet that challenge and considering there past games and this being there first mmo it will be rocky but they should rise to the challenge hopefully and only time will tell.
Rather this is sarcastic or not, an accurate survey only needs ~3000 randomly picked participants to have a resonable (90+%) accuracy rating.
This was probably also mentioned in here, but that 1.7million is from the "Free Month" period.
However, unless Bioware can make some changes...which I can't put into words because it's a 'feeling'; right now the game 'feels' empty (ingore the subs). This game will fail and end up like WAR, LoTRO (pre-f2p), RIFT, AoC (pre-f2p), and several others...dieing before their time.
@Yellowbeard: SWTOR is even more casual than WoW, which is sad because most of the people who initially bought the game were looking for something "harder" than WoW.
Also, Bioware, if you're reading this...WE WANT OUR HIGH RES TEXTURES BACK. Just because some idiots are too stupid to lower their settings to 'playable' levels doesn't give you the freedom to show off 'High Res screenshots of NON-CUTSCENES' and then bait and switch us with Medium graphics and clame the "High Res" was a bug.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=162569
Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall.
I know a few people who only play for the first month and then completely stop playing, I did that myself with this game just didn't quite capture my attention i like bioware but i think they need to do something different all their RPG seem to same since kotor
While you guys fight over SWTOR's population, it is currently Tuesday ,5:53 PM my time..
25 servers at High population in the United States..
If it is not that, then why argue about the rest?
These are the people they are after, and it seems that they are not budging..
Originally posted by Deewe
What I would like to see is the numbers with the january drop.
I have a hard time trusting there are 1.7ish millions players. We went from full servers with long queues to almost all normal and around 5 heavy at peak time.
What I'm afraid of is the managers use these fake info not to fix the game and make it bleed even more.
That's because they increased server capacities.
So what makes you think that xfire users are a random selection instead of a specific group of gamers that are more into games, thus their use for a dedicated gaming chat client that tracks played hours?
People just try to feel better about their own failures by looking for any other kind of failure to /point and /laugh at. SW:TOR is doing just fine and as it expands to other markets will grow further, add to that the advertising yet to boost numbers.
People who say it is a badly designed game need to realise that, as with all MMO's, it will have patches and updates. WoW still has lots of errors and bugs and has been around for years.
As for EA making a loss from this game, absolute nonsense. People are looking at EA's overall shortfall - from their entire business, not just this one game - and expecting this one game to bail out any losses they have made from all their other investments? EA have more than one game in development at any given time. SW:TOR will more than make what it cost.
To the haters: Breathe, relax, go play something you do like instead. Don't worry about SW:TOR posts, nobody is forcing you to read or comment on them. We won't miss your input, I promise it.
Of the 4 of my friends (myself included) that started at launch, all of us have either stopped playing or cancelled their subscriptions this month. While the single player game and Class quests are excellent, the rest of the game just didn't have enough to hold us.
Of the 6 of my friends (myself included) that started at launch, all of us bar one are still playing (that one being my GF who I bought a copy for and still technically gets on sporadically). While the single player game and Class quests are excellent, the rest of the game keeps us there.
While the game does indeed have its issues, many being patched out, I think people really do expect too much from a new product.
That being said if you've been playing WoW for any extended period you may be just burnout on the whole mmorpg genre.
I take Swtor as it is, a fairly polished game, with nothing overly ground breaking, with a back story that actually interests me and engages me, with a company putting effort into rectify issues as soon as reasonably possible. As long as BW continues to release content and address issues, I expect to be playing this game and my friends seem fairly happy with what we have in front of us.
The people who don’t like something are always going to be quite vocal, those who enjoy are usually too busy enjoying it to bother posting.
the problem i had was the patches that were supposed to address issues, brought more issues into the game. and a lot of the times didnt even fix the issue(s) they were trying to fix. ive unsub'd but my play time doesnt end until 2/21 i check in every tuesday and the problems that made me stop playing are still there and there are many new issues now too.
i was hoping this game would hold my attention for a least a few months cause im so burned out on wow. at present im not playing anything.
I've got the straight edge.
It's almost like we've entered an alternate universe, where media reports random quantitative facts, and they in some miraculous way make the game suck less in reality... Perhaps our media outlets have learned to harness the Force!
http://www.mmo-junkies.net/statistics/search?app=statistics&module=game§ion=view&game=swtor
Even since the change in server cap - the figures playing per day - PER HOUR are PLUMMETING
"But they changed the cap a weeky or two ago" DOH! Yes we know - and the figures before the change were going down...and the figures AFTER the change are going down.
If you aren't prepared to play SWTOR wearing a microphone - then forget it. Chat is dead, republic on just about every server is none existant but worse - gameplay is so shallow "COmabt - combat and more combat) with rubbish professionas, rubbish crafting, rubbish trade network (and by rubbish I mean in comparison with other paper thin theme park games like RIft and WoW.
Space combat is about as sophisticated as a "flash" game you'd play for free.
If you only like combat
If you are prepared to communicate only with a mic and headset (which rules out late night play for me - as I have a family)
If you only want to play Imperial (or play solo, as Republic on every server is a graveyard)
If professions, trading, secondary professions and stuff like that bores you (and gets in the way of combat)
Then this might be the game for you.
For everyone else - it pretty much sux, anf judging by MMOJUNKIE people are leaving the game as fast as they can.
Your post has as much crdibility as your one post account. Just saying
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
Agree with op. Swtor so far is for me one of the sole 3 games that are worth subscribing, swtor, wow and rift. Impressive gameplay, complexity, incredible stability and polishness since day 1, .... and incredible swtor immersion.
I have been so far very happy with wow and rift. But I was always looking to find something else to play in between. And for the first time maybe in life after found 3rd member to alternate between, i do not feel at all that urge to try anything else.
Swtor, wow and rift will keep me busy I guess for next 10 years with various expansions. .-) Guess for pure fun i will add at some time for month or two also CO.
Ah, forgot, speaking from current experience and considering that pvp is last thing in my life I'm interested for my gaming needs. In swtor also i do not do space combat, is not appealing to me. Not because not well done, simply I love to play single avatars. As for end games I also can not say a lot, with my all 8 alts on "good" side im currently beetween level 20 and 34 as I'm altholic. But to be hones end game requires to much organization and time planning I do not have. However I do still play really a lot but through day and when having time. I can not affort to plan 1 week ahead for some raid that will take hours. Imo, there are not so many such players, they are just very vocal. But I could be wrong.
As said, after swtor, wow and rift I do not feel for the first time in my life any urge to try always new and new games.
This, as with most somewhat negative, naysaying comments, is purely relative. "Better" is in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion, Tera isn't even a blip on the radar, D3 is in a genre of its own (awesome looking game, nonetheless), and GW2 looks utter shit. I was turned off after watching gameplay and trying to enjoy what I was seeing.
SWTOR may lose subscribers and push a lot of hardcore players away, but casuals like me who are loving the story and slowly making our way through (try 4 hours a week, if I'm lucky; 4 hours a day on average is extremely extravagant for a single pastime), are going to stick with it for a good long while.
The game doesn't appeal to everyone. We get that. But if it is as much fun to you still as it is to me, then no matter what numbers come out or what people interpret from them, the game is going to be a part of your life for as long as that enjoyment lasts.
There is room for a lot of improvement, but they are getting there. I'm happy to see the changes that have happened and that are forthcoming and I honestly don't give a rat's about how other people view the game.
People would pay 15 bucks a month for 4 hours a week?
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No dude this means that alot of them bought a set amount of time and not set a renewal plan. You can buy time in TOR from month to month without automatic billing. It does not mean that they not paying.