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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by Puremallace
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Puremallace

    The massive balls this guy has to say this crap and just pretend like Rift never happened is just amazing to me. Are devs just inside a little box where nothing gets in that is happening around them? Can ArenaNET please release this game already so that it can stop riding the hype train?

    I too would love it to release! Then the hype train will end and the maelstrom train will be gathering all of you haters and making believers of you! Go ahead and be one with the power of GW2!  muhahahaha!!!

    The issue the hype eventually comes full circle and ArenaNET is expected to deliver on these promises. I do not want to even touch the game right now because of the idiotic amount of hype. What is the point of joining a guild that may end up completely unsubbing due to lack of pve content or pvp with no point?

    What is the use of not playing. It's not a big deal, you are making this like it's some sort of life changing event. It's a video game. :) Relaxe and either play or not! :) I played the BWE and the last stress Monday and loved it. I understand how fun it is and if you don't it is ok. Press on with life and have fun!

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • CromicaCromica Member UncommonPosts: 657
    Originally posted by OldManFunk

     


    Originally posted by Puremallace

    Originally posted by Unlight I enjoy watching the haters rail futiley against this game.  Now that I've played it, I can sit comfortably back and watch their exasperated spittle fly while they work themselves into a hatefilled frenzy.  Keep it coming lads.  Your indignant howls buoy me.
    Will you be the first person to say "well it is Buy to play" what did you expect when they fail to deliver on these massive promises?
    They've already delivered. The game is every bit as good as they claim. Just accept it. They've won the Internet.

     

    I agree the beta version is already the best game I have played in the last 6 years

  • drakaenadrakaena Member UncommonPosts: 506

    Who cares who did it first. It's who does it best. And scripted events in GW2 is done so much better than in Rift that they aren't even comparable. 

    I remember pure mallice on the Rift forums during the beta stages. You were all about PvP. Wouldn't GW2 be more your flavor? Rift is a PvE game.

    I'll give you PvP in GW2 as of right now is a bit pointless. Damn fun, but pointless. But I have to believe rankings and a ladder system is coming.

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Puremallace
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by Puremallace

    The massive balls this guy has to say this crap and just pretend like Rift never happened is just amazing to me. Are devs just inside a little box where nothing gets in that is happening around them? Can ArenaNET please release this game already so that it can stop riding the hype train?

    I too would love it to release! Then the hype train will end and the maelstrom train will be gathering all of you haters and making believers of you! Go ahead and be one with the power of GW2!  muhahahaha!!!

    The issue the hype eventually comes full circle and ArenaNET is expected to deliver on these promises. I do not want to even touch the game right now because of the idiotic amount of hype. What is the point of joining a guild that may end up completely unsubbing due to lack of pve content or pvp with no point?

     

    I would encourage you to avoid words like "unsubbing" so that people don't attack your small mistakes rather than discussing with what you were trying to say.  I do too think that activity can become an issue if the game gets stale and boring after playing it for a month or two.  Can't really know how long people will be actively participating in World vs World without getting bored. 

    Isn't life great not knowing the future? :) I still get in and play WoWs Arathi Basin or Alterac Valley now and again when my subscription is running. The cool thing about GW2 is if I get bored of WvW I can do something else, then come back without worrying about a sub fee. Main thing to me in GW2 is the crafting and exploration though, PvP is a side perk

    Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by Puremallace
    Originally posted by Unlight

    I enjoy watching the haters rail futiley against this game.  Now that I've played it, I can sit comfortably back and watch their exasperated spittle fly while they work themselves into a hatefilled frenzy.  Keep it coming lads.  Your indignant howls buoy me.

    Will you be the first person to say "well it is Buy to play" what did you expect when they fail to deliver on these massive promises?

    Point you're missing. I've played. They already are delivering on their promises regarding the game. You need to give it a try. It may be the only way to keep your hate from consuming you.

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • HomituHomitu Member UncommonPosts: 2,030
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Homitu
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Homitu

    Oh look, a marketing director confidently marketing his game.  

    Your comment would be justified if he was exaggerating or saying outright lies like marketers can do, but how is Lye doing that, can you exemplify? 

    huh?  I think you think I'm saying something that I'm not.  Is marketing a derogatory word in your mind?

    Yeah, I usually assume that people use "marketing" in a derogatory sense, since they can use the word "informing" instead.  It is an interview after all, not a commercial. 

    Except that the official job title is "marketing director" not "informing director."  I wouldn't intentionally change the word even if I did supsect that it might carry a different connotation for some people :p  His job is to create a positive public image for his brand.  That's not a bad thing, assuming, of course, the brand lives up to the image created.  

  • OldManFunkOldManFunk Member Posts: 894


    Originally posted by Puremallace
    Originally posted by Amjoco Originally posted by Puremallace The massive balls this guy has to say this crap and just pretend like Rift never happened is just amazing to me. Are devs just inside a little box where nothing gets in that is happening around them? Can ArenaNET please release this game already so that it can stop riding the hype train?
    I too would love it to release! Then the hype train will end and the maelstrom train will be gathering all of you haters and making believers of you! Go ahead and be one with the power of GW2!  muhahahaha!!!
    The issue the hype eventually comes full circle and ArenaNET is expected to deliver on these promises. I do not want to even touch the game right now because of the idiotic amount of hype. What is the point of joining a guild that may end up completely unsubbing due to lack of pve content or pvp with no point?

    There's no subscription to GW2. I'd suggest reading the sticky at the top of the forum to learn more about the game.

    PvP with no point? What's that mean?

    If you're not going to touch the game because of hype then why are you here?

  • QuicklyScottQuicklyScott Member Posts: 433
    Originally posted by itgrowls

    (not directed at the OP but at the number of stupid responses i've seen to this post)

    GW2 doesn't have truly dynamic events?! LMAO! ROFLMAO! really, yeah i suppose you will tell me they don't have unique and fun to play combat system next. You naysayers really need to read more, let me introduce you to a little something called META events. And if you still come back saying it's not dynamic after that then you are in need of serious reading comprehension and definition tutors.

    GW2 is Rift all over again. HARDLY, I played Rift it is a lobby game and i like so many others are tired of just standing around in town waiting for a group to form to teleport off somewhere to do a dungeon. GW2 is nothing like this. If you wish to do a dungeon it's not REQUIRED because most of the content is in the open world.

     

    MODS i would suggest closing this thread as it's clearly filled with misinformation once again. People i guess just don't like to read anymore.

     

    Can you explain to me how, having an opinion on something which you don't agree with, is misinformation?

    So if I think the combat is bland, then I'm misinformed and haven't read up on it thoroughly?

    I also had to laugh while reading your second paragraph, you're attacking another game for being able to teleport off somewhere?  Yet that is most feasible way of travel in GW2. Also correct me if I am wrong but GW2 does not have an open world but is instead instanced, right?

    As for the OP - the dude is just marketing his game.  That is all.  This type of petty arrogance will not destroy a game, most people don't care what those people write.  It's Bioware type of arrogance which destroys games.

     The game will be a huge success regardless.

     

    On a side note, the more I read "dynamic events" the more incredibly pretentious it sounds.

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  • keinohrkeinohr Member Posts: 60
    Originally posted by Puremallace
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    The massive balls this guy has to say this crap and just pretend like Rift never happened is just amazing to me. Are devs just inside a little box where nothing gets in that is happening around them? Can ArenaNET please release this game already so that it can stop riding the hype train?

    Talking about arrogance. Do you remember the slogan "We're not in Azeroth anymore" or Paul Barnett?

  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652

    if rift is so innovative and great why are all the servers dead ? Rift was a wow clone in every design aspect even the rifts were nothing more then warhammer pqs with less variety. Now they are suddenly releasing 3 realm pvp in rift go figure..... The only thing rift is in need of now is about 5 or 6 more server merges for the few rabid fans they have left. 3 servers on medium all weekend long with one or two more spiking to medium at primetime....yeah Rift seems really really healthy.

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott

    On a side note, the more I read "dynamic events" the more incredibly pretentious it sounds.

    What would you call them then?

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott
    So if I think the combat is bland, then I'm misinformed and haven't read up on it thoroughly?

    I also had to laugh while reading your second paragraph, you're attacking another game for being able to teleport off somewhere?  Yet that is most feasible way of travel in GW2. Also correct me if I am wrong but GW2 does not have an open world but is instead instanced, right?

    As for the OP - the dude is just marketing his game.  That is all.  This type of petty arrogance will not destroy a game, most people don't care what those people write.  It's Bioware type of arrogance which destroys games.

     The game will be a huge success regardless.

     

    On a side note, the more I read "dynamic events" the more incredibly pretentious it sounds.

    Three words. Don't play then. :)  Have a nice day!

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  • OldManFunkOldManFunk Member Posts: 894


    Originally posted by QuicklyScott
    Originally posted by itgrowls (not directed at the OP but at the number of stupid responses i've seen to this post) GW2 doesn't have truly dynamic events?! LMAO! ROFLMAO! really, yeah i suppose you will tell me they don't have unique and fun to play combat system next. You naysayers really need to read more, let me introduce you to a little something called META events. And if you still come back saying it's not dynamic after that then you are in need of serious reading comprehension and definition tutors. GW2 is Rift all over again. HARDLY, I played Rift it is a lobby game and i like so many others are tired of just standing around in town waiting for a group to form to teleport off somewhere to do a dungeon. GW2 is nothing like this. If you wish to do a dungeon it's not REQUIRED because most of the content is in the open world.   MODS i would suggest closing this thread as it's clearly filled with misinformation once again. People i guess just don't like to read anymore.
     

    Can you explain to me how, having an opinion on something which you don't agree with, is misinformation?

    So if I think the combat is bland, then I'm misinformed and haven't read up on it thoroughly?

    I also had to laugh while reading your second paragraph, you're attacking another game for being able to teleport off somewhere?  Yet that is most feasible way of travel in GW2. Also correct me if I am wrong but GW2 does not have an open world but is instead instanced, right?

    As for the OP - the dude is just marketing his game.  That is all.  This type of petty arrogance will not destroy a game, most people don't care what those people write.  It's Bioware type of arrogance which destroys games.

     The game will be a huge success regardless.

     

    On a side note, the more I read "dynamic events" the more incredibly pretentious it sounds.



    Hope that helped.
  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Member UncommonPosts: 2,155
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott
    So if I think the combat is bland, then I'm misinformed and haven't read up on it thoroughly?

    I also had to laugh while reading your second paragraph, you're attacking another game for being able to teleport off somewhere?  Yet that is most feasible way of travel in GW2. Also correct me if I am wrong but GW2 does not have an open world but is instead instanced, right?

    As for the OP - the dude is just marketing his game.  That is all.  This type of petty arrogance will not destroy a game, most people don't care what those people write.  It's Bioware type of arrogance which destroys games.

     The game will be a huge success regardless.

     

    On a side note, the more I read "dynamic events" the more incredibly pretentious it sounds.

    Three words. Don't play then. :)  Have a nice day!

     

    Just because he dislikes some parts of the game, it doesn't mean the positive parts cannot outweight the negative ones and warrant a purchase. 

  • someforumguysomeforumguy Member RarePosts: 4,088

    "The global brand director' ? wth is that? Why do job positions in marketing always have such hollow titles? Anyway, marketing ppl only go 'blah blah blah blah blah blah' using a lot of hyperbole. But they are fairly harmless and are attracted to microphones. So just nod and say 'hmm' now and then, make sure the microphone has his attention and then slowly back away.

     

  • MindTriggerMindTrigger Member Posts: 2,596
    Originally posted by RebelScum99

    Well, I'll give you credit, you managed to make it until the very last paragraph before you mentioned Rift.  Btw...Rift is EXACTLY the type of cookie-cutter MMO he should be complaining about.  The only thing "revolutionary" that Rift brought to the genre were the Rifts, and they weren't implemented particularly well.  The rest of the game is a carbon copy of WoW, and has evolved into more of a lobby-based game than a true MMO.  

     

    I agree with this.  I don't see why some people want to make Rift sound like pure magic.  The Rifts are exciting for all of about 30 days, and then you get sick of them, or you join them as a perfunctory way to get loot.  They all feel exactly the same, and there's just nothing exciting about them IMO.

    I'm not going to argue for GW2 at this point, because it seems to be speaking for itself.

    However, I completely agree that the whole genre has been stagnant, and I've been saying that for years.  GW2 is about as much change as you can possibly put into a mainstream MMO, and keep people intersted.  It's going to be up to niche games to innovate further, IMO.  Games like ArchAge are doing so, unfortunately they haven't landed an NA publisher who has the balls to give it a try.

    As I said before, this industry has been overrun by robotic bean counters who only think about the bottom line.  That means turning out mouth-breather games that don't innovate.  The same thing is happening in the TV industry, and movies to some extent.  Money is the new Jesus, and it's only going to get worse as the United States continues converting to a Corporatocracy. 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy

    A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  • OldManFunkOldManFunk Member Posts: 894


    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Just because he dislikes some parts of the game, it doesn't mean the positive parts cannot outweight the negative ones and warrant a purchase. 
    That's absolutely true. I'm sure that even the haters will end up buying GW2 because all of their friends will be playing it.
  • ictownictown Member Posts: 123
    Originally posted by Puremallace

    Source: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/21/arenanet-guild-wars-2-a-reaction-to-sluggish-mmo-design/

    Do you believe that the MMO genre has been stuck in a rut over the past few years? So does Christopher Lye, the global brand director for ArenaNet, who publicly denounced the post-World of Warcraft trend in the industry as stagnant.

    In an interview with Gamasutra, Lye stated that Guild Wars 2 is walking the walk when it comes to genuinely challenging the status quo in the industry. "Honestly, I think the problem is that there's been a lack of change in MMO design and that Guild Wars 2 is a reaction to that," he said. "People will call this risky, but we think it's riskier just to churn out the same MMO that everyone has played before."

    Lye pointed to Guild Wars 2's scaling dynamic event system and its action combat as examples as to how ArenaNet is forging its own path. Observing that player consumption of content is "virtually insatiable," Lye said that the team has developed tools to allow it to implement changes and additions to dynamic events in hours, not weeks.

    Is this industry stagnation coming to an end? Lye says yes: "We're finally seeing a point where companies realize that they're not going to create the next great MMO by just copying what's come before."

     

     

    The massive balls this guy has to say this crap and just pretend like Rift never happened is just amazing to me. Are devs just inside a little box where nothing gets in that is happening around them? Can ArenaNET please release this game already so that it can stop riding the hype train?

    ooohh its a pure arrogant microsoft, apple, intel, and many many business market their products.

    is it arrogance for apple to change the paradigm of mp3 players 10 or so years ago?

    and he's not wrong about mmo's being stagnant

  • lilHealalilHeala Member UncommonPosts: 522
    Originally posted by Puremallace

    The massive balls this guy has to say this crap and just pretend like Rift never happened is just amazing to me. Are devs just inside a little box where nothing gets in that is happening around them? Can ArenaNET please release this game already so that it can stop riding the hype train?

    Rift started development in 2006 and GW2 in 2007. Because during that first year of development Rift was still pretty much covered under blankets, I don't think Anet "copied" or stole anything if that's what you're getting at.

    Also the rifts and invasions in Rift aren't implemented that well and are more of a sideshow to the boring generic quest system and staple gear progression dungeon / raid / PvP grind. DE's aren't the backbone of the content / game like it is in GW2 and because everything else is so generic themepark mmo about the game, it's actually one of the games the Anet guy you linked to is rightfully talking about.

  • TwoThreeFourTwoThreeFour Member UncommonPosts: 2,155
    Originally posted by OldManFunk

     


    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Just because he dislikes some parts of the game, it doesn't mean the positive parts cannot outweight the negative ones and warrant a purchase. 

    That's absolutely true. I'm sure that even the haters will end up buying GW2 because all of their friends will be playing it.

     

     

    Which leads us to a philosophical question: if you dislike certain parts of the game, but like other ones to the extent that you even buy the game, are you still a hater XD?

  • cougheecoughee Member Posts: 28
    Originally posted by Maephisto
    Originally posted by DarkPony

    Well, at least he didn't say "paradigm shift". That accounts for something.

     

    Dark Pony ..... this is what I think of your witty, "im sitting on the fence" comments.


    [mod edit]

     

    It's getting old.

    haha - you sir, have made my day.

  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott
    So if I think the combat is bland, then I'm misinformed and haven't read up on it thoroughly?

    I also had to laugh while reading your second paragraph, you're attacking another game for being able to teleport off somewhere?  Yet that is most feasible way of travel in GW2. Also correct me if I am wrong but GW2 does not have an open world but is instead instanced, right?

    As for the OP - the dude is just marketing his game.  That is all.  This type of petty arrogance will not destroy a game, most people don't care what those people write.  It's Bioware type of arrogance which destroys games.

     The game will be a huge success regardless.

     

    On a side note, the more I read "dynamic events" the more incredibly pretentious it sounds.

    Three words. Don't play then. :)  Have a nice day!

     

    Just because he dislikes some parts of the game, it doesn't mean the positive parts cannot outweight the negative ones and warrant a purchase. 

    His decision. :) I suggest if someone doesn't like it they don't play then. 

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  • WolvardsWolvards Member Posts: 650
    Originally posted by QuicklyScott
    Originally posted by itgrowls

    (not directed at the OP but at the number of stupid responses i've seen to this post)

    GW2 doesn't have truly dynamic events?! LMAO! ROFLMAO! really, yeah i suppose you will tell me they don't have unique and fun to play combat system next. You naysayers really need to read more, let me introduce you to a little something called META events. And if you still come back saying it's not dynamic after that then you are in need of serious reading comprehension and definition tutors.

    GW2 is Rift all over again. HARDLY, I played Rift it is a lobby game and i like so many others are tired of just standing around in town waiting for a group to form to teleport off somewhere to do a dungeon. GW2 is nothing like this. If you wish to do a dungeon it's not REQUIRED because most of the content is in the open world.

     

    MODS i would suggest closing this thread as it's clearly filled with misinformation once again. People i guess just don't like to read anymore.

     

    Can you explain to me how, having an opinion on something which you don't agree with, is misinformation?

    So if I think the combat is bland, then I'm misinformed and haven't read up on it thoroughly?

    I also had to laugh while reading your second paragraph, you're attacking another game for being able to teleport off somewhere?  Yet that is most feasible way of travel in GW2. Also correct me if I am wrong but GW2 does not have an open world but is instead instanced, right?

    As for the OP - the dude is just marketing his game.  That is all.  This type of petty arrogance will not destroy a game, most people don't care what those people write.  It's Bioware type of arrogance which destroys games.

     The game will be a huge success regardless.

     

    On a side note, the more I read "dynamic events" the more incredibly pretentious it sounds.

    Couple things real quick...

    DE is half true half wrong, while they aren't entirely "Dynamic", the series of events happens rather randomly, and with or without play interaction... So yes and no they are "Dynamic"...

    Teleport... Only things you can teleport to immediately are the main cities, and to Lion's arch? the portal to WvW and stuff... Everything else you have to run and find it first, activate it, then you can teleport there, so you do have to explore. Which the worlds are pretty large, so it will take some time, i'm thinking a Warhorn will help with speed for this haha.

    Instanced... Every game has instances, instance is every group gets their own "Shard". Their own version of that dungeon/whatever, Yes GW2 has these, but they also have non-instanced caves/dungeons scattered across the world, which more times than not have a DE (i know "Dynamic Event" but thats what they are called haha) in there that has a final boss to kill, so it's more an open world dungeon, but it's hidden, there isn't a "Cave of blah blah blah" here sign on your map.

     

    And i agree on "Dynamic Events". I love this game, but to say those events are truely dynamic in my opinion is just marketing.. I do think they are an awesome change up to basic quests though :) And WvW, the life of this game! My personal opinion that is.

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