its hard to say what to recommed. i would agree with wow, except that .. damn its hard to explain. the problem us mmo vets have is that these games are really not designed with us in mind anymore. or as others would put it .. we have changed. it's hard to recommend a game.
but if I had to pick, I would say Rift, or GW2. Theres advantages and disadvantages to both, but both appear to be solid games. That is to say that Rift is a solid game, GW2 hasn't been released yet .. os it's hard to give it full approval.
I would probably recommend Vanguard for the most old-school appeal .. but thats a risky approval as well .. though it is going f2p soon. If you are still looking then, id say give that a try.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Originally posted by Loke666 it is easy to stop being a noob and very hard to stop being an @sshat.
I can stop any time I want!!
/hic
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
its hard to say what to recommed. i would agree with wow, except that .. damn its hard to explain. the problem us mmo vets have is that these games are really not designed with us in mind anymore. or as others would put it .. we have changed. it's hard to recommend a game.
but if I had to pick, I would say Rift, or GW2. Theres advantages and disadvantages to both, but both appear to be solid games. That is to say that Rift is a solid game, GW2 hasn't been released yet .. os it's hard to give it full approval.
I would probably recommend Vanguard for the most old-school appeal .. but thats a risky approval as well .. though it is going f2p soon. If you are still looking then, id say give that a try.
wouldnt put it any other way, i hate WoW now but i played it for 4 years...for a newbie its heaven tho i had so much fun in the beginning hehe...i was 14 years old and during the end of burning crusade i was a noob who was the guild leader of a guild that had 300 members and lasted for 2 years before it fell apart...back then 300 members was alot cause you had to spam invites without add on's or macro's...my guild was a blast
Originally posted by Thanes I wouldn't call it heaven. Its completely empty. Its more like a single player purgatory.
they're all like that now
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
I wouldn't call it heaven. Its completely empty. Its more like a single player purgatory.
its not as populated as it used to be but there are still high-full pop realms and alot of medium realms i wouldnt call it empty, sitting in orgrimmar on Deathwing server theres still a shit load of people sitting around or buzzing all over the place....i cant say much for quest area's tho cause i have 13 85's and no slots left for new chars....
Edit: The other 3 are on Fenris server i could make a char there but that server is for sure dead pretty much....
Back when I started playing MMOs with WoW around 2006-07, the people I encountered were more often than not extremely helpful and tolerant. It really made a great impression on me. It wasn't just a few folks that I ran with. It was nearly everyone I encountered running around the game world.
Today, I am not one of those people who cares about whether somebody has run something before. Even when I helped run a raiding guild I never checked achievements or gearscore. It doesn't bother me in the slightest to have to take a minute or two to explain a fight to somebody new. I may have taken someone aside afterwards and asked that they work with me or another experienced player on gearing or spec or rotation issues, and I may have had to make other adjustments to the group or the objectives for that night, but I've never kicked anyone from one of my groups for being bad at their role or making a genuine mistake.
BUT, I don't tolerate jerks for very long, and being a noob doesn't make being a jerk acceptable. Talking back to somebody who actually is trying to help you makes me not want to play with you. Unfortunately too many new players have a chip on their shoulder, either because of their perception of how MMO communities feel about noobs, or because of actual experience, and even help is met with suspicion or outright hostility. It's unfortunate.
Rockhide that would make anyone mad, it makes me mad too. I try to give people advice, and some of them take it the wrong way saying stuff like "I know how to play my char" or "what do you know" yada yada yada
I don't understand the harm in some of you "oh so great masters of MMOs" stopping and helping someone who's lost or confused on how to do something. Instead of ranting some newbie crap and running off to kill something or continue your current quest.
Complaining that someone doesn't drop what they are doing just to help you is immature. If I actually SEE someone request help I might well help, but I don't always see what's in Chat. I always reduce the chat window to the bare minimum (usually about 4 or 5 lines of text) and text scrolls FAST when you're in combat and so forth. Additionally, because I voice-chat a lot with RL friends and family, I quite often never even glance at the Chat window for 15 to 20 minutes at a time. Basically, don't assume everyone is just ignoring you.
On the other hand, even if I DO see your request, I may well - forgive my temerity - be too busy to respond or assist. It might have taken me quite a while to get to the point I am at, maybe crossing an entire zone and clearing lots of trash mobs to get into an instance I haven't completed yet, and I have no intention of going through all that again just for your benefit. We all started out knowing nothing about how to play MMOs, yet we all managed to figure it out. If you are completely stuck, why not exert yourself and use Google to get a few pointers to help you along?
You've decided to start playing MMOs at a really bad time, the genre stinks. My advice would be to find (a different hobby :I) a game you're interested in, then play it until you aren't a noob anymore. Simple as that. If you want to learn typical MMO jargon and what not, then I would suggest playing WoW. It is still the best and most polished MMO on the market, even if it is a shadow of its former self. It has a dubious community... but every game does. The whole internet does. Some people wont help you because they have no patience and are rude, thats online gaming for ya, just get over it.
I would actually say that GW2 would be a really good place to start if you are new to MMO's.
On release you will be shoulder to shoulder with a lot of other people who are in the same boat of being new to the game, so you can all level up and figure things out together plus you arent faced with rows and rows of skills on your taskbar. and best of all its not gonna cost you anything a month to play.
I am inconvientaly a newbie in the mmo world. Just because I didn't start playing when I was 12, and have spent hours of everyday of my life since playing these games. Doesn't mean I suck >.> It means I just learned how awesome these games can be. Just because it takes me a little more time than most to get the hang of the game, doesn't mean I can't eventually be good at the game. I don't understand the harm in some of you "oh so great masters of MMOs" stopping and helping someone who's lost or confused on how to do something. Instead of ranting some newbie crap and running off to kill something or continue your current quest. All and all it's tempting to just stop playing these games all together because no one will give a newbie a chance. So my only questions is why?
There is a guy in my guild that is ALWAYS raging about new players, even his own guildmates. I have seen a few new players to the game join the guild only to leave a few hours later because of this jackass giving them an earful of shit just because they had the nerve to ask questions.
I don't understand it nor do I condone it.
Also, I don't like it when someone asks a question and the response given is just to Google it, it doesn't take long to type out a reply, this is just being lazy and dickish.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
I am inconvientaly a newbie in the mmo world. Just because I didn't start playing when I was 12, and have spent hours of everyday of my life since playing these games. Doesn't mean I suck >.> It means I just learned how awesome these games can be. Just because it takes me a little more time than most to get the hang of the game, doesn't mean I can't eventually be good at the game. I don't understand the harm in some of you "oh so great masters of MMOs" stopping and helping someone who's lost or confused on how to do something. Instead of ranting some newbie crap and running off to kill something or continue your current quest. All and all it's tempting to just stop playing these games all together because no one will give a newbie a chance. So my only questions is why?
There is a guy in my guild that is ALWAYS raging about new players, even his own guildmates. I have seen a few new players to the game join the guild only to leave a few hours later because of this jackass giving them an earful of shit just because they had the nerve to ask questions.
I don't understand it nor do I condone it.
Also, I don't like it when someone asks a question and the response given is just to Google it, it doesn't take long to type out a reply, this is just being lazy and dickish.
How can you not understand it? How can you not see that people can enjoy attacking other people in different ways? Insulting, flaming and making fun of other people, can be very enjoyable for those who do it.
I wouldn't recommend joining a brand new game like The Secret World or Guild Wars 2. Even though all of your fellow players will be new to the game, few of them will be new to MMOs and they will already know the lingo. There are a lot of unfamiliar terms that we use that go way beyond just the acronyms: AOE, DOT, HOT, NPC, DPS, OOM, LOS. With most of those, if someone tells you what it stands for, you understand what the term means.
But there are also English words that we use that have a different (and sometimes very nuanced) meaning. "Leash" is a good example. To leash a monster means to abuse the fact that it will predictably chase a player who attacks it and then give up after it fails to catch him. The AI governing the monster's behavior varies quite a bit from game to game, so the details of how to leash—as well as what leashing accomplishes—is different for every game. But because I already understand what leashing is, if I ask "How do I leash?" in a game I've never played, the first short answer that I get is going to be enough for me. A complete noob would need the whole concept explained to them.
For that reason, I wouldn't count on finding help in a brand new game. You'd be just as well picking whatever game suits your taste and trying to find players in that game (or in its forums) who can help you out.
There is a guy in my guild that is ALWAYS raging about new players, even his own guildmates. I have seen a few new players to the game join the guild only to leave a few hours later because of this jackass giving them an earful of shit just because they had the nerve to ask questions.
What I don't understand is how you can stay in a guild which tolerates such behavior.
I can tell you that in any guild where I am in charge as either officer or leader, such a person would get one warning, and then the boot.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
There is a guy in my guild that is ALWAYS raging about new players, even his own guildmates. I have seen a few new players to the game join the guild only to leave a few hours later because of this jackass giving them an earful of shit just because they had the nerve to ask questions.
What I don't understand is how you can stay in a guild which tolerates such behavior.
I can tell you that in any guild where I am in charge as either officer or leader, such a person would get one warning, and then the boot.
I would assume he has done the analysis that staying in the guild is far more positive than leaving it.
We all have different views on how bad certain actions are.
I am inconvientaly a newbie in the mmo world. Just because I didn't start playing when I was 12, and have spent hours of everyday of my life since playing these games. Doesn't mean I suck >.> It means I just learned how awesome these games can be. Just because it takes me a little more time than most to get the hang of the game, doesn't mean I can't eventually be good at the game. I don't understand the harm in some of you "oh so great masters of MMOs" stopping and helping someone who's lost or confused on how to do something. Instead of ranting some newbie crap and running off to kill something or continue your current quest. All and all it's tempting to just stop playing these games all together because no one will give a newbie a chance. So my only questions is why?
I would say try World of Warcraft. It is very user friendly and it also have a trial version where you can play till lvl 20 for free. So you can actualy try the game before you buy it.
I am inconvientaly a newbie in the mmo world. Just because I didn't start playing when I was 12, and have spent hours of everyday of my life since playing these games. Doesn't mean I suck >.> It means I just learned how awesome these games can be. Just because it takes me a little more time than most to get the hang of the game, doesn't mean I can't eventually be good at the game. I don't understand the harm in some of you "oh so great masters of MMOs" stopping and helping someone who's lost or confused on how to do something. Instead of ranting some newbie crap and running off to kill something or continue your current quest. All and all it's tempting to just stop playing these games all together because no one will give a newbie a chance. So my only questions is why?
Newbies need Orientation not recrimination... personally im here to clarify any doubs you may have as long as they are well argumented.... I know that sometimes ppl are harsh on rookies, and thats a behavior that must change... everyone was a noob at some point...
my advice for you is to try to self-educate yourself a little bit, and then post whatever reasonable doub or opinion in your mind with a well rounded statement.. if i see it ill be more than glad to help.
and to respond your question, i think maybe other fellow newbies dont do justice to you, some of them just lack patience and start blaming things with no solid or rational reason, unfortunatetly, we as humans tend to generalize... but the truth is that of that 100 anoying neebs, theres propably one with the real willingness to improve... have a good day
so, i do appriecate all you posting on my forum, through guys im pickng up on some lingo. Based off of some of the games you guys have listed, i went and took a peek, however, most were paid games. and i dont wanna have pay as a newbie, i want to make sure i can get into these games before i break down and buy some. ya know?
I dont really get your logic. Thats like playing Diablo 2 before 3 because you think youre not going to be good at 3. Seriously "dont play gw2 cuz of the higher skill cap"? *facepalm*
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I would actually say that GW2 would be a really good place to start if you are new to MMO's.
On release you will be shoulder to shoulder with a lot of other people who are in the same boat of being new to the game, so you can all level up and figure things out together plus you arent faced with rows and rows of skills on your taskbar. and best of all its not gonna cost you anything a month to play.
Finn pretty much echoed my own thoughts about being a new player to GW2. And, if this is cause for concern you might want to check out the GW2 forums on mmorpg. Look into what type of guilds there are, who is recruiting and introduce yourself. You might be pleasantly surprised.
I'd recommend trying World of Warcraft. It's probably the most new-player friendly MMO out there. You can do the free trial up to level 20, but there are rescrictions, such as chat access.
Or you can take the plunge and buy the game for real with 30 days included in the purchase price.
And if you do buy, I believe there is a new guild finding tool in-game (I've never used it) that may help you locate a new-player friendly guild. Or you can just ask in any Major City. Even if you don't use the tool, you will receive several guild invites from people recruiting members. Getting into a fun /helpfull guild will make your experience 100 x more fun.
People saying there is nothing going on right now are probably right, if they are level 85. But you will be level 1 and have 85 levels to earn and by the time you reach 85, the next expansion will be out or be very close so you will be on par with everyone else.
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its hard to say what to recommed. i would agree with wow, except that .. damn its hard to explain. the problem us mmo vets have is that these games are really not designed with us in mind anymore. or as others would put it .. we have changed. it's hard to recommend a game.
but if I had to pick, I would say Rift, or GW2. Theres advantages and disadvantages to both, but both appear to be solid games. That is to say that Rift is a solid game, GW2 hasn't been released yet .. os it's hard to give it full approval.
I would probably recommend Vanguard for the most old-school appeal .. but thats a risky approval as well .. though it is going f2p soon. If you are still looking then, id say give that a try.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
I can stop any time I want!!
/hic
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
wouldnt put it any other way, i hate WoW now but i played it for 4 years...for a newbie its heaven tho i had so much fun in the beginning hehe...i was 14 years old and during the end of burning crusade i was a noob who was the guild leader of a guild that had 300 members and lasted for 2 years before it fell apart...back then 300 members was alot cause you had to spam invites without add on's or macro's...my guild was a blast
I wouldn't call it heaven. Its completely empty. Its more like a single player purgatory.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
its not as populated as it used to be but there are still high-full pop realms and alot of medium realms i wouldnt call it empty, sitting in orgrimmar on Deathwing server theres still a shit load of people sitting around or buzzing all over the place....i cant say much for quest area's tho cause i have 13 85's and no slots left for new chars....
Edit: The other 3 are on Fenris server i could make a char there but that server is for sure dead pretty much....
I'm just going off what I experienced 2 months ago on a (full server). I rolled a new character.
edit:spelling
Back when I started playing MMOs with WoW around 2006-07, the people I encountered were more often than not extremely helpful and tolerant. It really made a great impression on me. It wasn't just a few folks that I ran with. It was nearly everyone I encountered running around the game world.
Today, I am not one of those people who cares about whether somebody has run something before. Even when I helped run a raiding guild I never checked achievements or gearscore. It doesn't bother me in the slightest to have to take a minute or two to explain a fight to somebody new. I may have taken someone aside afterwards and asked that they work with me or another experienced player on gearing or spec or rotation issues, and I may have had to make other adjustments to the group or the objectives for that night, but I've never kicked anyone from one of my groups for being bad at their role or making a genuine mistake.
BUT, I don't tolerate jerks for very long, and being a noob doesn't make being a jerk acceptable. Talking back to somebody who actually is trying to help you makes me not want to play with you. Unfortunately too many new players have a chip on their shoulder, either because of their perception of how MMO communities feel about noobs, or because of actual experience, and even help is met with suspicion or outright hostility. It's unfortunate.
Rockhide that would make anyone mad, it makes me mad too. I try to give people advice, and some of them take it the wrong way saying stuff like "I know how to play my char" or "what do you know" yada yada yada
Complaining that someone doesn't drop what they are doing just to help you is immature. If I actually SEE someone request help I might well help, but I don't always see what's in Chat. I always reduce the chat window to the bare minimum (usually about 4 or 5 lines of text) and text scrolls FAST when you're in combat and so forth. Additionally, because I voice-chat a lot with RL friends and family, I quite often never even glance at the Chat window for 15 to 20 minutes at a time. Basically, don't assume everyone is just ignoring you.
On the other hand, even if I DO see your request, I may well - forgive my temerity - be too busy to respond or assist. It might have taken me quite a while to get to the point I am at, maybe crossing an entire zone and clearing lots of trash mobs to get into an instance I haven't completed yet, and I have no intention of going through all that again just for your benefit. We all started out knowing nothing about how to play MMOs, yet we all managed to figure it out. If you are completely stuck, why not exert yourself and use Google to get a few pointers to help you along?
List of FTP games that will give you a wide array of gaming lingo and skills.
LotRo : Really is one of the best ftp games, and a friendly community that will teach you how to play a themepark style MMO.
DDO : DDO has a different style of play, its more action based and really gets into the details in regards to stats.
AoC : Again, comes with a unique combat system and the game is fairly pretty.
DCOU: For the superhero in you. (personally prefer CoH, but thats PTP)
LOTRO : Lord of the rings online
DDO: Dungeons & Dragons Online
AoC: Age of Conan
DCOU: DC Online Universe
COH: City of Heroes
FTP: Free to Play
PTP: Pay to Play
Just my 2 cents
You've decided to start playing MMOs at a really bad time, the genre stinks. My advice would be to find (a different hobby :I) a game you're interested in, then play it until you aren't a noob anymore. Simple as that. If you want to learn typical MMO jargon and what not, then I would suggest playing WoW. It is still the best and most polished MMO on the market, even if it is a shadow of its former self. It has a dubious community... but every game does. The whole internet does. Some people wont help you because they have no patience and are rude, thats online gaming for ya, just get over it.
I would actually say that GW2 would be a really good place to start if you are new to MMO's.
On release you will be shoulder to shoulder with a lot of other people who are in the same boat of being new to the game, so you can all level up and figure things out together plus you arent faced with rows and rows of skills on your taskbar. and best of all its not gonna cost you anything a month to play.
Newbies are the Lifes blood in EvE and are preyed upon in all MMO's.
MAGA
There is a guy in my guild that is ALWAYS raging about new players, even his own guildmates. I have seen a few new players to the game join the guild only to leave a few hours later because of this jackass giving them an earful of shit just because they had the nerve to ask questions.
I don't understand it nor do I condone it.
Also, I don't like it when someone asks a question and the response given is just to Google it, it doesn't take long to type out a reply, this is just being lazy and dickish.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
How can you not understand it? How can you not see that people can enjoy attacking other people in different ways? Insulting, flaming and making fun of other people, can be very enjoyable for those who do it.
I wouldn't recommend joining a brand new game like The Secret World or Guild Wars 2. Even though all of your fellow players will be new to the game, few of them will be new to MMOs and they will already know the lingo. There are a lot of unfamiliar terms that we use that go way beyond just the acronyms: AOE, DOT, HOT, NPC, DPS, OOM, LOS. With most of those, if someone tells you what it stands for, you understand what the term means.
But there are also English words that we use that have a different (and sometimes very nuanced) meaning. "Leash" is a good example. To leash a monster means to abuse the fact that it will predictably chase a player who attacks it and then give up after it fails to catch him. The AI governing the monster's behavior varies quite a bit from game to game, so the details of how to leash—as well as what leashing accomplishes—is different for every game. But because I already understand what leashing is, if I ask "How do I leash?" in a game I've never played, the first short answer that I get is going to be enough for me. A complete noob would need the whole concept explained to them.
For that reason, I wouldn't count on finding help in a brand new game. You'd be just as well picking whatever game suits your taste and trying to find players in that game (or in its forums) who can help you out.
What I don't understand is how you can stay in a guild which tolerates such behavior.
I can tell you that in any guild where I am in charge as either officer or leader, such a person would get one warning, and then the boot.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I would assume he has done the analysis that staying in the guild is far more positive than leaving it.
We all have different views on how bad certain actions are.
I would say try World of Warcraft. It is very user friendly and it also have a trial version where you can play till lvl 20 for free. So you can actualy try the game before you buy it.
This ^^
Newbies need Orientation not recrimination... personally im here to clarify any doubs you may have as long as they are well argumented.... I know that sometimes ppl are harsh on rookies, and thats a behavior that must change... everyone was a noob at some point...
my advice for you is to try to self-educate yourself a little bit, and then post whatever reasonable doub or opinion in your mind with a well rounded statement.. if i see it ill be more than glad to help.
and to respond your question, i think maybe other fellow newbies dont do justice to you, some of them just lack patience and start blaming things with no solid or rational reason, unfortunatetly, we as humans tend to generalize... but the truth is that of that 100 anoying neebs, theres propably one with the real willingness to improve... have a good day
I dont really get your logic. Thats like playing Diablo 2 before 3 because you think youre not going to be good at 3. Seriously "dont play gw2 cuz of the higher skill cap"? *facepalm*
Want to seeif you like them? try a demo/beta.
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Finn pretty much echoed my own thoughts about being a new player to GW2. And, if this is cause for concern you might want to check out the GW2 forums on mmorpg. Look into what type of guilds there are, who is recruiting and introduce yourself. You might be pleasantly surprised.
I'd recommend trying World of Warcraft. It's probably the most new-player friendly MMO out there. You can do the free trial up to level 20, but there are rescrictions, such as chat access.
Or you can take the plunge and buy the game for real with 30 days included in the purchase price.
And if you do buy, I believe there is a new guild finding tool in-game (I've never used it) that may help you locate a new-player friendly guild. Or you can just ask in any Major City. Even if you don't use the tool, you will receive several guild invites from people recruiting members. Getting into a fun /helpfull guild will make your experience 100 x more fun.
People saying there is nothing going on right now are probably right, if they are level 85. But you will be level 1 and have 85 levels to earn and by the time you reach 85, the next expansion will be out or be very close so you will be on par with everyone else.