Originally posted by anarchyart Well I am in beta and while I can't say much specific (I take beta very seriously) I can say that some of what I have seen has better graphics than ANY game out now, and I have seen them all. I have seen some amazing things and am loving being a tester for this game. I started my MMORPG career with UO and let me just say once this game is released, it will knock some people on their asses!
Yawn.
Sell crazy someplace else.
on other irth thread you recomment people to form their own opinion yet here you flame one who has done so?
hm..ok.
And no, Anarchyart isn't a dev in disguise hovering over mmorpg.com headquarters in black helicopter...
Yes, and that would be addressed to those who do not have a vested interest in the game. Everyone is well aware of anarchy's as well as your opinion ...so instead of getting your feathers ruffled, read it for what it is ...like this, a direct response to an individual. You, above all here, should not be lecturing on inconsistancies.
A black helicopter? LOL No, I am quite sure he isn't. I see him probably driving in a rusty green station wagon. He posts on other threads regarding other games whereas you eat, sleep breathe this game. If anyone sulks around MMORPG it is clearly you.
Originally posted by anarchyart Well I am in beta and while I can't say much specific (I take beta very seriously) I can say that some of what I have seen has better graphics than ANY game out now, and I have seen them all. I have seen some amazing things and am loving being a tester for this game. I started my MMORPG career with UO and let me just say once this game is released, it will knock some people on their asses!
Yawn.
Sell crazy someplace else.
on other irth thread you recomment people to form their own opinion yet here you flame one who has done so?
hm..ok.
And no, Anarchyart isn't a dev in disguise hovering over mmorpg.com headquarters in black helicopter...
Yes, and that would be addressed to those who do not have a vested interest in the game. Everyone is well aware of anarchy's as well as your opinion ...so instead of getting your feathers ruffled, read it for what it is ...like this, a direct response to an individual. You, above all here, should not be lecturing on inconsistancies.
A black helicopter? LOL No, I am quite sure he isn't. I see him probably driving in a rusty green station wagon. He posts on other threads regarding other games whereas you eat, sleep breathe this game. If anyone sulks around MMORPG it is clearly you.
Boris
Ok, ladies ...just lets go to your neutral corners and take 5.
Originally posted by anarchyart Well I am in beta and while I can't say much specific (I take beta very seriously) I can say that some of what I have seen has better graphics than ANY game out now, and I have seen them all. I have seen some amazing things and am loving being a tester for this game. I started my MMORPG career with UO and let me just say once this game is released, it will knock some people on their asses!
Yawn.
Sell crazy someplace else.
Finally you ran out of untruths to say, but plagiarising a Jack Nicholson movie seems beneath even you.
I have a few questions...is the non-PvP faction coming out nicely? Can they really avoid PvP and fullfill everything they needs without engaging in any PvP? Are they restricted to tradeskills or can they make tons of PvE endless hunting(which I love to do)?
I wont beta and I doubt I will buy the game, but who know?
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Finally you ran out of untruths to say, but plagiarising a Jack Nicholson movie seems beneath even you.
Plagiarising? LOL Perhaps I should suggest people kick puppies or boo at the special olympics ...but you would then accuse me of plagiarising you, however you probably appropriated it from someplace else. I have actually used that Nicholson quote before and even mentioned his name ...but who cares? I know you do not, as I also know that you are not interested in truth. You had better work on a strong support system you are going to need it.
I have few hundred posts from what around 40 is about Irth...Sir Boris has 42 posts and 41,5 of them has been about bashing Irth...dunno who's more obsessed.
Originally posted by SirBoris Plagiarising? LOL Perhaps I should suggest people kick puppies or boo at the special olympics ...but you would then accuse me of plagiarising you, however you probably appropriated it from someplace else. I have actually used that Nicholson quote before and even mentioned his name ...but who cares? I know you do not, as I also know that you are not interested in truth. You had better work on a strong support system you are going to need it.
Boris
Either way, you had no comment about my post, only had the breadth of intellect to quote some movie suggesting I'm crazy. Stop wasting peoples time with your ceaseless Trolling of this game.
You know that I am not interested in truth? Where the hell do you get off saying that? Truth may be a stranger to you, but it is a good friend of mine. Show me where I didn't tell the truth. If you wanna just piss on this game all day fine, that's your prerogative. But don't expect me not to call you out for being a troll, which is exactly what you are.
Its a good game, be forgiving about the bugs... and it's good.. The patches have been great so far. And I have never seen a company put out new content so fast.
Im not too sure I will leave DAOC for it yet... But I am keeping my eye on this one.
Originally posted by remyburke Originally posted by liek09 Well i dont why you guys keep complaining about the graphics and i admit its not EQ2 quality but you will be amazed at how fast the development team respond in terms of fixing bugs that you REPORTED as a BETA tester and new contents/patch added in matter of DAYS( 1-2 days). If you join open beta of WoW, your bug reporting doesnt matter and dev of WoW doesnt read your post because its purpose is to give you a chance to try the game for free. Irth Online development team like to use different approach to open beta and its purpose to find bugs and know what you think. Know the difference. Your opinions in open beta of WoW means nothing. Your opinions in open beta of Irth Online can actually change the outcome of the game. You dont like the character's graphic? talk about it in the private forum and put some suggestions if possible. You dont like the user interface? say so in constructive manner to dev and they will listen. Next thing you know, 3-4 days later, your opinion becomes a reality in-game.
Although i no longer play WoW i did for about 3 months...as well as beta tested it. You can't really compare WoW's beta with Irth's beta.... WoW = best beta experience i've ever had (I've tested: EQ2, MxO, WISH, Irth, RYL, FW and SoR). Irth = Next to WISH, it's the worst beta test i've done. (how ironic that the 2 crappiest betas i've done share the same character models, heheh.)
Sorry I really couldn't stand this post. I don't understand this mentality. Every company has to be as large as SOE or Blizzard? Every company has to be as rich as SOE or Blizzard? My dear friend, you didn't take part in a beta for World of Warcraft, you were given a chance to look the game for free only, trust me. Because the game itself was already done (98%). There might be some bugs reported which Blizzard really didn't care about. And you are saying, WoW is your best beta experience, lol, replace the "demo" word instead of "beta", so it really makes much more sense for everyone.
This issue was already brought up, several definations made. But, my dear friend, as a beta tester, you're expected to give feedbacks critisms and suggestions as well as reported the bugs. Neither Wish's beta nor Irth's one is DEMO. However I can't even compare with IRth's beta with Wish's one. Wish's one is far superior to Irth's one currently, literally. And except a troll invasion on the Wish forums before cancellation, all people was aware of the fact they were tester, they were there so as to test the game, literally, not to look and judge an almost finished product. Wish's beta might not be best, however it was not exactly crap like you defined. My dear friend, you and your fellows who are used to see betas as "debate of the game" or "demo" of it and unaware of this "promotion and finance talks" world can't test the games, you're too impatient to be able to do it, literally...
I really enjoyed in Wish's beta. There were major contents waiting to be implemented ( skills like poisoning, races like imps and dragonkins) yet it was cancelled. It's a game that offered me a great deal of freedom (skill-based) with a good "live storyline" which could be tracked from both forums and the message boards in the game. I took part in quests and storyline, once we waited for an undead force to fight against which was really breathtaking roleplaying experience for me, I also reported the bugs, was trying to help people out etc. It was really enjoyable. There were sleepless nights for developers, as they wrote the events and quests and kept the storyline alive as well as implementing new contents. Now I saw all that effort labelled as "crap" in a post. By the way, although the models are alike, Wish's 3D models, textures are far superior to Irth's ones to be honest.
Don't expect that every beta will be a demo of the game, it's not hard to see difference, literally.
Originally posted by Rossalis All you do on this site is whine about everyone else's behavior. You must have been that hall monitor in high school, demanding from everyone who passes by you to see their hall pass. Now you're just reliving your glory years on this site.
Rossalils, I can easily say Anarchyart doesn't match to your definations. He's not that kind of people. As it can be seen easily, he looked really pissed off due to flames SirBoris is doing in this thread. He's saying he still stick to his statements, which statements? All you do is bashing severely and making fun of the game release date delays. Which statements will you stick to? The ones I listed above. Then you won't save yourself being callled as troll.
90% if not even higher of Ros's posts have been to attack Irth, for no just reason that I can see as of yet. They are all inclusive of vaugue attacks without merrit.
From what I can tell so far of Irth, is that they are really trying hard, and I give them an A for effort. I do not see anything that bad with the screen shots, could they be better? Yes, but they are not all that bad to be trashed as a non-contender for a small market share.
Irth seems to require additional work, yes, I think we can all agree on that, but the baseless attacks of a few people here just amaze me.
Stop the flaming and trolling please or this thread will be locked.
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace. ----------------------------------------- ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Originally posted by godlymmo 90% if not even higher of Ros's posts have been to attack Irth, for no just reason that I can see as of yet. They are all inclusive of vaugue attacks without merrit. From what I can tell so far of Irth, is that they are really trying hard, and I give them an A for effort. I do not see anything that bad with the screen shots, could they be better? Yes, but they are not all that bad to be trashed as a non-contender for a small market share. Irth seems to require additional work, yes, I think we can all agree on that, but the baseless attacks of a few people here just amaze me.
90% of all posts about irth have been negative. Not just Ros's. And if you can't find a reason for that, then you are either out of touch or you are a biased dev/fanboy.
Even YOU admit that irth isn't that great. In a short span of two paragraphs, you claim that you can't see a reason for everyone's negative posts, then immediately admit that there is a reason. You can't seem to stand on your own words.
You are saying that if the posts are negative, then they are automatically "attacks"? Why are negative posts "attacks"? They are simply negative opinions of a game. If you love the game, you are free to praise it from the tops of the tallest mountains. So using your logic, your positive posts are automatically "marketing promotions".
Funny, how when anyone says anything postive, a few select people here immediately accuse them of being devs.
90% of all posts? I dont see that.... I have gone through the posts just now, and by far it is not 90% I would say 50% for and against.
What I do see is the people flaming it not giving reasons most of the time. Or at the least not valid reasons.
Of course this is just my opinion, but if you flame something with statements like "I see nothing new here", then obviously you have not tried to play the game, and you certainly cannot judge a game without playing it.
I just think that in order to review or judge a game you need to play it, to make blanket statements that you see nothing new, and I see no reason for this to be worked on, is in fact biased attackes because you have not actually tried the game.
Just because I can admit flaws in the game, but still give them credit for trying, and produceing something I am likeing is not a reason to turn the attacks on me or anyone else for that matter. I can clearly and honestly state, I played and am playing the game. I am not a dev or a "fanboy", I am a person that is likeing the direction this game is heading.
If this truly is "Open Beta", you SHOULD be expecting what the game will be like. Open Beta is usually just a time to test server stability and all that good stuff, not much changes in most MMORPGs when they go from Open Beta -> Retail.
People are making it sound like it's not really an open beta though... in which case, whatever, give it more time.
Originally posted by Apsylum If this truly is "Open Beta", you SHOULD be expecting what the game will be like. Open Beta is usually just a time to test server stability and all that good stuff, not much changes in most MMORPGs when they go from Open Beta -> Retail.People are making it sound like it's not really an open beta though... in which case, whatever, give it more time.
Well, devs actually explained from beginning this wont be a open beta by same means as others but rather "open, closed beta" because they wanted players involved from early on..."Open, closed beta" doesnt sound as good, dont you think?
and any tester can tell you this game has faced some pretty huge changes from the beginning of OB phase1...about dozen crafting skills, bunch of harvesting skills, playable race, graphics overhaul, dungeons, player housing and more towns to name few.
Originally posted by Apsylum If this truly is "Open Beta", you SHOULD be expecting what the game will be like. Open Beta is usually just a time to test server stability and all that good stuff, not much changes in most MMORPGs when they go from Open Beta -> Retail.
People are making it sound like it's not really an open beta though... in which case, whatever, give it more time.
Well, devs actually explained from beginning this wont be a open beta by same means as others but rather "open, closed beta" because they wanted players involved from early on..."Open, closed beta" doesnt sound as good, dont you think?
and any tester can tell you this game has faced some pretty huge changes from the beginning of OB phase1...about dozen crafting skills, bunch of harvesting skills, playable race, graphics overhaul, dungeons, player housing and more towns to name few.
"Open Closed Beta". "wanted players involved from early on".
What a bunch of BS. They came up with that story to stall for more time to finish development. The only "player involvement" they wanted was to get free labor to do the testing, because obviously they did almost no internal testing before they started this so-called "Open Closed Beta" in such a sad state.
Apsylum and everyone else seems to know what really happens in Open Beta.
But you actually "drank the Koolaide". LOL. You actually believed their story enough to pass it along as gospel truth.
Originally posted by Rossalis Originally posted by kisheOriginally posted by ApsylumIf this truly is "Open Beta", you SHOULD be expecting what the game will be like. Open Beta is usually just a time to test server stability and all that good stuff, not much changes in most MMORPGs when they go from Open Beta -> Retail.People are making it sound like it's not really an open beta though... in which case, whatever, give it more time.Well, devs actually explained from beginning this wont be a open beta by same means as others but rather "open, closed beta" because they wanted players involved from early on..."Open, closed beta" doesnt sound as good, dont you think? and any tester can tell you this game has faced some pretty huge changes from the beginning of OB phase1...about dozen crafting skills, bunch of harvesting skills, playable race, graphics overhaul, dungeons, player housing and more towns to name few. "Open Closed Beta". "wanted players involved from early on". What a bunch of BS. They came up with that story to stall for more time to finish development. The only "player involvement" they wanted was to get free labor to do the testing, because obviously they did almost no internal testing before they started this so-called "Open Closed Beta" in such a sad state. Apsylum and everyone else seems to know what really happens in Open Beta. But you actually "drank the Koolaide". LOL. You actually believed their story enough to pass it along as gospel truth.
They told closed betaers that they are planning to open the beta up weeks before open beta was actually even announced....i'd paste the exact forum message here and even give screenshot with dates from their own forums if it wouldn't be against NDA or if I'd have even slightest faith that it would assure you.
well, it's just an update on the matter, but i've red Irth has gone into beta phase 3 i happened to notice one line in their description that they have bought graphic assets of the cancelled Wish, does that mean they'll use the Wish engine for their game from now on? check their site for the matter.
I have a tree, a tree that's in my garde, but my garden's too small for the tree, so the tree is in my house, that means i don't have a house .... who am i anyway?
Originally posted by haylen well, it's just an update on the matter, but i've red Irth has gone into beta phase 3 i happened to notice one line in their description that they have bought graphic assets of the cancelled Wish, does that mean they'll use the Wish engine for their game from now on? check their site for the matter.
No, they just own majority of Wish's models and textures.
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on other irth thread you recomment people to form their own opinion yet here you flame one who has done so?
hm..ok.
And no, Anarchyart isn't a dev in disguise hovering over mmorpg.com headquarters in black helicopter...
Yes, and that would be addressed to those who do not have a vested interest in the game. Everyone is well aware of anarchy's as well as your opinion ...so instead of getting your feathers ruffled, read it for what it is ...like this, a direct response to an individual. You, above all here, should not be lecturing on inconsistancies.
A black helicopter? LOL No, I am quite sure he isn't. I see him probably driving in a rusty green station wagon. He posts on other threads regarding other games whereas you eat, sleep breathe this game. If anyone sulks around MMORPG it is clearly you.
Boris
on other irth thread you recomment people to form their own opinion yet here you flame one who has done so?
hm..ok.
And no, Anarchyart isn't a dev in disguise hovering over mmorpg.com headquarters in black helicopter...
Yes, and that would be addressed to those who do not have a vested interest in the game. Everyone is well aware of anarchy's as well as your opinion ...so instead of getting your feathers ruffled, read it for what it is ...like this, a direct response to an individual. You, above all here, should not be lecturing on inconsistancies.
A black helicopter? LOL No, I am quite sure he isn't. I see him probably driving in a rusty green station wagon. He posts on other threads regarding other games whereas you eat, sleep breathe this game. If anyone sulks around MMORPG it is clearly you.
Boris
Ok, ladies ...just lets go to your neutral corners and take 5.
Yawn.
Sell crazy someplace else.
Finally you ran out of untruths to say, but plagiarising a Jack Nicholson movie seems beneath even you.
I have a few questions...is the non-PvP faction coming out nicely? Can they really avoid PvP and fullfill everything they needs without engaging in any PvP? Are they restricted to tradeskills or can they make tons of PvE endless hunting(which I love to do)?
I wont beta and I doubt I will buy the game, but who know?
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Plagiarising? LOL Perhaps I should suggest people kick puppies or boo at the special olympics ...but you would then accuse me of plagiarising you, however you probably appropriated it from someplace else. I have actually used that Nicholson quote before and even mentioned his name ...but who cares? I know you do not, as I also know that you are not interested in truth. You had better work on a strong support system you are going to need it.
Boris
I have few hundred posts from what around 40 is about Irth...Sir Boris has 42 posts and 41,5 of them has been about bashing Irth...dunno who's more obsessed.
Either way, you had no comment about my post, only had the breadth of intellect to quote some movie suggesting I'm crazy. Stop wasting peoples time with your ceaseless Trolling of this game.
You know that I am not interested in truth? Where the hell do you get off saying that? Truth may be a stranger to you, but it is a good friend of mine. Show me where I didn't tell the truth. If you wanna just piss on this game all day fine, that's your prerogative. But don't expect me not to call you out for being a troll, which is exactly what you are.
I am lving the game thus far... Great job... Yes it needs work, but it is all good!
is it a good game for ppl without a game to play, but are looking for a game they can dedicate their time to?
Its a good game, be forgiving about the bugs... and it's good.. The patches have been great so far. And I have never seen a company put out new content so fast.
Im not too sure I will leave DAOC for it yet... But I am keeping my eye on this one.
Sorry I really couldn't stand this post. I don't understand this mentality. Every company has to be as large as SOE or Blizzard? Every company has to be as rich as SOE or Blizzard? My dear friend, you didn't take part in a beta for World of Warcraft, you were given a chance to look the game for free only, trust me. Because the game itself was already done (98%). There might be some bugs reported which Blizzard really didn't care about. And you are saying, WoW is your best beta experience, lol, replace the "demo" word instead of "beta", so it really makes much more sense for everyone.
This issue was already brought up, several definations made. But, my dear friend, as a beta tester, you're expected to give feedbacks critisms and suggestions as well as reported the bugs. Neither Wish's beta nor Irth's one is DEMO. However I can't even compare with IRth's beta with Wish's one. Wish's one is far superior to Irth's one currently, literally. And except a troll invasion on the Wish forums before cancellation, all people was aware of the fact they were tester, they were there so as to test the game, literally, not to look and judge an almost finished product. Wish's beta might not be best, however it was not exactly crap like you defined. My dear friend, you and your fellows who are used to see betas as "debate of the game" or "demo" of it and unaware of this "promotion and finance talks" world can't test the games, you're too impatient to be able to do it, literally...
I really enjoyed in Wish's beta. There were major contents waiting to be implemented ( skills like poisoning, races like imps and dragonkins) yet it was cancelled. It's a game that offered me a great deal of freedom (skill-based) with a good "live storyline" which could be tracked from both forums and the message boards in the game. I took part in quests and storyline, once we waited for an undead force to fight against which was really breathtaking roleplaying experience for me, I also reported the bugs, was trying to help people out etc. It was really enjoyable. There were sleepless nights for developers, as they wrote the events and quests and kept the storyline alive as well as implementing new contents. Now I saw all that effort labelled as "crap" in a post. By the way, although the models are alike, Wish's 3D models, textures are far superior to Irth's ones to be honest.
Don't expect that every beta will be a demo of the game, it's not hard to see difference, literally.
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Rossalils, I can easily say Anarchyart doesn't match to your definations. He's not that kind of people. As it can be seen easily, he looked really pissed off due to flames SirBoris is doing in this thread. He's saying he still stick to his statements, which statements? All you do is bashing severely and making fun of the game release date delays. Which statements will you stick to? The ones I listed above. Then you won't save yourself being callled as troll.
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90% if not even higher of Ros's posts have been to attack Irth, for no just reason that I can see as of yet. They are all inclusive of vaugue attacks without merrit.
From what I can tell so far of Irth, is that they are really trying hard, and I give them an A for effort. I do not see anything that bad with the screen shots, could they be better? Yes, but they are not all that bad to be trashed as a non-contender for a small market share.
Irth seems to require additional work, yes, I think we can all agree on that, but the baseless attacks of a few people here just amaze me.
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace.
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
90% of all posts about irth have been negative. Not just Ros's. And if you can't find a reason for that, then you are either out of touch or you are a biased dev/fanboy.
Even YOU admit that irth isn't that great. In a short span of two paragraphs, you claim that you can't see a reason for everyone's negative posts, then immediately admit that there is a reason. You can't seem to stand on your own words.
You are saying that if the posts are negative, then they are automatically "attacks"? Why are negative posts "attacks"? They are simply negative opinions of a game. If you love the game, you are free to praise it from the tops of the tallest mountains. So using your logic, your positive posts are automatically "marketing promotions".
Funny, how when anyone says anything postive, a few select people here immediately accuse them of being devs.
90% of all posts? I dont see that.... I have gone through the posts just now, and by far it is not 90% I would say 50% for and against.
What I do see is the people flaming it not giving reasons most of the time. Or at the least not valid reasons.
Of course this is just my opinion, but if you flame something with statements like "I see nothing new here", then obviously you have not tried to play the game, and you certainly cannot judge a game without playing it.
I just think that in order to review or judge a game you need to play it, to make blanket statements that you see nothing new, and I see no reason for this to be worked on, is in fact biased attackes because you have not actually tried the game.
Just because I can admit flaws in the game, but still give them credit for trying, and produceing something I am likeing is not a reason to turn the attacks on me or anyone else for that matter. I can clearly and honestly state, I played and am playing the game. I am not a dev or a "fanboy", I am a person that is likeing the direction this game is heading.
90% of mmorpg.com'ers can be classified in two terms...
Fanboys and HateBoys.
If this truly is "Open Beta", you SHOULD be expecting what the game will be like. Open Beta is usually just a time to test server stability and all that good stuff, not much changes in most MMORPGs when they go from Open Beta -> Retail.
People are making it sound like it's not really an open beta though... in which case, whatever, give it more time.
Well, devs actually explained from beginning this wont be a open beta by same means as others but rather "open, closed beta" because they wanted players involved from early on..."Open, closed beta" doesnt sound as good, dont you think?
and any tester can tell you this game has faced some pretty huge changes from the beginning of OB phase1...about dozen crafting skills, bunch of harvesting skills, playable race, graphics overhaul, dungeons, player housing and more towns to name few.
Well, devs actually explained from beginning this wont be a open beta by same means as others but rather "open, closed beta" because they wanted players involved from early on..."Open, closed beta" doesnt sound as good, dont you think?
and any tester can tell you this game has faced some pretty huge changes from the beginning of OB phase1...about dozen crafting skills, bunch of harvesting skills, playable race, graphics overhaul, dungeons, player housing and more towns to name few.
"Open Closed Beta". "wanted players involved from early on".
What a bunch of BS. They came up with that story to stall for more time to finish development. The only "player involvement" they wanted was to get free labor to do the testing, because obviously they did almost no internal testing before they started this so-called "Open Closed Beta" in such a sad state.
Apsylum and everyone else seems to know what really happens in Open Beta.
But you actually "drank the Koolaide". LOL. You actually believed their story enough to pass it along as gospel truth.
They told closed betaers that they are planning to open the beta up weeks before open beta was actually even announced....i'd paste the exact forum message here and even give screenshot with dates from their own forums if it wouldn't be against NDA or if I'd have even slightest faith that it would assure you.
well, it's just an update on the matter, but i've red Irth has gone into beta phase 3 i happened to notice one line in their description that they have bought graphic assets of the cancelled Wish, does that mean they'll use the Wish engine for their game from now on? check their site for the matter.
I have a tree, a tree that's in my garde, but my garden's too small for the tree, so the tree is in my house, that means i don't have a house .... who am i anyway?
No, they just own majority of Wish's models and textures.