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So all those old games are so great...
laokoko
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Why arn't you still playign it?
People can play wow forever. People can play lineage forever.
That's the fundamental problem right?
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What was "EArning well" pre WoW becomes "Earning nothing" post wow regardless on the effect on the actual playerbase in the previous game.
Look at my space. It still has millions of users. Does anyone say that? No. Friendster still has millions of users. Do they say that? no. Because their "millions of users" are nothing compared to facebooks billions.
Pre WoW they were "earning well enough" but after WoW, everyone will think "theyre nothing" and this prompted the devs to want to have more marketshare from WoW which then ended up with those games displacing their own playerbase.
Another reason is that if they did try WoW, they probably saw some noticeably better things in WoW like maybe controls or responsiveness or somefing which makes it hard to go back to their old game.
TLDR :
Those old games got too intimidated and forced itself to grow in the wrong way.
Edit : Lineage didnt get intimidated. IT stuck to its guns and didnt displace their playerbase. Look at UO now. Completely different. EQ completely different, etc.
I posted this as a reply to your post in the other thread
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First long-played MMO I quit was because I got laid off from my job and then shortly thereafter there was a round of layoffs of game staff. I empathized too much and it pierced through the escapism and left me feeling numb whenever I logged in.
The next two games I quit after 6+ months of playing were because of changes in the business model that made me feel uncomfortable.
Nostalgia. I remember Baldur's Gate 2 very fondly, but would not like to play it anymore.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
The reason why ppl quit those old games is because after the 9th expantion the game is just ruined with all the new content that conformes to the masses ( ToA, Cataclysm, )
Most ppl find free shards that have the original game without expantions.
Most companies run their own games into the ground with updates when they shouldnt be fixing whats not broken.
The way mmo's were: Community, Exploration, Character Development, Conquest.
The way mmo's are now : Cut-Scenes,Cut-Scenes, solo Questing, Cut-Scenes...
www.CeaselessGuild.com
my first MMO was Eq in '99. I have an active sub and still play.
I'd probably still be playing EQ1 if the game wasn't dead, player wise, and didn't resemble an ancient artifact graphically.
Personally, I end up hitting a point where I feel like I've done everything I wanted to do and it's no longer worth the subscription fee. Sure if new content comes along, I might jump back in for a bit, but once that content is exhausted, I'm unsubbing again.
DAoC was killed by ToA, and never recovered.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
As good as these games are, most of us have played them for YEARS. And thats awesome. But even the best game does get old after a 4-5 years. I loved DAOC but after 6 years its just ran its course.
Same with wow. After 3 expacs its just old news.
The way mmo's were: Community, Exploration, Character Development, Conquest.
The way mmo's are now : Cut-Scenes,Cut-Scenes, solo Questing, Cut-Scenes...
www.CeaselessGuild.com
The idea is to eventually move onto bigger and better things. Some like that philosophy , others do not. It is a matter of choice.
Grim Dawn, the next great action rpg!
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I am. I'd like to have a game with the polish and controls of WoW, but not at the expense of losing the world and having it be a solo-to-cap game.
If I could find an emulated WoW server where all the mobs were elites, all classes had about 75% of the power/independence they did during vanilla (to the point it would be no contest that leveling with others was the better choice), and all loot piñatas, er bosses, were all randomly thrown in underground caverns (like Kurzen's caves, or all the naga caverns) instead of instances I'd probably play that instead.
Unfortunately, all those things I mentioned just above I can't really find in newer games, so I'm playing EQ1 because the content and atmosphere is infinitely more important than the convenience.
I played 3 years Neocron that was my best MMORPG experience and now i feel sad to see that devs need help to survive
check it out : http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/29/view/forums/thread/342876/New-neocron-2-or-neocron-3-or-nothing-.html
still hard for small but talented company ...
It's simple
The games i used to love are no longer the same games today. They have gone through too many changes to even be recognizable.
If EQ was released today with an updated engine I would play it again. Probably for a lot longer than I have with these clones. Hell it wouldn't even need more than 50.000 subs for me to be happy
because what is on offer at the moment is commercialized, overhyped, corporate garbage to put it frankly. This genre was much smaller in population before the giant MMo explosion. Blizzard made it commercial and popular, leading other developers to throw their hats into the ring, giving us a slew of titles that are worth just about nothing to some of us. A lot of vets are quite put off by the new breed.
To me it's quite similar to anything else that gains monumental commercial success. The term "sell outs" come to mind, although that may be a bit harsh, although no less untrue. It's similar to pop commercial music today or even more appropriate Metallica selling out after the Justice album and ensuing tour. A couple of years later, the Black album was released and thus began the change, and decline in the integrity of everything they had done. The genre is being overun by coprorate greed, and games aren't being made for the same reasons they used to be made. And the genre is paying the price.
After 8 years or so, ANYTHING gets old. That was a good try, though!
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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It WAS a good try
It's right up there with "If you want permadeath in MMOs just delete your character every time you die".
Both excellent comments
The obvious answer OP is....
"We referance the old games we love because "elements" of those games where epic at the time and where never fully realized."
When a new games come to light, we hope those "elements" would be retained and seen for the great effect they had on the community that kept said game going. Example, daoc (dark age of camelot) , seiging a keep, you can't find anything close today. Another example, SWG (star wars galaxies) nothing compaires to the open world sandbox and later the customization of your homes that they had in that game, NOTHING. Simple as that really, we love parts of those old games, would I go back to them in a remake ? Sure, if they improved the issues of the past. As someone stated prior, DAOC died due to an expansion. They could make DAOC 2 and have a killer game if following the game basic platform, but no they did a wow remake. They learned a hard lesson not listening to the fanbase"
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
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im pretty sure that most of the oldest games in the world are"roll the dice" kind of games.
some of those are still active and Kirkillions of years old.
an no,good games doesnt get old.
Let's internet
I already answered your stupid question in another thread, but you ignored it.
Here it is again.
A lot of reasons. Most of which you listed.
Most old games were fundamentally changed by their developers which caused their core base to leave. Instead of fixing these mistakes, those devs used their massive profits to create a new MMO, in the style of WoW, which didn't do so well.
So, the games we loved, don't exist anymore. It's really simple. This has happened with SOE, Turbine, Mythic, Funcom, it happened in SWG most famously. It happened in Ultima Online.
We can't go back because those games are NOT THERE.
Did you not notice that when EQ1 released a classic server there was a MASSIVE influx of players and they had to open extra servers?
None of my favorite MMOs exist anymore. I couldn't play them if I wanted to.
Good games do get old and dated. I loved Blades of Steel but I would not play it today as it go old, its out dated.
EQ was the best MMO and it was fun for the 6 years I played but most of the game is changed now and most of the people I knew and hunted with have moved on.
Why is it so much to ask for a new game with the old style gameplay? Is that really that much to ask for?
Sooner or Later
Not everybody enjoys a good game of Pong even though I did when I was a kid
If you played the same dice game for a kirkillion years it would get old. Argument is dumb. Also those dice games don't get totally changed to another kind of game like MMOs did after WoW.
Though my WoW account is active, I started playing UO again.