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What women think about TERA female characters?
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seriously, they love huge boobs as it seems ^^
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I tried the Beta, the most reaction I seen was in reference to Elin (5 yr old girl as some would say). As I understand it the Devs had to do some censoring for the western market i.e covering up of the navel, changing knickers to shorts etc. Personally I dont see a reason to sexualize characters for a game, I think it shows disrespect to women and gives a wrong impression to youngsters as this blatantly markets towards pubescent males and some older I would guess.
As to the other female characters, most of the time they looked dressed to go to a ball not a battle, I think the novelty of the short skirts and side slit dresses will wear off eventually ( no pun intended). I'm also informed that the clothes become even skimpier at higher levels. Okay I know its a fantasy game, but I like to have some realism where body armour is concerned. Even the arrow to the knee has turned into a nipple to the eye.
I can understand why women dislike the armors style in this game.
What seems funny to me is that between the men on this board there is a high percentage of mormons or hypocrites, sex and videogames went hand in hand since forever, you may wanna try search E3 Girls or BlizzCon Girls on google.
So why all this scandalized comments?
Thankfully my wife is amused and not offended by such , and someone who understands fantasy games overall.
I find this usually explains most of the types who get upset or offended over this sort of thing.
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It would make an interesting study. I just spent about 10 minutes on google scholar trying to find an article on gender differences in perception of anime characters and didn't come up with anything. I suspect something is out there though.
I know for myself playing the beta that I was disturbed by the depiction of the Elin. You can create lore around any character to somehow justify or explain that it's not what it looks like, but what I saw was a girl between 8 and 10 with bunny ears wearing an extremely provocative outfit and short shorts. When they run you get this view (you can see it around 15 seconds):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQDYsESrDkQ
Yes, I know there is a cultural context for these kinds of images, but this image was already "westernized". The original image from the Korean version has the Elin wearing only what can be described as thongs.
One common thing that happens is when you point this stuff out people say "Well that's not what I see what's wrong with you that you find this sexualized?" I wonder why people are in denial of the sexualization of children's images.
At any rate, I do think there is a gender difference in how people perceive these things. My best guess is that women think it's "cute" and many men are "uncomfortable" but these are generalizations. To me, it would be very interesting to design a study where you presented images from Tera to a group of subjects who had no prior knowledge of the game and assess their perception on a number of scales.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
It's the huge cultural clash between east and west.
These games perfectly resemble their culture within the country it's created.
EQ1, EQ2, WoW, LOTRO, DDO, SW:TOR are games created in the West.
Aion and TERA are games that are created in the East.
I think the difference between Western culture and Eastern culture is pretty obvious.
Oh, but seriously....please do....get started, that is.
From only watching gameplay video of this game I KNEW I would never play it and that is BECAUSE of the over-sexualization of females and the obviously pedo-attracting Elin. I think both are just completely repulsive for a game. They belong in porn movies, hentai.....not in a game, in my opinion.
If this game is an "example of Eastern culture" then you can be sure I won't be playing any Eastern games.
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Second time you talk about press and politcs being all over this, care to point out some example?
No sir, I don't like it. Never understood the anime style particularly in computer games. As a female gamer, I create a particular persona in my mind when going through character generation. I like a rough around the edges type of female. A little pretty, but more business and very little pleasure.
Cutesie little bunny girls with short skirts just seem idiotic to me. But to each their own. I certainly won't be playing Tera for this reason. In addition, my husband took a look at an earlier game trailer for Tera and noted the bouncy chests. This alone put him off the game entirely. Im not sure if they are intentionally pushing the anime artistic liscence to the extreme or just blatently pandering to the testosterone crowd. (I say this because im not that familiar with anime in games.)
On a side note, I recently gave Forsaken World a try ( I thought I could give it the benefit of the doubt). I lasted all but 10 mins before uninstalling.
Nope not for me.
No, that's just YOU being sexist. Of COURSE you like boobs hanging out all over the place, you're a man. If we insisted that in our games men's penises would be swingin' in the wind all the time, I bet you'd not want to play that game. You wouldn't want to look at male character's dicks. So who's being hypocritical? What's good for one is good for all? No, it doesn't work that way. Women just get exploited.
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Since when does fantasy = skimpy women in prom dresses with massive breasts? All that is, is a lame attempt to grasp a market of male gamers and is 90% of the time used to cover other lacking areas of the game. You can still do "sensualized" armor sets that show skin without it looking like some sort of over the top run way show.
This for instance:
Still shows off a decent amount of skin, but is fitting to the character, setting, lore, time period, etc.
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Wouldnt complain about it though, wouldnt play it sure , but wouldnt be offended by it. People need to get a grip . And thankfully , plenty of women are not offended nor worry about such things either, not everyone is uptight.
I personally feel kind of this way. Of course is pleasant to watch pretty characters' bodies and faces, but maybe such explicit sex-appeal is out of context, and (as stated above) misleading. I think it should be made more "logical": a nice dress for a high elf sorcerer can be appropriated (and maybe rewarding for the player, as a high level loot), but a bikini metal armor for a castanic warrior is just..... silly, and completely out of context.
I totally agree about the Elin: it seems a gift for pedofilies.
Several newspapers have reported this and not just about TERA alone, but in regards of these type of Asian games.
There are plenty of female discussion forums (a norwegian one where my gf reads frequently for example) where TERA gets flamed to death.
If you think that the vast majority of female gamers here in the west think that games like TERA are perfectly acceptable, then you are sorely mistaken.... especially since the vast majority of female characters in these MMO's are controlled by male players.
"Many Men Online RolePlaying Girls" isn't just a funny acronym... it's just a fact.
I'm not offended nor was my g/f, but it doesnt mean I think it is right, sexualising women to market a game directed at people like you because you get off on it doesnt make it morally right to do so.
My girlfriend really didn't have an issue with the female characters in TERA. She's not a gamer but when I asked her what she thought about the female costumes she basically said that TERA wasn't any different than any other video game I play... She liked Elin and Popori the best.
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It isn't just that the game is hypersexualized. It is also this:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/348172/Tera-Frogster-EU-Make-Game-Breaker-TV.html
It is being targeted at 12 year olds. And it has depictions of children not only wearing racy outfits, but the animations and sounds they make are suggestive as well.
To me, it's a disturbing artistic viewpoint that is apparently acceptable to a lot of people. It's even acceptable enough to target 12 year old children.
I find it disturbing that your mind instantly turns to sexual thoughts when you see Elins.
I never even thought such a thing until people started talking about it on these forums. I just thought they were another "cute small race" like Tarutaru from FFXI. Do you find Tarutaru sexual too?
Honestly they just look like faerie folk. I really dont think they were intended to be anything other than cute.
I like most of them, especially the Castanics, which if they changed I would be extremely disappointed, the Castanics just seem like they are suppose to be sexy, male and female.
The ones I don't like are:
1. the Baraka :P.
2. The Aman, their females don't look like the males. I don't like realism that much, and can easily suspend my belief more than most people, but the Aman don't fool me at all.
3. and the Elin. I just don't understand what they are doing with the Elin, if they were aiming for child like, just put some more clothes on it, if aiming for anime look...well they still follow the child like look, if anyone looks at anime the teens and adults, while some still have those faces and little boobs, they clearly look older through making them look lengthier.
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LOL! Maybe she will get a different opinion and view on your games, when you show her Western games like EQ2, LOTRO, DDO, etc.
Look what my gf hates about these Asian games is that she doesn't have a choice other than running around like a hooker or strip dancer.
She would be less offended if there was actual choice to create more normal looking female characters and dress them up with the same type of armor and clothing like the male characters.
Remember the first iterations of Trion's game RIFT? and the heat it got from the female gaming community, because they went the Asian way (most likely due to them wanting to release RIFT in Asia as well)? .... and how they ended up "adjusting" the female armor designs in the end?
Rest my case.
You took what he said and twisted it into something he clearly wasn't saying.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
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What some may know is that in a lot of the Eastern cultures borderline "child soft-porn as cartoons" is endemic & popular, justified as being okay because it's "not real", this mindset does not sit well with a large portion of the western audience who find this kind of child-sexualisation distasteful & disturbing.
Perhaps the over-sexualisation of females in general is more acceptable to Eastern audiences in games/cartoons because they "are not real" even while the social attitudes to dress are much more conservative generally, it's an odd cultural split to me & I think it's something I do actively avoid, it's not the only reason I dislike so many Eastern games but it's definitely one of them.
Yeah, I knew someone would say that. I'm a pervert becasue I can see that they're sexualized.
Like I said earlier, check out the child Playboy bunny in this picture:
http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/valley-of-titans/topics/Post-a-Screenshot-of-your-Official-Character?page=3
And no, the Tarutaru were completely acceptable to me and just looked like children.
Sorry I'm not a prude and I appreciate the human body, especially when it's translated into a game. Go wild! Give me over the top fantasy!
I'd love to see more of the male form.
If you were raised in America...well I can kind of understand but feel sorry for you (never forget: nipple-gate).
If a western developer had done the same designs or something close I can bet you a dinner right now that I wouldn't be seeing the same amount of overreactions.
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