Originally posted by Mikey0114 TO THE MODERATORS - Plz notice this is not flaming....I am just trying to shed some light to both sides of this silly pointless thread! Firstly I read this whole thread from begining to end....and I swear I can't believe what I am hearing from adults who sound like children.... Plz realise there is a demand for both "Carebear MMOs" and "Hardcore PKer MMOs". There is a massive difference between them...thats why! Let me tell you something...."Carebears" and "Hardcore PKers" seem to have different tastes for MMORPGS. Why have very very few of you who have posted in this thread failed to see that. I haven't heard one "Carebear" admit that people whining about how they get PKed in Old UO or other games where they hate getting pked 4 or 5 times in a few hours and loosing all their loot and money....why cant they admit they are playing the wrong damn game. And the narrow minded "carebears" calling "Hardcore PKers" A**h*les, its not their fault! because in UO there was no justice system...and yes there were silly ppl who used to camp around corpses and kill them right after they respawned just for the fun of ruining that other persons fun. I would never do that personally but dumba**es like that exist all over the world and not just in mmo's but in real life aswell! And to the so called "Hardcore PKers"....who think that the "Carebears" are just weak minded people who don't want any pvp challenge and don't want to die easilly....Its not that they hate PvP, they just prefer doing quests and being a part of the story from time to time...and maybe all the time! Now yes there are whiners who you have experienced in Old UO but those f**ls never thought that they might be playing the wrong game! You shouldn't be taking it out on the people who just wanna play a game thats simple and fun like WoW or EQ (role playing or something where they can avoid pvp for the time being) where they can enjoy doing quests solo or with a few friends without the worry of being pestered or ambushed in a pvp raid. They have their different desires in a game experience....Obviously I can understand that in Fully pvp games you can't help that but atleast make them aware that they are just playing the wrong game! BTW you can both agree ("Carebears" and "Hardcore PKers") that there Old UO didn't have enough justice....some ppl did take advantage of being stronger then others and did act like very unpleasent competition camping by their corpses continously waiting for the poor guy to respawn. I myself hate lvl based games with pvp....like WoW PvP servers....the fact that I have to spend a month non stop playing to get to the top lvl (lvl60) before I can be any true competition to the alliance if I am horde makes me swear. Because before I get to lvl 60 there is nothing I can do to survive against the alliance. Thats why I enjoyed the Roleplaying servers much more. The same goes to all pvp games with a lvl based system....I think its absolutley stupid! Skill based systems are the best way to go for PvP! But I love Open Please Read Below! I put "Carebear and "Hardcore PKers" in the "" because this is what you have been addressing yourselves as continously. So I stuck to it, but I will give you my own definition of what you ppl really are and what games you like from my own point of view... Carebear - You guys seem not to enjoy Open PvP....some of you don't like it at all, I can understand that. I also understand that you enjoy PvP from time to time but dont want that constant worry of not managing to get from one location to another because you might be attacked and cant do anything about it. And also that in games like UO you would loose all your loot if you die...and thats not very nice if you had a really nice looking rare which wasn't insured. And it spoils all the fun. Thats why you should always avoid these games if you dont want those consequences. I have to admit...I myself would probably really enjoy D&D Online (which has no PvP atall) but it has amazing quests and brilliant combat...and no pvp means ill enjoy it. I dont really like games with a mix of PvP (Faction Vs Faction) and questing, one ruins the other at times. Hardcore PKers - I am one of them definitley....I love Open PvP...the fact that I could see someone comming from a busy trading city unsuspecting me hiding in the bushes and ready to attack kill and take (loot) all his valuables is awesome in my opinion. Its the fact that you have the freedom to do what you like that is the great fun about Open PvP....you are not restricted to who you can attack or kill. And even if I am the victim, to me its fun because its a challenge, and if possible I would hire some NPC guards to escort me if I was carry valuables on me. Open PvP is not there to cater to the ppl who just love to run a mock and spoil pplz fun, and camp their corpses waiting for them to reviveee....they are just a**h*les. My Final Note - The reason Open PvP games like Old UO are not popular in the MMORPG industry is because they are a great risk and very complex to create. They want to avoid the problems Old UO faced such as a crap justice system which did not properly give justice to those corpse campers and constant villains and murderers ill call them....But to be honest I love the way Eve Online did their open pvp system....for commiting crimes you sure do get justice and a lot of problems. Maybe thats why Darkfall is taking so long to be made, they don't want to make the same mistakes and have a game which spoils the fun because some ppl found loop holes in the justice system of the Open PvP MMO. But they are in very big demand just so you know! Feel free to correct anything I stated as wrong...all I said was my own personal view of this topic.
Let me be the first to say I have never stood so corrected in my life. Bravo. And yes I do like how that people who think they can attack noobs in eve for easy loot will be horrindously disposed of by the NPCs.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
Well glad you understood it I was worried I would mislead people, I wrote this at 4:30 am my time, but I had to write something after reading the whole thread. Anyway please reply with your feedback on what I said, maybe there is something wrong which we could discuss without arguing or flaming eachother as "Carebears" or "Hardcore Pkers".
Read the whole thread again, thats what I did, you will see how many people fail to see the obvious. And btw I read what people encountered in Old UO pvp, people camping by their corpses.....to attempt to loot the stuff which was insured the first time they killed them, and since you loose insurance of the item after dying when the player goes back to res himself he gets attacked again by the same guy (who is interested in his insured items).
It contradicts the purpose of the Insurance scheme. Also some people are are not pissed off for being PKed but for being pked all the time by the same player whos camping their corps.
I think I would find that annoying, wouldn't you?....Its not friendly competition when you don't give the player enough chance to fully revive without any weapons or armour at all. I wasn't meaning you anyway. I love these types of games anyway, but unfortunately you will encounter people who enjoy taking advantage weaker players so that they can ruin that weaker players fun. I am not saying that everyone who likes playing "Hardcore Open PvP" games does this, on the contrary, we just want the freedom to do what we want, choose weather to attack any person or not if we want. So don't call players carebears just because they don't enjoy a game where you are constantly in risk of being pked, or because they have had unpleasant experiences in Open PvP and the such.
I think the biggest problem is the complete lack of an open pvp system. And attempts to make one end up being completely nurfed. Carebears have dozens of games to choose from. And instead of making ONE game for those of us who enjoy pvp, they keep pumping out more, and more, and more nurfed pvp systems. And they label them "innovative". I fail to understand how one company has yet to make ONE game that is even SIMILAR to the old school UO quite a number of people seem to have enjoyed. It gets just a BIT old reading about game after game with "RvR" "GvG", more level treadmilling, more pointless AI butchering.
And when you complain about being called a carebear, remember one thing, we who enjoyed old school UO, DIDNT HAVE TO HAVE OUR MONSTERS COLOR CODED! Nothing more frustrating to me then a system which color codes the monsters based on which ones you have to brainlessly squish to get the most exp for your time.
Guess I'll go back to waiting for an actual RPG to come along. And trying to sift through all the glorified 3d chatrooms.
Dude i so agree with you, lol playing the battlefield 2 demo right now, i never played UO on the official servers but i played a few free shards that were designed like the orignal game i was overwelmed so i tought the real thing must have been godly.
What happened? You must have been too high to notice what happened. This thread is the MMORPG version of "Dude, where's my car?".
Guess what horsas, All video games are carebear! Think you're hardcore because you want a game with full looting and open PvP? You are a JOKE! There are no penalties because you get to go eat your twinkies and go to bed after with your sippy cup of milk and have mommy tuck you in! Want REAL hardcore? Try life! All you hardcore, trash talking people who can't have fun unless you are killing people, look no further!
www.goarmy.com the perfect place for you. You would be crying during the haircut, I'd wager. If you are already joining the armed forces, you have my respect.
I am a hardcore game lover who doesn't use the word "pansy" or "gay" to describe things Now I'm not saying for sure you are unintelligent with the way you talk, but it's a decent bet. I can have fun playing just about any game, because they are GAMES, and the worst day gaming is better than the best day working.
Just have fun, go be ignorant in the street where someone can lay the boots to you. People who get all high and mighty thinking they are king crap of turd mountain because they like PvP on a friggin INTERNET GAME! You are RIDICULOUS! Hope you enjoyed reading this half as much as I enjoyed writing it.
Originally posted by anarchyart What happened? You must have been too high to notice what happened. This thread is the MMORPG version of "Dude, where's my car?". Guess what horsas, All video games are carebear! Think you're hardcore because you want a game with full looting and open PvP? You are a JOKE! There are no penalties because you get to go eat your twinkies and go to bed after with your sippy cup of milk and have mommy tuck you in! Want REAL hardcore? Try life! All you hardcore, trash talking people who can't have fun unless you are killing people, look no further! www.goarmy.com the perfect place for you. You would be crying during the haircut, I'd wager. If you are already joining the armed forces, you have my respect. I am a hardcore game lover who doesn't use the word "pansy" or "gay" to describe things Now I'm not saying for sure you are unintelligent with the way you talk, but it's a decent bet. I can have fun playing just about any game, because they are GAMES, and the worst day gaming is better than the best day working. Just have fun, go be ignorant in the street where someone can lay the boots to you. People who get all high and mighty thinking they are king crap of turd mountain because they like PvP on a friggin INTERNET GAME! You are RIDICULOUS! Hope you enjoyed reading this half as much as I enjoyed writing it.
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I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
I agree with the OP- MMO's today suck. I was around when UO first came out and had a blast; loved open ended PvP. As soon as trammel came out that killed it for me. Left shortly after- never returned.
In fact I haven't played another MMORPG since. Some of my UO friends got into EQ- I watched them play and thought "lame."
I come on these web sites looking for news about an MMO that will not suck. I tried face of mankind's open beta. It sucked. I played PlanetSide for two years- I really dig MMOFPS's- but SOE has ruined PlanetSide and it's just not the same game I fell in love with anymore.
Oh I also tried Anarcy Online for like 3 hours- did some of those virtual battles inside those buildings- pretty lame. Uninstalled.
Games like oldschool UO and PlanetSide will take off eventually. In fact MMOFPS is going to be huge- there are many more people who favor guns and explosions over dragons and swords.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
You guys are ignorant!!!! Read the damn whole thread please because you just prove my point more and more....
Don't say stupid things like n25philly just said. UO has changed over the last years of its life. I (myself, not the whole world) dont like it because now its pvp system is all screwy...you don't have that freedom you had before. But you cant call it the worst game ever!!! Shows u never played it before n25philly...who goes for graphics not gameplay! Don't ever make a statement when its just your opinion.
Btw read what anarchyart had to say and others like myself in previous posts!!! I believe people have different tastes...me myself, I love Open FFA PvP...it gives you that freedom to do anything...and we appreciate it...and if I am the unfortunate soul who does get attacked for my loot....I think to myself...next time ill hopefully be luckier. And Open PvP should be skill based for this reason, it shouldn't be based on how long you've played the game to be the best and have the best weapons....it should be skill based to show what skill you have to be the best player.
This stupid senseless argument has to stop!
As for the so called "Carebear" games...those are for ppl with a different taste...we have to face it, they are more in demand...now accept it Old UO fans (and others ofcourse...im sure they you guys aren't the only ones) with nothing better to do then curse and put the blame aimed at players who like EQ and WoW and those types of games.
Originally posted by anarchyart What happened? You must have been too high to notice what happened. This thread is the MMORPG version of "Dude, where's my car?". Guess what horsas, All video games are carebear! Think you're hardcore because you want a game with full looting and open PvP? You are a JOKE! There are no penalties because you get to go eat your twinkies and go to bed after with your sippy cup of milk and have mommy tuck you in! Want REAL hardcore? Try life! All you hardcore, trash talking people who can't have fun unless you are killing people, look no further! www.goarmy.com the perfect place for you. You would be crying during the haircut, I'd wager. If you are already joining the armed forces, you have my respect. I am a hardcore game lover who doesn't use the word "pansy" or "gay" to describe things Now I'm not saying for sure you are unintelligent with the way you talk, but it's a decent bet. I can have fun playing just about any game, because they are GAMES, and the worst day gaming is better than the best day working. Just have fun, go be ignorant in the street where someone can lay the boots to you. People who get all high and mighty thinking they are king crap of turd mountain because they like PvP on a friggin INTERNET GAME! You are RIDICULOUS! Hope you enjoyed reading this half as much as I enjoyed writing it.
Let me tell you something. First of all, when we say "hardcore pvpers" we mean "promoters of Open PvP". Yes, those are games... and that's why we are talking about games! If you want to compare it with real life, then I can give you even better comprasion. Try to be hardcore like kids in Africa who have to carry AK47s to protect their lives and fight for food. Want me to keep comparing this thread with real life? Quit being ignorant and trying to look like a smart ass. We are talking about Games, and we know it. We are also talking about different genres of MMORPGs. There are more Quest/RP based MMORPGs, there are FPS based MMORPGs such as PS or WW2, and there are PvP based MMORPGs. If you can't make this distiction and have to be pathetic and bash us for simply experssing our feelings about current MMORPG games, then simply stop, because you'll make yourself look more pathetic than those who come here and say "Oh, UO sucks, oh EQ sucks", when it's NOT the point of the thread to say this or that game sucks, afterall opinions on a game are relative, but to express a concern about lack of a certain type of MMORPG. Yes, we just want to have fun, and that's why we bring up MMORPG topic on MMORPG forums. Last tiem I checked this is not a recruiting post for Army where we can't discuss lack and needs of certain players because we'll be called idiots by some smart ass comparing situation to real life.
For your information, my PvP (DF and SB) Guild consists of 80% current or former Marines/Army. How are you going to judge them, if they have already BEEN in the forces, or still are?! Some of my guys are in Iraq atm, you are going to bash them too because they'd like some Open Enviornment PvP MMORPG? Don't bring Real Life to MMORPG discussion forum because you'll get it thrown into your own face.
Not only does combat suck (it does, you click and watch the fight) but you can't FIGHT anyone. You play online to fight PEOPLE, not friggin bots. You could do that offline.
I don't mind ppl who don't like pvping. It's part of the game to craft and all that, i like it from time to time too. But it's the CAREBEARS I hate. They're the ones who not only don't want to PVP, but want noone ELSE to pvp. Basically, they want the game world so restricted that it's hard to pvp, and totally unrewarding. They want to be safe wherever they go, whereas they SHOULDN"T be safe unless they are being protected.
IMO, there should be NO absolute safety in any mmo anywhere. The only saftey should be provided by being in a guarded area, and even then as a realistic thing (guards will protect you) rather than a game mechanism (you can't attack in this area).
I was really looking foward to RV, but theyve even let in the carebear stick a bit, and it looks like the graphics are never going to shape up (while i'm not a graphic whore, it's hard to get immersed in something ugly after playing bf2 or hl2)
Remember kids, when you see the lava coming, duck and cover!!!
Ok HolyCirle....I don't think you understand what he's trying to get at...there are weird ppl who want games which are so hardcore they wish an MMORPG was totally based on reality...with such things as permanent death. I know of 2 games which are going to include it and I think its a real dumb idea!
I love open pvp and full looting and most of all the freedom to possibly do anything...with ofcourse a justice system included in the game which has no loop holes.
Other then that you have to stop addressing "Carebears" (thats what you call them) like they are weak fools who like easy games without challenge. They have different tastes from what we want! I like some so called "Carebear games" where its only PvE...does that make me a carebear!?!? To me it was fun because I liked joining a party where it was just all about team work...no real competition! Horizons is such a game...where its all about the community and questing and crafting....and real fun believe me. Does it make it a "carebear" game cause all they fight are MOBs?
I don't believe in carebear games!!! Every game has its own challenges....so don't make out that PvP Only games with hardcore playing features included makes it the most challenging! There are others who have also had bad experiences in Open PVP games like Old UO where the justicial system had loopholes and ppl used to take advantage of this and even camp by the corpses of their victims waiting for them to revive back to life and then kill them again. Thats unpleasant...I would find it unpleasant myself....probably would leave, swear a lot and come back in a few hours or so to play some more. We have to accept that Open PvP with full looting and all that "hardcore" stuff is not in demand as other games are.
Let me tell you something. First of all, when we say "hardcore pvpers" we mean "promoters of Open PvP". Yes, those are games... and that's why we are talking about games! If you want to compare it with real life, then I can give you even better comprasion. Try to be hardcore like kids in Africa who have to carry AK47s to protect their lives and fight for food. Want me to keep comparing this thread with real life? Quit being ignorant and trying to look like a smart ass. We are talking about Games, and we know it. We are also talking about different genres of MMORPGs. There are more Quest/RP based MMORPGs, there are FPS based MMORPGs such as PS or WW2, and there are PvP based MMORPGs. If you can't make this distiction and have to be pathetic and bash us for simply experssing our feelings about current MMORPG games, then simply stop, because you'll make yourself look more pathetic than those who come here and say "Oh, UO sucks, oh EQ sucks", when it's NOT the point of the thread to say this or that game sucks, afterall opinions on a game are relative, but to express a concern about lack of a certain type of MMORPG. Yes, we just want to have fun, and that's why we bring up MMORPG topic on MMORPG forums. Last tiem I checked this is not a recruiting post for Army where we can't discuss lack and needs of certain players because we'll be called idiots by some smart ass comparing situation to real life. For your information, my PvP (DF and SB) Guild consists of 80% current or former Marines/Army. How are you going to judge them, if they have already BEEN in the forces, or still are?! Some of my guys are in Iraq atm, you are going to bash them too because they'd like some Open Enviornment PvP MMORPG? Don't bring Real Life to MMORPG discussion forum because you'll get it thrown into your own face. Ignorance.
First off, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I AM a smartass. My post was about this high and mighty attitude some people come off with because they like a certain type of game and they think anyone else is a "pansy" or "gay" because they don't want the same thing. If you didn't get that from my first post, here is a less smart ass post to say it again.
I have nothing but repect for people in the armed forces. Unless they have this attitude that anyone who thinks different than them is "gay". People who think they are better than someone else because they like their game a certain way, or anything else in life for that matter, are a JOKE. Don't you see it's like saying I like scrambled eggs and if you like them hard boiled you are gay. It's just a choice and an opinion.
See the thing is, I like the same games you do, I just don't think I'm better than someone else who wants it to be different. That's the apparent difference between us. I was in UO from day one and I loved it and I wanted to pull my hair out when they added tramell. But I also played EQ and I enjoyed the hell out of that too.
It's the "holier than thou" attitude of some "PvP only" people that I was commenting on. If it was lost on you from my last post, I pray that it isn't now.
I am currently beta testing Irth Online, I think you would like it. It has open PvP and corpse looting and great graphics, much like the UO that we so loved before it went south. Not sure how much more I can say really as I respect the NDA and take betas very seriously. Peace.
The original poster obviously quit UO a long time ago or played a free shard. I recently quit UO because I was getting tired of fighting the same people. I played for 6-7 yrs and for the past 2 years or so I have been a member of CHAMPS on Chessapeake, some of you UO gamers may have heard of us. OSI introduced insurence some time ago and the only purpose of looting is to keep someone out of a fight. Granted some times ppl drop their stuff or have an uninsureable item. but this is few and far between.
I have been playing WOW for a couple months now and just reached 60 recetly. Though there is no looting Blizz has introduced an honor system which not only ranks you as a pvper but also allows you to purchase special items based on your rank. Aside from the Disney Land graphix PvP is pretty fun, and sure to only get better.
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I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
It all seems fine to me if you state the obvious.
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Read the whole thread again, thats what I did, you will see how many people fail to see the obvious. And btw I read what people encountered in Old UO pvp, people camping by their corpses.....to attempt to loot the stuff which was insured the first time they killed them, and since you loose insurance of the item after dying when the player goes back to res himself he gets attacked again by the same guy (who is interested in his insured items).
It contradicts the purpose of the Insurance scheme. Also some people are are not pissed off for being PKed but for being pked all the time by the same player whos camping their corps.
I think I would find that annoying, wouldn't you?....Its not friendly competition when you don't give the player enough chance to fully revive without any weapons or armour at all. I wasn't meaning you anyway. I love these types of games anyway, but unfortunately you will encounter people who enjoy taking advantage weaker players so that they can ruin that weaker players fun. I am not saying that everyone who likes playing "Hardcore Open PvP" games does this, on the contrary, we just want the freedom to do what we want, choose weather to attack any person or not if we want. So don't call players carebears just because they don't enjoy a game where you are constantly in risk of being pked, or because they have had unpleasant experiences in Open PvP and the such.
I think the biggest problem is the complete lack of an open pvp system. And attempts to make one end up being completely nurfed. Carebears have dozens of games to choose from. And instead of making ONE game for those of us who enjoy pvp, they keep pumping out more, and more, and more nurfed pvp systems. And they label them "innovative". I fail to understand how one company has yet to make ONE game that is even SIMILAR to the old school UO quite a number of people seem to have enjoyed. It gets just a BIT old reading about game after game with "RvR" "GvG", more level treadmilling, more pointless AI butchering.
And when you complain about being called a carebear, remember one thing, we who enjoyed old school UO, DIDNT HAVE TO HAVE OUR MONSTERS COLOR CODED! Nothing more frustrating to me then a system which color codes the monsters based on which ones you have to brainlessly squish to get the most exp for your time.
Guess I'll go back to waiting for an actual RPG to come along. And trying to sift through all the glorified 3d chatrooms.
Dude i so agree with you, lol playing the battlefield 2 demo right now, i never played UO on the official servers but i played a few free shards that were designed like the orignal game i was overwelmed so i tought the real thing must have been godly.
What happened? You must have been too high to notice what happened. This thread is the MMORPG version of "Dude, where's my car?".
Guess what horsas, All video games are carebear! Think you're hardcore because you want a game with full looting and open PvP? You are a JOKE! There are no penalties because you get to go eat your twinkies and go to bed after with your sippy cup of milk and have mommy tuck you in! Want REAL hardcore? Try life! All you hardcore, trash talking people who can't have fun unless you are killing people, look no further!
www.goarmy.com the perfect place for you. You would be crying during the haircut, I'd wager. If you are already joining the armed forces, you have my respect.
I am a hardcore game lover who doesn't use the word "pansy" or "gay" to describe things Now I'm not saying for sure you are unintelligent with the way you talk, but it's a decent bet. I can have fun playing just about any game, because they are GAMES, and the worst day gaming is better than the best day working.
Just have fun, go be ignorant in the street where someone can lay the boots to you. People who get all high and mighty thinking they are king crap of turd mountain because they like PvP on a friggin INTERNET GAME! You are RIDICULOUS! Hope you enjoyed reading this half as much as I enjoyed writing it.
I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.
I agree with the OP- MMO's today suck. I was around when UO first came out and had a blast; loved open ended PvP. As soon as trammel came out that killed it for me. Left shortly after- never returned.
In fact I haven't played another MMORPG since. Some of my UO friends got into EQ- I watched them play and thought "lame."
I come on these web sites looking for news about an MMO that will not suck. I tried face of mankind's open beta. It sucked. I played PlanetSide for two years- I really dig MMOFPS's- but SOE has ruined PlanetSide and it's just not the same game I fell in love with anymore.
Oh I also tried Anarcy Online for like 3 hours- did some of those virtual battles inside those buildings- pretty lame. Uninstalled.
Games like oldschool UO and PlanetSide will take off eventually. In fact MMOFPS is going to be huge- there are many more people who favor guns and explosions over dragons and swords.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
I'm glad mmo's are trying to be more everquest that UO. UO is one of the worst games ever.
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What do you mean "trying" 95% of MMORPG's are EQ. Also, you should play games before you talk about them.
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You guys are ignorant!!!! Read the damn whole thread please because you just prove my point more and more....
Don't say stupid things like n25philly just said. UO has changed over the last years of its life. I (myself, not the whole world) dont like it because now its pvp system is all screwy...you don't have that freedom you had before. But you cant call it the worst game ever!!! Shows u never played it before n25philly...who goes for graphics not gameplay! Don't ever make a statement when its just your opinion.
Btw read what anarchyart had to say and others like myself in previous posts!!! I believe people have different tastes...me myself, I love Open FFA PvP...it gives you that freedom to do anything...and we appreciate it...and if I am the unfortunate soul who does get attacked for my loot....I think to myself...next time ill hopefully be luckier. And Open PvP should be skill based for this reason, it shouldn't be based on how long you've played the game to be the best and have the best weapons....it should be skill based to show what skill you have to be the best player.
This stupid senseless argument has to stop!
As for the so called "Carebear" games...those are for ppl with a different taste...we have to face it, they are more in demand...now accept it Old UO fans (and others ofcourse...im sure they you guys aren't the only ones) with nothing better to do then curse and put the blame aimed at players who like EQ and WoW and those types of games.
Let me tell you something. First of all, when we say "hardcore pvpers" we mean "promoters of Open PvP". Yes, those are games... and that's why we are talking about games! If you want to compare it with real life, then I can give you even better comprasion. Try to be hardcore like kids in Africa who have to carry AK47s to protect their lives and fight for food. Want me to keep comparing this thread with real life? Quit being ignorant and trying to look like a smart ass. We are talking about Games, and we know it. We are also talking about different genres of MMORPGs. There are more Quest/RP based MMORPGs, there are FPS based MMORPGs such as PS or WW2, and there are PvP based MMORPGs. If you can't make this distiction and have to be pathetic and bash us for simply experssing our feelings about current MMORPG games, then simply stop, because you'll make yourself look more pathetic than those who come here and say "Oh, UO sucks, oh EQ sucks", when it's NOT the point of the thread to say this or that game sucks, afterall opinions on a game are relative, but to express a concern about lack of a certain type of MMORPG. Yes, we just want to have fun, and that's why we bring up MMORPG topic on MMORPG forums. Last tiem I checked this is not a recruiting post for Army where we can't discuss lack and needs of certain players because we'll be called idiots by some smart ass comparing situation to real life.
For your information, my PvP (DF and SB) Guild consists of 80% current or former Marines/Army. How are you going to judge them, if they have already BEEN in the forces, or still are?! Some of my guys are in Iraq atm, you are going to bash them too because they'd like some Open Enviornment PvP MMORPG? Don't bring Real Life to MMORPG discussion forum because you'll get it thrown into your own face.
Ignorance.
It does suck nowadays.
Not only does combat suck (it does, you click and watch the fight) but you can't FIGHT anyone. You play online to fight PEOPLE, not friggin bots. You could do that offline.
I don't mind ppl who don't like pvping. It's part of the game to craft and all that, i like it from time to time too. But it's the CAREBEARS I hate. They're the ones who not only don't want to PVP, but want noone ELSE to pvp. Basically, they want the game world so restricted that it's hard to pvp, and totally unrewarding. They want to be safe wherever they go, whereas they SHOULDN"T be safe unless they are being protected.
IMO, there should be NO absolute safety in any mmo anywhere. The only saftey should be provided by being in a guarded area, and even then as a realistic thing (guards will protect you) rather than a game mechanism (you can't attack in this area).
I was really looking foward to RV, but theyve even let in the carebear stick a bit, and it looks like the graphics are never going to shape up
(while i'm not a graphic whore, it's hard to get immersed in something ugly after playing bf2 or hl2)
Remember kids, when you see the lava coming, duck and cover!!!
Ok HolyCirle....I don't think you understand what he's trying to get at...there are weird ppl who want games which are so hardcore they wish an MMORPG was totally based on reality...with such things as permanent death. I know of 2 games which are going to include it and I think its a real dumb idea!
I love open pvp and full looting and most of all the freedom to possibly do anything...with ofcourse a justice system included in the game which has no loop holes.
Other then that you have to stop addressing "Carebears" (thats what you call them) like they are weak fools who like easy games without challenge. They have different tastes from what we want! I like some so called "Carebear games" where its only PvE...does that make me a carebear!?!? To me it was fun because I liked joining a party where it was just all about team work...no real competition! Horizons is such a game...where its all about the community and questing and crafting....and real fun believe me. Does it make it a "carebear" game cause all they fight are MOBs?
I don't believe in carebear games!!! Every game has its own challenges....so don't make out that PvP Only games with hardcore playing features included makes it the most challenging! There are others who have also had bad experiences in Open PVP games like Old UO where the justicial system had loopholes and ppl used to take advantage of this and even camp by the corpses of their victims waiting for them to revive back to life and then kill them again. Thats unpleasant...I would find it unpleasant myself....probably would leave, swear a lot and come back in a few hours or so to play some more. We have to accept that Open PvP with full looting and all that "hardcore" stuff is not in demand as other games are.
First off, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I AM a smartass
. My post was about this high and mighty attitude some people come off with because they like a certain type of game and they think anyone else is a "pansy" or "gay" because they don't want the same thing. If you didn't get that from my first post, here is a less smart ass post to say it again.
I have nothing but repect for people in the armed forces. Unless they have this attitude that anyone who thinks different than them is "gay". People who think they are better than someone else because they like their game a certain way, or anything else in life for that matter, are a JOKE. Don't you see it's like saying I like scrambled eggs and if you like them hard boiled you are gay. It's just a choice and an opinion.
See the thing is, I like the same games you do, I just don't think I'm better than someone else who wants it to be different. That's the apparent difference between us. I was in UO from day one and I loved it and I wanted to pull my hair out when they added tramell. But I also played EQ and I enjoyed the hell out of that too.
It's the "holier than thou" attitude of some "PvP only" people that I was commenting on. If it was lost on you from my last post, I pray that it isn't now.
I am currently beta testing Irth Online, I think you would like it. It has open PvP and corpse looting and great graphics, much like the UO that we so loved before it went south. Not sure how much more I can say really as I respect the NDA and take betas very seriously. Peace.
The original poster obviously quit UO a long time ago or played a free shard. I recently quit UO because I was getting tired of fighting the same people. I played for 6-7 yrs and for the past 2 years or so I have been a member of CHAMPS on Chessapeake, some of you UO gamers may have heard of us. OSI introduced insurence some time ago and the only purpose of looting is to keep someone out of a fight. Granted some times ppl drop their stuff or have an uninsureable item. but this is few and far between.
I have been playing WOW for a couple months now and just reached 60 recetly. Though there is no looting Blizz has introduced an honor system which not only ranks you as a pvper but also allows you to purchase special items based on your rank. Aside from the Disney Land graphix PvP is pretty fun, and sure to only get better.
Zarkon !C!