I play on the shadowlands, last night huge Ilum PvP battle, did my weekly kill 150 imps in about an hour. Decided to make a smuggler as my wife loves her so much and starter plant had 70+ people on it. The pop on my server seems to be good still.
I am on this server. Yesterday there were about 100 folks on Tattooine. We gathered our guild to go fight our rival guild in Outlaws Den, which was a lot of fun. There are almost always 80- 100 + on the low level planets and usually 50-70 on the higher level planets. This is on the republic side.
(Btw when I log on my server its heavy, and I see 300 people in the imperial navy. You should see how many are there when WZ's are down... lol)
Sweet Jesus, 300? I would kill just to have a fifth of that running around on my fleet.
No wonder you think all the servers are fine.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
from what ive heard you cant really judge if a server is populated or not due to how the zones work.isnt it like really instanced and thats why people complain that sw tor is a single player rpg or somethin
i mean,me personally.i dont see why as far as questing goes you wouldnt want to be alone.i dont know about anyone else,but nothing pisses me off more then gettin a quest,going to the zone only to have 20 other people clogged in it and taking all the mobs
from what ive heard you cant really judge if a server is populated or not due to how the zones work.isnt it like really instanced and thats why people complain that sw tor is a single player rpg or somethin
i mean,me personally.i dont see why as far as questing goes you wouldnt want to be alone.i dont know about anyone else,but nothing pisses me off more then gettin a quest,going to the zone only to have 20 other people clogged in it and taking all the mobs
Most complaining about this are referring to the difficulty there is trying to form groups for heroics, Area 4s, and fps. That is where the problem arises. Not in what you're referring to.
I mean the emptiness can stand out at times in chat and the like, but I think the driving force for the argument is how difficult it becomes trying to complete group related material.
Besides, BW did a fairly good job with mob placement and respawn times so really wouldn't be much of an issue. Not going to say it could never happen but compared to how it used to be in some earlier games I've played even if your area is swarming with people really isn't that much of a hassle. Only problem could be if you're vying with others for bonus kills more than anything.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
To continue the restrant analogy, you're saying, "Don't eat at that fish house, they don't serve steak. I like steak and fish sucks. Here's why fish sucks. Any of you who like fish are deluded fools who don't know that steak is where it's at."
Well, if a fish only restaurant isn't serving steak.. it may well be worth mentioning to other people looking for steak. The fish lovers can happily ignore such comments as it doesn't effect them.
You're also making the assumption that people are only complaining about the type of service offered and not the quality of the service. You're doing a huge disservice to everyone. Perhaps I like fish.. perhaps the fish really isn't being cooked very well.
Its a bit rude of you to dismiss these complaints on the basis of a false assumption just because you happen to like the food and cant stand to hear a bad thing said about the place.
If you think its good, say so, but don't try to censor opposing opinions.
Great points Tawn47. I never have been able to understand players just wanting other players to remain silent if they don't agree/like something in a game they play. I'd rather talk about why you like or don't like something and how you could improve it.
You miss the point of those last 2 post, one is saying if people don't play the games anymore, why keep bashing it and the other one says, to prevent people from making the same mistake as he did. Nothing about your likes and dislikes on the game to improve it...as a matter of fact, it's encourage to do so, to make your game even better.
BTW, don't go see Battlefield Earth, that movie sucks.
Well I hate to overuse analogies, but if I eat at a bad restaurant.. I just tell people not to eat there.. it is not my job to offer advice to the chef.
You are still missing the whole point, if you eat at a bad restaurant, it's ok to tell people, it's getting anoying when you say it over and over everyday to the same people, like many here does. Also, if you eat at a bad restaurant, let say you receive your plate and the food is no good for whatever reason, you might want to complain to the waitress and get replacement, if that doesn't work, you go to the manager and even the chef.
Well, if people are shoving it down your throat thats one thing, but you could easily avoid the complaints if you wanted to. People are entitled to express their opinions in a public forum, as much as they feel necessary provided it doesn't escalate into harassment. Is someone harassing you with their negative opinions of this game?
I might, or I might expect a good service the first time I visit. Thats my perogative.
If you had read my comment past the first paragraph you would have noticed that I have no problem at all with complaints that are on topic and potentially helpfull to point out failings or weaknesses in a particular game. These sorts of comments in moderation are helpful to players trying to understand the strenghts and weaknesses of a particular game.
My problem is with people who repeatedly post negative comments of no real substance on game forums and I don't really care what game it is, just to chime in about how horible that game is.
A number of these players are quite happy in a game they've been active with for years and I question their motivation. All I ask is that if you don't have something to contribute then don't post, though saying that I realize I've become a bit hypocritical as this particular comment isn't directly related to the thread at hand.
Here's my comment relating to the thread at hand... there are too many worlds with two many fragmented instances that are seperating the population. The Fleets are bland and not a good social hub, particularly for the RP crowd. Even on worlds that have 100+ people it's hard to find a group without a LFG tool and the General chat channel falls silent.
AoC had less people online than some SWTOR worlds, but because there was a truly global chat channel it felt somewhat active. Now that can be a bad thing as well as all manner of trolls and the like will congregate to a channel.
As to an actuall decline in the population, honestly we don't have enough data to determine if it's just spreading out across the worlds or truly declining after the initial rush.
What we can say for certain is that the rate of new players entering the bottom of the leveling path has declined since launch, though I'd be horibly suprised if that wasn't the case.
1st when it shows 39 or what ever if you play the game you can check and find there are no other instances. Now if you play the MMO then we know this is not the 1st time we have heard of this problem. Just go reread the forums there 2-4 weeks back and find people posting this over and over THEN.
The game just launched so theres going to be up's and downs. But the billion instances, lack of people as you get out on other planets are killing the game. But its being posted here.. so
The rest are standard. There are a bit fewer Very Heavy and Heavy servers than at Launch and the lightest servers from launch never got up to standard. Past that we can't say much about the population. They adjusted the server capacities just after launch to let more people in so we can't use the numbers from the first few days of launch and if you're conspiricy minded our Standard servers might actually be hiding light servers in some cases.
All I know is that any random server has more people on it than the last MMO I played at this time of day.
Juyo is always packed and its standard most of the times. Theres usually 100-170 people anytime on the fleet unless its 3 AM at night. Our server has a very active community. We have 5 guilds competiing for PvE progression, active AH, people are always looking for groups. And this is only the republic side.
If you had read my comment past the first paragraph you would have noticed that I have no problem at all with complaints that are on topic and potentially helpfull to point out failings or weaknesses in a particular game. These sorts of comments in moderation are helpful to players trying to understand the strenghts and weaknesses of a particular game.
My problem is with people who repeatedly post negative comments of no real substance on game forums and I don't really care what game it is, just to chime in about how horible that game is.
I did, which is why I didn't respond to that part of your reply. I am in agreement with that part. If you read back you'll notice I said to you earlier that "(You might have a point if it were only unconstructive criticism you were railing against)"
Personally I get annoyed at the 'lets all get along and just be friends' attitude that some posters have.. and your post felt like it had a little of that. Conflict and disagreement are good things in the right context. They allow us to self-reflect and gain new perspectives which we cannot do if were surrounded by people who will swallow their views and be agreeable all the time. Yes-men are worse than your staunchest critic.
Personally, I'd rather the forums be a melting pot of violently opposing views, even if there is some repetition and spam, rather than a sanitised, let-all-be-friends, care-bear & pointless forum where nobody says what they think for fear of offending other peoples sensibilities.
Anyway, by your responses I think we have common ground on these points.
Really though, is it such a problem that some people are so dissapointed / upset with this game that they feel the need to reiterate their views? Why is this causing you distress? It's not like its the official forums or your guilds website. (...and if someone really is spamming, perhaps you should report them to a moderator?)
The rest standard. I think it's safe to say that there isn't a catastrophic decline in pop like we saw in some games
That being said the 8-12 light servers have never really taken off since launch. It perhaps might be a good idea to consolidate those servers. I beleive they're all from that batch of 40 or so extra servers they put in just after the launch.
Also as a side note there's more non mmo players playing than I've ever seen in a MMO, so many clueless on how to play people... I wonder if some of them even understand english.
I had two team mates run the wrong way with the ball in hut ball, and one kept attacking after he got it.... Oh well, they're the next generation. Maybe they'll survive, asuming I don't push them in a pool of acid first.
They are still here they all just work for EA and Bioware and are still living in denial that all thier players are idiots and that they have made the best mmo of all time.
Perhaps they are doing what all happy people are doing and enjoying there game. Unlike sore losers who have no game to play and just troll other games forums. Cry me a river!
They are still here they all just work for EA and Bioware and are still living in denial that all thier players are idiots and that they have made the best mmo of all time.
Perhaps they are doing what all happy people are doing and enjoying there game. Unlike sore losers who have no game to play and just troll other games forums. Cry me a river!
I love how people think that others have some personal stake in this beyond the fact that they wish the game was worth the money they spent on it. Trust me buddy, we would all love the game to be as good as we thought it could be.
They are still here they all just work for EA and Bioware and are still living in denial that all thier players are idiots and that they have made the best mmo of all time.
Perhaps they are doing what all happy people are doing and enjoying there game. Unlike sore losers who have no game to play and just troll other games forums. Cry me a river!
I love how people think that others have some personal stake in this beyond the fact that they wish the game was worth the money they spent on it. Trust me buddy, we would all love the game to be as good as we thought it could be.
If only that were even remotely accurate.
There are a lot of players that didn't touch the game & piss and moan about it, you assume every commentator on here that bashes the game actually wanted it to succeed, yet there are tons of posts stating the exact opposite.
They are still here they all just work for EA and Bioware and are still living in denial that all thier players are idiots and that they have made the best mmo of all time.
Perhaps they are doing what all happy people are doing and enjoying there game. Unlike sore losers who have no game to play and just troll other games forums. Cry me a river!
I love how people think that others have some personal stake in this beyond the fact that they wish the game was worth the money they spent on it. Trust me buddy, we would all love the game to be as good as we thought it could be.
If only that were even remotely accurate.
There are a lot of players that didn't touch the game & piss and moan about it, you assume every commentator on here that bashes the game actually wanted it to succeed, yet there are tons of posts stating the exact opposite.
So you think people wake up everyday, and think up new ways to lie about and smear SWTOR without ever having actually checked it out?
I mean that is pretty much what Bioware wants us to believe, so why not.
But really anybody that is upset with how the game turned out just wishes it could have been the game for them, instead they got this.
They are still here they all just work for EA and Bioware and are still living in denial that all thier players are idiots and that they have made the best mmo of all time.
Perhaps they are doing what all happy people are doing and enjoying there game. Unlike sore losers who have no game to play and just troll other games forums. Cry me a river!
I love how people think that others have some personal stake in this beyond the fact that they wish the game was worth the money they spent on it. Trust me buddy, we would all love the game to be as good as we thought it could be.
If only that were even remotely accurate.
There are a lot of players that didn't touch the game & piss and moan about it, you assume every commentator on here that bashes the game actually wanted it to succeed, yet there are tons of posts stating the exact opposite.
So you think people wake up everyday, and think up new ways to lie about and smear SWTOR without ever having actually checked it out?
I mean that is pretty much what Bioware wants us to believe, so why not.
But really anybody that is upset with how the game turned out just wishes it could have been the game for them, instead they got this.
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I am on this server. Yesterday there were about 100 folks on Tattooine. We gathered our guild to go fight our rival guild in Outlaws Den, which was a lot of fun. There are almost always 80- 100 + on the low level planets and usually 50-70 on the higher level planets. This is on the republic side.
Sweet Jesus, 300? I would kill just to have a fifth of that running around on my fleet.
No wonder you think all the servers are fine.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
from what ive heard you cant really judge if a server is populated or not due to how the zones work.isnt it like really instanced and thats why people complain that sw tor is a single player rpg or somethin
i mean,me personally.i dont see why as far as questing goes you wouldnt want to be alone.i dont know about anyone else,but nothing pisses me off more then gettin a quest,going to the zone only to have 20 other people clogged in it and taking all the mobs
Most complaining about this are referring to the difficulty there is trying to form groups for heroics, Area 4s, and fps. That is where the problem arises. Not in what you're referring to.
I mean the emptiness can stand out at times in chat and the like, but I think the driving force for the argument is how difficult it becomes trying to complete group related material.
Besides, BW did a fairly good job with mob placement and respawn times so really wouldn't be much of an issue. Not going to say it could never happen but compared to how it used to be in some earlier games I've played even if your area is swarming with people really isn't that much of a hassle. Only problem could be if you're vying with others for bonus kills more than anything.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Well, if a fish only restaurant isn't serving steak.. it may well be worth mentioning to other people looking for steak. The fish lovers can happily ignore such comments as it doesn't effect them.
You're also making the assumption that people are only complaining about the type of service offered and not the quality of the service. You're doing a huge disservice to everyone. Perhaps I like fish.. perhaps the fish really isn't being cooked very well.
Its a bit rude of you to dismiss these complaints on the basis of a false assumption just because you happen to like the food and cant stand to hear a bad thing said about the place.
If you think its good, say so, but don't try to censor opposing opinions.
Well, if people are shoving it down your throat thats one thing, but you could easily avoid the complaints if you wanted to. People are entitled to express their opinions in a public forum, as much as they feel necessary provided it doesn't escalate into harassment. Is someone harassing you with their negative opinions of this game?
I might, or I might expect a good service the first time I visit. Thats my perogative.
If you had read my comment past the first paragraph you would have noticed that I have no problem at all with complaints that are on topic and potentially helpfull to point out failings or weaknesses in a particular game. These sorts of comments in moderation are helpful to players trying to understand the strenghts and weaknesses of a particular game.
My problem is with people who repeatedly post negative comments of no real substance on game forums and I don't really care what game it is, just to chime in about how horible that game is.
A number of these players are quite happy in a game they've been active with for years and I question their motivation. All I ask is that if you don't have something to contribute then don't post, though saying that I realize I've become a bit hypocritical as this particular comment isn't directly related to the thread at hand.
Here's my comment relating to the thread at hand... there are too many worlds with two many fragmented instances that are seperating the population. The Fleets are bland and not a good social hub, particularly for the RP crowd. Even on worlds that have 100+ people it's hard to find a group without a LFG tool and the General chat channel falls silent.
AoC had less people online than some SWTOR worlds, but because there was a truly global chat channel it felt somewhat active. Now that can be a bad thing as well as all manner of trolls and the like will congregate to a channel.
As to an actuall decline in the population, honestly we don't have enough data to determine if it's just spreading out across the worlds or truly declining after the initial rush.
What we can say for certain is that the rate of new players entering the bottom of the leveling path has declined since launch, though I'd be horibly suprised if that wasn't the case.
Hmm.. That's odd. There should be 1.7 million people on your server and all of them awake and playing at the same time you are.
You should write the company about that. That is a legitimate concern.
1st when it shows 39 or what ever if you play the game you can check and find there are no other instances. Now if you play the MMO then we know this is not the 1st time we have heard of this problem. Just go reread the forums there 2-4 weeks back and find people posting this over and over THEN.
The game just launched so theres going to be up's and downs. But the billion instances, lack of people as you get out on other planets are killing the game. But its being posted here.. so
Right now Sunday afternoon there are
16 Light Servers
10 Heavy Servers
3 Very Heavy servers
The rest are standard. There are a bit fewer Very Heavy and Heavy servers than at Launch and the lightest servers from launch never got up to standard. Past that we can't say much about the population. They adjusted the server capacities just after launch to let more people in so we can't use the numbers from the first few days of launch and if you're conspiricy minded our Standard servers might actually be hiding light servers in some cases.
All I know is that any random server has more people on it than the last MMO I played at this time of day.
Juyo is always packed and its standard most of the times. Theres usually 100-170 people anytime on the fleet unless its 3 AM at night. Our server has a very active community. We have 5 guilds competiing for PvE progression, active AH, people are always looking for groups. And this is only the republic side.
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I did, which is why I didn't respond to that part of your reply. I am in agreement with that part. If you read back you'll notice I said to you earlier that "(You might have a point if it were only unconstructive criticism you were railing against)"
Personally I get annoyed at the 'lets all get along and just be friends' attitude that some posters have.. and your post felt like it had a little of that. Conflict and disagreement are good things in the right context. They allow us to self-reflect and gain new perspectives which we cannot do if were surrounded by people who will swallow their views and be agreeable all the time. Yes-men are worse than your staunchest critic.
Personally, I'd rather the forums be a melting pot of violently opposing views, even if there is some repetition and spam, rather than a sanitised, let-all-be-friends, care-bear & pointless forum where nobody says what they think for fear of offending other peoples sensibilities.
Anyway, by your responses I think we have common ground on these points.
Really though, is it such a problem that some people are so dissapointed / upset with this game that they feel the need to reiterate their views? Why is this causing you distress? It's not like its the official forums or your guilds website. (...and if someone really is spamming, perhaps you should report them to a moderator?)
Right now there's
3 Very Heavy Servers
37 Heavy Servers
8 Light Servers
The rest standard. I think it's safe to say that there isn't a catastrophic decline in pop like we saw in some games
That being said the 8-12 light servers have never really taken off since launch. It perhaps might be a good idea to consolidate those servers. I beleive they're all from that batch of 40 or so extra servers they put in just after the launch.
Also as a side note there's more non mmo players playing than I've ever seen in a MMO, so many clueless on how to play people... I wonder if some of them even understand english.
I had two team mates run the wrong way with the ball in hut ball, and one kept attacking after he got it.... Oh well, they're the next generation. Maybe they'll survive, asuming I don't push them in a pool of acid first.
Perhaps they are doing what all happy people are doing and enjoying there game. Unlike sore losers who have no game to play and just troll other games forums. Cry me a river!
I love how people think that others have some personal stake in this beyond the fact that they wish the game was worth the money they spent on it. Trust me buddy, we would all love the game to be as good as we thought it could be.
If only that were even remotely accurate.
There are a lot of players that didn't touch the game & piss and moan about it, you assume every commentator on here that bashes the game actually wanted it to succeed, yet there are tons of posts stating the exact opposite.
So you think people wake up everyday, and think up new ways to lie about and smear SWTOR without ever having actually checked it out?
I mean that is pretty much what Bioware wants us to believe, so why not.
But really anybody that is upset with how the game turned out just wishes it could have been the game for them, instead they got this.
Are you new to the internet?