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Another Korean dies because of MMORPGs...
kishe
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Guess Koreans need same kind of system as China
http://ktla.trb.com/news/local/la-fg-games29aug29,0,5502614.story?coll=ktla-news-1
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Really sad, I guess that is why china has that law ......
But you got to admire his dedication..... I mean really how much can you enjoy a game.
Witty saying to amuse you goes here.
No, people just need to learn some self control
It's sad that so many Koreans have died in Internet Cafes but hey, what can you really do?
and China doesn't want ideas of personal freedom and exploration in games, and since that appears mostly in MMORPGs they cut there time off.
Same reason for when they ban PvP for under 18, they don't want kids over throwing there government.
Sounds a little crazy, but so does Communism
Remember DARE?
WOWARE: World of Warcraft Abuse Resistence Education
They actually have a self help group in the Tampabay Area for addicted Internet Users, and there are 2 WoW players trying to quit in there.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
Its fuckin sick man! Now its going to far!
http://zwine.kicks-ass.net
Yea WoW is a crappy shit game it should be ilegal in the whole world i think!
http://zwine.kicks-ass.net
scientology
So do you punish the drug, the company, or the user?
and in the end what effect will it really have?
Each individual needs to take responsibly for his or her own actions, and only if those actions invade on the well being of another should the governement laws apply.
The man that played for 50 hours straight has already been punished for his choice, he is dead, it is sad, but he choose to do this, the game did not force him into a 50 hour event; nor did the cafe tie him to the chair.
As for the couple that left there baby alone while they went to a internet cafe, they should suffer the consequences of there actions. They both need to have counts of reckless endangerment and possibly murder, if not at least man slaughter.
Every needs to take some personal responsibly in what they do, and if the government wants to help people fine, but focing a government ban will do nothing but make the problem worse.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
Its really amazing to me. Our society has really gone downhill. Drugs like cocaine and meth have literally killed millions but they arent really being stopped. Heck no one is really trying. Alcohol has killed literally millions and yet again no one is trying to stop that. Smoking is the same situation.
Yet a few people die because they have no self control and "OMG ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!" I just love hypocrites.
And yes I think the parents of the 4 month should be tossed in a prison. They should never have gone to cafe without the child. Or at all. Once you have a child your life needs to be about that child.
And anyone who cant control themselves should be playing to begin with.
Kai
Amen
Amen
It's funny cause it's true. :-)
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
Yes it is
People just want a scapegoat, something solid they can pin a label or a tag on, and since drugs are already illegal, what are they going to do.... make them more illegal?
And Parents don't buy there kids drugs and alcohol and watch them use and drink it, but they do buy them Video games, and often watch them play it. So you have all the soccor moms thinking that Video games are going to kill there little children.
People want to label things too much these days, and since you can't label people in mass anymore, you just slap a Evil label on Video games and hope it goes away.
or if we really want to stop drugs you can
Make a Video game about it!
Coming this Christmas
Drug sniffing Dog Sim bundled with NARC the 3rd person adventure game
Sarcasm aside it is sad that people are more worried about this small social issue, while a huge one has been facing them for years.
People need to stop passing off blame on others and fix there problems not whine about them.
It's a sad world we live in, but we can change it
at least I hope we can
My mom said she'd be worried about me... but I go to the bar with friends too much to be sucked that deep in.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
Amen
It's funny cause it's true. :-)
Not funny to me. I have a 4 month old baby. And my life is my child's. Yes I still play games but I would never ever even contemplate leaving her alone for more then a minute. There is always someone watching her. My wife, me, or the family. If my wife is watching our baby and needs to take a bath, cook food, or whatever then I have no problem shutting off the computer and going to watch my baby. I cant even begin to fathom just how addicted you have to be to even consider leaving a child alone for even an hour.
But its been happening like this for years. Not too long ago stories of parents leaving their kids alone to go to a crack house or to go drinking and coming home to a dead child were commonplace.
Should the companies be held responsible? Yes in alot of it they should. Cigerette companies know exactly what chemicals and in what amounts to add to make their product very addictive. Its the same with MMO companies. They know what to do to make the games addictive as heck. To make sure people keep paying to play. So yes in some regards the companies need to be held responsible. BUT
MMO games and all games in general are meant to escape reality for a short time. Not to replace it completely. So I think people need to learn control first and foremost. I never play more then 4 hours at a stretch. I think the longest I played was 8 hours in one day and that was because I off work two days.
The other guy even forgot to eat. I cant understand this either. I have played some pretty intense games and been really deep into the game. But I have never forgotten to eat.
Also my own personal experiance with someone addicted also comes from a korean player. This was in Lineage 2. A very young girl (I assume since she said) from korea. She asked me in very broken english if I had adena. I said yes and she asked if I had yahoo or MSN. I said yes. Then she told me she would play on webcam for 30 minutes for me if I gave her 5k adena after. That is just sick. I reported her and hope she got banned. But here is a person willing to sacrifice their morality for a game. Man this is nuts.
Kai
I found some humor in the fact that people can't tell stuff like this from reality though. That's what's funny...
These people are so untouched with reality that something was bound to kill them. Might as well be a game...
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
Look at Baseball, Football, or any other professional sport that has a large dollar amount tied to it. Players are using drugs to pump themselves up so they can hit one more home run, or out run the other team's defensive line.
People are still people be that in the real world or a MMORPG.
If we see an easy way to get something, we do it.
Korea is very untouched with reality, in a country soo small, there only escape is computers, and in that world they can run around, and see trees and a clear view of the sky.
I wonder if the man that died used food items in the game while forgetting to eat himself....
That is what happens when a false world that you have created is better than your real one, at least in the eyes of the beholder.
I know it might seem like a poor example but in the 1st Harry Potter movie when he finds that mirror and he does nothing but just sit and watch it, and Dumbledore has to come and move the mirror and warns Harry how people have wasted away before it.
It's kind of like that.
He died doing something he really enjoyed, I fail to see a problem... we should all be so lucky.
Damn I love the media...
"Certainly, more people drop dead while eating dinner or having sex than playing online games. But Lee's death this month gained widespread notoriety, bolstering creeping fears among South Koreans that they've become hooked on the Internet."
400 gazillion people in Korea and a couple die from being too stupid to eat.... and its "the nation is hooked on the internet."
I wish they would apply that logic to something like my sex life, I could do my usual 5 minute stint with the wife and it would be reported as... "Australian sex God services half the women in the Pacific Rim for hours at a time"
Actually thats true
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
He may have enjoyed it, he may not have, but the spin that the media will put (and has put in the past) is that the game sucked him in and that he didn't continue to play of his own free will.
and "Lee collapsed and fell off his chair. He died a few hours later."
so he died laying on the floor as a result of his doing something he enjoyed for 50 hours.
And wouldn't you rather play 5 hours a day for 2 years than 50 hours straight and die?
Just something to chew on
IT all boils down to the old maxim.."Everything in Moderation." Practically anything in excess has a harmful influence on a person. And in some cases, fatal. The companies of MMORPGs shouldnt be held any more responsible than printing a warning label on the product. If people still use it then its THEIR responsibility. They decided to play, they lost control, they died, their fault. Its sad but no different than any other addict who couldn't control the influence their activity had on their lives. Even if someone HAD wanted to interfere and get them to stop, would that game junkie stop? Probably not, they can only stop when the really want to. Its the same with anything else. This guy was no kid, he was out of school, had a job, etc. He was developed enough to be responsible for himself, and he failed himself. Plain and simple. That baby who died? A tragedy. His parents thought they were responsible enough to start a family, they were wrong. And their child paid for it. Thats their responsibility. Should they face jail time or whatever? I don't know. I would think the guilt enough over slaying their own child just to play a game would be enough to scar them for life. But, I could be wrong.
In the end, the governments don't really need to step in any farther than to insist that the consumers be fully informed as to the negative possibilites from using a company's products to a reasonable level. And then its the consumer's responsibility as to how they let that product effect their lives. The movement toward the concept that someone else is responsible for "whatever happened to you" makes me sick in this country. I don't know if its getting like this in other countries. But our legal system is drowning in this bullsh*t. Step up and take some damn responsibility for your own life.
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I would expect that MMORPG enthusiasts in a forum like this would know better than to blame a game or gaming in general, especially when we're talking about isolated instances in a gaming market of a few million consumers.
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I just can never see myself ever getting that addicted to a game.. I admit I play a bit, but at least I go out and do stuff.. I would more rather play on the computer then watch tv while im at home. Its sad to think how some people, thats all they do.
Professor Hubert Farnsworth - That question is less stupid but, you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.