Take my word most of you keyboard turning clickers do not even remotely stand a chance against some of the pvp'rs this game has already attracted. There ae legions/guilds here who will zerg you then laugh at you on the forums as you throw a pity party. They will camp you until you quit and not care. It was made for a very specific audience and not for the carebear crowd.
And people like this is why the game will fail. Yes, it will attract those people you claim its aimed at, but no one else will play it BECAUSE of those people. Might end up with maybe 100k subs max?
...Or you surrender and start dressing like a girl and become their permenant BITCH. the choise is yours... Most theampark goers would probably OPT for option number 2....
No, they would aprobably choose to not go to prison in the first place and spend their time having fun instead.
Zlayer, have to say though, I actually do enjoy your posts... your like some mad cartoon creation of what some PR guy thinks PvP players are actually like
Its a Korean game that lets you fight in an OPEN world setting. Declare wars on other guilds (yes they can escape). You can become an outlaw last I looked.. and pew pew others
There will be lots of griefing...
Okey no death penelties to speak about and you dont drop gear but for the General theampark goears these days, who wernt with us in the Old or nothing days. This is as hardcore as it gets these days.. The level grind alone will send them crying home to mommy.. mark my words. Even if its a breez compare to the old days of Linage2 etc
It's cool, I understand all that it's just that I can't stop thinking that it must feel cold and lonely in the 'Hardcore PVP MMORPG' camp when in order to get some smacktalk going you need to visit forums of themeparks with PVP on the side.
I actually feel for you, I haven't had some quality PVP in a MMO in ages myself.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
I highly doubt that it will be a WoW killer. I even doubt that it will that popular in the west.
This. I think the game is going to be a dwindling success and settle somewhere between a handful of servers that are moderately populated, probably around L2's current numbers. That's actually still profitable and doing well, but all the people screaming "PvP!" are jumping on a bandwagon they don't really want to be on. They're going to get zerged, the political system is going to crush their spirits, and then they're all going to come running to the forum qq'ing about how the game isn't fair. Same exact crap that happened with Aion, and TERA is far more intense pvp-wise.
Now, when ArchAge comes out, that's a bit different. They're somewhat different styles of combat, but I'm honestly not sure TERA will survive ArchAge. At least until then, I think it will do alright.
Im trying to point this FACT out but people still claim its a theampark... they are In for a nasty surprise..
I agree that many solo players and very small guilds will prolly get molested and ragequit but as I understand it (maybe Pivo can correct me) the PVP mechanics are still not finalized or in game no?
It's too early to say how it gonna go down, it's beta and many things can change.
If the ultra Ez-mode PVE is any indication, devs probably lean more towards catering to 'carebears' then PVPers.
We'll see soon enough.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
I agree that many solo players and very small guilds will prolly get molested and ragequit but as I understand it (maybe Pivo can correct me) the PVP mechanics are still not finalized or in game no?
It's too early to say how it gonna go down, it's beta and many things can change.
If the ultra Ez-mode PVE is any indication, devs probably lean more towards catering to 'carebears' then PVPers.
We'll see soon enough.
It would have been their own fault for rolling on a PvP server.
Yes, there will be PvP and PvE servers, details about PvP will be released at a later point. ~Raven
TERA is most definitely not a WoW killer. It may be an Aion/Lineage II killer though.
Yeah considering the legions I saw trying this out you can almost guarantee Aion NA is going F2P and if not with Tera then without a doubt the release of GW2. The nails in that coffin are getting hammered.
Full action combat in the themepark model and a local dev team. No chance Aion NA stands a chance. Lineage 2went f2p, so TERA will not even bother it. The game was made to grab Aion players..hell the Ranger attacks even have the same name lol
TERA is most definitely not a WoW killer. It may be an Aion/Lineage II killer though.
Yeah considering the legions I saw trying this out you can almost guarantee Aion NA is going F2P and if not with Tera then without a doubt the release of GW2. The nails in that coffin are getting hammered.
Full action combat in the themepark model and a local dev team. No chance Aion NA stands a chance. Lineage 2went f2p, so TERA will not even bother it. The game was made to grab Aion players..hell the Ranger attacks even have the same name lol
I can see someone is still bitter for leaving Aion behind and no one cared
tera will not be a real problem to anyone, GW2 most of people will keep they sub up since its a B2P
Take my word most of you keyboard turning clickers do not even remotely stand a chance against some of the pvp'rs this game has already attracted. There ae legions/guilds here who will zerg you then laugh at you on the forums as you throw a pity party. They will camp you until you quit and not care. It was made for a very specific audience and not for the carebear crowd.
And people like this is why the game will fail. Yes, it will attract those people you claim its aimed at, but no one else will play it BECAUSE of those people. Might end up with maybe 100k subs max?
You have to ask yourself do you want to evolve? do you want to challenge yourself, do you want to take yourself out of your Comfert zone?
Bottom line if you cant hack it stay away.. You either bite down in your pillow when you get asraped in prison and think about the shank you are going to make of that screwdriver you found. And then Stab all those mofos to death when you get the chans. Or you surrender and start dressing like a girl and become their permenant BITCH. the choise is yours... Most theampark goers would probably OPT for option number 2....
Point.. This game is hardcore.. so step up like a man and challenge yourself to play it.. dont be a pussy and hide in the corner...whining about How those players made it so. You did nothing to change it but complain... Get in the game and smack the F.uck out of them yourself instead of hiding away in some theampark....
What you dont understand, is that the VAST MAJORITY of MMO players dont want to put up with that kind of attitude.
YOU are the reason why PVP centric games tend to fail. I bet it makes you feel a real man to camp someones corpse and repeatedly kill them before they can even get up....or go around in groups of 10 hunting for lowbies. I actually really enjoy PvP, but cant play on PvP severs because of all the douchebags that do this kind of stuff
Its not down to the game being poor, or wrong choices by devs etc, its because of the community that these games fail....because the same few people do the same thing in every new PvP focused game, meaning that no one else wants to play it....then it dies.
I DO want to evolve, and would love to play a proper game with decent open world PvP but the community that these games attracts mean I, and the masses, wont play them and the game will therefore fail due to lack of subs.
Oh, and if you think this game is hardcore, YOU are the carebear
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I really have to wonder what game some people are discussing in this thread. A game with optional pvp, and segregated pvp servers is now considered a Hardcore pvp game? I guess WoW was a hardcore pvp game too then.
These posters are -not- your typical hardcore pvpers either , I'd venture to guess they are the lowbie gankers who run from real pvp... the posting habits and verbage seem consistant enough.
It is happening again. The hype is building and the haters are popping out of the wood work scared Tera is coming after their game. Here are some facts people. This game is Lineage 3. It was made for specific people.
. People who like Aion
. People who like the Lineage series and the devs who made it
. People who like fast action based burst combat based on FPS
I've been saying this 3 years ago.
What I needed to do is to check the game design and the developers behind it
But it's good you point it out, some people might be seriously disappointed otherwise.
As I said before, every mmo comming is a wow killer !
They will not bring it to fall alone, but cut wounds (some deeper,some just scretches) in its body , untill wow will be laying on the ground ... BUT , I doubt it will ever die, look at games doac, its still online. WoW was also a pionier mmo for many people and they will come back to it even 20 years in the future, just for nostalgia.
Take my word most of you keyboard turning clickers do not even remotely stand a chance against some of the pvp'rs this game has already attracted. There ae legions/guilds here who will zerg you then laugh at you on the forums as you throw a pity party. They will camp you until you quit and not care. It was made for a very specific audience and not for the carebear crowd.
And people like this is why the game will fail. Yes, it will attract those people you claim its aimed at, but no one else will play it BECAUSE of those people. Might end up with maybe 100k subs max?
You have to ask yourself do you want to evolve? do you want to challenge yourself, do you want to take yourself out of your Comfert zone?
Bottom line if you cant hack it stay away.. You either bite down in your pillow when you get asraped in prison and think about the shank you are going to make of that screwdriver you found. And then Stab all those mofos to death when you get the chans. Or you surrender and start dressing like a girl and become their permenant BITCH. the choise is yours... Most theampark goers would probably OPT for option number 2....
Point.. This game is hardcore.. so step up like a man and challenge yourself to play it.. dont be a pussy and hide in the corner...whining about How those players made it so. You did nothing to change it but complain... Get in the game and smack the F.uck out of them yourself instead of hiding away in some theampark....
What you dont understand, is that the VAST MAJORITY of MMO players dont want to put up with that kind of attitude.
YOU are the reason why PVP centric games tend to fail. I bet it makes you feel a real man to camp someones corpse and repeatedly kill them before they can even get up....or go around in groups of 10 hunting for lowbies. I actually really enjoy PvP, but cant play on PvP severs because of all the douchebags that do this kind of stuff
Its not down to the game being poor, or wrong choices by devs etc, its because of the community that these games fail....because the same few people do the same thing in every new PvP focused game, meaning that no one else wants to play it....then it dies.
I DO want to evolve, and would love to play a proper game with decent open world PvP but the community that these games attracts mean I, and the masses, wont play them and the game will therefore fail due to lack of subs.
Oh, and if you think this game is hardcore, YOU are the carebear
I think we have to clear something up here. YOU do not like PvP.. You like Sports. In Sports all is fair and even, both sides have the same number.. levels are about the same.. classes are well balanced, there is little to no surprises.
True PvPers hate this.. we want Inbalance, zerg tactics and we try to avoid fights unless we the odds are clearly in a favor. Just like you would do if it was a real war in IRL... doing baby sports and calling it PvP still dosent make it PvP my friend.
Dont you think I have been ganked? dont you think I have been Camped? the Diffrence betwen you and me is that I thrive under those conditions, and I Get people back if they do nasty shit to me. Its a give and take.. but I dont run home to mommy crying that the big boys are being dumb. I head down to the closest Martial arts school and learn how to fight back.. Do you understand the diffrence? Its not the players hunting for lowbies that is the problem, its those lowbies not coming up with ways to fight back. Getting friends ingame, making alliances and rolling with the punches..
You do not like PvP.. pure and simple.. you are what we call in EvE.. a true CAREBEAR.. you want even odds, fair gamplay and when that dosent happen you rage quit in frustration.. Instead of following the DARWIN rule "survival of the fittest" and get yourself better at the game and learn how to addapt... Those are the trademark of a true PVP.. everyone ells is just a POSER..
Well I enjoyed L2 greatly and also enjoyed WoW greatly played both for 5+ years each, so yeah I do enjoy it.
I am not the kind of person who cares about putting labels on things, theme park, sandbox, sand park, elite, carebear. If I like it I will play it, if I dont, I wont. TERA is definetly a game I enjoy, my only sadness is that it didnt run with the Lineage IP cause it would have been even more epic for me.
Hopefully they will add some sieges later on. Good thing is I dont really care whether or not its successful, Korean games pays themselves at home that this will never close if anything it will go F2P which is ok. So it doesnt need to be the WoW killer at all nor will it be, but this game is def above average.
I agree with this. Saying that someone that likes wow won't like this game is like saying all mexicans are illegal aliens. I play wow and have since day one. I also played Aion and Rift. I liked them both.
And there's really no such thing as a "WoW Killer". WoW will 'die' when it dies and there won't be any one game that will decide when that will happen.
My Opinion: open world PvP does not belong in my mmo world. I not even looking at this game. or any game with Open PvP worlds (cause of the factors some of you already mentions) Not sure how i ended up in this thread either Well im moving along was fun reading though
I never heard anyone mention WoW either. I'm pretty sure most people can see it's different. Even so why does it matter? Trying to keep out the "wow kids"? I'll tell you the "I'm so hardcore because I play this game, rawr!" attitude is far more annoying and immature if you ask me.
The Tera community here has been great so far and I hope it stays that way. Doesn't have to be nicey, nice but at least mature. It's a game, a game, and I hope people remember this.
I think we have to clear something up here. YOU do not like PvP.. You like Sports. In Sports all is fair and even, both sides have the same number.. levels are about the same.. classes are well balanced, there is little to no surprises.
True PvPers hate this.. we want Inbalance, zerg tactics and we try to avoid fights unless we the odds are clearly in a favor. Just like you would do if it was a real war in IRL... doing baby sports and calling it PvP still dosent make it PvP my friend.
Dont you think I have been ganked? dont you think I have been Camped? the Diffrence betwen you and me is that I thrive under those conditions, and I Get people back if they do nasty shit to me. Its a give and take.. but I dont run home to mommy crying that the big boys are being dumb. I head down to the closest Martial arts school and learn how to fight back.. Do you understand the diffrence? Its not the players hunting for lowbies that is the problem, its those lowbies not coming up with ways to fight back. Getting friends ingame, making alliances and rolling with the punches..
You do not like PvP.. pure and simple.. you are what we call in EvE.. a true CAREBEAR.. you want even odds, fair gamplay and when that dosent happen you rage quit in frustration.. Instead of following the DARWIN rule "survival of the fittest" and get yourself better at the game and learn how to addapt... Those are the trademark of a true PVP.. everyone ells is just a POSER..
Uh ... No.
You are not a pvper, you are a griefer. You are absolutely the type of player that will camp a lowbie area then run when someone of equal level/skill shows up to give you a true test of skill. What you fail to understand is that all of these titles are games, meant to be played for enjoyment. Your enjoyment is -not- valued higher than the target of your griefing mentality. When your enjoyment is a hinderance to the community, your enjoyment in turn loses value. I won't begin to define "True pvp" , its subjective ; at its core it is player verses player. What type of player verses player will demonstrate who has the most skill, that's right ... balanced pvp, which is what you call "sport pvp". The ironic thing is that the majority of us you title " sport pvpers" would literally wipe the floor with your griefer mentality brethren. We are the big boys of the pvp niche , you, the griefers are always secondary targets because you provide little challenge to us. Chanting the mantra of "Adapt or Die" stops for you griefers the second you run from a balanced engagement. You didn't adapt ... you ran and avoided pvp, you didn't go train, practice, or gear out. You ran because at your nature thats all you can do in a balanced fight. Do not muddy the water by claiming zerg tactics, ambushs, and minor imbalances are the hallmark of your style of play, all of us "sport pvpers" understand, utilized, and adapt to those situtations by practicing, coordinating, or outplaying our competition. On the otherhand I have never seen a griefer adapt to the above, instead they run.
Griefers are not pvpers, you're a secondary target for pvpers. Easily schooled and easily dismissed as an annoyance for begining characters. The only reason you support and thrive on the griefing mindset is because you -can't- cut it in real player verse player ; where your complete lack of anything resembling skill leaves you running or logging out.
Did'nt you know that every MMO that has come out since wow MUST be a wow killer?? it simply MUST......lol in all seriousness these boards are getting terrible, as is the MMO community, thems the facts.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
I never heard anyone mention WoW either. I'm pretty sure most people can see it's different. Even so why does it matter? Trying to keep out the "wow kids"? I'll tell you the "I'm so hardcore because I play this game, rawr!" attitude is far more annoying and immature if you ask me.
The Tera community here has been great so far and I hope it stays that way. Doesn't have to be nicey, nice but at least mature. It's a game, a game, and I hope people remember this.
You honestly expect far too much from the MMOPRG.com community and the MMO community at large. sadly,
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
I have no idea how this game is, it jus started to get decent attention from me. I knew it was being developed, but I prefer to not follow newly developed mmo's these days.
However, people saying it won't appeal to WOW players. You know a lot of those WOW players didn't even play MMO's, or RPG's. A lot of them came from Counter Strike and other games of that kind. So you never know how it will work out.
First, I'm a fan of this game. It's hooked me. I can't login today (of course) and I'm sad.
Second, it's not a WoW killer, but it might be a wow changer. (And by that, I mean wow clones might take some influence from this). The combat in this game is just better. Tab targeting is outdated. Server and client processors, and connection speeds can handle the claculations for real targeting and real aoe.
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No, they would aprobably choose to not go to prison in the first place and spend their time having fun instead.
Zlayer, have to say though, I actually do enjoy your posts... your like some mad cartoon creation of what some PR guy thinks PvP players are actually like
It's cool, I understand all that it's just that I can't stop thinking that it must feel cold and lonely in the 'Hardcore PVP MMORPG' camp when in order to get some smacktalk going you need to visit forums of themeparks with PVP on the side.
I actually feel for you, I haven't had some quality PVP in a MMO in ages myself.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
Im trying to point this FACT out but people still claim its a theampark... they are In for a nasty surprise..
TERA is most definitely not a WoW killer. It may be an Aion/Lineage II killer though.
I agree that many solo players and very small guilds will prolly get molested and ragequit but as I understand it (maybe Pivo can correct me) the PVP mechanics are still not finalized or in game no?
It's too early to say how it gonna go down, it's beta and many things can change.
If the ultra Ez-mode PVE is any indication, devs probably lean more towards catering to 'carebears' then PVPers.
We'll see soon enough.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
It would have been their own fault for rolling on a PvP server.
Yes, there will be PvP and PvE servers, details about PvP will be released at a later point. ~Raven
Yeah considering the legions I saw trying this out you can almost guarantee Aion NA is going F2P and if not with Tera then without a doubt the release of GW2. The nails in that coffin are getting hammered.
Full action combat in the themepark model and a local dev team. No chance Aion NA stands a chance. Lineage 2went f2p, so TERA will not even bother it. The game was made to grab Aion players..hell the Ranger attacks even have the same name lol
I can see someone is still bitter for leaving Aion behind and no one cared
tera will not be a real problem to anyone, GW2 most of people will keep they sub up since its a B2P
What you dont understand, is that the VAST MAJORITY of MMO players dont want to put up with that kind of attitude.
YOU are the reason why PVP centric games tend to fail. I bet it makes you feel a real man to camp someones corpse and repeatedly kill them before they can even get up....or go around in groups of 10 hunting for lowbies. I actually really enjoy PvP, but cant play on PvP severs because of all the douchebags that do this kind of stuff
Its not down to the game being poor, or wrong choices by devs etc, its because of the community that these games fail....because the same few people do the same thing in every new PvP focused game, meaning that no one else wants to play it....then it dies.
I DO want to evolve, and would love to play a proper game with decent open world PvP but the community that these games attracts mean I, and the masses, wont play them and the game will therefore fail due to lack of subs.
Oh, and if you think this game is hardcore, YOU are the carebear
Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom
I really have to wonder what game some people are discussing in this thread. A game with optional pvp, and segregated pvp servers is now considered a Hardcore pvp game?
I guess WoW was a hardcore pvp game too then.
These posters are -not- your typical hardcore pvpers either , I'd venture to guess they are the lowbie gankers who run from real pvp... the posting habits and verbage seem consistant enough.
I've been saying this 3 years ago.
What I needed to do is to check the game design and the developers behind it
But it's good you point it out, some people might be seriously disappointed otherwise.
As I said before, every mmo comming is a wow killer !
They will not bring it to fall alone, but cut wounds (some deeper,some just scretches) in its body , untill wow will be laying on the ground ... BUT , I doubt it will ever die, look at games doac, its still online. WoW was also a pionier mmo for many people and they will come back to it even 20 years in the future, just for nostalgia.
I think we have to clear something up here. YOU do not like PvP.. You like Sports. In Sports all is fair and even, both sides have the same number.. levels are about the same.. classes are well balanced, there is little to no surprises.
True PvPers hate this.. we want Inbalance, zerg tactics and we try to avoid fights unless we the odds are clearly in a favor. Just like you would do if it was a real war in IRL... doing baby sports and calling it PvP still dosent make it PvP my friend.
Dont you think I have been ganked? dont you think I have been Camped? the Diffrence betwen you and me is that I thrive under those conditions, and I Get people back if they do nasty shit to me. Its a give and take.. but I dont run home to mommy crying that the big boys are being dumb. I head down to the closest Martial arts school and learn how to fight back.. Do you understand the diffrence? Its not the players hunting for lowbies that is the problem, its those lowbies not coming up with ways to fight back. Getting friends ingame, making alliances and rolling with the punches..
You do not like PvP.. pure and simple.. you are what we call in EvE.. a true CAREBEAR.. you want even odds, fair gamplay and when that dosent happen you rage quit in frustration.. Instead of following the DARWIN rule "survival of the fittest" and get yourself better at the game and learn how to addapt... Those are the trademark of a true PVP.. everyone ells is just a POSER..
Smacktalk is a form of PVP in its own right and overly sensitive players always take the bait
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Player that are not fans of non-consensual PVP really need to lighten up.
Smack and ganking sparks drama, drama sparks quality PVP, it's nothing personal and all in good fun, relax.
Griefing os something different and any smart developer will take measures against it.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
I agree with this. Saying that someone that likes wow won't like this game is like saying all mexicans are illegal aliens. I play wow and have since day one. I also played Aion and Rift. I liked them both.
And there's really no such thing as a "WoW Killer". WoW will 'die' when it dies and there won't be any one game that will decide when that will happen.
My Opinion: open world PvP does not belong in my mmo world. I not even looking at this game. or any game with Open PvP worlds (cause of the factors some of you already mentions) Not sure how i ended up in this thread either
Well im moving along was fun reading though
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The Tera community here has been great so far and I hope it stays that way. Doesn't have to be nicey, nice but at least mature. It's a game, a game, and I hope people remember this.
Just not worth my time anymore.
Uh ... No.
You are not a pvper, you are a griefer. You are absolutely the type of player that will camp a lowbie area then run when someone of equal level/skill shows up to give you a true test of skill. What you fail to understand is that all of these titles are games, meant to be played for enjoyment. Your enjoyment is -not- valued higher than the target of your griefing mentality. When your enjoyment is a hinderance to the community, your enjoyment in turn loses value. I won't begin to define "True pvp" , its subjective ; at its core it is player verses player. What type of player verses player will demonstrate who has the most skill, that's right ... balanced pvp, which is what you call "sport pvp". The ironic thing is that the majority of us you title " sport pvpers" would literally wipe the floor with your griefer mentality brethren. We are the big boys of the pvp niche , you, the griefers are always secondary targets because you provide little challenge to us. Chanting the mantra of "Adapt or Die" stops for you griefers the second you run from a balanced engagement. You didn't adapt ... you ran and avoided pvp, you didn't go train, practice, or gear out. You ran because at your nature thats all you can do in a balanced fight. Do not muddy the water by claiming zerg tactics, ambushs, and minor imbalances are the hallmark of your style of play, all of us "sport pvpers" understand, utilized, and adapt to those situtations by practicing, coordinating, or outplaying our competition. On the otherhand I have never seen a griefer adapt to the above, instead they run.
Griefers are not pvpers, you're a secondary target for pvpers. Easily schooled and easily dismissed as an annoyance for begining characters. The only reason you support and thrive on the griefing mindset is because you -can't- cut it in real player verse player ; where your complete lack of anything resembling skill leaves you running or logging out.
Did'nt you know that every MMO that has come out since wow MUST be a wow killer?? it simply MUST......lol in all seriousness these boards are getting terrible, as is the MMO community, thems the facts.
You honestly expect far too much from the MMOPRG.com community and the MMO community at large. sadly,
I have no idea how this game is, it jus started to get decent attention from me. I knew it was being developed, but I prefer to not follow newly developed mmo's these days.
However, people saying it won't appeal to WOW players. You know a lot of those WOW players didn't even play MMO's, or RPG's. A lot of them came from Counter Strike and other games of that kind. So you never know how it will work out.
First, I'm a fan of this game. It's hooked me. I can't login today (of course) and I'm sad.
Second, it's not a WoW killer, but it might be a wow changer. (And by that, I mean wow clones might take some influence from this). The combat in this game is just better. Tab targeting is outdated. Server and client processors, and connection speeds can handle the claculations for real targeting and real aoe.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.