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I told you so
Elikal
Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
/arrogance mode on
Sorry, but... I told you so. For two years I kept critizising SWTOR with the sole hope, it would have some effect, that people would chime in the critique and as result Bioware would rethink their "this isn't about Uncle Owen" design and their "story" fixation.
I told you so. I sometimes wonder where now all the people are who bashed and attacked me for 2 years straight as hater and naysayer? They all vanished. Man, where are thine accusers now? I really wish just once, these people would have the decency to say, sorry we attacked you those 2 years on, but you were right and we were wrong. Just as justice for the many times I had to endure flames, hate and persecution.
I TOLD you all, you CAN not base a MMO so much only on story! I told you time and again that companies err when they think, the "average" MMO gamer playes 1-2 hours. I TOLD YOU people would burn through the story content in a few weeks and THEN WHAT? And I also told you time and again (and some others said that too), that ONLY sandbox elements ADDED to the story would allow people to do stuff to take a break from story-story-story. I also told you it would TIRE people to always be in heroic, important story and that as a result "when all is heroic, nothing feel heroic and special". I told you a MMO needs elements that are usually called "sandbox" or whatever, like real housing with furniture, like entertainers, music system, fishing, real complex full crafting, dyeing, farming (lotro!) and a heckload of other stuff to "fill the time". But it wasn't about Unlce Owen, right? Bioware was oh so full of themselves with their "we know better" and "heroes don't do THAT kind of stuff".
I TOLD you the worlds look sterile, empty and dead. (Not to speak of the total lack of almost ANY ambient sounds.) It was all on the table but you were all wiser and said, no it would be a huge success, and Bioware listened to you that "all was alright"!
And now they are falling flat on their noses. And oh don't come to me with that 1.7 millions. Millions also play Farmville and WOW. That says nothing about how GOOD a MMO is. And relatively speaking we all know many servers have severely lost the actively playing numbers, almost all guilds have been bled of active players, and 1.2 does not look like the real turnaround.
And you know, I REALLY just wished to help making this a better game that it became. Like the few other critical voices. So if there are people to blame why SWTOR is such a mediocre game, you just have to look into the mirror. All those people who always lulled Bioware in the false impression that this was what people wanted, and this was good and well and that all critics were just haters.
But you know what the REAL shame is: with the next MMO failure, it will be just the same way again. A handful will warn you, you won't listen and then all bad predictions will fall upon us, because developers listen to fanbois. For the 6 years I am in this forum it has been like "Groundhog Day" to me with almost every single MMO developed. Some warn you, masses flame them down, devs listen to fanbois, game fails. Rince repeat.
/arrogance mode off
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You were right.
Thanks. Here is a cookie. I hope your day is great.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Hating on TOR is so last month. It is kind of cliche' now and hipster. The game has a playerbase who likes the game and god forbid they be permitted to enjoy it. The problem is the band wagon fans and leeches who jump from mmo to mmo.
1.7mil subs is not a ghost by any measure. It is infact a well, and highly played mmo.
Sure it has its problem, but name me an MMO this early in its life cycle that does not. You can not expect WoW amount of content from a game that has only had 3-4 years of live. WoW had its 3-4 years of dev, and its been live for 10ish so your talking 13-14 years of code into a game vs 3-4. You just can not write enough content record enough voice, or create enough worlds in that time.
You may have illusions of grandeur and you've actually told me nothing. Tor is exactly the game I played in beta. No surprises for me. It would be one thing if you were warning folks about the dangers of, say, deep fried mars bars or mixing citrus and dairy but this is a game. Lighten up.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
No, you're right, only your subjective view of what an MMO needs to be can define if it is good or not. But wait, not only your opinion, but that of every single consumer defines if a game is fun or not. However, if you were to try and compare the quality of MMOs as objectively as possible, then maybe 10 million subjective views in have more weight over a few hundred?
I understand that you're angry. I found that with many games, MMOs especially, people tend to expect that gaming companies design the perfect game for them, and when this doesn't happen, because your dreams are shattered, people go on forums like this one to bitch and moan about it.
Now I'm not defending TOR specifically, because personally I didn't like it, but I also don't like the whiney attitude many people take when a game doesn't fulfill all their expectations. Simply, if you don't like a product, don't buy it.
You have a right to your opinion
However I didn't listen and I like the game very much.. Play every day and *here is the real epiphany* allot of other people do too 
Its good that you feel somehow vindicated but its over now so you can go start pointing out the flaws on the next big game.. GW2 I believe it is
Now I will be off to do my dailies and work on my first alt *Ta ta*
you can quote those numbers all you want but in fact when you play the game it is ghostly, never seeing more than 100 people in your area (not actaully seeing them just what the counter says) and is the game failing on a money standpoint maybe not, something i couldnt couldnt continue playing after the first month.
i didnt cancel because it was a bad game, even though it did have quite a few big flaws, bugs. but when peak hours of my last few days netted 20 players in any region i went to with seeing only maybe 5-10 it just wasnt for me
They didn't make the kind of game you wanted, yet they are still doing well. Poor Elikal and the long beaten dead horse you ride on.
Ok, we get it OP, you don't like the game. Opinion noted. You should probably move on now, this is not healthy at all. find a game you DO like and enjoy it! Life is shorter than you think.
Best of luck to you.
Every MMORPG is AWESOME, until it's released!
I don't want a game so much as I want a WORLD!
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I love SWTOR as much now as I did in beta. These threads are pointless to the MANY of us that like the game. If people don't like it, don't play it....simple enough isn't it?
But thanks for "telling me" and being wrong in doing so.
I rather have a Star Wars MMO that's worth more than a browser based F2P game.
Besides... Cookies are for Dark Siders and they won't have me, but thanks anyways.
(I do enjoy some of what SWTOR has to offer.... it's not all bad.... but it isn't all good either. As you point out there are too many areas of SWTOR that needed much more work, more content. There are those that like SWTOR as it is but for me it's not enough right now. It just a multiplayer FPS to me with some RPG and some dictatorial story telling thrown in for good measure. To me it's not a MMORPG at all.)
Just like a good little worker ant. The word dailies makes me want to vomit. You would do well in a factory job packaging pickles.
And by a 'lot' define 'a lot'? I know twelve twelve people that purchased the game (one of which bought the six month subscription and one of which who got a two month game card) and only one of the twelve are playing on their free game card until GW2 comes out.
But according to 'stats' the six month subscriber is still 'an active sub' even though they havent touched the game in over a month and won't be back.
So there are lies, damn lies and statistics. I'm not telling you the sky is falling, but I am telling you this game is nothing more than a niche game like Rift. It is nowhere near what EA was shooting for and honestly none of these WoW-clones will ever attain what they think they will.
Thirty years of gaming experience...not sure if I should be proud of that
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Think I've stated this in a thread I made a while ago. But it's all opinion and preference.
You either like it or don't. I liked the game itself, felt it was lacking of a few features here and there, looked at it as KOTOR 3 with online, played it and enjoyed it.
Could care less what other's think, even if I get bored of the game (which will happen most likely,) it certainly wouldn't be the first, and definitally won't be the last.
C'mere...You need a hug.
/hug
Better now?
thanks for expressing my feelings. btw i hope EA will bite the dust some day.
Worker ant?! assume much? Why is it so hard for people to believe that folks actually like the game?
People on this site are poisonous when it comes to bashing a game...why is that? Do you seriously think GW2 is going to be the game that saves the MMO genre? The fall is going to be mighty just like it has been for all new releases. No mmo is perfect...
You know, i did my time, in TOR and for the first 2 months it was ok.
Just think about all the goodness TOR could have had, and how TOR should have read right out the box:
Huge open explorable planets with beasts that roam and attack not only players but each other
32 professions that include Sith and Jedi
Dynamic resource complex crafting (crafted items are best in game)
A open space game
Housing / City building
Personal story VO / cutscenes
Epic group content
Very indepth Character creation with non human playable races
Elaborite skill point system
Open world PVP with a Overt / Covert system
Bounty Hunting
Lightside / Darkside points
Three factions: The Sith Empire, The Republic and Neutral
Player owned in game vendors
Player Guilds
Player run virtual economy
City Bazaars
17 lush and diversified Planets
All this, set in the Old Republic timeline. Now, doesn't this look much more fun and better than how it is now.
Congrats you saw what was painfully obvious. Still they have people who obviously don't know anybetter, or are being paid to sing the praises of this obvious Marketing Hype Monster.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
These are my thoughts exactly. I am sure I will get burned out eventually, but for now it is a good game for me.
I agree.
But you can even take one more step beyond that.
Rather than specifically predicting an MMO that will fail, you could say that ALL New MMO's will fail. And the chances are you will be right too.
But rather than assuming that ALL new mmo's will fail you could just say.... DONT BUY IT ON RELEASE!
Which is something I always say... even for MMO's Im looking forward to, I resist the temptation, wait a month... and listen to the tears.
but no matter how many times I tell people NOT to pre-order, or Pre-pay or even purchase on release... they still do... and they all still regret it.
It took me, personally, something like buying 4 MMO's on release before I decided to never again buy a new mmo, I promised that I would at least wait a month. And with ALL mmo's in the last few years after the first month of waiting, I pretty much never bought it and have saved a lot of money.
The MMO's I do play are older ones that have been out for a while and continue to release expansions. Like LOTRO and EVE
I spy...
someone looking for SWG2...
1.7 million subs say otherwise.
For realz?
If you want to farm, there's farmville!
I really like SWTOR for what it is. I don't need to and i don't want to go in the cantina for a stupid dancer buff. I want to load the game, kick asses and log off.
Guess what, there's a market for that.
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It was pretty obvious that many elements of the game would be mediocre, from combat, to open world questing, to pvp and dungeons, but the IP and developers where always going to suck large numbers in, and there are will always be those who genuinely enjoy it.
I think the issue is whether you can objectively determine a game's status, and whether SWTOR overall is an inferior product. I love the use of story, but there is no denying Bioware didn’t take many risks with the rest of it, and for many mmo vets starving for difference, this game bites, but that still leaves a lot who can look past such flaws.
I would say it is slighly above average, and it is simply a shame that some people for all the wrong reasons thought it would be so much more. I think the OP is addressing those people, not denying that people can like SWTOR, though the OP’s tone may annoy, it is essentially true that this game was over hyped, and too many here lacked critical detachment.
Still, I have higher hopes for other mmos coming with 2 yrs, that don't have the same troubling indicators, that I can see.