There is a big difference between releasing a game with a cash+subscription and the game going f2p after 2 years and having a cash shop. subscription plus cash shop is just downright greedy and i will not touch it. its either one or the other not both.
Well you know, you don't have to use the cash shop. All items there are purely cosmetic.
All MMOs today have a cash shop, even the subscription based ones.
Thats not the point! development time goes in to designing content for the cash which takes up resources from the normal content. my 15 dollars is still going towards creating cash shop items regardless if i buy stuff from it or not.
Or the designs for the cash shop are just a by product of making more content. Besides after 8 pages we get it, you don't like cash shops. I've played MMO's since 1997 and I have never bought one thing in cash shops, that simple. Don't like what they are doing, then don't buy game because that is the only way to actually get thru to game companies. Lost revenue! Posting on MMORPG doesn't mean crap to them. I find 15 dollars a month a pretty good bargain considering what I get out of it.
If you don't like it, fine, why bitch and whine for weeks about it? get over it and find a game that suits you better...pretty simple!
There is a big difference between releasing a game with a cash+subscription and the game going f2p after 2 years and having a cash shop. subscription plus cash shop is just downright greedy and i will not touch it. its either one or the other not both.
Well you know, you don't have to use the cash shop. All items there are purely cosmetic.
All MMOs today have a cash shop, even the subscription based ones.
Thats not the point! development time goes in to designing content for the cash which takes up resources from the normal content. my 15 dollars is still going towards creating cash shop items regardless if i buy stuff from it or not.
See, I think this is where you're missing the point. Most development teams (including Funcom) have multiple teams in house dedicated to different things. Writers, animators, coders, DBAs, artists, etc. If the Cash Shop produces revenue, they will likely hire folks specifically to focus on that or re-task teams and backfill. If people don't use it, they can minimize the focus internally, using 1-2 people to occasionally add more items. I've worked with RMT in the Gaming industry, and no business in their right mind are going to jepordize their development cycle to add a shirt for an avatar.
Subs are never going to be 100% dedicated to adding new story/quest/dungeon content. Box sales and subs is for access to the game, that they've invested a great deal of money to already. Whether or not we as consumers continue to pay them depends on if we like the direction they go. They have a vested interest in keeping us engaged, so I don't doubt that content development is a priority.
There is a big difference between releasing a game with a cash+subscription and the game going f2p after 2 years and having a cash shop. subscription plus cash shop is just downright greedy and i will not touch it. its either one or the other not both.
Well you know, you don't have to use the cash shop. All items there are purely cosmetic.
All MMOs today have a cash shop, even the subscription based ones.
Thats not the point! development time goes in to designing content for the cash which takes up resources from the normal content. my 15 dollars is still going towards creating cash shop items regardless if i buy stuff from it or not.
Dude you pay £15 to play the game, if you dont pay the £15 then you will not be playing. What they do with the money after that is there business not yours.
That's like saying the person/place you got the £15 you are paying funcom should decide or have an input on what you spend the £15 on in the first place lol!!!
There is no such thing as a free lunch. If you want quality then you have to pay for it. Seems more and more people want to have their cake and eat it.
If you want to play a game and not pay for it then play minesweep or something, If you don't like the way funcom set out their store then dont buy the game,simples, it is call choice, living in a free world etc.
if you want to make a campaign about how every thing should be free/cheap, try and cover all the bases, go to Ferrari forums and ask why their cars are so expensive when a car 100 times cheaper can get you from A to B just the same as a Ferrai.
Go to all the top class restaurants and ask them why their food is so expensive, while you are at ask all Pizza dealers why their pizza cost £10 whilst the cost of producing them cost less than a £1 etc etc etc etc etc.
never looked at tsw cash shop in beta. dont even know where it is in the interface to be honest because i havent looked for it. i can tell you it wasnt in your face like free to play games. i thought it was not active to be honest but other people have said it was.
mmorpgs have been sub plus cash shop for years. paid character transfers, pay for more slots, my little pony mounts, that is all cash shop stuff. I dont see why people are getting so upset about it anyway. if you dont like the cash shop dont use it. its purely cosmetic, no ingame benefits so dont use it, or if you like one of the costumes then use it.
as far as ads go, it would make sense in a modern world. like billboards and stuff, we have them in the real world and they get ignored it wouldnt bother me to have it in a game. if it helps their bottom line so they can bring me cool content im good with it.
I dont understand why people get so upset about this crap. we all know the sub fee only type game is changing, the companies are having a harder and harder time keeping afloat, as long as the company can keep this kind of stuff appropriate to the game, not overly intrusive and most off all dont sell pay to win stuff in the cash shop then what is the big deal.
some of you dont want these games to make money and succeed yet you wonder why all these games go free to play. they dont get any support because of stupid reasons. if you like the game support it and dont worry about the cash shops and the ads or anything else as long as the gameplay keeps coming. If you dont like the game, well thats fine but just move on instead of bashing it over and over.
There is a big difference between releasing a game with a cash+subscription and the game going f2p after 2 years and having a cash shop. subscription plus cash shop is just downright greedy and i will not touch it. its either one or the other not both.
Well you know, you don't have to use the cash shop. All items there are purely cosmetic.
All MMOs today have a cash shop, even the subscription based ones.
Thats not the point! development time goes in to designing content for the cash which takes up resources from the normal content. my 15 dollars is still going towards creating cash shop items regardless if i buy stuff from it or not.
It remains to see what kind of "content" will there be in the cash shop. If it will be as they say, cosmetic items only (like clothing and accessories), I doubt it will take much of their development time.
But your point is still reversible. Maybe they use the money they get from the cash shop to develop non-cash shop content?
What we should be complaining about is the fact that all these developers create these games; allow hundreds of players to play together; and then have the gall to label it an MMORPG.
The genre has been bastardized and simplified to the last shred. I see no RPG's in the MMO market. Progression is dead and people have no idea why they are still playing these games.
What we should be complaining about is the fact that all these developers create these games; allow hundreds of players to play together; and then have the gall to label it an MMORPG.
The genre has been bastardized and simplified to the last shred. I see no RPG's in the MMO market. Progression is dead and people have no idea why they are still playing these games.
RPG in computer terms means that you have some kind of character progression and maybe some choices in what you will do in the game world.
The only MMORPG to really offer tools for roleplaying is Ultima Online.
What we should be complaining about is the fact that all these developers create these games; allow hundreds of players to play together; and then have the gall to label it an MMORPG.
The genre has been bastardized and simplified to the last shred. I see no RPG's in the MMO market. Progression is dead and people have no idea why they are still playing these games.
well its lucky then that TSW has pretty decent character progression... compared to the instant lvl button in GW2 for instance..
What we should be complaining about is the fact that all these developers create these games; allow hundreds of players to play together; and then have the gall to label it an MMORPG.
The genre has been bastardized and simplified to the last shred. I see no RPG's in the MMO market. Progression is dead and people have no idea why they are still playing these games.
RPG in computer terms means that you have some kind of character progression and maybe some choices in what you will do in the game world.
The only MMORPG to really offer tools for roleplaying is Ultima Online.
Well, LOTRO too. Flagging yourself for In-Character (shown by your name plate changing color), adopting others, etc. But yeah, very few do, unfortunately.
5 years ago people would have been in uproar over this, today its acceptable..it just shows you how society can be slowly manipulated over time.
Source? I just googled "2007 item mall" and almost every result was players discussing them in a positive light... business as usual. UO and many other subscription MMOs have sold items for about 10 years now. I think you're assuming that since you have a major issue with it that 'society' does, which is false.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I had this very same complaint awhile ago and people just ganged up on me like I was a lunatic who should be expected to shell out every last dime and smile or be shunned as a non-believer.
I had this very same complaint awhile ago and people just ganged up on me like I was a lunatic who should be expected to shell out every last dime and smile or be shunned as a non-believer.
Fact; If you are unhappy about the state of things and lodge a complaint, it makes you "unclean", and you must be purged.
Writer / Musician / Game Designer
Now Playing: Skyrim, Wurm Online, Tropico 4 Waiting On: GW2, TSW, Archeage, The Rapture
I had this very same complaint awhile ago and people just ganged up on me like I was a lunatic who should be expected to shell out every last dime and smile or be shunned as a non-believer.
Fact; If you are unhappy about the state of things and lodge a complaint, it makes you "unclean", and you must be purged.
Fact: No one is putting a gun to your head and force you to pay. Can you stop bitching already and go troll another game you don't plan on playing?
What we should be complaining about is the fact that all these developers create these games; allow hundreds of players to play together; and then have the gall to label it an MMORPG.
The genre has been bastardized and simplified to the last shred. I see no RPG's in the MMO market. Progression is dead and people have no idea why they are still playing these games.
RPG in computer terms means that you have some kind of character progression and maybe some choices in what you will do in the game world.
The only MMORPG to really offer tools for roleplaying is Ultima Online.
Well, LOTRO too. Flagging yourself for In-Character (shown by your name plate changing color), adopting others, etc. But yeah, very few do, unfortunately.
LOTRO is the runner-up, but even they cannot match the sheer possibilities for roleplaying given by Ultima Online. Guild-Based PvP, custom non-instanced housing, ability to drop any item to the ground, including furniture you have made yourself, dedicated crafter characters, thieves, murderers, etc. etc.
I had this very same complaint awhile ago and people just ganged up on me like I was a lunatic who should be expected to shell out every last dime and smile or be shunned as a non-believer.
Fact; If you are unhappy about the state of things and lodge a complaint, it makes you "unclean", and you must be purged.
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Or the designs for the cash shop are just a by product of making more content. Besides after 8 pages we get it, you don't like cash shops. I've played MMO's since 1997 and I have never bought one thing in cash shops, that simple. Don't like what they are doing, then don't buy game because that is the only way to actually get thru to game companies. Lost revenue! Posting on MMORPG doesn't mean crap to them. I find 15 dollars a month a pretty good bargain considering what I get out of it.
If you don't like it, fine, why bitch and whine for weeks about it? get over it and find a game that suits you better...pretty simple!
See, I think this is where you're missing the point. Most development teams (including Funcom) have multiple teams in house dedicated to different things. Writers, animators, coders, DBAs, artists, etc. If the Cash Shop produces revenue, they will likely hire folks specifically to focus on that or re-task teams and backfill. If people don't use it, they can minimize the focus internally, using 1-2 people to occasionally add more items. I've worked with RMT in the Gaming industry, and no business in their right mind are going to jepordize their development cycle to add a shirt for an avatar.
Subs are never going to be 100% dedicated to adding new story/quest/dungeon content. Box sales and subs is for access to the game, that they've invested a great deal of money to already. Whether or not we as consumers continue to pay them depends on if we like the direction they go. They have a vested interest in keeping us engaged, so I don't doubt that content development is a priority.
Dude you pay £15 to play the game, if you dont pay the £15 then you will not be playing. What they do with the money after that is there business not yours.
That's like saying the person/place you got the £15 you are paying funcom should decide or have an input on what you spend the £15 on in the first place lol!!!
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There is no such thing as a free lunch. If you want quality then you have to pay for it. Seems more and more people want to have their cake and eat it.
If you want to play a game and not pay for it then play minesweep or something, If you don't like the way funcom set out their store then dont buy the game,simples, it is call choice, living in a free world etc.
if you want to make a campaign about how every thing should be free/cheap, try and cover all the bases, go to Ferrari forums and ask why their cars are so expensive when a car 100 times cheaper can get you from A to B just the same as a Ferrai.
Go to all the top class restaurants and ask them why their food is so expensive, while you are at ask all Pizza dealers why their pizza cost £10 whilst the cost of producing them cost less than a £1 etc etc etc etc etc.
never looked at tsw cash shop in beta. dont even know where it is in the interface to be honest because i havent looked for it. i can tell you it wasnt in your face like free to play games. i thought it was not active to be honest but other people have said it was.
mmorpgs have been sub plus cash shop for years. paid character transfers, pay for more slots, my little pony mounts, that is all cash shop stuff. I dont see why people are getting so upset about it anyway. if you dont like the cash shop dont use it. its purely cosmetic, no ingame benefits so dont use it, or if you like one of the costumes then use it.
as far as ads go, it would make sense in a modern world. like billboards and stuff, we have them in the real world and they get ignored it wouldnt bother me to have it in a game. if it helps their bottom line so they can bring me cool content im good with it.
I dont understand why people get so upset about this crap. we all know the sub fee only type game is changing, the companies are having a harder and harder time keeping afloat, as long as the company can keep this kind of stuff appropriate to the game, not overly intrusive and most off all dont sell pay to win stuff in the cash shop then what is the big deal.
some of you dont want these games to make money and succeed yet you wonder why all these games go free to play. they dont get any support because of stupid reasons. if you like the game support it and dont worry about the cash shops and the ads or anything else as long as the gameplay keeps coming. If you dont like the game, well thats fine but just move on instead of bashing it over and over.
It remains to see what kind of "content" will there be in the cash shop. If it will be as they say, cosmetic items only (like clothing and accessories), I doubt it will take much of their development time.
But your point is still reversible. Maybe they use the money they get from the cash shop to develop non-cash shop content?
What we should be complaining about is the fact that all these developers create these games; allow hundreds of players to play together; and then have the gall to label it an MMORPG.
The genre has been bastardized and simplified to the last shred. I see no RPG's in the MMO market. Progression is dead and people have no idea why they are still playing these games.
RPG in computer terms means that you have some kind of character progression and maybe some choices in what you will do in the game world.
The only MMORPG to really offer tools for roleplaying is Ultima Online.
well its lucky then that TSW has pretty decent character progression... compared to the instant lvl button in GW2 for instance..
Well, LOTRO too. Flagging yourself for In-Character (shown by your name plate changing color), adopting others, etc. But yeah, very few do, unfortunately.
Source? I just googled "2007 item mall" and almost every result was players discussing them in a positive light... business as usual. UO and many other subscription MMOs have sold items for about 10 years now. I think you're assuming that since you have a major issue with it that 'society' does, which is false.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I had this very same complaint awhile ago and people just ganged up on me like I was a lunatic who should be expected to shell out every last dime and smile or be shunned as a non-believer.
Fact; If you are unhappy about the state of things and lodge a complaint, it makes you "unclean", and you must be purged.
Writer / Musician / Game Designer
Now Playing: Skyrim, Wurm Online, Tropico 4
Waiting On: GW2, TSW, Archeage, The Rapture
Fact: No one is putting a gun to your head and force you to pay. Can you stop bitching already and go troll another game you don't plan on playing?
LOTRO is the runner-up, but even they cannot match the sheer possibilities for roleplaying given by Ultima Online. Guild-Based PvP, custom non-instanced housing, ability to drop any item to the ground, including furniture you have made yourself, dedicated crafter characters, thieves, murderers, etc. etc.
No other game comes even close.
Lol this guy..such a drama queen.