As with all games, particularly MMO's, we'll have to see where the game is at that point when "everything new" about it is old.
When you've been through all the dynamic quests enough times to where the outcome difference doesn't really matter, and you've seen every square foot of the gaming area, what keeps you, then?
This is the question every MMO needs a good answer for, eventually. There's only ever a finite amount of content, no matter what developer it's from.
Good news here, though, is, if it doesn't have a good answer, you won't be paying $15/mo. until you find out.
Well this is already a fun thread . I wanted to say a few things...
First, I don't really support trying to artificially increase the "hype" number on this site. It's already really high, and starting a fan campaign to raise it isn't going to make a difference in the long run...it's just a number.
Second, to the people saying that you shouldn't try to increase the hype for GW2 any more because it's already really hyped. You do realize that the OP was just trying to increase the "hype number" on this site right? However silly that request is, increasing the hype number in no way actually increases the real hype of a game...once again, it's just a number.
Third, I really don't see why so many people are annoyed that there is a lot of excitement around GW2. This is the same "hype generalization" BS that goes on with every game, where there is a group of people that just wants to stamp out excitement surrounding a game regardless of why people are excited.
And well, that's silly. Sometimes games deserve excitement (Skyrim), sometimes they don't (WAR). Trying to just apply a general rule that all excitement = hype and thus must be destroyed is a rather silly philosophy...special cases people, everything is different.
And when it comes to GW2...I really think that it's looking like the game deserves excitement. There's TONS of media out there that gives people a pretty good idea of how it will play. Hardly anything that ANet has promised has not been demonstrated in one way or another.
Finally, if you truly believe that GW2 is overhyped and you feel that you need to point this out, then by all means do. But please provide an actual ARGUMENT. Just saying it's overhyped...because...isn't enough. You need to bring some reason to the table and then we can have a discussion. All of the supposedly "overhyped" fans have lots of arguments why it's okay to be excited about this game. Where are the arguments in favor of why it's NOT okay to be excited about this game?
This I can get behnd, no attack or generalization of TOR or other players, no name calling, and a concise example of personal reasoning behind your hype and excitement.
Personally I don't know if GW2 is overhyped or not, I haven't played the game. Videos and hand's ons don't really tell me much either. Look at previews for every bad AAA game that came out, and you'll see lots of excitement, well scored previews etc.. it's teh name of the game really (hype).
Journalists at times seem to be the least objective of the bunch coming out of the gate.
All that said what I hate the most is seeing people build a game up to high heavens and then tearing it down after release due to bloated expectations.
I respect this. The wait and see approach is definitely viable. And you're right, a lot of disappointing AAA games did get lots of positive feedback from previews and even reviews.
I think in the end you really just have to decide for yourself. Based on my gaming experience, what I have seen in gameplay videos, and yes, third party feedback, I have decided that GW2 will very likely be a great game. But as always, YMMV...maybe you feel that you need to actually play the game before you make a call and that's fine.
And you may actually wind up hating me when GW2 comes out, because if it turns out to be disappointing, I will criticize it . But I won't criticize it out of any false expectations that I imagined, I will criticize it out of false expectations that the game Dev created. From what I have seen though...I don't think that's likely.
This as well based on my ingame experience but yea this.
yeah the promise looks good, if all pics and system they told us will be like it.
and a side note, imparcial jornalists are long death, nowadays they are sold out to something, be it companys or government....
From what I've seen from the videos, GW2 seem to be at it's core Warhammer 2, if the original warhammer was a natural successor to DAoC. Tons of similarities to WAR, lots of ideas to avoid pitfalls and plenty of improvement to the original model.
Although many are sure to interpret this as something negative, I can kind of see your point.
Warhammer introduced public quests, had RvR, had instanced PvP...
GW2 will have Dynamic events, WvW, instanced PvP...
A lot of the features definitely line up. That said, there are definitely lots of differences like GW2 doesn't have factions, and the combat seems way different, which is a huge point in an MMORPG where you are fighting like 60% of the time .
But yeah, I at least see where you were coming from.
From what I've seen from the videos, GW2 seem to be at it's core Warhammer 2, if the original warhammer was a natural successor to DAoC. Tons of similarities to WAR, lots of ideas to avoid pitfalls and plenty of improvement to the original model.
Although many are sure to interpret this as something negative, I can kind of see your point.
Warhammer introduced public quests, had RvR, had instanced PvP...
GW2 will have Dynamic events, WvW, instanced PvP...
A lot of the features definitely line up. That said, there are definitely lots of differences like GW2 doesn't have factions, and the combat seems way different, which is a huge point in an MMORPG where you are fighting like 60% of the time .
But yeah, I at least see where you were coming from.
In many ways, this is true.
Not only is GW2 building on some of the ideas first released by warhammer, but they even encorperated parts of the warhammer team to help improve their system. So far, it seems to be the better parts of the team. This shows not only in DEs, but also in WvW.
- In regards to the OT
I'm not sure this game needs 'more' hype, but the press does seem to be surprisingly limited for a game of this size. I know they don't have the marketting budget of other MMOs (hence the press betas & such), but a lot of stuff is kinda getting lost in the cracks, inspite the wealth of information this game has on it pre-release.
If anything I'd like to see more / different press groups doing things like the yogscast, in which they attempt to educate (albeit in a very silly way) on just what GW2 is, and how it's different. It's also nice to see how they keep trying to apply the WoW mindset to the game, and how they just can't quite manage to do it. I.E. In the guardian video they are trying to compare it to the paladin, but they just can't. It's too different.
Now, hopefully I won't get flamed for saying this, but I really don't see how people are still holding up fans of this game (on this site) as the pinacle of overhyped fans. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, hype is usually baseless (yet unreleasized promises made by the devs / buzz words) and has no proof to really back it up. This game has almost the exact opposite. It does have hype, and certain aspects of the game are spun in a certain light, but there is also a mountain of evidence that backs it up.
I've also seen very little in the way of personal attacks from this community, not nearly as much as I've seen in other games where the hyped fans were almost ravenous. The most I see from this community (especially now) are people correcting others who post misinformation. I fail to see the problem with that.
From what I've seen from the videos, GW2 seem to be at it's core Warhammer 2, if the original warhammer was a natural successor to DAoC. Tons of similarities to WAR, lots of ideas to avoid pitfalls and plenty of improvement to the original model.
Although many are sure to interpret this as something negative, I can kind of see your point.
Warhammer introduced public quests, had RvR, had instanced PvP...
GW2 will have Dynamic events, WvW, instanced PvP...
A lot of the features definitely line up. That said, there are definitely lots of differences like GW2 doesn't have factions, and the combat seems way different, which is a huge point in an MMORPG where you are fighting like 60% of the time .
But yeah, I at least see where you were coming from.
Those are similarities at first glance but while DEs might sound a lot like PQs they fill a very different part in GW2 than in Warhammer.
PQs and the rifts in Rift are made to offer a little group play in a mostly solooriented quest zones. The idea is that questing might feel a little less grindy if you interupt it with stuff like that sometimnes.
DEs in GW2 on the other hand is really quests that you accept by jumping in the action. Regular MMO quests have been the same since M59 and tend to fill your questlog, DEs is a way to make them feel more like they affect the world around you, while taking out the soloing from them.
The RvR is really closer to DaoC than WAR even if guilds can hold keeps and towers in them. But they are also different since the real point in DaoC and WAR is to take the enemys town, here you fight about terretory, points and the large fortress in the middle.
The instanced PvP is rather similar to WAR, that is true but other games have done it before including the first GW.
So there is surely many things that have similarities but they are still very different if you think about it. The biggest difference is however that WAR is a really small game while GW2 is huge and have exploration in it, something that was common in older games but really have been away from the genre for a long time. Another large difference is that Strain made the engine for GW2 and he is one of the best programmers around, WARs engine is so-so at best.
But there is no real point to get too hyped about the game, just try it out and see what you think for yourself instead. A mmo can have any number of cool features but still wont work for you, or be really simple but still very enjoyable.
As with all games, particularly MMO's, we'll have to see where the game is at that point when "everything new" about it is old.
When you've been through all the dynamic quests enough times to where the outcome difference doesn't really matter, and you've seen every square foot of the gaming area, what keeps you, then?
This is the question every MMO needs a good answer for, eventually. There's only ever a finite amount of content, no matter what developer it's from.
Good news here, though, is, if it doesn't have a good answer, you won't be paying $15/mo. until you find out.
Games that offer much less have kept players hanging around paying subscription fees for years.
Huge game world that isn't segregated by factional constraints; Dynamic Events to keep the game feeling fresh, with new DEs being added to the game, for free and rotated in and out with at launch DEs; fully branching personal story line, personal home district with in your racial capital that reflects your choices; Stuctured E-sport quality PVP, World vs. World vs. World PVP, loads of challenging Dungeon content; dozens of mini-games scattered through out the game world; etc...
The game isn't just innovating MMO game design, the game looks to offer more quality content than perhaps any MMO, at launch, ever.
Plus, no subscription fee. None. Buy it and play it as much as you want, when ever you want, for as long as you want, for the price of the box.
The real question is, what do you do with other MMOs that deliver a lot less, lack the innovations you will come to expect and also want to charge you $15/month to rent ongoing access to the game you purchased?
*shrug* who cares about hype meter ? I think the game is going to be decent, with many more fresh ideas then recent MMO productions like WAR, AoC and SWTOR. It is going to be fun to play and without monthly sub payments. That's all what matters.
GW2 sure is looking very promising and it's easy to see why so many people jump on the hype-mobile. However, having been let down by so many recent MMO launches, i would be fooling myself in thinking that GW2 will be immune to hiccups along the way, everything certainly won't be as rosy as the hype likes to portrait GW2.
Also, it is interesting to see how certain posters act surprised and bewildered and even express their upmost frustration having encountered a so-called "rapid GW2 fanboy of religious proportions", as if a phenomenon only observed in GW2 fans. Of course this is nothing new; swap GW2 with SWTOR and you should have a pretty decent picture of the SWTOR forums during launch - or any other major MMO release for that matter.
I guess, wherever you have rapid fanboys you'll find zealous detractors eager to belittle the other in the most flamboyant manner, almost as if in a symbiotic dance.
I'll let you guys keep on dancing. Myself - I cross my fingers and hope for a bloody awesome game
The hypemeter is to low, with all the hype around this game it should have been the first game topping the 9.+
Currently at 8.75. I've been following this hype rating for a long time and haven't seen it above 8.74 ever, but never below 8.71 (over the last two years at least). For a site filled with so many different games I think a number like this is about as much as we can expect. Sustaining it for sooo long and actually rising with more news and additional videos is a positive thing.
Well the Hype meter on this site means nothing anymore.
I will wait until a week after release, read the forums, than decide if I want to waste my money on it.
GW1 in my book sucked!
Yeah man. This will be my main reason for not buying it day 1. GW1 was utter trash IMO. I played for 2 weeks back in 05, got to 20 and there was nothing to do. I will read the forums here and check out reviews before i buy it.
I think a reasonable expectation for this game would essentially be a Skyrim type game that'll probably have much more content, multiplayer, and much longer lasting appeal and probably more interesting combat at least to me. Which would already be my RPG of the year, of ALL years especially considering it's at a similar price to Skyrim. Dat content.
Originally posted by Guileplayer
Originally posted by Thorbrand
Well the Hype meter on this site means nothing anymore.
I will wait until a week after release, read the forums, than decide if I want to waste my money on it.
GW1 in my book sucked!
Yeah man. This will be my main reason for not buying it day 1. GW1 was utter trash IMO. I played for 2 weeks back in 05, got to 20 and there was nothing to do. I will read the forums here and check out reviews before i buy it.
Did you finish the campaign? Scratch that if you weren't playing the prophecies game in gw1 for the pvp which what you played was essentially a tutorial for, then you were doing it wrong.
Well the Hype meter on this site means nothing anymore.
I will wait until a week after release, read the forums, than decide if I want to waste my money on it.
GW1 in my book sucked!
Yeah man. This will be my main reason for not buying it day 1. GW1 was utter trash IMO. I played for 2 weeks back in 05, got to 20 and there was nothing to do. I will read the forums here and check out reviews before i buy it.
It's a mistake to judge GW2 in ANY way by your feelings of GW for a couple weeks in '05. For one, the two games are very much different even when talking about the WHOLE of GW (today's game/game world). Secondly, comparing it to the very early stages of GW, the very vanilla, pvp-centric game that initially launched is an even worse thing to do. No, there wasn't much to do in Prophesies pve-wise, but a lot of that changed along with the game world becoming many times larger. GW2 is larger than all of GW, many more activities, and not instanced. It needs to be judged on its own with little weight on GW1.
I think in general user voting and "hype" is a poor means of judging a game. Fanboys and haters tend to just vote 10 and 0 respectively. I personally never vote a number, but I do give my opinion in text for those that want to read it.
For me my biggest fear over the hype on GW2 is, look at the rating on this site for GW1. It is rated tied for second best MMO of all time LOL. Now I know some really enjoyed GW1, but I doubt any would consider it the second greatest MMO of all time (behind Rift apparently sitting at #1 LOL).
I personally thought GW1 was unplayable with its invisible walls, horrible camera implementation, and just overall clunky interface. But judging from the "hype" meter it is apparently the second greatest MMO of all time. So is this just GW2 fans also voting up GW1 in sympathy then?
Now I've gotten swept up into the GW2 hype on at least 2 occassions now and have stepped back and taken a deep breath. I'm going to wait and see and hope it pans out, but I've been burned so many times before by "hype" the last thing I'm going to do is be persuaded by a hype meter...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
I think in general user voting and "hype" is a poor means of judging a game. Fanboys and haters tend to just vote 10 and 0 respectively. I personally never vote a number, but I do give my opinion in text for those that want to read it. For me my biggest fear over the hype on GW2 is, look at the rating on this site for GW1. It is rated tied for second best MMO of all time LOL. Now I know some really enjoyed GW1, but I doubt any would consider it the second greatest MMO of all time (behind Rift apparently sitting at #1 LOL). I personally thought GW1 was unplayable with its invisible walls, horrible camera implementation, and just overall clunky interface. But judging from the "hype" meter it is apparently the second greatest MMO of all time. So is this just GW2 fans also voting up GW1 in sympathy then? Now I've gotten swept up into the GW2 hype on at least 2 occassions now and have stepped back and taken a deep breath. I'm going to wait and see and hope it pans out, but I've been burned so many times before by "hype" the last thing I'm going to do is be persuaded by a hype meter...
question do you think GW 2 is like Gw 1? Like fuck all this hype shit do you think GW 2 is like GW 1 that's all I want to know.
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Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I think in general user voting and "hype" is a poor means of judging a game. Fanboys and haters tend to just vote 10 and 0 respectively. I personally never vote a number, but I do give my opinion in text for those that want to read it.
For me my biggest fear over the hype on GW2 is, look at the rating on this site for GW1. It is rated tied for second best MMO of all time LOL. Now I know some really enjoyed GW1, but I doubt any would consider it the second greatest MMO of all time (behind Rift apparently sitting at #1 LOL).
I personally thought GW1 was unplayable with its invisible walls, horrible camera implementation, and just overall clunky interface. But judging from the "hype" meter it is apparently the second greatest MMO of all time. So is this just GW2 fans also voting up GW1 in sympathy then?
Now I've gotten swept up into the GW2 hype on at least 2 occassions now and have stepped back and taken a deep breath. I'm going to wait and see and hope it pans out, but I've been burned so many times before by "hype" the last thing I'm going to do is be persuaded by a hype meter...
question do you think GW 2 is like Gw 1? Like fuck all this hype shit do you think GW 2 is like GW 1 that's all I want to know.
Ha, I imagine you poking me in the chest as you ask that. "So do you think so, huh? So? Do you think so punk?" LOL.
Do I think GW2 is like GW1??? I certainly hope not and I'm constantly told its nothing like GW1. It certainly has different features but it also shares similarities too. Skill system is similar it seems. It is developed by the same developer. It doesn't have a subscription fee. Etc.
But my point wasn't whether I think GW2 is the same as GW1. I just used the GW1 "hype" as an example of hype that would lead you astray. Hype that is flat out wrong in my opinion. And if GW2 dissapoints (I personally hope for a smash success) it wouldn't be the first hyped game to fall flat...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
I think in general user voting and "hype" is a poor means of judging a game. Fanboys and haters tend to just vote 10 and 0 respectively. I personally never vote a number, but I do give my opinion in text for those that want to read it.
For me my biggest fear over the hype on GW2 is, look at the rating on this site for GW1. It is rated tied for second best MMO of all time LOL. Now I know some really enjoyed GW1, but I doubt any would consider it the second greatest MMO of all time (behind Rift apparently sitting at #1 LOL).
I personally thought GW1 was unplayable with its invisible walls, horrible camera implementation, and just overall clunky interface. But judging from the "hype" meter it is apparently the second greatest MMO of all time. So is this just GW2 fans also voting up GW1 in sympathy then?
Now I've gotten swept up into the GW2 hype on at least 2 occassions now and have stepped back and taken a deep breath. I'm going to wait and see and hope it pans out, but I've been burned so many times before by "hype" the last thing I'm going to do is be persuaded by a hype meter...
GW were on the list long before GW2 got up there. It is a great game but not everybody likes it. The same could be said about any game on that list however, but GW ain´t up there because of GW2.
The hype of an unrealeased game is a little silly, people should really wait getting so worked up until they actually tried the game they are hyping, but looking forward to a game that seems interesting is just how we humans work.
All that said, GW2 is still the release of the next 12 months that seems the most interesting.
Sigh - if anything post like this shows that there is a long way to avoid fans go crazy with wild expectations.
I think GW2 is already the highest hype game ever on this site and then you want another scale. What about getting real , and realise the real job is not building unreasonable hype, but educating fans in what actual to exspect from this game. Some thing hardcore fans of this community have done for years.
I think in general user voting and "hype" is a poor means of judging a game. Fanboys and haters tend to just vote 10 and 0 respectively. I personally never vote a number, but I do give my opinion in text for those that want to read it.
For me my biggest fear over the hype on GW2 is, look at the rating on this site for GW1. It is rated tied for second best MMO of all time LOL. Now I know some really enjoyed GW1, but I doubt any would consider it the second greatest MMO of all time (behind Rift apparently sitting at #1 LOL).
I personally thought GW1 was unplayable with its invisible walls, horrible camera implementation, and just overall clunky interface. But judging from the "hype" meter it is apparently the second greatest MMO of all time. So is this just GW2 fans also voting up GW1 in sympathy then?
Now I've gotten swept up into the GW2 hype on at least 2 occassions now and have stepped back and taken a deep breath. I'm going to wait and see and hope it pans out, but I've been burned so many times before by "hype" the last thing I'm going to do is be persuaded by a hype meter...
question do you think GW 2 is like Gw 1? Like fuck all this hype shit do you think GW 2 is like GW 1 that's all I want to know.
Ha, I imagine you poking me in the chest as you ask that. "So do you think so, huh? So? Do you think so punk?" LOL.
Do I think GW2 is like GW1??? I certainly hope not and I'm constantly told its nothing like GW1. It certainly has different features but it also shares similarities too. Skill system is similar it seems. It is developed by the same developer. It doesn't have a subscription fee. Etc.
But my point wasn't whether I think GW2 is the same as GW1. I just used the GW1 "hype" as an example of hype that would lead you astray. Hype that is flat out wrong in my opinion. And if GW2 dissapoints (I personally hope for a smash success) it wouldn't be the first hyped game to fall flat...
Nah it's really just the way I talk, I don't even get mad. I usually laugh but text doesn't translate well over the interweb.
I personally don't like hype threads like this, as it brings in people who don't know about GW 2 to come a post their dislike.
I haven't pinpointed any claim of why it's overhyped where as I'm dead ass when I say this many can show and explain why they are excited, but ot many can show and explain how it's overhyped.
I can show,explain, and even give my experience as to why I'm excited. I only found two who claim to be dissappointed and funny enough they played the game at the convention year 2010. We know the drastic changes from year 2010 to 2011 to 2011 to 2012.
When people claim their flaws in overhype or how this game will fail they don't even hit the right things, lol I mean the shit is funny, because even I someone who is excited have only one real concern. Consistency...
Consistency is what will make or break, if what we seen,played, and experienced is and will be consistent then I doubt high dissappointment.
Recent MMOs hide a few features and don't show it either because thereisn't much to show to back their claim/statements.
How ever it's life, personally I have never been excited for an MMO to where I felt certain that I'll enjoy it. First I started off a SWTOR die hard but , it occured to me that actually trying and playing a game does give a better result than looking at trailers, yet that's all [just me].
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Haha that's funny. Right after opening this thread up and then going back to check the hype of GW2, the hype increased to 8.75 from 8.74. Maybe it was already on 8.75 for a few hours now, but I just noticed the change hehe.
I haven't checked any comments here but seeing that its already 8 pages long, I have a feeling that there are arguments already been made whether GW2 deserves such hype or will live up to it.
Haha that's funny. Right after opening this thread up and then going back to check the hype of GW2, the hype increased to 8.75 from 8.74. Maybe it was already on 8.75 for a few hours now, but I just noticed the change hehe.
I haven't checked any comments here but seeing that its already 8 pages long, I have a feeling that there are arguments already been made whether GW2 deserves such hype or will live up to it.
cant !"been waiting too long ,its was announced in what 2006 2007 .it was announced too early .now it can never live up to its hype!it is like me saying ok usa will kill all chinese with their small finger!come on it just was too long hype!
This game, if anything, needs to be down-hyped. People are building up unrealistic expectations of the game in their heads (similar to another game which released recently) and are only going to end up disappointed when they ultimately aren't lived up to.
I already see fans going completely apeshit over the slightest negative remark about their 'precious game'. Hell, just try going into a GW2 thread and stating that the combat looks like 'nothing special'. You'll be immediately flamed, have people post videos, accuse you of trolling... it would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
People need to calm down. It's only a game. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go cry over the fact I won't be buying ME3 (kidding, kidding).
If you are talking just about these forums then don't go to guildwars2guru forums because they are pretty mean sometimes, and most of the negative comments are trolls so it can get pretty bad.
I do not think this game is over-hyped yet. I also think it is in the interest of long term players to get it hyped because you need as many people as possible to buy the game so that Anet has the revenues to focus lots of love on it.
I also think this game deserves all the hype possible for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is going in a new direction from other MMOs and seems to be delivering on quality content from what we can gather from the press beta.
1) PvP that creates an equal playing ground that doesnt requre a gear grind or levling grind. Of every kind of MMO structured pvp this actually does seem like it can be an eSport, and the Dev's committment to ingame tournaments is really promising. I do not think this is an overhype at all, it can be a serious reality.
2) Skill based flexable/fluid class roles. You are not totally locked into one role, you aren't a useless tank, you aren't the focus fired healer, and everyone plays a role in dps in PvP. What is funny is even if you are still of the mindset of being support or control you still have to dps, and coordinate with the other players. The pvp videos show this and it does ad a very serious challange to the content
3) Challanging content. Go watch the pve vids and some the pvp videos where if you do not minimize damage you aren't gonna have a heal bot that can pick up and protect you from stupid mistakes. And whethere or not this is a long learning curve it does demonstrate an added layer of complexity to the game play that players will have to adapt to, because standing in the stupid in this game will make you look bad real fast.
4) Elimination of Faction imblances and Massive World PvP. Most the recent big mmos have not focused on this at all and made this a serious component of their games. And for those that have it didn't work out very well, this decision to not have factions develops server community balancing mirior factions and will help quel the issues that SWTOR has created.
In conclusion, I do not think this game has a problem with hype because based on the current evidence it is a game that is very palatable. Now I would agree we should not artifically inflate the hype of the game, but there is cause to be excited about this game, and those hopes should stay realistic, but with the exception of a few posts I have yet to see anything or any viable argument as to why some aspect of this game will be a fail. Though the trait system needs to be fully released and see what all the 12 major traits are for each line in each profession. This game is ahead of the curve because there is not a segregation between leveling and end game content, it fits together well. And with 900k apps for beta I believe that the game can become very polished and not be met with countless issues like other MMOs on release.
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As with all games, particularly MMO's, we'll have to see where the game is at that point when "everything new" about it is old.
When you've been through all the dynamic quests enough times to where the outcome difference doesn't really matter, and you've seen every square foot of the gaming area, what keeps you, then?
This is the question every MMO needs a good answer for, eventually. There's only ever a finite amount of content, no matter what developer it's from.
Good news here, though, is, if it doesn't have a good answer, you won't be paying $15/mo. until you find out.
yeah the promise looks good, if all pics and system they told us will be like it.
and a side note, imparcial jornalists are long death, nowadays they are sold out to something, be it companys or government....
Although many are sure to interpret this as something negative, I can kind of see your point.
Warhammer introduced public quests, had RvR, had instanced PvP...
GW2 will have Dynamic events, WvW, instanced PvP...
A lot of the features definitely line up. That said, there are definitely lots of differences like GW2 doesn't have factions, and the combat seems way different, which is a huge point in an MMORPG where you are fighting like 60% of the time
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But yeah, I at least see where you were coming from.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
In many ways, this is true.
Not only is GW2 building on some of the ideas first released by warhammer, but they even encorperated parts of the warhammer team to help improve their system. So far, it seems to be the better parts of the team. This shows not only in DEs, but also in WvW.
- In regards to the OT
I'm not sure this game needs 'more' hype, but the press does seem to be surprisingly limited for a game of this size. I know they don't have the marketting budget of other MMOs (hence the press betas & such), but a lot of stuff is kinda getting lost in the cracks, inspite the wealth of information this game has on it pre-release.
If anything I'd like to see more / different press groups doing things like the yogscast, in which they attempt to educate (albeit in a very silly way) on just what GW2 is, and how it's different. It's also nice to see how they keep trying to apply the WoW mindset to the game, and how they just can't quite manage to do it. I.E. In the guardian video they are trying to compare it to the paladin, but they just can't. It's too different.
Now, hopefully I won't get flamed for saying this, but I really don't see how people are still holding up fans of this game (on this site) as the pinacle of overhyped fans. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, hype is usually baseless (yet unreleasized promises made by the devs / buzz words) and has no proof to really back it up. This game has almost the exact opposite. It does have hype, and certain aspects of the game are spun in a certain light, but there is also a mountain of evidence that backs it up.
I've also seen very little in the way of personal attacks from this community, not nearly as much as I've seen in other games where the hyped fans were almost ravenous. The most I see from this community (especially now) are people correcting others who post misinformation. I fail to see the problem with that.
Those are similarities at first glance but while DEs might sound a lot like PQs they fill a very different part in GW2 than in Warhammer.
PQs and the rifts in Rift are made to offer a little group play in a mostly solooriented quest zones. The idea is that questing might feel a little less grindy if you interupt it with stuff like that sometimnes.
DEs in GW2 on the other hand is really quests that you accept by jumping in the action. Regular MMO quests have been the same since M59 and tend to fill your questlog, DEs is a way to make them feel more like they affect the world around you, while taking out the soloing from them.
The RvR is really closer to DaoC than WAR even if guilds can hold keeps and towers in them. But they are also different since the real point in DaoC and WAR is to take the enemys town, here you fight about terretory, points and the large fortress in the middle.
The instanced PvP is rather similar to WAR, that is true but other games have done it before including the first GW.
So there is surely many things that have similarities but they are still very different if you think about it. The biggest difference is however that WAR is a really small game while GW2 is huge and have exploration in it, something that was common in older games but really have been away from the genre for a long time. Another large difference is that Strain made the engine for GW2 and he is one of the best programmers around, WARs engine is so-so at best.
But there is no real point to get too hyped about the game, just try it out and see what you think for yourself instead. A mmo can have any number of cool features but still wont work for you, or be really simple but still very enjoyable.
Games that offer much less have kept players hanging around paying subscription fees for years.
Huge game world that isn't segregated by factional constraints; Dynamic Events to keep the game feeling fresh, with new DEs being added to the game, for free and rotated in and out with at launch DEs; fully branching personal story line, personal home district with in your racial capital that reflects your choices; Stuctured E-sport quality PVP, World vs. World vs. World PVP, loads of challenging Dungeon content; dozens of mini-games scattered through out the game world; etc...
The game isn't just innovating MMO game design, the game looks to offer more quality content than perhaps any MMO, at launch, ever.
Plus, no subscription fee. None. Buy it and play it as much as you want, when ever you want, for as long as you want, for the price of the box.
The real question is, what do you do with other MMOs that deliver a lot less, lack the innovations you will come to expect and also want to charge you $15/month to rent ongoing access to the game you purchased?
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
*shrug* who cares about hype meter ? I think the game is going to be decent, with many more fresh ideas then recent MMO productions like WAR, AoC and SWTOR. It is going to be fun to play and without monthly sub payments. That's all what matters.
GW2 sure is looking very promising and it's easy to see why so many people jump on the hype-mobile. However, having been let down by so many recent MMO launches, i would be fooling myself in thinking that GW2 will be immune to hiccups along the way, everything certainly won't be as rosy as the hype likes to portrait GW2.
Also, it is interesting to see how certain posters act surprised and bewildered and even express their upmost frustration having encountered a so-called "rapid GW2 fanboy of religious proportions", as if a phenomenon only observed in GW2 fans. Of course this is nothing new; swap GW2 with SWTOR and you should have a pretty decent picture of the SWTOR forums during launch - or any other major MMO release for that matter.
I guess, wherever you have rapid fanboys you'll find zealous detractors eager to belittle the other in the most flamboyant manner, almost as if in a symbiotic dance.
I'll let you guys keep on dancing. Myself - I cross my fingers and hope for a bloody awesome game
* Waves at Pushkina *
Currently at 8.75. I've been following this hype rating for a long time and haven't seen it above 8.74 ever, but never below 8.71 (over the last two years at least). For a site filled with so many different games I think a number like this is about as much as we can expect. Sustaining it for sooo long and actually rising with more news and additional videos is a positive thing.
The hype will blow your mind so bad it would make your head spin. Take that Bookah!
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Well the Hype meter on this site means nothing anymore.
I will wait until a week after release, read the forums, than decide if I want to waste my money on it.
GW1 in my book sucked!
Yeah man. This will be my main reason for not buying it day 1. GW1 was utter trash IMO. I played for 2 weeks back in 05, got to 20 and there was nothing to do. I will read the forums here and check out reviews before i buy it.
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
I think a reasonable expectation for this game would essentially be a Skyrim type game that'll probably have much more content, multiplayer, and much longer lasting appeal and probably more interesting combat at least to me. Which would already be my RPG of the year, of ALL years especially considering it's at a similar price to Skyrim. Dat content.
Did you finish the campaign? Scratch that if you weren't playing the prophecies game in gw1 for the pvp which what you played was essentially a tutorial for, then you were doing it wrong.
It's a mistake to judge GW2 in ANY way by your feelings of GW for a couple weeks in '05. For one, the two games are very much different even when talking about the WHOLE of GW (today's game/game world). Secondly, comparing it to the very early stages of GW, the very vanilla, pvp-centric game that initially launched is an even worse thing to do. No, there wasn't much to do in Prophesies pve-wise, but a lot of that changed along with the game world becoming many times larger. GW2 is larger than all of GW, many more activities, and not instanced. It needs to be judged on its own with little weight on GW1.
I think in general user voting and "hype" is a poor means of judging a game. Fanboys and haters tend to just vote 10 and 0 respectively. I personally never vote a number, but I do give my opinion in text for those that want to read it.
For me my biggest fear over the hype on GW2 is, look at the rating on this site for GW1. It is rated tied for second best MMO of all time LOL. Now I know some really enjoyed GW1, but I doubt any would consider it the second greatest MMO of all time (behind Rift apparently sitting at #1 LOL).
I personally thought GW1 was unplayable with its invisible walls, horrible camera implementation, and just overall clunky interface. But judging from the "hype" meter it is apparently the second greatest MMO of all time. So is this just GW2 fans also voting up GW1 in sympathy then?
Now I've gotten swept up into the GW2 hype on at least 2 occassions now and have stepped back and taken a deep breath. I'm going to wait and see and hope it pans out, but I've been burned so many times before by "hype" the last thing I'm going to do is be persuaded by a hype meter...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
question do you think GW 2 is like Gw 1? Like fuck all this hype shit do you think GW 2 is like GW 1 that's all I want to know.I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Ha, I imagine you poking me in the chest as you ask that. "So do you think so, huh? So? Do you think so punk?" LOL.
Do I think GW2 is like GW1??? I certainly hope not and I'm constantly told its nothing like GW1. It certainly has different features but it also shares similarities too. Skill system is similar it seems. It is developed by the same developer. It doesn't have a subscription fee. Etc.
But my point wasn't whether I think GW2 is the same as GW1. I just used the GW1 "hype" as an example of hype that would lead you astray. Hype that is flat out wrong in my opinion. And if GW2 dissapoints (I personally hope for a smash success) it wouldn't be the first hyped game to fall flat...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
GW were on the list long before GW2 got up there. It is a great game but not everybody likes it. The same could be said about any game on that list however, but GW ain´t up there because of GW2.
The hype of an unrealeased game is a little silly, people should really wait getting so worked up until they actually tried the game they are hyping, but looking forward to a game that seems interesting is just how we humans work.
All that said, GW2 is still the release of the next 12 months that seems the most interesting.
stop being such a buzz kill man!
Nah it's really just the way I talk, I don't even get mad. I usually laugh but text doesn't translate well over the interweb.
I personally don't like hype threads like this, as it brings in people who don't know about GW 2 to come a post their dislike.
I haven't pinpointed any claim of why it's overhyped where as I'm dead ass when I say this many can show and explain why they are excited, but ot many can show and explain how it's overhyped.
I can show,explain, and even give my experience as to why I'm excited. I only found two who claim to be dissappointed and funny enough they played the game at the convention year 2010. We know the drastic changes from year 2010 to 2011 to 2011 to 2012.
When people claim their flaws in overhype or how this game will fail they don't even hit the right things, lol I mean the shit is funny, because even I someone who is excited have only one real concern. Consistency...
Consistency is what will make or break, if what we seen,played, and experienced is and will be consistent then I doubt high dissappointment.
Recent MMOs hide a few features and don't show it either because thereisn't much to show to back their claim/statements.
How ever it's life, personally I have never been excited for an MMO to where I felt certain that I'll enjoy it. First I started off a SWTOR die hard but , it occured to me that actually trying and playing a game does give a better result than looking at trailers, yet that's all [just me].
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Haha that's funny. Right after opening this thread up and then going back to check the hype of GW2, the hype increased to 8.75 from 8.74. Maybe it was already on 8.75 for a few hours now, but I just noticed the change hehe.
I haven't checked any comments here but seeing that its already 8 pages long, I have a feeling that there are arguments already been made whether GW2 deserves such hype or will live up to it.
Looking forward to EQL and EQN.
i want to stay sceptic while this game is still pretty much only thing im waiting for ... atleast i wont be feeling like an ass when this game fails
Don't jinx it.
cant !"been waiting too long ,its was announced in what 2006 2007 .it was announced too early .now it can never live up to its hype!it is like me saying ok usa will kill all chinese with their small finger!come on it just was too long hype!
If you are talking just about these forums then don't go to guildwars2guru forums because they are pretty mean sometimes, and most of the negative comments are trolls so it can get pretty bad.
I do not think this game is over-hyped yet. I also think it is in the interest of long term players to get it hyped because you need as many people as possible to buy the game so that Anet has the revenues to focus lots of love on it.
I also think this game deserves all the hype possible for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is going in a new direction from other MMOs and seems to be delivering on quality content from what we can gather from the press beta.
1) PvP that creates an equal playing ground that doesnt requre a gear grind or levling grind. Of every kind of MMO structured pvp this actually does seem like it can be an eSport, and the Dev's committment to ingame tournaments is really promising. I do not think this is an overhype at all, it can be a serious reality.
2) Skill based flexable/fluid class roles. You are not totally locked into one role, you aren't a useless tank, you aren't the focus fired healer, and everyone plays a role in dps in PvP. What is funny is even if you are still of the mindset of being support or control you still have to dps, and coordinate with the other players. The pvp videos show this and it does ad a very serious challange to the content
3) Challanging content. Go watch the pve vids and some the pvp videos where if you do not minimize damage you aren't gonna have a heal bot that can pick up and protect you from stupid mistakes. And whethere or not this is a long learning curve it does demonstrate an added layer of complexity to the game play that players will have to adapt to, because standing in the stupid in this game will make you look bad real fast.
4) Elimination of Faction imblances and Massive World PvP. Most the recent big mmos have not focused on this at all and made this a serious component of their games. And for those that have it didn't work out very well, this decision to not have factions develops server community balancing mirior factions and will help quel the issues that SWTOR has created.
In conclusion, I do not think this game has a problem with hype because based on the current evidence it is a game that is very palatable. Now I would agree we should not artifically inflate the hype of the game, but there is cause to be excited about this game, and those hopes should stay realistic, but with the exception of a few posts I have yet to see anything or any viable argument as to why some aspect of this game will be a fail. Though the trait system needs to be fully released and see what all the 12 major traits are for each line in each profession. This game is ahead of the curve because there is not a segregation between leveling and end game content, it fits together well. And with 900k apps for beta I believe that the game can become very polished and not be met with countless issues like other MMOs on release.