Not sure what WoW you play but leveling in WoW is also way too easy... and then you hit top end and there is little to do after a month. WoW is boring after a couple months of gameplay... almost anyone who has played it for any period of time will atest to that.
Oh and there is no RP hardly in WoW or L2... they are MMO's more than they are RPG's. It's hard to find ANY game that is about ROLE PLAYING these days. Wow sure doesnt have it.
Originally posted by BigQEd Not sure what WoW you play but leveling in WoW is also way too easy... and then you hit top end and there is little to do after a month. WoW is boring after a couple months of gameplay... almost anyone who has played it for any period of time will atest to that. Oh and there is no RP hardly in WoW or L2... they are MMO's more than they are RPG's. It's hard to find ANY game that is about ROLE PLAYING these days. Wow sure doesnt have it.
I have to say wow has much more roleplay then Lineage 2. Best roleplay events I have seen and attended to were not even in one of those 2 games but was in SWG. If you play the games just to max out your character then I can assume that most games get boring after a few months. I love to put in my own fun by roleplay and not just play the character to reach the next level, that is unimportant for me. Also at this point I have made my mind up and Lineage 2 will see no more after my subscription runs out in september. I'm then returning to WoW and Eve Online.
Perhaps I'll pick up an upcomming project and follow that one as well. Don't understand me wrong, Lineage 2 is a great game, I like the PvP settup it has. But the game turns around gaining level after level after level. That isn't mine genre of game. I love to jump into a game for a few hours and ammuse myself instead of concerning myself about levels and xp. And that feeling I can't find nor create in Lineage 2.
"If all magic fails, rely on three feet of steel and a strong arm"
I like wow and I am still playing it but it has something missing that you can probably find only with L2 : complete freedom!!
L2 has many problems but the exciting thing is that u can do whatever u want (trade skills just for dwarves are crap tough!!) with your char. There is a spammer that u hate...find it and kill him...if you can!!!
In wow u can just ignore him or duel him....no big deal!!
Lieage 2 is a tough, cruel game with a mercyless economy: u could get kill at any time, u can kill others at any time. Joining a clan is a major moment not just a normal harmles choice, joining a clan could mean power, fame, money. There are wars, alliances, politic, betrayals. All this makes a very complex but extremly rewarding mmorpg.
Obviously these features aren't for everybody as much as the awful grinding is potentialy very stressful.
All this to say that L2 and Wow are different games probably for different people and I reckon that a player who love L2 could adapt to wow but I definetly think that it couldn' work the other way round: L2 is simply too hard!
Originally posted by ZpArTaN Dude WoW is the top mmorpg right now and L2 hasnet even staked up to top 3.
It does not matter what is rated on a website it is what the "gamer" wants not the rest of the community, now if you going to give him your opinion then do so, don't start trolling about WoW. Oh look WoW is the best if you dont play it you suck...ect.. it gets annoying
Originally posted by madazz Actually its.. 1)WoW2)Eve Online3)City of Heroes I had to scroll down some to find Lineage 2. Nice try though. (btw, the date you posted this it was pretty well much the same, I do not understand alot of the community here. did you really think you can make a statement like that when someone can click Game list at the top and see the ratings? HECK ITS ON THE HOME PAGE!!)
On other websites based on how many players play, it's not even in the top 5.
Originally posted by BigQEd Yes Lineage2 is challenging. However, the rewards are greater than WoW. CASTLES AND SIEGES!!! WoW doesnt have them... won't and can't. Lineag2's top end is so much more... Level 75 then Sub-Class to 75 again! Castles and Sieges!!!!
good for you that you like to grind grind grind and kill bunnies over and over and over and over again. The open PvP is nice as well as the sieges. It is a nice game but the grind is to much and the roleplay to less for me. And for complete freedom I still have Eve Online, there you can even build your own controlled buildings and aren't stuck to fixed castles. I'll keep an eye out on other games but when my subscriptions run out it is out for the game as well.
Only eve online and guild wars will be there to enjoy myself together with some single player games. Untill something new comes out and I'll try that one out. At this time I'm putting my eye on a few new projects.
"If all magic fails, rely on three feet of steel and a strong arm"
After having played both for a while now and taking things into consideration. We can't compare these two games. They've so much in common, yet so different.
Everything in L2 has been designed for hard core long time investing players. You want to make your name ingame? Then L2 is for you. I believe we can compare it to EVE.
Wow is designed for the casual gamer. Still it's a RPG, but it's the kinda game that you hop in for a few hours after work to clean a dungeon with your friends or for some fast paced CTF.
Both can be real fun and exciting, they're just aiming two totally different customers.
There is no comparison. WoW is a short term game for folks with A.D.D.
L2 requires plans, thought and work to make it to the top. It is a game that challenges people... some people do not enjoy challenges (laziness, short attention spans and so forth). That is understandable.
However, at the top end L2 rewards much more than WoW. So the challenge doesnt leave you flat... like the end game in WoW.
Sorry WoW gets a big thumbs down... while Lineage2 is a big
P.S. The ONLY reason WoW has had success is due to marketing. They spent more than any other game in history in advertising.
I dont get it, why would anyone call grind-game a hardcore or a difficult game? Difficult means how much skill you gotta use in order to achieve a task. I played L2 in beta and after release, i didnt get far becuase L2 is about grind and L2 is not difficult. Yes, its timeconsuming but its not difficult. WoW is actualy more difficult then L2 because in WoW, you can realy show off your skill. Ill give uan example, there is a dungeon called The Deadmines, a level 20-25 dungeon. There was an argument among some folks who said that only a level 40+ character could solo that dungeon. I know its not true becuase I soloed it with me level 35 rogue. So, this means that my skills with my rogue are at least higher then average, becuase others cant solo that dungeon at 30 but only at 40.
L2 doesnt have that much content, not that many skills. Few skills - very little options and thus very little tactics you can use in order to achieve your task. Its almost like EQ, mindless grinding and repeated fighting. I havent gotten to the high end game, and it may be glorious (as it shoulds from others) but it doesnt make the game great if you gotta go through tedious part in order to get the good part. Once again, time investedx10 doesnt mean the game is 10x more difficult.
Just another example, at level 47, my rogue had approx 40 skills/potions/items I could use to affect combat. Anything from regular combat skills to bombs that would stun, do dmg, trinkets that would shrink, dmg, stun, root, turn into other critters and other effects. What can you say about L2? How many skills/trinkets or tools can i use in combat situation?that many?
This is my opinion, if you disagree with my opinion, then fine, but dont go calling WoW childish just because your game takes 10x time to achieve anything. WoW is not for kids, in fact, L2 is more for kids becuase kids learn from repetative actions, and we got plenty of that in L2.
Hardly, and if you havent played L2 since C3 (let alone C1 and C2) then you havent played L2.
Again, WoW has nothing to fight for at the top end. L2 your clan/alliance can fight for ownership of many different castles. The battles are HUGE (have seen as many as 500+ at castles sieges on Kain) and tactics are not simple... in fact with so many fighting and the way you need to take castles the tactics need to be very organized and thought out.
WoW doesnt come close to comparing. It's a childs game with cartoony graphics and easy leveling.
You might like the farmers in lineage2 You might like to easily grind for hours at a time You might be BigQed , a stupid flamer who likes to pick on some people because they enjoy other games
Originally posted by Dremir if you wanna play more, grind more, cry more and have ALOT of fun trying to take over castles, doing politics ect L2 is better, L2 is scarry though cause you have to be SO dedicated to be able to get into it, even if you don't intend to you will after lvl 30...
So true.
Like any MMOs with depth, L2 is tough to break into. But once you do, prepare for it to suck the RL out of you. ^.^
Anyone that points out only the grind and the farmers have definitely not played L2 enough to 'get' it. Play it for the PvP and the politics. that's what's at the core of L2.
Originally posted by Sputniik Originally posted by Dremir if you wanna play more, grind more, cry more and have ALOT of fun trying to take over castles, doing politics ect L2 is better, L2 is scarry though cause you have to be SO dedicated to be able to get into it, even if you don't intend to you will after lvl 30... So true. Like any MMOs with depth, L2 is tough to break into. But once you do, prepare for it to suck the RL out of you. ^.^ Anyone that points out only the grind and the farmers have definitely not played L2 enough to 'get' it. Play it for the PvP and the politics. that's what's at the core of L2.
Same goes for so many other games.
"If all magic fails, rely on three feet of steel and a strong arm"
Originally posted by battleaxe22 You might be BigQed , a stupid flamer who likes to pick on some people because they enjoy other games
hmmm... last I check I was a Gladiator. No farmer profession in L2... sorry.
Maybe WoW has added the farmer profession... I mean heck it would go well with some of the other useless professions in WoW that add no content and add nothing towards top end.
Originally posted by Bhazir Same goes for so many other games.
^^ Which is why people get so defensive about the MMOs they play.
I'm a bit of an MMO hopper.. I've played pretty much every well-known to somewhat-well-known MMO out there. Anarchy Online and Lineage 2 were the two I found most difficult to get into but the most rewarding in the end. (Shame AO graphics are outdated now )
Haha, I find when people argue on the internet about why their game is better it is funny...we all have opinions I guess. I will give you my opinions now:
First about WoW: 1.) Good for the first time MMO player 2.) Good for people who like Warcraft and Blizzard Games (fans) 3.) Good for a more causual gamer
Second Lineage 2: 1.) Good for a new MMO player, and a seasoned one (I never played an MMO before L2, and I still love it) 2.) Good for people that like PvP, or are not afraid of some guy comming up and killing you 3.) People that like large scale battles 4.) People that love Great Grapics, and an anime (hip-hop) kind of flare!
Now why the games aren't good for some:
WoW: 1.) Cartoon graphics (Many dislike) 2.) Not real open PvP unless you are on a PvP server, and still it isn't like L2 openess. 3.) Probally will have to pay for a large expansion in a few more months, along with the monthly fee. 4.) Very Easy!! (Noob friendly) ::This always isn't a bad thing, but many people want more:: 5.) Quest Driven (while many like, many like more freedom in their gaming exp) 6.) Instances
L2: 1.) If you like WoW's style of graphics you may not like L2's (I would find this hard to belive though) 2.) Grind Driven (Sometimes gets boring esspecially without friends, but also leaves the game VERY open) 3.) Centered around PvP, Wars, and Seiges. 4.) Free expansions. You pay about $50-60 dollars in the time before a new expansion, which is almost like a game with no monthly fee, but you have to pay for expansions. 5.) Difficult...definately more hardcore...but definately more rewarding! 6.) No instances, a seamless world!
These are the simple differences between these games. I have played both WoW and L2. I got bored of WoW very quickly and went back to L2! L2 is a game where you need a lot of friends and a good clan (dosn't always mean high lvl) to generally have fun. WoW you can solo, almost all the way through the game.
I really enjoy the seemless world in L2. And when I make my next level it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, unlike WoW...where levels just happend.
IMO, I also enjoyed L2's community A LOT more! This could just be me, but WoW seemed immature...and not many people to hang out with. Everyone is just running around doing their quests, and it seems more antisocial.
In the end, you can't really compair these games. They are almost designed for two different kinds of players. Actually I also wasn't too impressed with WoW, because most of the Quests were grind quests, but it didn't seem like it because you level soo fast!
Now for a quick lesson on Bots and Farmers!
EVERY GAME HAS THEM BRO! HELL, LOOK AT THE IGE BANNER ON THIS VERY WEBSITE....EVERY MMO YOU CAN BUY CURRENCY. I get sick and tired of people always saying that L2 has so many bots and farmers. The truth is all MMO's do, but except in L2 they are easier to spot (Which IMO is good). So all those WoW players that say L2 has soo many bots, well so dose your game...you just can't see it so obviously. Hell, my first day I played WoW, some guys were talking in General chat about how much buying gold costs!!!
WoW, has a lot of players, but many of those players will get tired of WoW and they will find other MMO's maybe even L2! WoW has had more marketing, and because it is Blizzard it draws a lot of people. If anything, I thank WoW for bringing more players to Lineage 2. They get new players into MMOs and then those players find other MMOs. I know 5 people that within the last 2 months came from WoW to L2 and are loving it!
L2 can't vs WoW. Anyway if it was a 1v1 compition L2 would kick it's ass because it is a PvP game...lol!
Originally posted by BigQEd Hardly, and if you havent played L2 since C3 (let alone C1 and C2) then you havent played L2. Again, WoW has nothing to fight for at the top end. L2 your clan/alliance can fight for ownership of many different castles. The battles are HUGE (have seen as many as 500+ at castles sieges on Kain) and tactics are not simple... in fact with so many fighting and the way you need to take castles the tactics need to be very organized and thought out. WoW doesnt come close to comparing. It's a childs game with cartoony graphics and easy leveling.
U r right about one thing, WoW has nothing to fight for at top level, nothing tangible at least like castles and stuff. But you still havent asnwered my question, how many skills a top level L2 player has? How "skillful" do you have to be in order to win? Do you just turn autoattack and occasiaonaly push a button or two while reading the book? The whole thing that got me going was not the high end content, L2 seems to have a better edge on that, but rather comments like "childrens" game and sort.
Easy game to me seems like a game where you just turn on your autoattack, and go to bathroom. In WoW, u got TONS of skills, you cant go to bathroom, u cant just turn autoattack and watch the fight. U gotta make choices between 20-30 or 40 skills to use. If you use the wrong one, or dont use the right one the fight can go very badly. Thats what im talking about, and not the high end content.
Ok to answer the question about being able to win with an auto attack, and then go read a book or go to the bathroom, NO WAY, unless you want to end up dead!!! L2 isn't just auto attacks. Especially in groups! Let me go more in depth about this. I play a mage in L2! When I am pvping it is very intense, and it matters a lot what skills I use. I have to know when to sleep, use ice bolt to slow people down, curse them, what combinations of nukes will do the most damage within the least amount of time. I have played both WoW and Lineage 2, and I find the fighting systems almost the same, except in WoW you have to keep staring at your characters ass, because if you move the camera angle you look away and can't attack your opponient. In WoW this may be ok, but thank god this isn't in L2. In L2 I really love the 360 degree area a view that you have so you can keep looking around you if need be to watch out for alliance members that may be trying to help your foe.
Yep, it is true that almost every class that is the same as your class will have the same skills. For example though, I am going to be a spellsinger. I get my unicorns even though I won't use em, but I don't get the servitor buffs because I don't use em that much. Some people might get the buffs, some people don't...some people get all their skills some don't! You can further customize your character with Tatoos that change their attubutes and so on, along with gear that you choose!
WoW IMO really has no high level content, so pretty much you work for nothing. But then again..in WoW you really don't work for anything you do anyway! No offense to all the Blizzard Fan Boys out there.
People that think L2 just has an auto attack feature are playing the game wrong and backwards, or have never played it. If you don't pay attention to what you are doing, you are dead! Once I pvped a same level clannie, that was almost like my exact twin. Same level, gear, class, but just looked a little different. I beat him! I beat him by a lot because he didn't know what he was doing. He thought he could just target me, and continue nuking...haha...he died!
Truthfully, this game is totally underated because it has bad reviews (that are 90% beta or C1), but this game has changed a lot. Now it is in C3, and that is how I feel it should have been released. Do you really think that people that put that much detail into their graphics wouldn't think about game mechanics. Some things are Wack, shure...but every MMO has their wack things... Overall I think this game should be way up there, next to WoW, if not even above it!
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Not sure what WoW you play but leveling in WoW is also way too easy... and then you hit top end and there is little to do after a month. WoW is boring after a couple months of gameplay... almost anyone who has played it for any period of time will atest to that.
Oh and there is no RP hardly in WoW or L2... they are MMO's more than they are RPG's. It's hard to find ANY game that is about ROLE PLAYING these days. Wow sure doesnt have it.
Perhaps I'll pick up an upcomming project and follow that one as well. Don't understand me wrong, Lineage 2 is a great game, I like the PvP settup it has. But the game turns around gaining level after level after level. That isn't mine genre of game. I love to jump into a game for a few hours and ammuse myself instead of concerning myself about levels and xp. And that feeling I can't find nor create in Lineage 2.
"If all magic fails, rely on three feet of steel and a strong arm"
I like wow and I am still playing it but it has something missing that you can probably find only with L2 : complete freedom!!
L2 has many problems but the exciting thing is that u can do whatever u want (trade skills just for dwarves are crap tough!!) with your char. There is a spammer that u hate...find it and kill him...if you can!!!
In wow u can just ignore him or duel him....no big deal!!
Lieage 2 is a tough, cruel game with a mercyless economy: u could get kill at any time, u can kill others at any time. Joining a clan is a major moment not just a normal harmles choice, joining a clan could mean power, fame, money. There are wars, alliances, politic, betrayals. All this makes a very complex but extremly rewarding mmorpg.
Obviously these features aren't for everybody as much as the awful grinding is potentialy very stressful.
All this to say that L2 and Wow are different games probably for different people and I reckon that a player who love L2 could adapt to wow but I definetly think that it couldn' work the other way round: L2 is simply too hard!
Yes Lineage2 is challenging. However, the rewards are greater than WoW.
CASTLES AND SIEGES!!!
WoW doesnt have them... won't and can't. Lineag2's top end is so much more... Level 75 then Sub-Class to 75 again! Castles and Sieges!!!!
It does not matter what is rated on a website it is what the "gamer" wants not the rest of the community, now if you going to give him your opinion then do so, don't start trolling about WoW. Oh look WoW is the best if you dont play it you suck...ect.. it gets annoying
On other websites based on how many players play, it's not even in the top 5.
HELLO
Only eve online and guild wars will be there to enjoy myself together with some single player games. Untill something new comes out and I'll try that one out. At this time I'm putting my eye on a few new projects.
"If all magic fails, rely on three feet of steel and a strong arm"
After having played both for a while now and taking things into consideration.
We can't compare these two games. They've so much in common, yet so different.
Everything in L2 has been designed for hard core long time investing players. You want to make your name ingame? Then L2 is for you. I believe we can compare it to EVE.
Wow is designed for the casual gamer. Still it's a RPG, but it's the kinda game that you hop in for a few hours after work to clean a dungeon with your friends or for some fast paced CTF.
Both can be real fun and exciting, they're just aiming two totally different customers.
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There is no comparison. WoW is a short term game for folks with A.D.D.
L2 requires plans, thought and work to make it to the top. It is a game that challenges people... some people do not enjoy challenges (laziness, short attention spans and so forth). That is understandable.
However, at the top end L2 rewards much more than WoW. So the challenge doesnt leave you flat... like the end game in WoW.
Sorry WoW gets a big thumbs down... while Lineage2 is a big
P.S. The ONLY reason WoW has had success is due to marketing. They spent more than any other game in history in advertising.
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WoW is very good for newbs cos its very easy. And La2 is cool for experienced players cos it has difficult PvP.
I played both and even if I like Wow I must admit it lacks the atmosphere that only L2 can give you.
Nevertheless I agree with the fact that the 2 games are very different and comparing them is hard.
Concerning me I tought I was bored with L2 but now, after having played wow for just 4 months I am here missing L2 and thinking about coming back!!
Hmmm... seems like some brainwashed WoWzer is giving bad player ratings to those who dont buy into the WoW propoganda.
I got 1 starred in this thread. I, also, see a few others got bad star ratings that spoke up about how L2 beats WoW.
I dont get it, why would anyone call grind-game a hardcore or a difficult game? Difficult means how much skill you gotta use in order to achieve a task. I played L2 in beta and after release, i didnt get far becuase L2 is about grind and L2 is not difficult. Yes, its timeconsuming but its not difficult. WoW is actualy more difficult then L2 because in WoW, you can realy show off your skill. Ill give uan example, there is a dungeon called The Deadmines, a level 20-25 dungeon. There was an argument among some folks who said that only a level 40+ character could solo that dungeon. I know its not true becuase I soloed it with me level 35 rogue. So, this means that my skills with my rogue are at least higher then average, becuase others cant solo that dungeon at 30 but only at 40.
L2 doesnt have that much content, not that many skills. Few skills - very little options and thus very little tactics you can use in order to achieve your task. Its almost like EQ, mindless grinding and repeated fighting. I havent gotten to the high end game, and it may be glorious (as it shoulds from others) but it doesnt make the game great if you gotta go through tedious part in order to get the good part. Once again, time investedx10 doesnt mean the game is 10x more difficult.
Just another example, at level 47, my rogue had approx 40 skills/potions/items I could use to affect combat. Anything from regular combat skills to bombs that would stun, do dmg, trinkets that would shrink, dmg, stun, root, turn into other critters and other effects. What can you say about L2? How many skills/trinkets or tools can i use in combat situation?that many?
here is another reason why L2 is not on my top list
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/08/16/news_6131205.html
This is my opinion, if you disagree with my opinion, then fine, but dont go calling WoW childish just because your game takes 10x time to achieve anything. WoW is not for kids, in fact, L2 is more for kids becuase kids learn from repetative actions, and we got plenty of that in L2.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Hardly, and if you havent played L2 since C3 (let alone C1 and C2) then you havent played L2.
Again, WoW has nothing to fight for at the top end. L2 your clan/alliance can fight for ownership of many different castles. The battles are HUGE (have seen as many as 500+ at castles sieges on Kain) and tactics are not simple... in fact with so many fighting and the way you need to take castles the tactics need to be very organized and thought out.
WoW doesnt come close to comparing. It's a childs game with cartoony graphics and easy leveling.
You might be a WoWzer if you like cartoons...
You might be a WoWzer if you have ADD...
You might be a WoWzer if you believe everything advertised by Blizzard...
You might be a WoWzer if you don't like a challenge in a game...
You might be a WoWzer if want to get level 60 and have nothing else to do.
You might like the farmers in lineage2
You might like to easily grind for hours at a time
You might be BigQed , a stupid flamer who likes to pick on some people because they enjoy other games
So true.
Like any MMOs with depth, L2 is tough to break into. But once you do, prepare for it to suck the RL out of you. ^.^
Anyone that points out only the grind and the farmers have definitely not played L2 enough to 'get' it. Play it for the PvP and the politics. that's what's at the core of L2.
"If all magic fails, rely on three feet of steel and a strong arm"
hmmm... last I check I was a Gladiator. No farmer profession in L2... sorry.
Maybe WoW has added the farmer profession... I mean heck it would go well with some of the other useless professions in WoW that add no content and add nothing towards top end.
^^ Which is why people get so defensive about the MMOs they play.
I'm a bit of an MMO hopper.. I've played pretty much every well-known to somewhat-well-known MMO out there. Anarchy Online and Lineage 2 were the two I found most difficult to get into but the most rewarding in the end. (Shame AO graphics are outdated now
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Haha, I find when people argue on the internet about why their game is better it is funny...we all have opinions I guess. I will give you my opinions now:
First about WoW:
1.) Good for the first time MMO player
2.) Good for people who like Warcraft and Blizzard Games (fans)
3.) Good for a more causual gamer
Second Lineage 2:
1.) Good for a new MMO player, and a seasoned one (I never played an MMO before L2, and I still love it)
2.) Good for people that like PvP, or are not afraid of some guy comming up and killing you
3.) People that like large scale battles
4.) People that love Great Grapics, and an anime (hip-hop) kind of flare!
Now why the games aren't good for some:
WoW:
1.) Cartoon graphics (Many dislike)
2.) Not real open PvP unless you are on a PvP server, and still it isn't like L2 openess.
3.) Probally will have to pay for a large expansion in a few more months, along with the monthly fee.
4.) Very Easy!! (Noob friendly) ::This always isn't a bad thing, but many people want more::
5.) Quest Driven (while many like, many like more freedom in their gaming exp)
6.) Instances
L2:
1.) If you like WoW's style of graphics you may not like L2's (I would find this hard to belive though)
2.) Grind Driven (Sometimes gets boring esspecially without friends, but also leaves the game VERY open)
3.) Centered around PvP, Wars, and Seiges.
4.) Free expansions. You pay about $50-60 dollars in the time before a new expansion, which is almost like a game with no monthly fee, but you have to pay for expansions.
5.) Difficult...definately more hardcore...but definately more rewarding!
6.) No instances, a seamless world!
These are the simple differences between these games. I have played both WoW and L2. I got bored of WoW very quickly and went back to L2! L2 is a game where you need a lot of friends and a good clan (dosn't always mean high lvl) to generally have fun. WoW you can solo, almost all the way through the game.
I really enjoy the seemless world in L2. And when I make my next level it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, unlike WoW...where levels just happend.
IMO, I also enjoyed L2's community A LOT more! This could just be me, but WoW seemed immature...and not many people to hang out with. Everyone is just running around doing their quests, and it seems more antisocial.
In the end, you can't really compair these games. They are almost designed for two different kinds of players. Actually I also wasn't too impressed with WoW, because most of the Quests were grind quests, but it didn't seem like it because you level soo fast!
Now for a quick lesson on Bots and Farmers!
EVERY GAME HAS THEM BRO! HELL, LOOK AT THE IGE BANNER ON THIS VERY WEBSITE....EVERY MMO YOU CAN BUY CURRENCY. I get sick and tired of people always saying that L2 has so many bots and farmers. The truth is all MMO's do, but except in L2 they are easier to spot (Which IMO is good). So all those WoW players that say L2 has soo many bots, well so dose your game...you just can't see it so obviously. Hell, my first day I played WoW, some guys were talking in General chat about how much buying gold costs!!!
WoW, has a lot of players, but many of those players will get tired of WoW and they will find other MMO's maybe even L2! WoW has had more marketing, and because it is Blizzard it draws a lot of people. If anything, I thank WoW for bringing more players to Lineage 2. They get new players into MMOs and then those players find other MMOs. I know 5 people that within the last 2 months came from WoW to L2 and are loving it!
L2 can't vs WoW. Anyway if it was a 1v1 compition L2 would kick it's ass because it is a PvP game...lol!
U r right about one thing, WoW has nothing to fight for at top level, nothing tangible at least like castles and stuff. But you still havent asnwered my question, how many skills a top level L2 player has? How "skillful" do you have to be in order to win? Do you just turn autoattack and occasiaonaly push a button or two while reading the book? The whole thing that got me going was not the high end content, L2 seems to have a better edge on that, but rather comments like "childrens" game and sort.
Easy game to me seems like a game where you just turn on your autoattack, and go to bathroom. In WoW, u got TONS of skills, you cant go to bathroom, u cant just turn autoattack and watch the fight. U gotta make choices between 20-30 or 40 skills to use. If you use the wrong one, or dont use the right one the fight can go very badly. Thats what im talking about, and not the high end content.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Ok to answer the question about being able to win with an auto attack, and then go read a book or go to the bathroom, NO WAY, unless you want to end up dead!!! L2 isn't just auto attacks. Especially in groups! Let me go more in depth about this. I play a mage in L2! When I am pvping it is very intense, and it matters a lot what skills I use. I have to know when to sleep, use ice bolt to slow people down, curse them, what combinations of nukes will do the most damage within the least amount of time. I have played both WoW and Lineage 2, and I find the fighting systems almost the same, except in WoW you have to keep staring at your characters ass, because if you move the camera angle you look away and can't attack your opponient. In WoW this may be ok, but thank god this isn't in L2. In L2 I really love the 360 degree area a view that you have so you can keep looking around you if need be to watch out for alliance members that may be trying to help your foe.
Yep, it is true that almost every class that is the same as your class will have the same skills. For example though, I am going to be a spellsinger. I get my unicorns even though I won't use em, but I don't get the servitor buffs because I don't use em that much. Some people might get the buffs, some people don't...some people get all their skills some don't! You can further customize your character with Tatoos that change their attubutes and so on, along with gear that you choose!
WoW IMO really has no high level content, so pretty much you work for nothing. But then again..in WoW you really don't work for anything you do anyway! No offense to all the Blizzard Fan Boys out there.
People that think L2 just has an auto attack feature are playing the game wrong and backwards, or have never played it. If you don't pay attention to what you are doing, you are dead! Once I pvped a same level clannie, that was almost like my exact twin. Same level, gear, class, but just looked a little different. I beat him! I beat him by a lot because he didn't know what he was doing. He thought he could just target me, and continue nuking...haha...he died!
Truthfully, this game is totally underated because it has bad reviews (that are 90% beta or C1), but this game has changed a lot. Now it is in C3, and that is how I feel it should have been released. Do you really think that people that put that much detail into their graphics wouldn't think about game mechanics. Some things are Wack, shure...but every MMO has their wack things... Overall I think this game should be way up there, next to WoW, if not even above it!