Originally posted by lethallizard WoW seems exactly like GW wats the difference in game paly?
Wow is more like the EQ2 style games where you are presented with a universe (or world) tha tis teaming with quests, items, etc.
You explore the world with friends, do raid bosses I suppose to some pvp ... EQ2 is adding it and WoW just added it.
With Guild Wars, though there are quests cities etc, the whole world is instanced. Except fo rthe cities and towns. You can meet people in the towns and group with them but once you enter the world it is just you and your group (or you solo or with npc henchman).
You can die without dropping items and you get a slight decrease in effectiveness up to a maximum... can't remember if it is -40 or what. If you choose to return to town (which is instant and with no fees... just bring up the map... pick which city or town and you go there.) then any death penalty is immediatly wiped clean.
What's more, the cities and towns also have multiple copies to keep the population down to appropriate lvls. Remember... everyone can theoretically meet anyone so there are a lot of people. So.. you can be in the city of Kryta but your buddy can be in zone #2 of Kryta. Easy enough.. pull down the menu and pick the appropriate one you want to be in.
Now.. with GW, there is one main quest that runs through it. This is the way to lvl if you decide to pick the lvl 1 "RPG" character. I know that they changed the pvp arenas so I don't know if you get xp anymore for that.
Along the way you lvl, pick up skills, equipment (which is easy to come by) and when you feel like it yoiu can do the arena pvp. For guilds there seems to be a ladder you can compete in with regards to certain arenas. Or... you can just do a "pick up" arena, get matched with several strangers and have at it.
In the end this game is more like Diablo where there is a main PvE game with the idea of getting ot lvl 20 and competing in the arenas.
That's about it. Once you play through the quest once or twice the only thing to do is the PvP. I feel it is the best out there with regard to speed, skills, changing your skills to fit your character, etc.
Hardcore players might not like it and those who play Quake 3 might not like it as the game really isn't "hardcore" (no ganking, looting, penalites etc) and not a non stop frag fest like Quake 3 or Unreal tournement... especially since you do have some lvling and you do need to search for certain elite skills.
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ugh...im no longer a WoW fan...and i gotto say GW is acutally...a 4/10 MMO. I wouldnt call it a MMORPG I mean its only a MMO...so why would they make it the top of the list if its just some MMO which is nothing like any MMORPG. Im not saying its because its free...I mean Knight online is better then this crap. Even tho GW has better graphics I mean theres actually free monthly payed MMORPG's then a free monthly payed MMO. Theres pleanty of MMO's that are no monthly charge.
Originally posted by lethallizard help!!!!!!! i was really looking forward to buying it but now i read all this tpoic and most people thinks its a shit game, so its making me not want to buy it. i thought it was a mmorpg, u play it online and u can pvp and pve. the only mmorpg ive played are rubies of eventide and i thought that was amazing, so is it better than that, cus if so, im buying it. oh and is there a monthly subsription, cus im not gonna pay that.
You don't know people in forum so why think his comment is important? He may 9 year old children that just want to flame the other games (Not all, some professional comment but most aren't).
All are reviews from professional gamer (at least their dedicated enough to have games site). Love it or hate it but Gw still great game from professional rating. Just dont trust people that flame any games and give something like 1/10 rating, just shown their ego and brain ages.
IMO all flaming threads should be moved to general discussion , off topic or spaming area
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OMG i found this in PCmagazine review
This MMORPG caters to the action gamer, with role-playing elements eclipsed by the emphasis on hack-and-slash missions. Log on, warp to a waypoint, and complete one of the missions (created only for you) by the time you've finished your lunch break. The highly organized player-versus-player environment makes Guild Wars a serious alternative to the disappointing slugfests of the genre's leader, World of Warcraft.
Originally posted by jomargue Yesterday I decided to buy a serial for this game after having played WOW and L2 for months... man I feel so ripped off. Thats gotta be the 40 worst spend in my whole life. Once u log in u are taken to a main screen where u can choose to play the game from lvl 1 or jus start the PvP stuff at highest lvl (20) . I decided to try the lvl 1 thingy... man I havent felt so bored in a mmorpg in my life. At lvl 5 I was totally discouraged and disappointed. All u do is follow stupid childish repetititve quests that get boring after 30 min. The graphics are bad, u cant jump of cliffs, go up hills, nothing u can just follow the path or u get blocked. Community is non existant as everything in this game is instanced, so dont expect to play with ur friends. After this 1st horrible experienced I logged out and decided to try the max lvl PvP option. After customizing my character I entered in the arena where grps of 4 ppl fight each other till death. Funny .... till u ve done ur 10th fight then it just gets boring All in all I found this game a big rip off tbh
1. It's childish bcz you are still in pre searing, later, post searing, is when the real game begins. 2. It's not bad graphic, maybee you should check you'r eyes? 3. PvP character is only for playing PvP, that's why you get the LvL 20 char first. 4. In PvP it's all about experience, and what you tell, you don't gott any experience. So that's explains why you thinkt it's boring, you don't have a clue what spells that's great or isn't good. 5. This game is not a rip off, it's only you that don't can handle the truth about you being a n00b. So stop and start playing.
i agree with u shib.....it is how u appreciate the game....if u know how to appreciate a certain game u wont noticed that u are starting to love the game...
hm... ive read this whole thing and was confused as to which game to pick cause im going to pick one tommorow at the store so... if anyone had advice on one to pick they can post here again and tell me if i pick guildwars can someone help me out? but if i pick wow can someone help me out and by the way im 12 yrs old
A lot of valid points in this thread if you care to sift them out, and a lot of close-minded bitterness as well.
I am a long-time MMO junkie, played EQ for a very very long time, have dabbled in just about every game out there from DaOC to CoH. I am currently a WoW and EQ2 subscriber, and will save the comparisons of those two games for another forum.
I personally find WoW to be the most polished and deep game out there right now, to fit the MMO/Raiding space but it does get boring running MC over and over and right now there is not a huge amount of end-game content. So I bought Guildwars to be an alternate to WoW/EQ2 after reading all the amazing reviews.
Well, my first impression of the game was somewhat similar to those who are bashing on this thread I went in with expectations of it to fit a particular mold (EQ, WoW) and was severley dissapointed. The inability to navigate obsitacles, linear play style and lack of trade skills turned me off right away. I did think the Graphics were hot, and the Necromancer class (which was lacking from WoW) was fun (summon up armies from your fallen foes) but overall was disapointed and put it away for a while (although did not feel compelled to come and bash the game anywhere) I honestly did not understand how it got its high marks.
But recently I got the itch to play the game again, and started up a few new chars, I went in simply looking for something to do and stopped trying to compare it to the other games I was playing. And suprise surprise, somehow I ended up loving the game. I tried a few different class combinations and was mostly playing team with my wife (whos PC is right next to me and plays WoW with me as well). somehow I got drawn in and forgot about the shortcomings and just started having fun.
The graphics are absoultey beautiful, (better than WoW or EQ2 in my opinion) and the animation/combat offers a lot of unique twists if you can get past its differences. I find that the spells and abilities in the game are quite unique and the 8-slot limit makes for a lot of strategy type decisions. Instead of the same old .. does x pts of fire damage, heals you for x pts. These spells have unique and interesting effects.
I realize that the PvE portion of the game will dry itself up much sooner than I want, but I explored all of the quests out in the Pre-searing and working on post now, I found the battles to be fast paced and exiting now that im into it. It certainly doesnt replace WoW or EQ2 for me, but its a lot of fun to play and breaks up the monotony of raiding all the time.
This game is not for everyone, and if you are intent on comparing it to WoW or EQ you will be dissapointed. But Give it a shot on its own terms, and enjoy what it has to offer, and you may end up loving it like I did,
Hmmm, it took me months to decide should i get Guild Wars. Some replies in this thread is were the work of blind gamers. Those rants written by other gamers ISNT THE ONE YOU SHOULD READ!.
As quoted from PC Gamer UK : Guild Wars IS NOT A GAME FOR EVERYONE. So make sure you choose your game correctly BEFORE FLAMING it.. keep some reputation and respect to yourself. Be shameful flamers!
You bought the game and dont like it, its your fault. Screenshots impress you, cause you are too dumb to trust visuals than gameplay.
I am a WoW fan, played WoW more than other games till Guild Wars took over my time. I have much better time management since then. So in other words, i hate WoW.. this mean, not all WoW fans love WoW
Ok, back to the thread starter post. Accoding to what he say GW sucks since he just experienced the pre-searing part..He is more like a frog in the well.. seeing the world from the well is like him playing GW in the newbie land.
At least guildwars has a damn story line, its not just 2 million morons running around 2 differents worlds. Face it, Guildwars is better then WOW, its the best mmorpg out ther (or corpg). Seriously, warcraft fan art is better drawn then the damn warcraft graphics. WOW was good, until GW came.
Originally posted by Kirilenko53 At least guildwars has a damn story line, its not just 2 million morons running around 2 differents worlds. Face it, Guildwars is better then WOW, its the best mmorpg out ther (or corpg). Seriously, warcraft fan art is better drawn then the damn warcraft graphics. WOW was good, until GW came.
Ok ive been a supporter of Guild Wars because I like it, and its different but this statement is just silly. While I wont argue about the morons part because there are a lot of them in WoW( mainly because there are huge numbers of peopel in WoW, so the law of averages plays out. In GW you are mostly isolated from others so the effects of morons not as easily seen)
Really we all know GW and WoW dont even fit the same game space so comparing them to each other is pointless. (it's like comparing EQ to Diablo, or a Sci fi movie to a football game, there are fans of each)
WoW does have a storyline if you choose to follow it.. and the graphical sytle is really a matter of preference, WoW has very polished graphics. Guild Wars has absolutley beautiful graphics. If you are into the MMORPG thing and want free exploration, raiding, crafting etc... then WoW is for you. If you want an action corpg with sweet graphics and a linear console-style story-line, without the huge time requirements and monthly fees then GW is for you.
The are both good games in their own respects, comparing them to each other is stupid.
I know how you feel. Guild wars is accually not a bad mmorpg though. You are just oriented on the level up and battling monsters (PvE). This mmorpg is based on PvP, if you just played the beginning, you probably did not experience the whole game.
Also, the people at turbine have spent a lot of time creating this game, and without monthly fees!! You can at least respect them enough to tell your opinions in a polite way.
Originally posted by Josher One thing I've learned from MMORPG message boards is that AC fans for some reason are very hostile. People overly obsessed with immersion in a videogame ussually are the same. Also, when I mentioned any 6 yr old can have an opinion , it was a metaphor, not a personal attack. You're attacking people in almost every post. My opinion is only backed up by a lot of subscribers and shared amongst websites and reveiws. Its only the MMORPG elite, the jaded and burned out that seem to have MAJOR issues with WOW. I just question why you're forced to use features from multiple VERY low population, niche or failed titles to prove a point about innovation? Everyone can like what they like, but 1 feature that might be well done doesn't matter when the game just isn't very good as a whole. SB had great ideas that crumbled under horrible implimentation. PvP in a point and click interface? What is this, 1997? PLayers warned them in beta that it would cause major problems. Horizons also had great ideas that never works well at all and will follow AC2 on the chopping block sooner or later. SB probably won't be far behind. Ryzome?? Too much bad to cover up whatever it does well. Eve is too slow, tedious and boring to attract anyone not interested in sacrificing their lives. AC's combat system was made mostly pointless knowing that most of the population cheats or quickly jiggling your character back and forth causes latency issues, negating any benefit the battle system has. Grouping was also almost obsolete. Besides, the animation was/is laughable, the graphics are the same and its skill system is horribly imbalanced requiring uber templates and boting so you don't get steamroled. Low, medium and high don't matter when its flawed at the core, and again, most people left for greener pastures a long time ago. So, an innovative and battle system was created and dismissed as very few really cared for it due to bad implimentation. If it was really that great, would'nt more people have played it? Does it matter how well a car drives if it stalls most of the time you pull it out of the driveway? No, you simply stop driving, return it as a lemon and buy another car. If WOWs combat feels the same, well I guess every FPS's combat feels the same and every sports game plays the same also? All cars must drive the same, too since you just turn a wheel and step on the gass? Great logic. Its in the implimentation, cohesion and flow and if you can't see where WOW improves on the point and click, then thats your loss, or you don't have enough experience in the game. Little things like the Warrior charge/intercept and how well totems are implimented and even the Warlock stone system are pretty innovative. The number of options most classes have is much greater than other MMORPGs. Throw in enchants, potions, scrolls, trinkets, engineered items, food, drink, bandages, and switching weapons in combat and youve got LOADS of options. I wish MMORPGs could be more twitchy and interactive but developers have to work within limitations. EQ2's animated NPCs were nifty. Did it get old? Yup. So you hate the markers for WOW quest NPCs? I thought it was odd also, but I understood their purpose. Over time I appreciated the feature. Many do. Its one of the applauded features in most non-jaded reviews. Blizzard didn't want to waste all their time making so many quests only for them to be skipped over by too many people because they didn't know which NPCs to go to. Thats what woul've happened you know. Or I guess Blizzard wanted to force people to go to FAQ sites just to know where the quests are? You call the markers BAD implimentation. I call them an innovation that brought over 2 million subscribers to a genre that was never even notcied before. All this innovation in other games somehow attracted all these gamers...or not? Very few played MMORPGs before WOW. WOW hasn't succeeded on name alone. Its doing well because its getting the best reviews in magazines, looks great, plays great and has good word of mouth. No one is going around saying "BUY RYZOME" or AC2 or ShadowBane. Why not? I'm sorry you feel that anything positive Blizzard has done here "is not the point." Bashing is akin to mindless criticsm without anything to back it up. Isn't THE POINT, WOW doesn't really do anything bad? How many other MMORPGs can you actually say that about. It might not unreasonably innovate like some gamers wish, but like in another thread, innovation sometimes is the fastest way to remove yourself from the marketplace. How many MMORPG have some major bad points that turn people off immediately? The only things found BAD about WOW seem to be from jaded gamers who think anything NOT innovative is somehow bad. Heres a short list. WOW is bad because you can't solo enough? WHat MMORPG lets you solo more AND group? WOW is bad because you can't loot enemy corpses? Thats been found to be a great way to not sell your game. WOW is bad because you can't effect the world and other players enough. The consequences of such a feature is a great way to alienate most players. See below for elaboration. WOW doesn't have world events? It actually DID change for the hollidays, so you can throw that one out. The traveling fair is also coming. BLizzard also isn't so stupid as to start changing their world WHILE so many new players are starting to play and haven't even expereinced whats already there. I guess the game/balance breaking consequences and elimination of content already created is good use of recources? (AC could change their world because so few people actually would be effected and the art was so simplistic, creating the change took little effort. They had to do something to slow down the rate of cancelations anyway. When did the 1st changes take effect by the way? The first 10 months?) WOW doesn't let you control anything in the persistant world. OK, so in that context I guess graveyards would be a "cool" thing to control. Ignore the fact that it would be too effected by population imbalance and force most Horde on all servers to quit the game or reroll Alliance. GOod way to lose subscribers. On that note, you're able to kill quest givers, NPCs and raid cities. Guess what happened? The players were completely disrupting too many others ability to play, so BLIZZARD punished that ability due to player outrage. Players were still allowed to do it, but stopped because effecting the world negatively had consequences. Punishment was not acceptable to most players. Causing ANNOYANCE was. Personal gain is most important. If effecting the world matters so much, players would accept the HKs as a BONUS and INNOVATION. PLayers did NOT welcome this innovation and instead refuse to effect the world because acting like a thug removes honor. Since people don't want to be punished even when they deserve it, they decided not to accept their punishment and NOT effect the world. So, Blizzard DOES allow people to change the world and people decided to stop doing it. How interesting. Crafting isn't completely new. Thats a good one. Its done simply and well, but its a weak point if you're a crafter. I''d love a very detailed mini-game crafting interface, but Blizzard knows not may people enjoy crafting if it takes too much effort, so they made it simple. Besides, other games, crafted gear and found loot tables always clash with one another causing balance shifts. IN WOW its completely balanced. You have some great crafted gear and none of it makes found loot obsolete and vice versa. DOAC had some major issues with this. Progress is too quick. Thats why 2+ Million people are playing. Theres a method to Blizzard madness. I can't solo past 60. This is still a multiplayer game and Blizzard never said you could solo everything. The amount of solo content is staggering compared to every MMORPG on the market. Your statement that WOW doesn't even improve anything is pure baseless opinion and you're in the minority. But, you must be used to that being a fan of AC=) The battle system is faster, more varried and interactive than most, and certainly improved. The mount and travel system is varied and MUCH improved. The graphics certainly are. The quest system certainly is by sheer volume. Ease of play while still retaining depth at higher lvls is improved. Accessibility as a MMORPG is greatly improved. Rolling up alts and having fun the 2nd time around is improved. The detailed design of the zones are GREATLY improved. The lack of a grind up to max lvl is HIGHLY improved. The ability to overcome the holy class trinity by organization and careful play is much improved. PvP mechanics are improved rewarding skill a bit more. Gear still rules the day, but it alwasy will until there is no more gear. I'm sure you'll disagree with all of this, but that would mean you're just ignoring the facts. As we all know, common MB debate is never based on facts. Opinion and hostility is much more important.
Just like in other MMORPGs, the newb area is different from the regular game play area. Sure you can cut through most of the missions solo in the newb area - I did. But once you go post-searing, the game is totally different. Once you go post-searing, you have to do the missions in groups. Being really completist about things, I had to do every darn mission I could get my hands on in pre-searing, which took me almost to lvl 9. Next character I make will definitely cut through as few missions as needed to get to post-searing. I have to say that the variety of characters in this game is really awesome. I've played a WoW trial account and comparing the two I think GW is tops.
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WoW seems exactly like GW wats the difference in game paly?
lethal lizard
Wow is more like the EQ2 style games where you are presented with a universe (or world) tha tis teaming with quests, items, etc.
You explore the world with friends, do raid bosses I suppose to some pvp ... EQ2 is adding it and WoW just added it.
With Guild Wars, though there are quests cities etc, the whole world is instanced. Except fo rthe cities and towns. You can meet people in the towns and group with them but once you enter the world it is just you and your group (or you solo or with npc henchman).
You can die without dropping items and you get a slight decrease in effectiveness up to a maximum... can't remember if it is -40 or what. If you choose to return to town (which is instant and with no fees... just bring up the map... pick which city or town and you go there.) then any death penalty is immediatly wiped clean.
What's more, the cities and towns also have multiple copies to keep the population down to appropriate lvls. Remember... everyone can theoretically meet anyone so there are a lot of people. So.. you can be in the city of Kryta but your buddy can be in zone #2 of Kryta. Easy enough.. pull down the menu and pick the appropriate one you want to be in.
Now.. with GW, there is one main quest that runs through it. This is the way to lvl if you decide to pick the lvl 1 "RPG" character. I know that they changed the pvp arenas so I don't know if you get xp anymore for that.
Along the way you lvl, pick up skills, equipment (which is easy to come by) and when you feel like it yoiu can do the arena pvp. For guilds there seems to be a ladder you can compete in with regards to certain arenas. Or... you can just do a "pick up" arena, get matched with several strangers and have at it.
In the end this game is more like Diablo where there is a main PvE game with the idea of getting ot lvl 20 and competing in the arenas.
That's about it. Once you play through the quest once or twice the only thing to do is the PvP. I feel it is the best out there with regard to speed, skills, changing your skills to fit your character, etc.
Hardcore players might not like it and those who play Quake 3 might not like it as the game really isn't "hardcore" (no ganking, looting, penalites etc) and not a non stop frag fest like Quake 3 or Unreal tournement... especially since you do have some lvling and you do need to search for certain elite skills.
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P2P is good but i need free games
You don't know people in forum so why think his comment is important? He may 9 year old children that just want to flame the other games (Not all, some professional comment but most aren't).
So, check this:
http://www.gamestats.com/objects/552/552148/articles.html#reviews
All are reviews from professional gamer (at least their dedicated enough to have games site). Love it or hate it but Gw still great game from professional rating. Just dont trust people that flame any games and give something like 1/10 rating, just shown their ego and brain ages.
where are the mods when we need them
IMO all flaming threads should be moved to general discussion , off topic or spaming area
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OMG i found this in PCmagazine review
This MMORPG caters to the action gamer, with role-playing elements eclipsed by the emphasis on hack-and-slash missions. Log on, warp to a waypoint, and complete one of the missions (created only for you) by the time you've finished your lunch break. The highly organized player-versus-player environment makes Guild Wars a serious alternative to the disappointing slugfests of the genre's leader, World of Warcraft.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1843974,00.asp
disappointing slugfests of the genre's leader, World of Warcraft.
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1. It's childish bcz you are still in pre searing, later, post searing, is when the real game begins.
2. It's not bad graphic, maybee you should check you'r eyes?
3. PvP character is only for playing PvP, that's why you get the LvL 20 char first.
4. In PvP it's all about experience, and what you tell, you don't gott any experience. So that's explains why you thinkt it's boring, you don't have a clue what spells that's great or isn't good.
5. This game is not a rip off, it's only you that don't can handle the truth about you being a n00b. So stop
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P2P is good but i need free games
GIVE THIS GAME A CHANCE
A lot of valid points in this thread if you care to sift them out, and a lot of close-minded bitterness as well.
I am a long-time MMO junkie, played EQ for a very very long time, have dabbled in just about every game out there from DaOC to CoH. I am currently a WoW and EQ2 subscriber, and will save the comparisons of those two games for another forum.
I personally find WoW to be the most polished and deep game out there right now, to fit the MMO/Raiding space but it does get boring running MC over and over and right now there is not a huge amount of end-game content. So I bought Guildwars to be an alternate to WoW/EQ2 after reading all the amazing reviews.
Well, my first impression of the game was somewhat similar to those who are bashing on this thread I went in with expectations of it to fit a particular mold (EQ, WoW) and was severley dissapointed. The inability to navigate obsitacles, linear play style and lack of trade skills turned me off right away. I did think the Graphics were hot, and the Necromancer class (which was lacking from WoW) was fun (summon up armies from your fallen foes) but overall was disapointed and put it away for a while (although did not feel compelled to come and bash the game anywhere) I honestly did not understand how it got its high marks.
But recently I got the itch to play the game again, and started up a few new chars, I went in simply looking for something to do and stopped trying to compare it to the other games I was playing. And suprise surprise, somehow I ended up loving the game. I tried a few different class combinations and was mostly playing team with my wife (whos PC is right next to me and plays WoW with me as well). somehow I got drawn in and forgot about the shortcomings and just started having fun.
The graphics are absoultey beautiful, (better than WoW or EQ2 in my opinion) and the animation/combat offers a lot of unique twists if you can get past its differences. I find that the spells and abilities in the game are quite unique and the 8-slot limit makes for a lot of strategy type decisions. Instead of the same old .. does x pts of fire damage, heals you for x pts. These spells have unique and interesting effects.
I realize that the PvE portion of the game will dry itself up much sooner than I want, but I explored all of the quests out in the Pre-searing and working on post now, I found the battles to be fast paced and exiting now that im into it. It certainly doesnt replace WoW or EQ2 for me, but its a lot of fun to play and breaks up the monotony of raiding all the time.
This game is not for everyone, and if you are intent on comparing it to WoW or EQ you will be dissapointed. But Give it a shot on its own terms, and enjoy what it has to offer, and you may end up loving it like I did,
WELL SAID!!
And for people who want to know about the game!!! go here http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/guildwars/review.html
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Having not played it myself, but watched a friend playing it for hours and hours, i can tell this is a game i definitly WONT buy.
Read this : http://www.firingsquad.com/features/guild_wars_rant/
I agree with him on about everything.
Hmmm, it took me months to decide should i get Guild Wars. Some replies in this thread is were the work of blind gamers. Those rants written by other gamers ISNT THE ONE YOU SHOULD READ!.
As quoted from PC Gamer UK : Guild Wars IS NOT A GAME FOR EVERYONE. So make sure you choose your game correctly BEFORE FLAMING it.. keep some reputation and respect to yourself. Be shameful flamers!
You bought the game and dont like it, its your fault. Screenshots impress you, cause you are too dumb to trust visuals than gameplay.
I am a WoW fan, played WoW more than other games till Guild Wars took over my time. I have much better time management since then. So in other words, i hate WoW.. this mean, not all WoW fans love WoW
Ok, back to the thread starter post. Accoding to what he say GW sucks since he just experienced the pre-searing part..He is more like a frog in the well.. seeing the world from the well is like him playing GW in the newbie land.
There is no point in this kind of topic... Sad? Yes it is...
You like it or you don't... That's it... Ok...
+ No monthly fees [Large plus btw]
- Kinda boring if you have played long enough [Medium plus]
That's my opinion... Peace...
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At least guildwars has a damn story line, its not just 2 million morons running around 2 differents worlds. Face it, Guildwars is better then WOW, its the best mmorpg out ther (or corpg). Seriously, warcraft fan art is better drawn then the damn warcraft graphics. WOW was good, until GW came.
Ok ive been a supporter of Guild Wars because I like it, and its different but this statement is just silly. While I wont argue about the morons part because there are a lot of them in WoW( mainly because there are huge numbers of peopel in WoW, so the law of averages plays out. In GW you are mostly isolated from others so the effects of morons not as easily seen)
Really we all know GW and WoW dont even fit the same game space so comparing them to each other is pointless. (it's like comparing EQ to Diablo, or a Sci fi movie to a football game, there are fans of each)
WoW does have a storyline if you choose to follow it.. and the graphical sytle is really a matter of preference, WoW has very polished graphics. Guild Wars has absolutley beautiful graphics. If you are into the MMORPG thing and want free exploration, raiding, crafting etc... then WoW is for you. If you want an action corpg with sweet graphics and a linear console-style story-line, without the huge time requirements and monthly fees then GW is for you.
The are both good games in their own respects, comparing them to each other is stupid.
I know how you feel. Guild wars is accually not a bad mmorpg though. You are just oriented on the level up and battling monsters (PvE). This mmorpg is based on PvP, if you just played the beginning, you probably did not experience the whole game.
Also, the people at turbine have spent a lot of time creating this game, and without monthly fees!! You can at least respect them enough to tell your opinions in a polite way.
uhh played both linage2 bites wow is to complex GW is just right lol
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One thing I've learned from MMORPG message boards is that AC fans for some reason are very hostile. People overly obsessed with immersion in a videogame ussually are the same. Also, when I mentioned any 6 yr old can have an opinion , it was a metaphor, not a personal attack. You're attacking people in almost every post. My opinion is only backed up by a lot of subscribers and shared amongst websites and reveiws. Its only the MMORPG elite, the jaded and burned out that seem to have MAJOR issues with WOW.
I just question why you're forced to use features from multiple VERY low population, niche or failed titles to prove a point about innovation? Everyone can like what they like, but 1 feature that might be well done doesn't matter when the game just isn't very good as a whole. SB had great ideas that crumbled under horrible implimentation. PvP in a point and click interface? What is this, 1997? PLayers warned them in beta that it would cause major problems. Horizons also had great ideas that never works well at all and will follow AC2 on the chopping block sooner or later. SB probably won't be far behind. Ryzome?? Too much bad to cover up whatever it does well. Eve is too slow, tedious and boring to attract anyone not interested in sacrificing their lives.
AC's combat system was made mostly pointless knowing that most of the population cheats or quickly jiggling your character back and forth causes latency issues, negating any benefit the battle system has. Grouping was also almost obsolete. Besides, the animation was/is laughable, the graphics are the same and its skill system is horribly imbalanced requiring uber templates and boting so you don't get steamroled. Low, medium and high don't matter when its flawed at the core, and again, most people left for greener pastures a long time ago. So, an innovative and battle system was created and dismissed as very few really cared for it due to bad implimentation. If it was really that great, would'nt more people have played it? Does it matter how well a car drives if it stalls most of the time you pull it out of the driveway? No, you simply stop driving, return it as a lemon and buy another car.
If WOWs combat feels the same, well I guess every FPS's combat feels the same and every sports game plays the same also? All cars must drive the same, too since you just turn a wheel and step on the gass? Great logic. Its in the implimentation, cohesion and flow and if you can't see where WOW improves on the point and click, then thats your loss, or you don't have enough experience in the game. Little things like the Warrior charge/intercept and how well totems are implimented and even the Warlock stone system are pretty innovative. The number of options most classes have is much greater than other MMORPGs. Throw in enchants, potions, scrolls, trinkets, engineered items, food, drink, bandages, and switching weapons in combat and youve got LOADS of options. I wish MMORPGs could be more twitchy and interactive but developers have to work within limitations.
EQ2's animated NPCs were nifty. Did it get old? Yup. So you hate the markers for WOW quest NPCs? I thought it was odd also, but I understood their purpose. Over time I appreciated the feature. Many do. Its one of the applauded features in most non-jaded reviews. Blizzard didn't want to waste all their time making so many quests only for them to be skipped over by too many people because they didn't know which NPCs to go to. Thats what woul've happened you know. Or I guess Blizzard wanted to force people to go to FAQ sites just to know where the quests are? You call the markers BAD implimentation. I call them an innovation that brought over 2 million subscribers to a genre that was never even notcied before. All this innovation in other games somehow attracted all these gamers...or not? Very few played MMORPGs before WOW. WOW hasn't succeeded on name alone. Its doing well because its getting the best reviews in magazines, looks great, plays great and has good word of mouth. No one is going around saying "BUY RYZOME" or AC2 or ShadowBane. Why not?
I'm sorry you feel that anything positive Blizzard has done here "is not the point." Bashing is akin to mindless criticsm without anything to back it up. Isn't THE POINT, WOW doesn't really do anything bad? How many other MMORPGs can you actually say that about. It might not unreasonably innovate like some gamers wish, but like in another thread, innovation sometimes is the fastest way to remove yourself from the marketplace.
How many MMORPG have some major bad points that turn people off immediately? The only things found BAD about WOW seem to be from jaded gamers who think anything NOT innovative is somehow bad. Heres a short list.
WOW is bad because you can't solo enough? WHat MMORPG lets you solo more AND group?
WOW is bad because you can't loot enemy corpses? Thats been found to be a great way to not sell your game.
WOW is bad because you can't effect the world and other players enough. The consequences of such a feature is a great way to alienate most players. See below for elaboration.
WOW doesn't have world events? It actually DID change for the hollidays, so you can throw that one out. The traveling fair is also coming. BLizzard also isn't so stupid as to start changing their world WHILE so many new players are starting to play and haven't even expereinced whats already there. I guess the game/balance breaking consequences and elimination of content already created is good use of recources? (AC could change their world because so few people actually would be effected and the art was so simplistic, creating the change took little effort. They had to do something to slow down the rate of cancelations anyway. When did the 1st changes take effect by the way? The first 10 months?)
WOW doesn't let you control anything in the persistant world. OK, so in that context I guess graveyards would be a "cool" thing to control. Ignore the fact that it would be too effected by population imbalance and force most Horde on all servers to quit the game or reroll Alliance. GOod way to lose subscribers.
On that note, you're able to kill quest givers, NPCs and raid cities. Guess what happened? The players were completely disrupting too many others ability to play, so BLIZZARD punished that ability due to player outrage. Players were still allowed to do it, but stopped because effecting the world negatively had consequences. Punishment was not acceptable to most players. Causing ANNOYANCE was. Personal gain is most important. If effecting the world matters so much, players would accept the HKs as a BONUS and INNOVATION. PLayers did NOT welcome this innovation and instead refuse to effect the world because acting like a thug removes honor. Since people don't want to be punished even when they deserve it, they decided not to accept their punishment and NOT effect the world. So, Blizzard DOES allow people to change the world and people decided to stop doing it. How interesting.
Crafting isn't completely new. Thats a good one. Its done simply and well, but its a weak point if you're a crafter. I''d love a very detailed mini-game crafting interface, but Blizzard knows not may people enjoy crafting if it takes too much effort, so they made it simple. Besides, other games, crafted gear and found loot tables always clash with one another causing balance shifts. IN WOW its completely balanced. You have some great crafted gear and none of it makes found loot obsolete and vice versa. DOAC had some major issues with this.
Progress is too quick. Thats why 2+ Million people are playing. Theres a method to Blizzard madness.
I can't solo past 60. This is still a multiplayer game and Blizzard never said you could solo everything. The amount of solo content is staggering compared to every MMORPG on the market.
Your statement that WOW doesn't even improve anything is pure baseless opinion and you're in the minority. But, you must be used to that being a fan of AC=) The battle system is faster, more varried and interactive than most, and certainly improved. The mount and travel system is varied and MUCH improved. The graphics certainly are. The quest system certainly is by sheer volume. Ease of play while still retaining depth at higher lvls is improved. Accessibility as a MMORPG is greatly improved. Rolling up alts and having fun the 2nd time around is improved. The detailed design of the zones are GREATLY improved. The lack of a grind up to max lvl is HIGHLY improved. The ability to overcome the holy class trinity by organization and careful play is much improved. PvP mechanics are improved rewarding skill a bit more. Gear still rules the day, but it alwasy will until there is no more gear.
I'm sure you'll disagree with all of this, but that would mean you're just ignoring the facts. As we all know, common MB debate is never based on facts. Opinion and hostility is much more important.
Just like in other MMORPGs, the newb area is different from the regular game play area. Sure you can cut through most of the missions solo in the newb area - I did. But once you go post-searing, the game is totally different. Once you go post-searing, you have to do the missions in groups. Being really completist about things, I had to do every darn mission I could get my hands on in pre-searing, which took me almost to lvl 9. Next character I make will definitely cut through as few missions as needed to get to post-searing. I have to say that the variety of characters in this game is really awesome. I've played a WoW trial account and comparing the two I think GW is tops.