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Guild Wars 2 is less P2W than the first game
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LMAO, you are going for D3 which will have full blown Real Money Trading??!! And you think that is better than GW2 cash shop??? Prepare to be introduced to real-world P2W.
So uniformed or ignorant or blinded.... either way the result is the same.
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Sorry for making it appear that way, but I was just refuting the point made that GW1 didn't have anything that made you better where as GW2 does? Neither Guild Wars 1, nor Guild Wars 2 offer competetive advantages for money spent in the cash shop to any notable degree, but you can pose a stronger argument for GW1 fitting that category than you can GW2. Which is why it's strange that the forums have blown up with posts about GW2 because P2W.
They're not even trying to be sly about it either :P That was a straight faced anouncement.
As far as buying better weapons and gear, again, this is a horizontal progression game. What makes gear "better" is the skin or cosmetics of it, and that's about as much Pay 2 Win as having cosmetic items in the cash shop is. Which they do... Max stat gear for any level in question can be obtained very easily, so the only way to get gear that another player cannot match in statistical value is to be a higher level than them, which is inherently unbalanced and moot if both players have reached max.
However, there is some possibility of gem/gold transferring having an adverse impact on the way the game wide economy functions. I've never been heavily involved in the economies of any game as of yet, so someone else would need to explain to me the potential dangers of this, but as far as I understand it, similar systems have worked in other games before that have very large and robust economies.
An in depth look into the economic system of Guild Wars 2
/argument over
hah! I bought the $10 quest pack... and never did them >.< oh well money for them I think they deserved.
They were pretty bad. I lol when I see a kid rolling up with the special items.
Then I turn so that my cape trim is facing them, and type /rank.
By Balthazar's blade are you missing out on a lot of awesome lore pieces! You should've did them just to experience the stories. They were flippin' awesome!
FYI D3 probably will disappoint you. It has about 2-3 weeks worth of gameplay and nothing more. The other thing is the items in question DROP IN GAME... I believe it was said a 10% drop rate out of the chests that the keys DROP IN GAME. Ppl are silly and panic over nothing >.<.. at least find out information before you panic.
Also what exactly do you think is in the store that differs from "B2P, Abandons the holy trinity and great art"?(Edit: Serelisk beat me to commenting on this but I will leave it in.)
heh I probably will eventually but I burnt myself out playing like a mad woman to get as much points as I could. Ended up with 33 and I will prolly go back eventually, I still log in to help others and run The Deep if Im needed.
As of right now the cash shop is not that bad. We will see where it goes in the future. I inherently hate cash shop doe to the fact they you need to gut the game in some degree in order to accomadate them. A game is always a lesser game with them then with out. Hopefully not paying 15 dollars a month is worth the small gutting arenanet has done.
Another problem with Cash shop is the profit aspect in how much they can nickel and dime you. Right now it is not so bad, but what if Ncsoft wants to increase profits? they have the right to preasure NCsoft to change the cash shop.
As much as i hate it and the lurking evils it brings I agree GW2 needs to go the F2p route they went. gw1 was free to play and its a tradition that needs to continue.
Guild Wars 2 has almost the exact same business model as Guild Wars 1. Buy to play, paid expansion, and a cash shop with predominantly non-gameplay affecting items.
I really don't get people who cry about the experience boost packs... Guys, this exists in wow and did for a very long time. People simply bought another cheap copy of wow classic and got a crazy boost to experience gain up until level 60 (and later 70, afair)...
I personally know lots of people who did this and I'm sure that Blizzard pretty much knew and hoped for this to happen. Anet are simply straight about this.
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I've yet to see what item or boost would make someone "win". Win at what?
I don't see how boosts are a problem. No one is winning over me, just because they are getting more experience and leveling faster. I will reach that level eventually and then we'll have the same amount of stats, or atleast we will both have the opportunity to have the same amount of stats.
If time was a statistical advantage then one could argue that no game is balanced in this respect, since people tend to play different amounts of time.
If there's nothing that gives you a statistical advantage, then how can it be considered P2W? As I see it, from the leaked examples from the beta, there is nothing in the shop that can be used to win over anyone else.
The only thing that made me slightly troubled was the one thing I've yet seen anyone talk about. The key.
I'm afraid that GW2 will follow in the footsteps of TF2, reffering to the Mann-Co crates.
I'm suspecting that the keys are the only way to open chests that can be aquired around the world, and the only way of opening them is by buying a key from the cash shop.
I dislike this kind of system, since I feel that it gets in the way of the game and rubs it in your face.
I suppose I could quite easily ignore the chests that I hypothetically have found, but if after some time playing, my inventory or bank is filled with locked chests, I would become quite "urked".
I would like a cash shop that sells stuff without making an impact on anyone else in the world. This is not P2W though, just something I would like to avoid seeing in the game.
This is flat out not true, the game shops are hugely different. Exp gains, Karma gains, special keys, loot bags, craftin gains, inventory slots ect. ect.. To Arenanets credit these all seem to be done moderately but these are cash shop items.
Completely agree with your point of view, in GW1 the pvp skill pack was a clear advantage yet was not enough "for me" to call it a pay to win thing, concerning GW2 i totally agree with you again seems that "for now" it lacks of weak points, still... haters always are going to rage and all that but well, who cares. Nice article buddy.
My statement still stands, those minor aspects of the cash shop are hardly worth noting. In my opinion at least. I'll have to see about the special key/chest thing, but otherwise, cosmetic items, expansions, and utilities like character slots, remodels, and bank space will be the largest sources of Arena Net's revenue from the cash shop. Boosts to Karma, experience, and crafting seem to me like they'll have minimal effect on the game.
I'm confused by what you meant in your original post. Guild Wars 2 should go free to play because Guild Wars 1 was free to play, even though GW1 was never F2P?
Both games are and should remain buy to play in my opinion.
There is nothing in the CS that someone else can buy that keeps anyone from experiencing the full potential of any part of the game.
hahaha, brilliant
What?????
You don't like the cash shop in GW2 but you are quite happy playing a game with substantially less content, will probably cost just as much as well. It also includes the added bonus of being able to purchase pretty much anything in game with RL money?
This makes no sense at all.
Why even a Shop... Arena-Net doesnt need any monthly-income besides the millions or trillions of dollars they will make from GW2. And besides that, how many other games do they have active? How many other MMOs? ...
Greed is a bitch, and so is (insert name of publisher or even a developer-name here).
I don't know but imo they just didn't managed this phase very well, they kind of made a last second announcement just before the test phase which clearly raise a lot of question as the numerous and enormous threads showed. Enforced their DNA because of the cash shop (it seam at least), when they should have done exactly the opposite in my opinion. They should have been totally transparent and open about this critical phase, they should maybe have tested it during the open beta so to have the most feedback possible, and a really open and constructive (because you have good and real info and not made up statements) discussion about it. As it stand now it just seam like they are hiding something about it, and it just deter the whole affair.
Now they seam to tweak some of the critical items, like repair kits that can't be used in dungeon anymore as some leaks are claiming, that prove they are really good intentioned, but imo why hide this behind a DNA?
They could also make a page in their web site explaining each items influence in the game, pve and pvp wise with the connection it have into gameplay, so that everyone can understand they truly aren't "evil" items. But i guess they have to finalize them before.
They said they can make money without monthly subs right . Why the shop then ? Just b2p was suppose to be enough with the expansions. I don't care will buy this game in all probability was just wondering why they have a shop at all.
They have ONE other game. One other mmo. Its called Guild Wars 1.
Which I cant think of that first one doing too well or even really existing after the sequel comes out. Im pretty sure most GW1 players will flock to GW2. Leaving the first game with a population of something like 12 people.
I think they'd need to have a shop personally, but a big fat cash shop is not something Im a fan of admittedly. It was known GW2 was going to have a cash shop all along and this really isnt new information. Just the gem system associated with it is. But the shop, from the leak that was put up on the net, was far weirder than I was expecting. For some reason I expected something small. Its already looking bigger than I thought it would be, and its not even out yet.