not F2P that ends up costing that no. I mean $50 flat rate but the game is completely and totally fri**in stunning and everything you could ever imagine..kinda game.
This is the cost of a cell phone bill without a data plan.
No, I would not. Not because I don't think my entertainment isn't worth $50/month, or because I don't have the money for it (I do), but because I can't see how it would be worth it and how you scale content without making everything "too big".
Game design needs to focus on giving more for the players to "do" than kill and craft; if a game expanded the socialization aspect, added competitions and other areas, I would happily pay more than $15/month, but I also want to know what I am getting for my money over time.
this is kind of my entire point. We have all been playing games within a set of parameters for so long we forget that there are TONS of other ways developers can expand what a 'game' is and this is exactly what I am driving at. For something totally revoluationary that has never been done in a game before would I pay $50 a month? yes
Could a bunch of college students on lunch break come up with a ton of ideas for the gaming industry to explore?
totally
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No b/c even a perfect mmo wouldn;t be fresh enough each month to be worth the price of a new game. Devs would have to release massive patches to the game for me to consider paying that much.
I think you miss the point completely. I am suggesting that if they charged $50 a month they could hire tons more developers and have new content every single night.
3 times the revenue one would assume 3 times the content would be possible.
With 2k posts on this forum you should know it doesn't work that way. And the game would have to feel fresh. Adding 20 dungeons each week wouldn't be cool at all.
your stuck in the box and are not able to think outside of it. just because it doesnt happen doesnt mean its not possible
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There is only one kind of online game that I would ever even consider spending that kind of money on:
.Hack
Whether you liked the anime or not (I only really ever saw maybe 20-30 episodes from all of the different series) the game world in the show(s) was fairly freaking epic.
Super rare gear, what seemed to be a fairly open character structure, player-created and run organizations that could actually gain a significant amount of power both in the player community and in the actual game structure itself. A legendary-tier of power and what seemed to be a completely unique items. GMs that were constantly in the game world and maintaining different events. And, last but not least, a super-immersive game system/peripheral that seemed built JUST for the game...though maybe not quite that far.
If you had that kind of enormous game then I could maybe be convinced to pay that kind of money. There would need to be plenty of things for a player to do when they log in that doesn't really have a level-cap to it, just player skill meeting character 'strength'. A really open and important mentoring system, a super in-depth crafting system and an awesome spell and combat system.
Create -that- and I'll gladly shell out the box price of a game per month to play. A game like this would basically provide me with enough 'stuff' to equal a new game purchase every single month. I'd perfer that because new single player games that come out are garbage and most of the time I resist buying them, but every now and then I buy one and it's a gigantic piece of crap.
Just my two bits. Even if someone could staff and develop a game at this cost to players it wouldn't work because they wouldn't get enough people to play. The current 14.99/mo is probably the most anyone will ever be willing to pay monthly for a game. Really all you have to do is create a product that's worth a 15 dollar purchase every month to your players....which isn't really that hard. Whenever I see some mmos that are unable to pump out decent updates every other month I really have to wonder what is blocking them. Is it laziness? Ineptitude? Is their engine just too difficult to work with?
Originally posted by MorbidCurio There is only one kind of online game that I would ever even consider spending that kind of money on: .Hack Whether you liked the anime or not
point taken but I stoped at the word anime..you would have to pay me to play a cartoon. WITH THAT SAID, the point here is that this ultra cool game would be cool for some people but not all so clearly we would need more than one game like this...:)
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My Honda accord use to cost $20-$26 to get a full tank. On my way into work today I payed $53 for a full tank lol
People can say what they want but if it came down to it they would mostly all go against their own word. I use to say I would NEVER pay more than $30-$35 for a tank of gas but lets face it, we don't control those who control the price :-)
I'm all for analogies, but really, gas is not a luxury for many whereas gaming is. Fuel tends to be a means to acquire the funds to pay whatever amount for a persons entertainment. That or a biproduct expense enroute to entertainment. Some people probably drive 'just for fun' I guess. But yes, gas is controlled by those setting the prices whereas games; there are plenty of alternatives readily available from f2p, b2p, monthly sub, console, etc...With fuel, the alternatives take a bit more of an investiment and inconvenience to pursue in most cases.
Add to that the fact fuel is a diminishing resource (or at least refining capacity) which drives prices. Conversly, bandwidth is an expanding resource that is getting cheaper as technology matures. Reasonable computer parts are getting easier and cheaper to manufacture and there is still plenty of room for breakthroughs that will further drive down price while increasing performance. You're comparing an industry on the way out with an industry that is still on the rise for the most part (rare earth shortages not withstanding and all that).
Really though, everyone has their threshold for various categories they lump their expenses in. I would pay more for cable television (as an example) becuase all the people in my house can enjoy it concurrently so that just makes sense to me. $50 for a game though, that doesn't make sense as such a game would have to be extremely compelling and I know that would distract from other things in my life. With that in mind, the sum total cost would be greater then whatever the monthly bill is. My threshold for gaming expenses is obviously lower then some other people in this thread and that's fine by me. To each their own. Besides, there's already a pretty awesome game out there that meets just about all my requirements and cost me nothing to play: EvE. As with opinions about expenses though, I'm sure people will disagree about that game ...
EDIT: Now if the question were, should a developer make a game that is worth $50 a month, sure. They definitely should and I would love to hear about it form the people that end up playing. Hopefully they'll have occasional "buddy passes"
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
My Honda accord use to cost $20-$26 to get a full tank. On my way into work today I payed $53 for a full tank lol
People can say what they want but if it came down to it they would mostly all go against their own word. I use to say I would NEVER pay more than $30-$35 for a tank of gas but lets face it, we don't control those who control the price :-)
I'm all for analogies, but really, gas is not a luxury for many whereas gaming is. Fuel tends to be a means to acquire the funds to pay whatever amount for a persons entertainment. That or a biproduct expense enroute to entertainment. Some people probably drive 'just for fun' I guess. But yes, gas is controlled by those setting the prices whereas games; there are plenty of alternatives readily available from f2p, b2p, monthly sub, console, etc...With fuel, the alternatives take a bit more of an investiment and inconvenience to pursue in most cases.
Add to that the fact fuel is a diminishing resource (or at least refining capacity) which drives prices. Conversly, bandwidth is an expanding resource that is getting cheaper as technology matures. Reasonable computer parts are getting easier and cheaper to manufacture and there is still plenty of room for breakthroughs that will further drive down price while increasing performance. You're comparing an industry on the way out with an industry that is still on the rise for the most part (rare earth shortages not withstanding and all that).
Really though, everyone has their threshold for various categories they lump their expenses in. I would pay more for cable television (as an example) becuase all the people in my house can enjoy it concurrently so that just makes sense to me. $50 for a game though, that doesn't make sense as such a game would have to be extremely compelling and I know that would distract from other things in my life. With that in mind, the sum total cost would be greater then whatever the monthly bill is. My threshold for gaming expenses is obviously lower then some other people in this thread and that's fine by me. To each their own. Besides, there's already a pretty awesome game out there that meets just about all my requirements and cost me nothing to play: EvE. As with opinions about expenses though, I'm sure people will disagree about that game ...
EDIT: Now if the question were, should a developer make a game that is worth $50 a month, sure. They definitely should and I would love to hear about it form the people that end up playing. Hopefully they'll have occasional "buddy passes"
Ok..so what other form of entertainment can you get using $50 a month that compares to the same fun factor as games
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$50 a month is insane. With these hard economic times we are in $50 a month would mean thousands of people wouldn't play. $50 a month is just stupid.
I gladly pay $15 per month to play my MMO of choice but I would prefer a $9.99 a month fee.
What if said MMO could be 5 times better in any way you perfer than the MMO you would pay for $10 a month?
additionally, what else can you do for entertainment at these price points? 'real life fun' is WAY more expensive and I am not convinced is as fun either
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Ok..so what other form of entertainment can you get using $50 a month that compares to the same fun factor as games
Free running, sparring, LARPing, and cuddling! o.o
Ofc free running and sparring will cost more if you yknoe...end up in the hospital...
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Ok..so what other form of entertainment can you get using $50 a month that compares to the same fun factor as games
That's a completely loaded question. I could answer with "watching paint dry" and you would say that MMOs were more fun/better value. Now, regardless of how many people agree with either of us, if watching paint dry was something i thouroughly enjoyed, I would still be correct and, for you and your perspective, you would still be correct.
For me, the fun factor of an MMO doesn't add up to $50/mo worth especially when there are existing products that fulfill my requirements and cost me $0 per month. However, I understand that their are people who are willing to spend more and who feel they get sufficient value for their money. I can think of a few friends off the top of my head that already do this. I don't begrudge them their indulgences. I just don't share their enthusiasm I suppose
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Ok..so what other form of entertainment can you get using $50 a month that compares to the same fun factor as games
Free running, sparring, LARPing, and cuddling! o.o
Ofc free running and sparring will cost more if you yknoe...end up in the hospital...
I dont know what free running is but I have run before and I have gone on hasher runs when I was young. Cheaper? most likely not given the gas to get there. More fun? not really
but that is me
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not F2P that ends up costing that no. I mean $50 flat rate but the game is completely and totally fri**in stunning and everything you could ever imagine..kinda game.
This is the cost of a cell phone bill without a data plan.
I would pay up to $75 a month for an MMO that had a relatively large player base (more then 500 on at any given time) and offered the following.
Exploration centric
non linear with lots of level 100+ that took months to reach end
Playing: GW2 Waiting on: TESO Next Flop: Planetside 2 Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Ok..so what other form of entertainment can you get using $50 a month that compares to the same fun factor as games
That's a completely loaded question. I could answer with "watching paint dry" and you would say that MMOs were more fun/better value. Now, regardless of how many people agree with either of us, if watching paint dry was something i thouroughly enjoyed, I would still be correct and, for you and your perspective, you would still be correct.
For me, the fun factor of an MMO doesn't add up to $50/mo worth especially when there are existing products that fulfill my requirements and cost me $0 per month. However, I understand that their are people who are willing to spend more and who feel they get sufficient value for their money. I can think of a few friends off the top of my head that already do this. I don't begrudge them their indulgences. I just don't share their enthusiasm I suppose
a the nihilist of logic.
I dont think there are many people who would say the difference between watching paint dry and being in a constant orgasmic state of pleasure is very subjective but I have no doubt someone will find away to suggest that it is.
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I dont think there are many people who would say the difference between watching paint dry and being in a constant orgasmic state of pleasure is very subjective but I have no doubt someone will find away to suggest that it is.
"watching paint dry" was, in essence, a 'widget'. A completely random unit used ot make a point. It was an exaggeration and it isn't much different then the exaggeration used to explain the joys of MMO gaming. If it were really like that, you'd be spending more then $50 on replacement keyboards alone...
To abstract it a bit further: If I find activity "A" extremely gratifying and activity "B" less so, then activity "A" is inherently more valuable to me regarldess of the value you place on it. As a result, my threshold for expenses related to "A" will likely be higher then someone who values "B" more and vice-versa. Now that is extremely simplicstic and doesn't factor in total expendable income, comparable alternatives and pricing of, or various other unknowns, but serves to make the point hopefully...
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
not F2P that ends up costing that no. I mean $50 flat rate but the game is completely and totally fri**in stunning and everything you could ever imagine..kinda game.
This is the cost of a cell phone bill without a data plan.
I doubt I'll ever find a stunning and everything I could imagine MMO.
Would I pay $50 for an MMO? Sure...
Thing is.. what irritates me the most is lack of account action for cheaters/exploit users. Which I doubt is the case for most but this is my post.. so this is what I want to see and would pay a bit extra to see.
Its like when WAR launches and there is rampant use of a paticular 3rd party program. Its all over youtube and its pretty obvious when someone is using it... (mostly was used to exploit the Z axis, fly or self ress...) this is at launch of WAR if that wasn't clear.
Nobody was banned... well Mythic felt the need to proclaim how many people were banned for advertising a website!!! whoo yay us go team!! ... but nobody was banned for the obvious use of this 3rd party program... or at least if they were it was after I left the game.
Just like with the most recent one I can remember.. The Old Republic.
"We are aware that some individuals used an exploit that completely screwed the economies of entire servers. So we have given them warnings and we gave a temp suspension to a couple."
*pause*
"But man did we ban some accounts for advertising a webstie!!!!! Cuz that was totally ruining the game!!"
Um seriously?
I can deal with lackluster MMO's because they are pretty normal. I'm sick of this crap tho... been sick of it since the early days of DAoC and Odin's Eye users... or w/e it was called. Tho to be honest I didn't even know what people meant by "Odin's Eye" at the time... lol.. yes sad to admit... I used to think it was some place in Midgard...
but anyway...
Every time a game developer fails to take real action on people who cheat... I always wish I could simply get my money back for the game and any months I've paid for subscription.
My Honda accord use to cost $20-$26 to get a full tank. On my way into work today I payed $53 for a full tank lol
People can say what they want but if it came down to it they would mostly all go against their own word. I use to say I would NEVER pay more than $30-$35 for a tank of gas but lets face it, we don't control those who control the price :-)
Well, don't feel bad. Where I live, you pay $160 to fill up the tank of a Honda Accord. And on average we make 1/4 what you guys make, so, uh... Thing is, it's not like people are not buying gas and driving their cars - it seems when you have pretty much no solid alternative, you just pay up.
On topic, I do think a very good (not necessarily perfect) MMO is worth $50 a month. (Hey, I just told you a full tank is three times that, no? ) If it's good enough to make me sink 3 hours an evening for 5 days a week without getting bored, I think the price is absolutely justified.
After all, these days you buy a single player game, cough up $60, and end up playing it for a week.
$50 a month is insane. With these hard economic times we are in $50 a month would mean thousands of people wouldn't play. $50 a month is just stupid.
I gladly pay $15 per month to play my MMO of choice but I would prefer a $9.99 a month fee.
What if said MMO could be 5 times better in any way you perfer than the MMO you would pay for $10 a month?
additionally, what else can you do for entertainment at these price points? 'real life fun' is WAY more expensive and I am not convinced is as fun either
I wouldn't know if the game is that good because at $50 a month I'd not even look into it.
I can think of many things I do for fun that do not revolve around my PC. I game for fun sure but there comes a point when you have to go outside as well. Or even do something else in-doors.
I'm telling you right now though. As someone that is not broke I can honestly say that no matter how good a game is I would never spend $50 a month to play it. Period.
Comparing playing a video game online for $50 a month to spending more on fuel today to fill up your gas tank is idiotic. The two cannot be compared. One is a luxury and one is a necessity.
There is NO way I am going to pay for a game, then pay for the privilage of playing it. There is no game that is that good and never will be.
This is just ignorant.
P2P games aren't sub based for the PRIVILAGE. They have to pay for the servers, maintenance, staff, content, etc.. You're paying so the game continues to make money so they can continue their business to keep the game going.
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am also entitled to mine so read this garbage.
Not our fault they are the ones running the servers. Plenty of people have i7 six cores, 12 gb of ram, 4 tb hard drives, ssd, verizon fios lines, and easily better knowledge to run a server than they do. That is plenty to run a decent server in fact I imagine that is what most minecraft server admins are doing. Please grace your presence with more mouth vomit. I would go out on a limb and say it's not to keep the game going it's to keep their precious IP growing to increasing popularity for future remakes, sequels, the genesis of new IP ideas brought to fruition, and money. In fact it really isn't a game at all, but a glorified commercial advertisment to keep your eyes focused in their direction for whatever trash they throw at you while you're paying over time to play it. You are a shmuck in other words.
There is NO way I am going to pay for a game, then pay for the privilage of playing it. There is no game that is that good and never will be.
This is just ignorant.
P2P games aren't sub based for the PRIVILAGE. They have to pay for the servers, maintenance, staff, content, etc.. You're paying so the game continues to make money so they can continue their business to keep the game going.
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am also entitled to mine so read this garbage.
Not our fault they are the ones running the servers. Plenty of people have i7 six cores, 12 gb of ram, 4 tb hard drives, ssd, verizon fios lines, and easily better knowledge to run a server than they do. That is plenty to run a decent server in fact I imagine that is what most minecraft server admins are doing. Please grace your presence with more mouth vomit. I would go out on a limb and say it's not to keep the game going it's to keep their precious IP growing to increasing popularity for future remakes, sequels, the genesis of new IP ideas brought to fruition, and money. In fact it really isn't a game at all, but a glorified commercial advertisment to keep your eyes focused in their direction for whatever trash they throw at you while you're paying over time play it. You are a shmuck in other words.
Well sure they can make it so anyone can host a server but then hacking will be loads worse. At least MMO servers have tight control over what is happening on the game server and keeping things fair. There are costs involved to run these servers and continue to improve the game as well as add new content. This all comes at a cost and there are thousands of people (myself included) that will gladly pay a fair price per month for this service. The standard is $14.99 and with inflation I can see that increasing over the years but thats how everything is. The cost of living keeps climbing. Not much can be done about it.
So many suckers in this thread just begging to be fleeced.
Hell no.
I wouldn't pay $50 a month to play any game, mmo or otherwise.
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Originally posted by eyeswideopen So many suckers in this thread just begging to be fleeced. Hell no. I wouldn't pay $50 a month to play any game, mmo or otherwise.
Actually that's a great observation.
Bobby Kotick is pleased.
Look at him; some of us call him a scum sucking piece of crap. Others call him a genius.
I think he's both because he can find these suckers every minute. Paying to track Call of Duty stats.............. How can I get in on fleecing these idiots?
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
Absolutely no way I would pay that. I have better things to spend money on than a game that would cost that much monthly. I also don't own a cell phone nor cable or satellite tv and don't plan to so, shrug. It wouldn't matter how good the game was, I can find equal enjoyment elsewhere.
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this is kind of my entire point. We have all been playing games within a set of parameters for so long we forget that there are TONS of other ways developers can expand what a 'game' is and this is exactly what I am driving at. For something totally revoluationary that has never been done in a game before would I pay $50 a month? yes
Could a bunch of college students on lunch break come up with a ton of ideas for the gaming industry to explore?
totally
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your stuck in the box and are not able to think outside of it. just because it doesnt happen doesnt mean its not possible
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There is only one kind of online game that I would ever even consider spending that kind of money on:
.Hack
Whether you liked the anime or not (I only really ever saw maybe 20-30 episodes from all of the different series) the game world in the show(s) was fairly freaking epic.
Super rare gear, what seemed to be a fairly open character structure, player-created and run organizations that could actually gain a significant amount of power both in the player community and in the actual game structure itself. A legendary-tier of power and what seemed to be a completely unique items. GMs that were constantly in the game world and maintaining different events. And, last but not least, a super-immersive game system/peripheral that seemed built JUST for the game...though maybe not quite that far.
If you had that kind of enormous game then I could maybe be convinced to pay that kind of money. There would need to be plenty of things for a player to do when they log in that doesn't really have a level-cap to it, just player skill meeting character 'strength'. A really open and important mentoring system, a super in-depth crafting system and an awesome spell and combat system.
Create -that- and I'll gladly shell out the box price of a game per month to play. A game like this would basically provide me with enough 'stuff' to equal a new game purchase every single month. I'd perfer that because new single player games that come out are garbage and most of the time I resist buying them, but every now and then I buy one and it's a gigantic piece of crap.
Just my two bits. Even if someone could staff and develop a game at this cost to players it wouldn't work because they wouldn't get enough people to play. The current 14.99/mo is probably the most anyone will ever be willing to pay monthly for a game. Really all you have to do is create a product that's worth a 15 dollar purchase every month to your players....which isn't really that hard. Whenever I see some mmos that are unable to pump out decent updates every other month I really have to wonder what is blocking them. Is it laziness? Ineptitude? Is their engine just too difficult to work with?
point taken but I stoped at the word anime..you would have to pay me to play a cartoon. WITH THAT SAID, the point here is that this ultra cool game would be cool for some people but not all so clearly we would need more than one game like this...:)
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I'm all for analogies, but really, gas is not a luxury for many whereas gaming is. Fuel tends to be a means to acquire the funds to pay whatever amount for a persons entertainment. That or a biproduct expense enroute to entertainment. Some people probably drive 'just for fun' I guess. But yes, gas is controlled by those setting the prices whereas games; there are plenty of alternatives readily available from f2p, b2p, monthly sub, console, etc...With fuel, the alternatives take a bit more of an investiment and inconvenience to pursue in most cases.
Add to that the fact fuel is a diminishing resource (or at least refining capacity) which drives prices. Conversly, bandwidth is an expanding resource that is getting cheaper as technology matures. Reasonable computer parts are getting easier and cheaper to manufacture and there is still plenty of room for breakthroughs that will further drive down price while increasing performance. You're comparing an industry on the way out with an industry that is still on the rise for the most part (rare earth shortages not withstanding and all that).
Really though, everyone has their threshold for various categories they lump their expenses in. I would pay more for cable television (as an example) becuase all the people in my house can enjoy it concurrently so that just makes sense to me. $50 for a game though, that doesn't make sense as such a game would have to be extremely compelling and I know that would distract from other things in my life. With that in mind, the sum total cost would be greater then whatever the monthly bill is. My threshold for gaming expenses is obviously lower then some other people in this thread and that's fine by me. To each their own. Besides, there's already a pretty awesome game out there that meets just about all my requirements and cost me nothing to play: EvE. As with opinions about expenses though, I'm sure people will disagree about that game
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EDIT: Now if the question were, should a developer make a game that is worth $50 a month, sure. They definitely should and I would love to hear about it form the people that end up playing. Hopefully they'll have occasional "buddy passes"
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Rightnow (with work and wife) : no
If I would be unemployed or on pension: yes
Ok..so what other form of entertainment can you get using $50 a month that compares to the same fun factor as games
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would never ever pay $50 a month to play a game. i still believe $15/month is a little steep.
$50 a month is insane. With these hard economic times we are in $50 a month would mean thousands of people wouldn't play. $50 a month is just stupid.
I gladly pay $15 per month to play my MMO of choice but I would prefer a $9.99 a month fee.
What if said MMO could be 5 times better in any way you perfer than the MMO you would pay for $10 a month?
additionally, what else can you do for entertainment at these price points? 'real life fun' is WAY more expensive and I am not convinced is as fun either
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Free running, sparring, LARPing, and cuddling! o.o
Ofc free running and sparring will cost more if you yknoe...end up in the hospital...
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That's a completely loaded question. I could answer with "watching paint dry" and you would say that MMOs were more fun/better value. Now, regardless of how many people agree with either of us, if watching paint dry was something i thouroughly enjoyed, I would still be correct and, for you and your perspective, you would still be correct.
For me, the fun factor of an MMO doesn't add up to $50/mo worth especially when there are existing products that fulfill my requirements and cost me $0 per month. However, I understand that their are people who are willing to spend more and who feel they get sufficient value for their money. I can think of a few friends off the top of my head that already do this. I don't begrudge them their indulgences. I just don't share their enthusiasm I suppose
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I dont know what free running is but I have run before and I have gone on hasher runs when I was young. Cheaper? most likely not given the gas to get there. More fun? not really
but that is me
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I would pay up to $75 a month for an MMO that had a relatively large player base (more then 500 on at any given time) and offered the following.
Exploration centric
non linear with lots of level 100+ that took months to reach end
open ended dungeons
diablo/asherons call styled loot system
skill based similar to asherons call
no raiding, no FFA PvP
PvE group centered
non instanced
Everything you need to know about Elder Scrolls Online
Playing: GW2
Waiting on: TESO
Next Flop: Planetside 2
Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
a the nihilist of logic.
I dont think there are many people who would say the difference between watching paint dry and being in a constant orgasmic state of pleasure is very subjective but I have no doubt someone will find away to suggest that it is.
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"watching paint dry" was, in essence, a 'widget'. A completely random unit used ot make a point. It was an exaggeration and it isn't much different then the exaggeration used to explain the joys of MMO gaming. If it were really like that, you'd be spending more then $50 on replacement keyboards alone...
To abstract it a bit further: If I find activity "A" extremely gratifying and activity "B" less so, then activity "A" is inherently more valuable to me regarldess of the value you place on it. As a result, my threshold for expenses related to "A" will likely be higher then someone who values "B" more and vice-versa. Now that is extremely simplicstic and doesn't factor in total expendable income, comparable alternatives and pricing of, or various other unknowns, but serves to make the point hopefully...
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I doubt I'll ever find a stunning and everything I could imagine MMO.
Would I pay $50 for an MMO? Sure...
Thing is.. what irritates me the most is lack of account action for cheaters/exploit users. Which I doubt is the case for most but this is my post.. so this is what I want to see and would pay a bit extra to see.
Its like when WAR launches and there is rampant use of a paticular 3rd party program. Its all over youtube and its pretty obvious when someone is using it... (mostly was used to exploit the Z axis, fly or self ress...) this is at launch of WAR if that wasn't clear.
Nobody was banned... well Mythic felt the need to proclaim how many people were banned for advertising a website!!! whoo yay us go team!! ... but nobody was banned for the obvious use of this 3rd party program... or at least if they were it was after I left the game.
Just like with the most recent one I can remember.. The Old Republic.
"We are aware that some individuals used an exploit that completely screwed the economies of entire servers. So we have given them warnings and we gave a temp suspension to a couple."
*pause*
"But man did we ban some accounts for advertising a webstie!!!!! Cuz that was totally ruining the game!!"
Um seriously?
I can deal with lackluster MMO's because they are pretty normal. I'm sick of this crap tho... been sick of it since the early days of DAoC and Odin's Eye users... or w/e it was called. Tho to be honest I didn't even know what people meant by "Odin's Eye" at the time... lol.. yes sad to admit... I used to think it was some place in Midgard...
but anyway...
Every time a game developer fails to take real action on people who cheat... I always wish I could simply get my money back for the game and any months I've paid for subscription.
It really depends on the game. Certainly would not spend that on any themepark game.
I would have to be a really good game if you ask me. Definitely skill based with everything made by the crafters.
Well, don't feel bad. Where I live, you pay $160 to fill up the tank of a Honda Accord. And on average we make 1/4 what you guys make, so, uh...
Thing is, it's not like people are not buying gas and driving their cars - it seems when you have pretty much no solid alternative, you just pay up.
On topic, I do think a very good (not necessarily perfect) MMO is worth $50 a month. (Hey, I just told you a full tank is three times that, no?
) If it's good enough to make me sink 3 hours an evening for 5 days a week without getting bored, I think the price is absolutely justified.
After all, these days you buy a single player game, cough up $60, and end up playing it for a week.
I wouldn't know if the game is that good because at $50 a month I'd not even look into it.
I can think of many things I do for fun that do not revolve around my PC. I game for fun sure but there comes a point when you have to go outside as well. Or even do something else in-doors.
I'm telling you right now though. As someone that is not broke I can honestly say that no matter how good a game is I would never spend $50 a month to play it. Period.
Comparing playing a video game online for $50 a month to spending more on fuel today to fill up your gas tank is idiotic. The two cannot be compared. One is a luxury and one is a necessity.
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am also entitled to mine so read this garbage.
Not our fault they are the ones running the servers. Plenty of people have i7 six cores, 12 gb of ram, 4 tb hard drives, ssd, verizon fios lines, and easily better knowledge to run a server than they do. That is plenty to run a decent server in fact I imagine that is what most minecraft server admins are doing. Please grace your presence with more mouth vomit. I would go out on a limb and say it's not to keep the game going it's to keep their precious IP growing to increasing popularity for future remakes, sequels, the genesis of new IP ideas brought to fruition, and money. In fact it really isn't a game at all, but a glorified commercial advertisment to keep your eyes focused in their direction for whatever trash they throw at you while you're paying over time to play it. You are a shmuck in other words.
Well sure they can make it so anyone can host a server but then hacking will be loads worse. At least MMO servers have tight control over what is happening on the game server and keeping things fair. There are costs involved to run these servers and continue to improve the game as well as add new content. This all comes at a cost and there are thousands of people (myself included) that will gladly pay a fair price per month for this service. The standard is $14.99 and with inflation I can see that increasing over the years but thats how everything is. The cost of living keeps climbing. Not much can be done about it.
So many suckers in this thread just begging to be fleeced.
Hell no.
I wouldn't pay $50 a month to play any game, mmo or otherwise.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Actually that's a great observation.
Bobby Kotick is pleased.
Look at him; some of us call him a scum sucking piece of crap. Others call him a genius.
I think he's both because he can find these suckers every minute.
Paying to track Call of Duty stats.............. How can I get in on fleecing these idiots?
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
Absolutely no way I would pay that. I have better things to spend money on than a game that would cost that much monthly. I also don't own a cell phone nor cable or satellite tv and don't plan to so, shrug. It wouldn't matter how good the game was, I can find equal enjoyment elsewhere.