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  • p_c_sousap_c_sousa Member Posts: 620
    Originally posted by david361107

    just a little background on me. Played WOW for 6 years but ended that this year, been in aoc, war, aion and swtor. PVP in a lot of those games were good, wow has a good feel, war did also. Now here is my problem with what im hearing, understand i just heard this on a video i was watching about GW2 pvp. Like star wars I've heard GW2 will be jumping your toon up to level 80 for every PVP match? For one i hope this isn't true because that was a big stupid step for star wars too. If this is the case I will not buy or ever play GW2. I don't mind if i'm 8 levels below someone and they kill me, at least they kill me and not some made up level of me. I wouldn't even know how to play a level 80 if i was say level 20 and got bumped up. Its one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard of. MMO's need to stop trying to make everyone feel so good about themselves and let them get pissed a little. Yes you get mad at the level 80 that ganks you at level 10. But what that does is make you want to be 80 so bad and find them again that you stay up all night drinking dews and eatting carbs just to get close to that goal. this hand holding BS makes GW2 fail before it's even launched,  very sad if it's true.

    im gonna try explanation (forgive my bad english). first the game dont have world open pvp but have 2 types of pvp : structured PvP (sPvP) and World vs World vs World (WvW).

    sPvP:

    - you  can join from lvl1 and your lvl will go up to 80 

    - you unlock all traits points, all weapons and all skills

    - you will not use your PvE armour

    -  armour is equal to everyone  but exist amulets / jewels / runes /sigil / weapons /traits so stats will be diferent to everyone depend what you want, but you dont get the brutal advantage from gear like in other MMORPG. here what count is the skill of player 

    - you will be on a team and the first reach 500 points will win. you have many forms to win points but the principal is conquer some places around map

     

    WvW:

    -you can join from lvl1 and you will lvl up to 80

    - you will not unlock anything, what you have on PvE is what you got on WvW

    - you will use your PvE armour

    - isnt suppose to be balanced fights like on sPvP 

    - for conquer points read gw2 wiki that is excelent 

     

    hope this help something. xD

  • MeowheadMeowhead Member UncommonPosts: 3,716
    Originally posted by david361107

    What i wanted at first was to know if what i heard was true, that gw2 bumped you up to level 80 to pvp with. level or gear pvp is no different in the end. all players are 80 and in time they have their gear sets. what gw2 is doing is just taking out that work to a goal thing, which i don't like. I think it took a little time but i have my answer and thank you to all that responded.

     

    The ultimate goal in structured PvP is to win enough you can get in on that sweet annual tournament cash prize.  This is a goal most people will never be able to reach.  We're talking about something that 99.99%+ of people will never have.

    You're not competing for something lame like higher gear that lets you roflstomp your opponents, that will be outdated in a few months anyway...

    ... you're competing to be the best.  Or at least, to be better than you were.  Honestly, ANYBODY can grind out some good gear for PvP, given enough time.

    The amount of practice and dedication it takes to be a winner is on a completely different scale.

    So there's a goal, it's just the bar is set way higher. :(

  • david361107david361107 Member UncommonPosts: 279
    Originally posted by Kreedz

    @OP

    There is structured PvP where your character is boosted to level 80 with all skills unlocked, and all gear is normalized, but you can still customize it to the stats you prefer. Everyone has access to everything.

    WvW on the other hand only raises your Health to that of a level 80, but you are only able to use skills and traits you have available to your characters ACTUAL level.

     

    But from the sounds of it, you just seem to be a Ganker.

    Sorry but PvE and PvP are seperated, no killing or disrupting peoples enjoyment of the game.

     

    I wish you all the best in your WoW Career though.

     

    i understand now how this works in GW2. No i'm not a ganker, never have been. I just see no point in pvp with the format GW2 has. If everyone is the same all the time then other than the fun of killing and being killed, whats the point. and as i stated before, again, i no long play wow so that career is over :)

     

  • p_c_sousap_c_sousa Member Posts: 620
    Originally posted by david361107
    Originally posted by Kreedz

    @OP

    There is structured PvP where your character is boosted to level 80 with all skills unlocked, and all gear is normalized, but you can still customize it to the stats you prefer. Everyone has access to everything.

    WvW on the other hand only raises your Health to that of a level 80, but you are only able to use skills and traits you have available to your characters ACTUAL level.

     

    But from the sounds of it, you just seem to be a Ganker.

    Sorry but PvE and PvP are seperated, no killing or disrupting peoples enjoyment of the game.

     

    I wish you all the best in your WoW Career though.

     

    i understand now how this works in GW2. No i'm not a ganker, never have been. I just see no point in pvp with the format GW2 has. If everyone is the same all the time then other than the fun of killing and being killed, whats the point. and as i stated before, again, i no long play wow so that career is over :)

     

    the fun is that you win because you are the best team, you win because your team is more skilled than the other. what more fun you want on PvP? 

    on open world pvp you can kill a lot of people and play very bad, just need the best armour/weapon.

  • StrixMaximaStrixMaxima Member UncommonPosts: 865

    The point is fun and experimentation. You are 80, but you have SEVERAL different builds that allow you to do very different things. Depending on profession, you can swap weapons on the fly, allowing a Warrior, for example, to quickly switch from a Greatsword to a Gun if he thinks that range is more important at that moment. Everyone has different layers of skills, distances, utility and DPS.

    It is much more than a simple skill rotation or burning cooldowns (although you can do that, too, but at your own peril.

    Summing up, the point of GW2 is pitting players against each other to have fun, while givint them the flexibility to do what they want. If you want long-term PvP, join WvWvW, where you can try to be the top server, or you can ally with other server to vanquish the current top dog. If you want instant gratification, join the Battlegrounds, where you will be put into a Domination map with 4 other mates to controll the points and do a small scale combat.

    Seriously, you'd be much better off trying to understand the game by playin it when by watching videos and comparing GW2 to other MMOs. This is where the game shines: breaking off the old moulds and trying to present players a different MMO experience.

    And I agree with what other poster said: TERA might be more suitable for your tastes, it seems.

  • ThemehosptalThemehosptal Member Posts: 48

    he's basically trolling. he could've gotten all the information he wanted if he took a minute and used google or read the sticky posts. nobody can be this fucking stupid. 

  • Mors-SubitaMors-Subita Member UncommonPosts: 517
    Originally posted by Themehosptal

     nobody can be this fucking stupid. 

    He played wow for 6 years...

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  • DkompozeDkompoze Member UncommonPosts: 245

    no mater who types what the OP is going to find what he thinks is the negative and hes going to use that as his argument until he finds something else that he considers negative.

    From the first post he made he sounds like his mind was made up. The facts of pvp have been given  5 times or so in this thread with some opinions to go along with it and he still doesnt like it,so i think GW2 is just not for him.

    Rift has some ok pvp and i hear its getting better,OP you may wanna try that game instead of GW2.

  • ThemehosptalThemehosptal Member Posts: 48
    Originally posted by Mors-Subita
    Originally posted by Themehosptal

     nobody can be this fucking stupid. 

    He played wow for 6 years...

  • QuenchsterQuenchster Member Posts: 450

    Twinks won't like this game.

  • madjonNZmadjonNZ Member Posts: 143

    seriously OP you should try this game, your gonna love it...

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  • joocheesejoocheese Member Posts: 845
    Originally posted by Themehosptal

    he's basically trolling. he could've gotten all the information he wanted if he took a minute and used google or read the sticky posts. nobody can be this fucking stupid. 

    I understand if people have read up on the information easily available online and then have further questions about it. But to skip the entire process of checking things for yourself and just asking obvious questions here is... in the words of Themehosptal.. fucking stupid.

    He obviously does not like GW2's pvp; Even though he quit WOW, he could (prob should) resub and go back to grinding

  • bookworm438bookworm438 Member Posts: 647
    Originally posted by david361107

    Just a little background on me:

    Played WOW for 6 years but ended that this year, been in aoc, war, aion and swtor. PVP in a lot of those games were good, wow has a good feel, war did also.

    Now here is my problem with what im hearing, understand i just heard this on a video i was watching about GW2 pvp. Like star wars I've heard GW2 will be jumping your toon up to level 80 for every PVP match? For one i hope this isn't true because that was a big stupid step for star wars too. If this is the case I will not buy or ever play GW2. Um... ok? Hope you find a game that you like.

    I don't mind if i'm 8 levels below someone and they kill me, at least they kill me and not some made up level of me. Whether you're level 20 or 80, dead is dead. The only difference is one you have no chance of fighting back, the other you actually have a chance to fight back.

    I wouldn't even know how to play a level 80 if i was say level 20 and got bumped up. Its one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard of.  So...you can't practice on the NPCs they have in the mists and learn your skills? You can't practice with your guild and learn strategies and new techniques? Those profession NPCs they have in the mists have very good AI.

    MMO's need to stop trying to make everyone feel so good about themselves and let them get pissed a little.

    Yes you get mad at the level 80 that ganks you at level 10. But what that does is make you want to be 80 so bad and find them again that you stay up all night drinking dews and eatting carbs just to get close to that goal. Doesn't sound very healthy. Also some players have jobs and a life, so we can't be staying up all night and eating junk food. In fact, I don't even think some of the older players could handle doing that anymore... Remember, you aren't the only one playing the MMO. Just because you can spend all the time and sacrifice your job and/or school work to do this doesn't mean everyone else can.

    this hand holding BS makes GW2 fail before it's even launched,  very sad if it's true.

    You do realize that just you don't like it doesn't make GW2 instantly 'fail'. Also can you define what failure means? GW2 has already sold at least 100,000+ copies, and it's not even released. 100,000 at $60 a box (not including Euro which is more than here in the US) is equal to $6,000,000 in revenue. This is so far. I'm gonna guesstimate at least another 50,000-100,000 in pre-orders, so on release that will be at least another 600,000-6,000,000. I would say this game is far from failure, just saying. 

    Also hand-holding? What? I would say the inability to hide the fact that you suck at your class behind your uber hat of death is the opposite of hand-holding. It'll be blatantly obvious if you don't know what you are doing, since you can't actually rely on someone undergeared to get kills. 

    So you're telling me that I can't get pissed when someone beats me when gear is normalized across all professions? If anything, I can get more pissed (the good kind of pissed) AND actually be able to get payback (unless I suck at my class). You won't be getting the annoyed pissed off because someone beat you merely because they have better gear. 

    If you are looking for a game where gear makes the difference in PvP, GW2 is not for you. Sorry, that's not going to change. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it'll fail, or that the game sucks. If you want gear progression PvP may I direct you to the 20 other MMOs on the market. 

    Finally, the most important part of this post: LINEBREAKS! PARAGRAPHS! Use them!

  • ValkaernValkaern Member UncommonPosts: 497
    Originally posted by david361107

    thats called auto target, not skill, sorry about that ;(

    If you've come to the conclusion that pointing at your target requires so much skill, in an MMO setting no less, that it trumps smart positioning and skill use, you might want to look elsewhere. GW2 doesn't really seem interested in challenging anyones ability to point (you do have the option to fire without a target, which is useful for getting more exact control with cone abilities though, but that's just an option).

    That was one thing that always confused me about Tera, people seemed to be under the impression that because it required you to point at a guy less than 20 feet away instead of tab targetting it took skill. I found that which abilities I used and when were way more important than my (apparently god like) ability to point. Pointing is such a base motor skill check it's hard to imagine anyone failing at it. 

    Also, you mentioned you wouldnt know how to play if you were bumped up to 80. That doesn't make sense as you'd be using the exact same skills you had PvEing at your level - nothing changes there for WvW. 

    All in all, I'd say you should stay away from GW2. It's a great game, but if you're still not understanding it with all the info out there and with all the times people corrected your misconceptions, you're inevitably going to spend a lot of time struggling to figure out what's going on.

     

  • Man you guys sure are easy to troll.

  • vojkan95vojkan95 Member Posts: 104
    Originally posted by david361107

    just a little background on me. Played WOW for 6 years but ended that this year, been in aoc, war, aion and swtor. PVP in a lot of those games were good, wow has a good feel, war did also. Now here is my problem with what im hearing, understand i just heard this on a video i was watching about GW2 pvp. Like star wars I've heard GW2 will be jumping your toon up to level 80 for every PVP match? For one i hope this isn't true because that was a big stupid step for star wars too. If this is the case I will not buy or ever play GW2. I don't mind if i'm 8 levels below someone and they kill me, at least they kill me and not some made up level of me. I wouldn't even know how to play a level 80 if i was say level 20 and got bumped up. Its one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard of. MMO's need to stop trying to make everyone feel so good about themselves and let them get pissed a little. Yes you get mad at the level 80 that ganks you at level 10. But what that does is make you want to be 80 so bad and find them again that you stay up all night drinking dews and eatting carbs just to get close to that goal. this hand holding BS makes GW2 fail before it's even launched,  very sad if it's true.

    ..... its Skill Game  you know ?

  • KaledusKaledus Member Posts: 73

    Ever play an FPS game OP? That is essentially what GW2 Pvp emulates.. All about skill, not about the gear and level. FPS = true pvp.

  • grimm6thgrimm6th Member Posts: 973
    Originally posted by david361107

    just a little background on me. Played WOW for 6 years but ended that this year, been in aoc, war, aion and swtor. PVP in a lot of those games were good, wow has a good feel, war did also. Now here is my problem with what im hearing, understand i just heard this on a video i was watching about GW2 pvp. Like star wars I've heard GW2 will be jumping your toon up to level 80 for every PVP match? For one i hope this isn't true because that was a big stupid step for star wars too. If this is the case I will not buy or ever play GW2. I don't mind if i'm 8 levels below someone and they kill me, at least they kill me and not some made up level of me. I wouldn't even know how to play a level 80 if i was say level 20 and got bumped up. Its one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard of. MMO's need to stop trying to make everyone feel so good about themselves and let them get pissed a little. Yes you get mad at the level 80 that ganks you at level 10. But what that does is make you want to be 80 so bad and find them again that you stay up all night drinking dews and eatting carbs just to get close to that goal. this hand holding BS makes GW2 fail before it's even launched,  very sad if it's true.

    So...what do you LIKE about PvP?  I know I like PvP because it is fun and I like making builds for PvP.

    Also, GW2 is aiming to be an eSport, so boosting everyone up to level 80 for PvP matches makes total sense.

    Additionally, it seems your motivation for leveling (and PvE in general) is so that you you can kill players who ganked you, thus starting a vicious cycle of ganking.

    Lastly, how is jumping into PvP and getting your a** handed to you because you don't have a clue what to do "hand holding"?  I mean, it isn't like it takes all that long to learn how to play, it just takes a bit of face-in-dirt learning to get the hang of your class and how to fight other players.  Then it takes a but of thinking about how you want to work with your team to beat the other team (PvP is team based, and killing other players is not the primary objective.  This means that builds with lots of support and control are pretty useful)

     

    Maybe the only way you are going to "get it" is if you get the game and play PvP for a while (you can just start PvPing after the tutorial if you wish.

    I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.

  • angrymimeangrymime Member Posts: 154
    Originally posted by david361107

    just a little background on me. Played WOW for 6 years but ended that this year, been in aoc, war, aion and swtor. PVP in a lot of those games were good, wow has a good feel, war did also. Now here is my problem with what im hearing, understand i just heard this on a video i was watching about GW2 pvp. Like star wars I've heard GW2 will be jumping your toon up to level 80 for every PVP match? For one i hope this isn't true because that was a big stupid step for star wars too. If this is the case I will not buy or ever play GW2. I don't mind if i'm 8 levels below someone and they kill me, at least they kill me and not some made up level of me. I wouldn't even know how to play a level 80 if i was say level 20 and got bumped up. Its one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard of. MMO's need to stop trying to make everyone feel so good about themselves and let them get pissed a little. Yes you get mad at the level 80 that ganks you at level 10. But what that does is make you want to be 80 so bad and find them again that you stay up all night drinking dews and eatting carbs just to get close to that goal. this hand holding BS makes GW2 fail before it's even launched,  very sad if it's true.

     

    here is the problem with what im hearing, i just heard that you played wow for 6 years that ended this year.  for one, i hope that this isn't true because that would be a big stupid step. in this case you should not buy or ever play GW2. you cannot be killed by made up level of you and you wouldn't know how to play a level 80 if you got bumped.  it's a stupidest ideas trying to play gw2 where you feel good and dont get pissed a little getting ganked by level 80 that ganks you at level 10. this hand holding bs makes GW2 not your game and you will fail to find a game that suits you better than wow.  so if you really left wow, very sad if it's true.

     

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