I'm going to spare everyone the quotes though there is a lot of good stuff there hehe.
15.00 is still 15.00. Easily spent in one hour at most any other form of purchased entertainment. Yes, WoW has a CS and so does KTERA, NA TERA might as well. It's what's in those stores that matter. Is what is in those stores the same things as you should get in the game? If that's the case you're getting ripped off if you're paying a sub for s sub game or pay for the box of a B2P game. I'll pay 15.00 and forego the fancy mount than feel like um being nickel and dimed to death playing a B2P game. Time will tell as it might not be that way.
arenanet has already shown with gw1 that the cash shop wont b P2W and that they will b doing content updates for free so you dont have to spend a dime or a nickle after buying the game except for expansions. unlike tera, wow, swtor, rift you buy the game and you ahve to pay jsut play the game even if you doing the new content and you have huge luls in content like in WoW right now with everyone waiting for the new expansion still paying 15 a month for who knows how many month with no real content updates till pandaria.
and as stated earlier P2P gives the developers more reason to make the game more grindy
more time consuming in ways that arent fun just to keep players around longer
also all of those P2P games have gear based pvp so it doesnt matter as much how good you are at the game but how high your gear score is. if anything P2P games are the most carebearish of them all
Wait, so people are choosing to pay a sub but still stay to play a "grindy" game? If they feel that way and still pay then that is on them, personal accountability. You don't think GW2 will have "grinding"? How many scenerios do you think they have programmed for each area? The quest system is nice in that it auto-populates but there is no "Dynam-o-matic 5000" making stuff up on the fly lol.
The one good thing about the F2P and B2P bonanza now is that if a game wants to have a P2P model they will actually have to give people what they pay for. This is great leverage for all gamers involved.
the P2P model has already shown to b inferior to a good B2P/F2P model LoL is a good example imagine how much they make off just skins of champions or ppl buying the boosts. gw2 wont b grindy it has a very level lvling curve you wont have to grind to lvl. dungeons are made to do them once for the story and thats it. you dont even have to do the DE to lvl let alone all of them. so no there will not be alot of grindy things in the game. the game is about fun not about time consuming for no reason.
Your LoL agrument is incompatable since LoL didn't take nearly as much to make and has a microscopic cost overhead in relation to an open world MMO. MOBAs are cash cows if sone right and LoL makes bank because of it. They are totally different however.
I watched an exploration video for GW2. You know what I seen? A guy running for a while, finding a patch of cabbages, clicking on some respawning ones to collec them and then turning them into a guy in the town near by... GW2 will do a great job getting "quests" to you in a more natural way and will phase environments to add to that. You are still going to have the same tasks though.
I'm going to spare everyone the quotes though there is a lot of good stuff there hehe.
15.00 is still 15.00. Easily spent in one hour at most any other form of purchased entertainment. Yes, WoW has a CS and so does KTERA, NA TERA might as well. It's what's in those stores that matter. Is what is in those stores the same things as you should get in the game? If that's the case you're getting ripped off if you're paying a sub for s sub game or pay for the box of a B2P game. I'll pay 15.00 and forego the fancy mount than feel like um being nickel and dimed to death playing a B2P game. Time will tell as it might not be that way.
arenanet has already shown with gw1 that the cash shop wont b P2W and that they will b doing content updates for free so you dont have to spend a dime or a nickle after buying the game except for expansions. unlike tera, wow, swtor, rift you buy the game and you ahve to pay jsut play the game even if you doing the new content and you have huge luls in content like in WoW right now with everyone waiting for the new expansion still paying 15 a month for who knows how many month with no real content updates till pandaria.
and as stated earlier P2P gives the developers more reason to make the game more grindy
more time consuming in ways that arent fun just to keep players around longer
also all of those P2P games have gear based pvp so it doesnt matter as much how good you are at the game but how high your gear score is. if anything P2P games are the most carebearish of them all
Wait, so people are choosing to pay a sub but still stay to play a "grindy" game? If they feel that way and still pay then that is on them, personal accountability. You don't think GW2 will have "grinding"? How many scenerios do you think they have programmed for each area? The quest system is nice in that it auto-populates but there is no "Dynam-o-matic 5000" making stuff up on the fly lol.
The one good thing about the F2P and B2P bonanza now is that if a game wants to have a P2P model they will actually have to give people what they pay for. This is great leverage for all gamers involved.
the P2P model has already shown to b inferior to a good B2P/F2P model LoL is a good example imagine how much they make off just skins of champions or ppl buying the boosts. gw2 wont b grindy it has a very level lvling curve you wont have to grind to lvl. dungeons are made to do them once for the story and thats it. you dont even have to do the DE to lvl let alone all of them. so no there will not be alot of grindy things in the game. the game is about fun not about time consuming for no reason.
Your LoL agrument is incompatable since LoL didn't take nearly as much to make and has a microscopic cost overhead in relation to an open world MMO. MOBAs are cash cows if sone right and LoL makes bank because of it. They are totally different however.
I watched an exploration video for GW2. You know what I seen? A guy running for a while, finding a patch of cabbages, clicking on some respawning ones to collec them and then turning them into a guy in the town near by... GW2 will do a great job getting "quests" to you in a more natural way and will phase environments to add to that. You are still going to have the same tasks though.
well the box sales alone for gw2 will cover the cost of the game though i really dont know how much they spent to develop it i doubt they spent over 200mill like swtor. i beleive maple story is the MMO example but id have to double check
Assumed it wouldn't be to hard for Blue Hole to transition them as well. Guess not.
EME chose not to include the KTERA battlegrounds because they give rewards but were not very good in the overall game. I don't think having PvP rewards just in instances on a PvP server would go over very well lol.
@chibineko - i see you dont know what a business is. Anet may cover their costs by box sales but its still a company that wants to give their investors a long ride. They Are out to make money. Its called return on investment. And investors expect to double and trippel their investment.
You fools know Tera has battlegrounds already? Also server vs server is being implemented very very very very shortly. They just catered to the pve'rs with new content, and their next big scheduled patch is going to implement server vs server and rifts. OW WAIT SOMEONE FUCKING READ BEFORe POSTING AND iS INFoRMED???
Fucking moron trolls.
Just need to correct your post some, battle ground will not be in tera NA/EU at launch. It will be added late summer.
The irony is beautiful
More like he doesn't look like he knows much about Tera.
He didn't know that battlegrounds are not at launch.
He didn't know that rifts started last month.
He didn't know that server vs server won't be out anytime soon.
Oh my...
At least he knows the difference between hardcore and casual PvP. <shrugs>
@chibineko - i see you dont know what a business is. Anet may cover their costs by box sales but its still a company that wants to give their investors a long ride. They Are out to make money. Its called return on investment. And investors expect to double and trippel their investment.
the P2P model has already shown to b inferior to a good B2P/F2P model
Link? And don't tell me just because ArenaNet says so.
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looks promising the only thing i may b worried about is the resurection orb but really you can revive ur self from being downed or run from the last check point so its not needed to do things and barely makes it any easier than it would b normally
I agree with one part it will be a sleeper.. as for a hit roflcakes. just roflcakes.
Lineage+dodge+aim.
although i do like the fox chick and the pug dog races and how all the classes but humans/rock monster look like chicks.. everyone wants to play a pretty elf male run around fairy land wieldin a big sword i mean i just cant wait to log in and make my char to its gunna be so awsome playing a male/female cross dressing pwnstar.
if u dont like the east art style wich obviously is the best in the world
u can always go bac kto wtf piece of crap west game uwere playing where everyone looks like nobrainers marines steroids beards tards.
lol +1 nadya!!!! you mean you arent a fanboi (gurl) of gw2! zomg ur not allowed on this website :P (i feel ur pain)
yeah, they've been feeding us that Slogan, in every single Game site.
according to them, every game that is not GW2 is crap and sucks, GW2 will be and is the new Messiah coming, it really gonna be the best of the best, the most amazing thing ever in the whole wide galaxy. did i just say in the whole Galaxy? , that's wrong in the whole wide universe i meant to say!.
gw2 is just a instanced rift rip off mmo and yes i played 2 beta's
Complete bullshit that you have been in two betas. The proof I need about that statement is in your post history
what u didnt know is that 2 ppl are using this account....
me and my brother
next time be sure about something before talking
and yes gw2 is a f2p RIFT rip off nuff said..now u can still praise ur crappy f2p game but like it or not not everyone is interested in gw2
just like some of us accepts the bashing of tera so do u for gw2....no mmo's i repeat NO MMO'S are perfect and gw2 is easily one of them.
If u think gw2 is the second coming of christ then i suggest to finaly wake up and look at the reality
lol +1 nadya!!!! you mean you arent a fanboi (gurl) of gw2! zomg ur not allowed on this website :P (i feel ur pain)
yeah, they've been feeding us that Slogan, in every single Game site.
according to them, every game that is not GW2 is crap and sucks, GW2 will be and is the new Messiah coming, it really gonna be the best of the best, the most amazing thing ever in the whole wide galaxy. did i just say in the whole Galaxy? , that's wrong in the whole wide universe i meant to say!.
gw2 is just a instanced rift rip off mmo and yes i played 2 beta's
Complete bullshit that you have been in two betas. The proof I need about that statement is in your post history
what u didnt know is that 2 ppl are using this account....
me and my brother
next time be sure about something before talking
and yes gw2 is a f2p RIFT rip off nuff said..now u can still praise ur crappy f2p game but like it or not not everyone is interested in gw2
just like some of us accepts the bashing of tera so do u for gw2....no mmo's i repeat NO MMO'S are perfect and gw2 is easily one of them.
If u think gw2 is the second coming of christ then i suggest to finaly wake up and look at the reality
F2P Rift copy. Wow thats a new one. I cant wait for the release of eiher Tera or GW2 so we dont have to hear the hyperbole.
Saying GW2 is a Rift clone is as bad as me calling Tera a Flyff clone (which it obviously isnt).
Playing: GW2 Waiting on: TESO Next Flop: Planetside 2 Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
lol +1 nadya!!!! you mean you arent a fanboi (gurl) of gw2! zomg ur not allowed on this website :P (i feel ur pain)
yeah, they've been feeding us that Slogan, in every single Game site.
according to them, every game that is not GW2 is crap and sucks, GW2 will be and is the new Messiah coming, it really gonna be the best of the best, the most amazing thing ever in the whole wide galaxy. did i just say in the whole Galaxy? , that's wrong in the whole wide universe i meant to say!.
gw2 is just a instanced rift rip off mmo and yes i played 2 beta's
Complete bullshit that you have been in two betas. The proof I need about that statement is in your post history
what u didnt know is that 2 ppl are using this account....
me and my brother
next time be sure about something before talking
and yes gw2 is a f2p RIFT rip off nuff said..now u can still praise ur crappy f2p game but like it or not not everyone is interested in gw2
just like some of us accepts the bashing of tera so do u for gw2....no mmo's i repeat NO MMO'S are perfect and gw2 is easily one of them.
If u think gw2 is the second coming of christ then i suggest to finaly wake up and look at the reality
you do realize rift is just a WoW clone and gw2 is not
gw2 does more for the genre than any title in the last few years
its not F2P its B2P get your facts striaight
B2P > P2P i buy i can play as longa s the servers r up i dont have to pay $15 just to play the game
tera has its combat going for and thats it , tera will b a niche game
I agree with one part it will be a sleeper.. as for a hit roflcakes. just roflcakes.
Lineage+dodge+aim.
although i do like the fox chick and the pug dog races and how all the classes but humans/rock monster look like chicks.. everyone wants to play a pretty elf male run around fairy land wieldin a big sword i mean i just cant wait to log in and make my char to its gunna be so awsome playing a male/female cross dressing pwnstar.
if u dont like the east art style wich obviously is the best in the world
u can always go bac kto wtf piece of crap west game uwere playing where everyone looks like nobrainers marines steroids beards tards.
east love beauty and so do i
Subjective is as subjective does. Have fun in Tera. I will enjoy my piece of crap Western game very much, but you sir have to make crap up like I played 2 betas so GW2 is crap. Sounds like you are very scared your game wont do so well so you hyperbole to much.
Playing: GW2 Waiting on: TESO Next Flop: Planetside 2 Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Why are people so defensive? If someone approached me and told me they think "X" movie is better than "Y" movie, I wouldn't stand there and tell them why they're wrong. Why do people feel the need to do this with MMO's? Do people really need to justify their tastes in video games to a complete stranger?
Why are people so defensive? If someone approached me and told me they think "X" movie is better than "Y" movie, I wouldn't stand there and tell them why they're wrong. Why do people feel the need to do this with MMO's? Do people really need to justify their tastes in video games?
Playing: GW2 Waiting on: TESO Next Flop: Planetside 2 Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Diablo 3 will be released in the same month of Tera Online's launch. I won't be signing up for Tera Online until I am done with Diablo 3, probably after June.
Even then, I am hestitant on registering for Tera Online because of the p2p payment model. If I play 6 days in a month, $15/month is not worth it. I would definitely get this game if it was b2p. This game seems too good to turn down like the other MMO's. I would probably have to reconsider in July.
Diablo 3 will be released in the same month of Tera Online's launch. I won't be signing up for Tera Online until I am done with Diablo 3, probably after June.
Even then, I am hestitant on registering for Tera Online because of the p2p payment model. If I play 6 days in a month, $15/month is not worth it. I would definitely get this game if it was b2p. This game seems too good to turn down like the other MMO's. I would probably have to reconsider in July.
I agree. EME should have considered other payment models before releasing the game considering the terrible release time they chose.
Chib, you nor anyone else knows what GW2 is going to do for the genere, only what people think it will. We'll have to wait and see. TERA offers a lot more than it's combat. I don't expect you to know this since your not interested in TERA but since you have camped in this thread you might come a little more prepared.
The P2P/B2P gets muddied if you offer a lot of convenience items people want to purchase. Arguing the merits of one over the other are silly.
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Yup you're right on that sorry.
Link? And don't tell me just because ArenaNet says so.
Was going off this as last thing I glanced at.
http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/KTERA-Patch-Notes
Assumed it wouldn't be to hard for Blue Hole to transition them as well. Guess not.
Your LoL agrument is incompatable since LoL didn't take nearly as much to make and has a microscopic cost overhead in relation to an open world MMO. MOBAs are cash cows if sone right and LoL makes bank because of it. They are totally different however.
I watched an exploration video for GW2. You know what I seen? A guy running for a while, finding a patch of cabbages, clicking on some respawning ones to collec them and then turning them into a guy in the town near by... GW2 will do a great job getting "quests" to you in a more natural way and will phase environments to add to that. You are still going to have the same tasks though.
Just not worth my time anymore.
i never said arenanet said that(which they didnt) and im to lazy to go find the link
not like anyone here has links to support what they say either anyway
well the box sales alone for gw2 will cover the cost of the game though i really dont know how much they spent to develop it i doubt they spent over 200mill like swtor. i beleive maple story is the MMO example but id have to double check
EME chose not to include the KTERA battlegrounds because they give rewards but were not very good in the overall game. I don't think having PvP rewards just in instances on a PvP server would go over very well lol.
Just not worth my time anymore.
More like he doesn't look like he knows much about Tera.
He didn't know that battlegrounds are not at launch.
He didn't know that rifts started last month.
He didn't know that server vs server won't be out anytime soon.
Oh my...
At least he knows the difference between hardcore and casual PvP. <shrugs>
box sales + cash shop + expansions
cash shop generates more money than subscriptions
B2P means bigger possible player base than P2P
looks promising the only thing i may b worried about is the resurection orb but really you can revive ur self from being downed or run from the last check point so its not needed to do things and barely makes it any easier than it would b normally
Some of those actually look useful, not the usual fluff. I'm liking what I see there.
if u dont like the east art style wich obviously is the best in the world
u can always go bac kto wtf piece of crap west game uwere playing where everyone looks like nobrainers marines steroids beards tards.
east love beauty and so do i
what u didnt know is that 2 ppl are using this account....
me and my brother
next time be sure about something before talking
and yes gw2 is a f2p RIFT rip off nuff said..now u can still praise ur crappy f2p game but like it or not not everyone is interested in gw2
just like some of us accepts the bashing of tera so do u for gw2....no mmo's i repeat NO MMO'S are perfect and gw2 is easily one of them.
If u think gw2 is the second coming of christ then i suggest to finaly wake up and look at the reality
F2P Rift copy. Wow thats a new one. I cant wait for the release of eiher Tera or GW2 so we dont have to hear the hyperbole.
Saying GW2 is a Rift clone is as bad as me calling Tera a Flyff clone (which it obviously isnt).
Everything you need to know about Elder Scrolls Online
Playing: GW2
Waiting on: TESO
Next Flop: Planetside 2
Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Subjective is as subjective does. Have fun in Tera. I will enjoy my piece of crap Western game very much, but you sir have to make crap up like I played 2 betas so GW2 is crap. Sounds like you are very scared your game wont do so well so you hyperbole to much.
Everything you need to know about Elder Scrolls Online
Playing: GW2
Waiting on: TESO
Next Flop: Planetside 2
Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
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Why are people so defensive? If someone approached me and told me they think "X" movie is better than "Y" movie, I wouldn't stand there and tell them why they're wrong. Why do people feel the need to do this with MMO's? Do people really need to justify their tastes in video games to a complete stranger?
Exactly.
Everything you need to know about Elder Scrolls Online
Playing: GW2
Waiting on: TESO
Next Flop: Planetside 2
Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Diablo 3 will be released in the same month of Tera Online's launch. I won't be signing up for Tera Online until I am done with Diablo 3, probably after June.
Even then, I am hestitant on registering for Tera Online because of the p2p payment model. If I play 6 days in a month, $15/month is not worth it. I would definitely get this game if it was b2p. This game seems too good to turn down like the other MMO's. I would probably have to reconsider in July.
I agree. EME should have considered other payment models before releasing the game considering the terrible release time they chose.
I agree,I'm looking forward to GW2,but Tera does some interesting things specially with their combat.
everyone has their taste,some people like sangria,others like beer.
I like Mad Dog
The P2P/B2P gets muddied if you offer a lot of convenience items people want to purchase. Arguing the merits of one over the other are silly.
Just not worth my time anymore.