[quote]Originally posted by disstress you have to be kidding me, lol nothing like a brisk 12 hour trip from one side of a shitty looking world to the other nothing like macroing skills up for hours nothing like a shady contests that aren't finished when they implement it,yet they get extended-just like the release date...[/b][/quote]
Hmm, I'm not really sure I understand what your gripe is...first you complain about the bugs in the contest, when they say they wont finish the contest untill those bugs are fixed you complain about it as well?
So, delaying the contest ending date so they can fix the bugs people has been experiencing and by so allowing more people participate is shady?
I don't really understand your sense of logic in calling what they do shady, considering that they've kept all those actually paying attention very well informed and none of us has been forced to pay a dime.
You had two developers directly answering you on public part of forum, none of your messages were deleted, none even altered, nothing shady happened that should force you to come here to backstab the company that took effort on answering your concerns very respectively...
I've played in DOZENS of betas and i'm fully aware of what a beta is, if this was an early beta I would easily shrug off the bugs, dismissing it as early work that would be fixed later. The game is horrible, i'm sorry but the base ideas (which are basically all ripped off from pre-trammel UO) are solid but the rest of the game is terrible.
Originally posted by SirBoris Originally posted by kishe Sure Magic Hat Software appreciates feedback, but posting it here isn't helping, post it in their own forums.Oh yes ...please do. Hide personal experience/opinions from the MMO community in a PRIVATE Irth forum. Why not post them in both forums? Nothing shameful in that.
Both is good too, but game can never get better unless feedback is given somewhere where the devs can find them from.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by disstress This game should not be released anytime soon. The UI is terrible and the default controls are horrid. The default keymap setup is confusing and not like anything else, wonder why they set it up like that. The graphics are decent, but not enough to ever get a penny from me. I have a nice comp with a 256mb graphics card and 1.5g of ram and it still runs horrible. I ran around for an hour and found 3 mobs to kill, and the combat was choppy and needs alot of work.I got a quest at the start and that was good, but they need to add intro quests to help you get to know the starting area and the locations of npcs in town. First look at the game feels like a public alpha. I got a bugged out screen trying to move the chat box and the hotbar. Seems like they may just need more feedback and better closed beta testers... Dude, it's a beta. Why not do what you were SUPPOSED to do and make suggestions and participate on the forums? You just wanted a free game to play, I have no sympathy.
I just wanted a free game? So you know me? You have spoken with me at one point in time?
NO
I don't mind beta testing a game that is in a open beta stage. IRTH is not in that stage, the entire project should be labeled alpha or it should be a closed in house beta. This is the kind of thing that kills the game before it starts. I don't mind finding bugs here and there and reporting them, but that is not where this game is at. Come at me with a realistic argument other than "omg IRTH fanbois rool you sux0rz, u jus wanna fr33 game"
I gauge what game I am going to play next off of the open betas, sometimes even closed betas if the company is big enough. I am actually fed up with the amount of terrible MMOs coming out now that are low budget nonsense trying to cash in on the growing market.
Now, Irth may be a good game at one point, like you guys keep pounding into everyones skulls, it is still being tested and the majority of content has not been added. This may be great for people that are looking to get away from people like SOE or NCSoft. Most likley this game will have a tighter community than any other because it is a smaller company, and that may be what many are looking for. The only reason I even downloaded it was because I felt what I had read showed promise. I still belive that this game does have promise, however some fundamental differences must be implemented.
And remember, blindly supporting and defending something sometimes makes you blind to the truth. I will never understand why people get personally offended when a game they play gets bad news. If you guys are hardcore testers and want to make a difference, talk to the DEVs about the issues that some people have that you read elsewhere instead of bitching about it and making asumptions about that person.
Originally posted by kishe Originally posted by disstress If you guys are hardcore testers and want to make a difference, talk to the DEVs about the issues .
You should live by your own example...
I am not a hardcore tester, and the posts that I left in the bugs section and general closed beta section were not answered. I refuse to get on IRC.
Originally posted by disstress Originally posted by kishe Originally posted by disstress If you guys are hardcore testers and want to make a difference, talk to the DEVs about the issues .
You should live by your own example...
I am not a hardcore tester, and the posts that I left in the bugs section and general closed beta section were not answered. I refuse to get on IRC.
Shame really, IRC is major way of communication with Irth and you can get to it through website very easily...in irc you could get answer to any question from devs in minutes, but your choice.
Originally posted by disstress If you guys are hardcore testers and want to make a difference, talk to the DEVs about the issues .
You should live by your own example...
I am not a hardcore tester, and the posts that I left in the bugs section and general closed beta section were not answered. I refuse to get on IRC.
I'm sorry that you feel as if your bug reports were ignored, but we just simply dont have time to respond to every single bug report on the forums. Rest assured we do read them, I personally read them a few times a day, but just dont have time to respond to all of them. The Dev team of Irth has probably had more player interaction than any other Beta I've ever been in. Yes, Before I worked for the team I was just a Beta tester for the game too, and I was impressed by the amount of interaction I had with the Dev team. As a part of the Dev team now I strive to stay in contact with everyone I possibly can. There is always someone sitting in the IRC chat room all day answering whatever questions they can, We respond to every Support Email, and read the official Irth Forums, as well as off site forums daily. We do care about our testers and their oppinions, suggestions, and feedback, and we take constructive input directly from our customers/testers.
Originally posted by Brawlking I'm sorry that you feel as if your bug reports were ignored, but we just simply dont have time to respond to every single bug report on the forums. Rest assured we do read them, I personally read them a few times a day, but just dont have time to respond to all of them. The Dev team of Irth has probably had more player interaction than any other Beta I've ever been in. Yes, Before I worked for the team I was just a Beta tester for the game too, and I was impressed by the amount of interaction I had with the Dev team. As a part of the Dev team now I strive to stay in contact with everyone I possibly can. There is always someone sitting in the IRC chat room all day answering whatever questions they can, We respond to every Support Email, and read the official Irth Forums, as well as off site forums daily. We do care about our testers and their oppinions, suggestions, and feedback, and we take constructive input directly from our customers/testers.
No, I guess it came out wrong. I understand you are all over that game doing great things, Brawlking. I understand that there are alot of things to attend to. I uderstand the development process is a trying one.
I am not the person to get onto IRC to talk about a game, if they have forums I use them. If they just have an email for bug submissions, meh, I'll most likley only report one or two big issues.
I am no longer going to talk about sepcific issues, as I have unknowingly crossed the line. My response was just meant as a bit of advice for the Irth fans here on these boards. People will bash any game, doesn't matter if its perfect, people just have different goals and tastes. This isn't a personal attack against the people playing it, its just a matter of opinion... and everyone is familliar with the saying about everyone having opinions...
Why doesn't anyone listen? Hello! It is Beta! Just you wait, you will eat those words when this releases! This will dominate the industry. All future games will adopt the Magic Hat model of game development!!!!!
LMAO! What are they spoon feeding you over there? If that is true, I weep for the game development industry.
Why doesn't anyone listen? Hello! It is Beta! Just you wait, you will eat those words when this releases! This will dominate the industry. All future games will adopt the Magic Hat model of game development!!!!!
LMAO! What are they spoon feeding you over there? If that is true, I weep for the game development industry.
You are just jealous because you wouldnt be accepted into the Irth community.
I heard that first one to create multiple accounts in mmorpg.com for sole purpose of flaming Irth was actually ex employee who got disgruntled for beind kicked out of the company.
Originally posted by kuhlut It's funny now that if you think about it
I heard that first one to create multiple accounts in mmorpg.com for sole purpose of flaming Irth was actually ex employee who got disgruntled for beind kicked out of the company.
Yep, that makes sense. I heard that all 3000 people that didn't like Irth are actually disgruntled employees.
Originally posted by kuhlut It's funny now that if you think about it
I heard that first one to create multiple accounts in mmorpg.com for sole purpose of flaming Irth was actually ex employee who got disgruntled for beind kicked out of the company.
I have heard other rumors that the person is a bitter Sphere player ...and considering how much they hate Damian, it would not be surprising.
Originally posted by iamsomeguy I thought IRTH online sucked and isn't worth it.
Yes, you are right. It does suck. But you can't say that it sucks. Read that link above. If you say something that IRTH online's lead dev, Damian, doesn't like, he'll threaten you with a lawsuit. He claims that you are commiting "liable".
But I think you might be safe though. I'm pretty sure there is no one in the history of this country that was successfully sued for "liable".
Originally posted by iamsomeguy I thought IRTH online sucked and isn't worth it.
Yes, you are right. It does suck. But you can't say that it sucks. Read that link above. If you say something that IRTH online's lead dev, Damian, doesn't like, he'll threaten you with a lawsuit. He claims that you are commiting "liable".
But I think you might be safe though. I'm pretty sure there is no one in the history of this country that was successfully sued for "liable".
Ha! Not only will I say it sucks, I will say that the lead dev sucks as well to earn cash to support his bandwidth usage..... bring on the laywer man!
Scroll down about half way, he responds on a thread that is titled WORST GAME EVER?
Here is the cut and paste:
09-07-2005, 03:22 PM
Atari 2600 ET: The Extraterestrial - 'Nuff Said (well actually not 'nuff said, I actually purchased this game cart the day it released... truly the saddest day of my gaming career.)
Having been a game reviewer I could go on for days on others, but one other notable mention is Irth Online. A new MMO that I was on beta for, was is the key word, I actually contacted the company (Magic Hat Software) and opted OUT of the beta as no amount of play, help, criticism, or coding in the world could turn it into anything even resembling a fun game. The game runs so slow on my system I was getting 0.4FPS and the graphics are shameful even by EQ1 standards. If you want a good laugh do a search for Irth Online and look at te "cutting edge" graphics that brought my system to it's knees.
__________________ AMD Athlon XP 2700+ Thoroughbred @ 3200+ | Albatron KX18DS ATI Radeon 9500 Pro | PQI 1GB (2x512) Dual Channel Maxtor (80Gb) (2x200Gb) | Lite-On 8x DVD+/-RW Thermaltake Silent PurePower 420W Custom steel swirl-pattern case w/side and top windows & Blue Cold Cathodes ------------------------------------- '01 Zinc Yellow Ford Focus ZX3 CAI - K&N Air Filter - Resonator removed Iridium Plugs, 9mm wires Custom black vinyl | 16" Kumho ECSTA Supra 712
Atari 2600 ET: The Extraterestrial - 'Nuff Said (well actually not 'nuff said, I actually purchased this game cart the day it released... truly the saddest day of my gaming career.)
I wouldn't bother with Irth untill a half year or so of updates. Go try something like Saga of Ryzom if you havn't already. Great game. Another option right now would be Shadowbane with the opening of the lore server (Vindication). These are some good alternatives to the WoW and EQ2 scene.
there needs to be done very much. the download is iritating (it both needs p2p register on download site) the map is so huge with not enough monsters. it lags. (if you want free download just tick, irth online download in google)
By charging $30 with a $14 monthly fee for a buggy unpolished game ...a big requirement would have to be ..being totally foolish with a willingness to toss money away.
I am not a fan of the fact that they want to charge for this game already but I can say that I do enjoy the game. It gets better with every patch and they do listen to the beta testers. I have even seen changes made to the game that were ideas posted by the testers. They still have a couple of weeks to put this together but I think that in a month or two IO will walk all over any other game that is to come out soon.
Originally posted by Mickle I am not a fan of the fact that they want to charge for this game already but I can say that I do enjoy the game.
That's great that you enjoy the game. Just about everyone else on this site hated it.
Originally posted by Mickle It gets better with every patch and they do listen to the beta testers.
Irth has had four months of patching. Even with all the improvements, the consensus is that it is still one of the worst games coming out.
And if they truly do listen to the beta testers, they would not release this game until it is ready.
Originally posted by Mickle They still have a couple of weeks to put this together but I think that in a month or two IO will walk all over any other game that is to come out soon.
If they couldn't develop a good game after two years of development, then it's doubtful that they can make a high quality game in a month or two.
There is almost no chance that this game will ever walk all over any other game coming out. This sounds like the wishful thinking of a dev.
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[quote]Originally posted by disstress
you have to be kidding me, lol
nothing like a brisk 12 hour trip from one side of a shitty looking world to the other
nothing like macroing skills up for hours
nothing like a shady contests that aren't finished when they implement it,yet they get extended-just like the release date...[/b][/quote]
Hmm, I'm not really sure I understand what your gripe is...first you complain about the bugs in the contest, when they say they wont finish the contest untill those bugs are fixed you complain about it as well?
So, delaying the contest ending date so they can fix the bugs people has been experiencing and by so allowing more people participate is shady?
I don't really understand your sense of logic in calling what they do shady, considering that they've kept all those actually paying attention very well informed and none of us has been forced to pay a dime.
You had two developers directly answering you on public part of forum, none of your messages were deleted, none even altered, nothing shady happened that should force you to come here to backstab the company that took effort on answering your concerns very respectively...
you are free to continue the discussion there.
http://www.irthonline.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6808
I've played in DOZENS of betas and i'm fully aware of what a beta is, if this was an early beta I would easily shrug off the bugs, dismissing it as early work that would be fixed later. The game is horrible, i'm sorry but the base ideas (which are basically all ripped off from pre-trammel UO) are solid but the rest of the game is terrible.
Oh yes ...please do. Hide personal experience/opinions from the MMO community in a PRIVATE Irth forum.
Why not post them in both forums? Nothing shameful in that.
Both is good too, but game can never get better unless feedback is given somewhere where the devs can find them from.
I just wanted a free game? So you know me? You have spoken with me at one point in time?
NO
I don't mind beta testing a game that is in a open beta stage. IRTH is not in that stage, the entire project should be labeled alpha or it should be a closed in house beta. This is the kind of thing that kills the game before it starts.
I don't mind finding bugs here and there and reporting them, but that is not where this game is at. Come at me with a realistic argument other than "omg IRTH fanbois rool you sux0rz, u jus wanna fr33 game"
I gauge what game I am going to play next off of the open betas, sometimes even closed betas if the company is big enough. I am actually fed up with the amount of terrible MMOs coming out now that are low budget nonsense trying to cash in on the growing market.
Now, Irth may be a good game at one point, like you guys keep pounding into everyones skulls, it is still being tested and the majority of content has not been added. This may be great for people that are looking to get away from people like SOE or NCSoft. Most likley this game will have a tighter community than any other because it is a smaller company, and that may be what many are looking for.
The only reason I even downloaded it was because I felt what I had read showed promise. I still belive that this game does have promise, however some fundamental differences must be implemented.
And remember, blindly supporting and defending something sometimes makes you blind to the truth. I will never understand why people get personally offended when a game they play gets bad news. If you guys are hardcore testers and want to make a difference, talk to the DEVs about the issues that some people have that you read elsewhere instead of bitching about it and making asumptions about that person.
You should live by your own example...
You should live by your own example...
I am not a hardcore tester, and the posts that I left in the bugs section and general closed beta section were not answered. I refuse to get on IRC.
You should live by your own example...
I am not a hardcore tester, and the posts that I left in the bugs section and general closed beta section were not answered. I refuse to get on IRC.
Shame really, IRC is major way of communication with Irth and you can get to it through website very easily...in irc you could get answer to any question from devs in minutes, but your choice.
You should live by your own example...
I am not a hardcore tester, and the posts that I left in the bugs section and general closed beta section were not answered. I refuse to get on IRC.
I'm sorry that you feel as if your bug reports were ignored, but we just simply dont have time to respond to every single bug report on the forums. Rest assured we do read them, I personally read them a few times a day, but just dont have time to respond to all of them. The Dev team of Irth has probably had more player interaction than any other Beta I've ever been in. Yes, Before I worked for the team I was just a Beta tester for the game too, and I was impressed by the amount of interaction I had with the Dev team. As a part of the Dev team now I strive to stay in contact with everyone I possibly can. There is always someone sitting in the IRC chat room all day answering whatever questions they can, We respond to every Support Email, and read the official Irth Forums, as well as off site forums daily. We do care about our testers and their oppinions, suggestions, and feedback, and we take constructive input directly from our customers/testers.
No, I guess it came out wrong. I understand you are all over that game doing great things, Brawlking. I understand that there are alot of things to attend to. I uderstand the development process is a trying one.
I am not the person to get onto IRC to talk about a game, if they have forums I use them. If they just have an email for bug submissions, meh, I'll most likley only report one or two big issues.
I am no longer going to talk about sepcific issues, as I have unknowingly crossed the line. My response was just meant as a bit of advice for the Irth fans here on these boards. People will bash any game, doesn't matter if its perfect, people just have different goals and tastes. This isn't a personal attack against the people playing it, its just a matter of opinion... and everyone is familliar with the saying about everyone having opinions...
You are just jealous because you wouldnt be accepted into the Irth community.
It's funny now that if you think about it
I heard that first one to create multiple accounts in mmorpg.com for sole purpose of flaming Irth was actually ex employee who got disgruntled for beind kicked out of the company.
I have heard other rumors that the person is a bitter Sphere player ...and considering how much they hate Damian, it would not be surprising.
http://www.emuresource.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=685&sid=ac0a7921fb3fa1a15f6a67d619966253
I got the link from another thread over in the pub section.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm/setstart/31/loadthread/51812/loadforum/51/loadclass/35
Yes, you are right. It does suck. But you can't say that it sucks. Read that link above. If you say something that IRTH online's lead dev, Damian, doesn't like, he'll threaten you with a lawsuit. He claims that you are commiting "liable".
But I think you might be safe though. I'm pretty sure there is no one in the history of this country that was successfully sued for "liable".
Yes, you are right. It does suck. But you can't say that it sucks. Read that link above. If you say something that IRTH online's lead dev, Damian, doesn't like, he'll threaten you with a lawsuit. He claims that you are commiting "liable".
But I think you might be safe though. I'm pretty sure there is no one in the history of this country that was successfully sued for "liable".
Ha! Not only will I say it sucks, I will say that the lead dev sucks as well to earn cash to support his bandwidth usage..... bring on the laywer man!
Well how about someone named Bruenor answer your questions. I found this link.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=950268&page=3
Scroll down about half way, he responds on a thread that is titled WORST GAME EVER?
Here is the cut and paste:
09-07-2005, 03:22 PM
Having been a game reviewer I could go on for days on others, but one other notable mention is Irth Online. A new MMO that I was on beta for, was is the key word, I actually contacted the company (Magic Hat Software) and opted OUT of the beta as no amount of play, help, criticism, or coding in the world could turn it into anything even resembling a fun game. The game runs so slow on my system I was getting 0.4FPS and the graphics are shameful even by EQ1 standards. If you want a good laugh do a search for Irth Online and look at te "cutting edge" graphics that brought my system to it's knees.
AMD Athlon XP 2700+ Thoroughbred @ 3200+ | Albatron KX18DS
ATI Radeon 9500 Pro | PQI 1GB (2x512) Dual Channel
Maxtor (80Gb) (2x200Gb) | Lite-On 8x DVD+/-RW
Thermaltake Silent PurePower 420W
Custom steel swirl-pattern case w/side and top windows & Blue Cold Cathodes
-------------------------------------
'01 Zinc Yellow Ford Focus ZX3
CAI - K&N Air Filter - Resonator removed
Iridium Plugs, 9mm wires
Custom black vinyl | 16" Kumho ECSTA Supra 712
I wouldn't bother with Irth untill a half year or so of updates. Go try something like Saga of Ryzom if you havn't already. Great game. Another option right now would be Shadowbane with the opening of the lore server (Vindication). These are some good alternatives to the WoW and EQ2 scene.
WELL I HAVE PLAYED IT
there needs to be done very much. the download is iritating (it both needs p2p register on download site) the map is so huge with not enough monsters. it lags. (if you want free download just tick, irth online download in google)
better try something els but its your chose
everyone BATTLEON
By charging $30 with a $14 monthly fee for a buggy unpolished game ...a big requirement would have to be ..being totally foolish with a willingness to toss money away.
I am not a fan of the fact that they want to charge for this game already but I can say that I do enjoy the game. It gets better with every patch and they do listen to the beta testers. I have even seen changes made to the game that were ideas posted by the testers. They still have a couple of weeks to put this together but I think that in a month or two IO will walk all over any other game that is to come out soon.
That's great that you enjoy the game. Just about everyone else on this site hated it.
Irth has had four months of patching. Even with all the improvements, the consensus is that it is still one of the worst games coming out.
And if they truly do listen to the beta testers, they would not release this game until it is ready.
If they couldn't develop a good game after two years of development, then it's doubtful that they can make a high quality game in a month or two.
There is almost no chance that this game will ever walk all over any other game coming out. This sounds like the wishful thinking of a dev.