The best part about GW2 forums is that if you say only positive stuff all fans will back you up and even defend you against those who according to them are 'trolls' or 'haters'. But dare you say something negative suddenly they will turn on you. LOL..i laugh sometimes and once even sent a pm to this guy (who defended me a lot and then called me names because i said something negative about GW2) a message saying 'what happened to love between us?'.
I just freaking hate being implied stupid, a simpleton or that I just don't like MMOs altogeter because I don't think GW2 is that great. Some GW2 fans are almost as self righteous as pot heads. It's really annoying. I'll post out against that.
If that makes me a hater, so be it.
I think that buying gold for gems is at least partially a P2W mechanic...people have called me a hater for this, but most of the GW2 fans haven't. They may have disagreed with me, but they didn't shove me into the hater/troll bucket. You can't let the actions of a few cloud your vision.
Thank you! When a game prides itself about not having 'gear for an advantage', being able to buy anything that gives you more strength becomes that much stronger in making it P2W. To some degree it can be acceptable (which does vary person to person) though in case of GW2 it does tend to straddle that thin line just becuase of the fact its a game where any little advantage can become a big deal. Still, its joyous that there are people who jump you for that fact.
Guess those people I could always pay a few dollars for a stick I'll all a seige engine and stand a better chance against them, even if its just a little advantage extra they don't have.
Originally posted by Gaborik Originally posted by XobdnasI can break this down.WOW fans are worried players will play GW2 and realize WOW is nothing more than a glorified dungeon crawler complete with carrots, sticks, and hamster wheels. They will then leave there unaesthetic pile of stale bread and move onto a game where they are allowed to embrace aesthetics. This fear drives them to hate on GW2.SWTOR fans don't want to hate but after paying money for SWTOR they are left in a state of permanent hate toward any and all new MMORPGs now and forever. I pity them, poor lost souls floating out among the sea like little plankton, little angry plankton living in constant fear that a big ole whale will come alone and eat them up, they view GW2 as this whale, realizing most of them could never take such a let down again they rebel against GW2, it is far easier to continue to hate than to fall in love again, only to risk having your heart ripped out and thrown in a giant bowl on top of a myan pyramid.Mortal Online and The Repopulation players are kind of like that guy who says his favorite comic book character is the Blob rather than any actual cool heros. You know who. He is the guy that was pro Obama when Obama wasn't cool, but now that he is cool, he is pro Mitt. We all know THAT guy. If he had a choice between getting a free mustang or a free civic he would pick the civic because mustangs are "typical". They value going against the grain and being different for the sake of being different above all else. GW2 is "too main stream" for them so they hate on it.TSW players are just desperate to latch onto anything resembling a positive gaming experience, so they jumped onto TSW only to realize it wasn't any good, now they regret not waiting to GW2 (and are also sad that they blew their mmo budget for the year on TSW and now cannot afford GW2) so they turn to hating it.The rest of the MMO crowd is just hanging on hope, hope that GW2 will come in and give us a reason to care again. But because we have been let down so many times were cautious. Some of us lash out against the ever driving love that beckons in our hearts and souls, we wan't to give in, but we fear it, but we love it. As a result you see a mix of fanatic posts and hate posts. We don't mean to be this way, it is how the genre made us.
This is a great example of the "Experts" I referenced earlier.
That is why I make the big bucks to analyze this stuff for the big dogs in the industry. I even have a shirt that says "staff" showing how official I am. I'm so good at my job that Anet is even letting be play GW2 for free, FOR FREE, no monthly for this MMO-hero.
You may want to step outside and take a breath of fresh air you seem to be in some fantasy world if you think.anyone believes or would pay you for the long winded pile of fanboi, hater, tr@%%ing ingnorant garbage you posted.
I bought the sunglasses in the cash shop and my coolness definitely said i was winning.So i can see how people say guild wars 2 is p2w because on the battlefield i looked like a winner. :P
WOW fans are worried players will play GW2 and realize WOW is nothing more than a glorified dungeon crawler complete with carrots, sticks, and hamster wheels. They will then leave there unaesthetic pile of stale bread and move onto a game where they are allowed to embrace aesthetics. This fear drives them to hate on GW2.
SWTOR fans don't want to hate but after paying money for SWTOR they are left in a state of permanent hate toward any and all new MMORPGs now and forever. I pity them, poor lost souls floating out among the sea like little plankton, little angry plankton living in constant fear that a big ole whale will come alone and eat them up, they view GW2 as this whale, realizing most of them could never take such a let down again they rebel against GW2, it is far easier to continue to hate than to fall in love again, only to risk having your heart ripped out and thrown in a giant bowl on top of a myan pyramid.
Mortal Online and The Repopulation players are kind of like that guy who says his favorite comic book character is the Blob rather than any actual cool heros. You know who. He is the guy that was pro Obama when Obama wasn't cool, but now that he is cool, he is pro Mitt. We all know THAT guy. If he had a choice between getting a free mustang or a free civic he would pick the civic because mustangs are "typical". They value going against the grain and being different for the sake of being different above all else. GW2 is "too main stream" for them so they hate on it.
TSW players are just desperate to latch onto anything resembling a positive gaming experience, so they jumped onto TSW only to realize it wasn't any good, now they regret not waiting to GW2 (and are also sad that they blew their mmo budget for the year on TSW and now cannot afford GW2) so they turn to hating it.
The rest of the MMO crowd is just hanging on hope, hope that GW2 will come in and give us a reason to care again. But because we have been let down so many times were cautious. Some of us lash out against the ever driving love that beckons in our hearts and souls, we wan't to give in, but we fear it, but we love it. As a result you see a mix of fanatic posts and hate posts. We don't mean to be this way, it is how the genre made us.
This is a great example of the "Experts" I referenced earlier.
That is why I make the big bucks to analyze this stuff for the big dogs in the industry. I even have a shirt that says "staff" showing how official I am. I'm so good at my job that Anet is even letting be play GW2 for free, FOR FREE, no monthly for this MMO-hero.
You may want to step outside and take a breath of fresh air you seem to be in some fantasy world if you think.anyone believes or would pay you for the long winded pile of fanboi, hater, tr@%%ing ingnorant garbage you posted.
Yet it is you who seems stressed out or angry over the topic. Maybe you should take your own advice.
The best part about GW2 forums is that if you say only positive stuff all fans will back you up and even defend you against those who according to them are 'trolls' or 'haters'. But dare you say something negative suddenly they will turn on you. LOL..i laugh sometimes and once even sent a pm to this guy (who defended me a lot and then called me names because i said something negative about GW2) a message saying 'what happened to love between us?'.
Sadly he never replied. ;(
Funny thing is, there's at least one thread on these forums right now, discussion an aspect of the game that could be better.
Haters love to generalize the fans for this game. And they've taken it to epic levels of prejudice and slander. However, a lot of the fans for this game are vocal about things they don't like. Just as Anet has been very proactive about talking to fans about things they don't like, and changing them.
Hell, there's been a lot of criticism about mesmer balancing, guilds, the commander system, etc. The difference is, we don't then turn around and say 'see, this is why this game sucks!'. Instead, we try and come up w/ solutions to fix it.
Honestly...I've been on these forums for a while, and it seems like, for this game, the "haters" are much more irrational and insulting than the "fanbois."
I've argued for things both against (cash shop) and for (everything else) GW2. When I argued against the cash shop, I got plenty of posters arguing against me, but for the most part, they weren't really irrational with their arguments. They just had different defintions of things like "advantage" or "P2W" than I did.
But it seems like there is an anti-GW2 "inquisition" here that tries to turn anything positive you say about the game into proof that you are a raving fanboi who thinks that GW2 is "MMO Jesus." There are TONS of posts here that try to portray the entire GW2 community like this. There was even a thread asking people if they wouldn't play the game simply because they thought the community was so horrible.
Seriously...WTF? Who abused these people?
I think this is actual a case of GW2 doing alot of things different. Wich means that to be a succesfull critic you have to educate yourself in what GW2 is about. There is actual not alot of others forums here where your knowledge about what a traditionel MMO doesn't help you to take part in the discussion and most likely draw some comment about learning what GW2 is about
After several years of hard work in this forum to erradicate misconceptions and false claims about GW2, the fanbois is just alot better suited to win most arguments simply because they got facts right about what GW2 brings to the table. And because GW1 was so different there have been loads of work and education going on.
Unfortunatly it had in some cases also developed into a lack of ability to listen to feedback and critic from educated sources. GW2 missionarys is not that well recieved in other forums on this board, and for good reasons. ( I remember fans still denying GW2 had quests, combat roles and cashshop here even after linking to ArenaNet sources saying so).
So this combined with that MMorpg.com is a haven for misery and broken mmo dreams, where nobody should expect to see a game raise itself above the standards, with out being called a delusional dreamer expectet to found out later and rejoin the bitter mob here . "YOU ARE ONE OF US - how dare you think different."
Guess I would be labelled as fanboi by most because I'm very positive about the game and from my experience with it and other info about it provided, it does everything I want from a game and does it in a way I like which is the first mmo that does that since like forever. So I'm a fan and if you really have to, sure tack that label onto me.
Obviously therefor my opinions I post in discussions I consider interesting or fun are always going to be positive ones and I'll quote other posters I agree with or disagree with so I don't have to type it myself or want to add to it / comment on it. So I definitely participate in that debate but I don't see anything wrong with it because I usually try to provide reasoning for my comments or include wording like "in my opinion".
Originally posted by Gaborik Originally posted by Xobdnas Originally posted by Gaborik Originally posted by XobdnasI can break this down.WOW fans are worried players will play GW2 and realize WOW is nothing more than a glorified dungeon crawler complete with carrots, sticks, and hamster wheels. They will then leave there unaesthetic pile of stale bread and move onto a game where they are allowed to embrace aesthetics. This fear drives them to hate on GW2.SWTOR fans don't want to hate but after paying money for SWTOR they are left in a state of permanent hate toward any and all new MMORPGs now and forever. I pity them, poor lost souls floating out among the sea like little plankton, little angry plankton living in constant fear that a big ole whale will come alone and eat them up, they view GW2 as this whale, realizing most of them could never take such a let down again they rebel against GW2, it is far easier to continue to hate than to fall in love again, only to risk having your heart ripped out and thrown in a giant bowl on top of a myan pyramid.Mortal Online and The Repopulation players are kind of like that guy who says his favorite comic book character is the Blob rather than any actual cool heros. You know who. He is the guy that was pro Obama when Obama wasn't cool, but now that he is cool, he is pro Mitt. We all know THAT guy. If he had a choice between getting a free mustang or a free civic he would pick the civic because mustangs are "typical". They value going against the grain and being different for the sake of being different above all else. GW2 is "too main stream" for them so they hate on it.TSW players are just desperate to latch onto anything resembling a positive gaming experience, so they jumped onto TSW only to realize it wasn't any good, now they regret not waiting to GW2 (and are also sad that they blew their mmo budget for the year on TSW and now cannot afford GW2) so they turn to hating it.The rest of the MMO crowd is just hanging on hope, hope that GW2 will come in and give us a reason to care again. But because we have been let down so many times were cautious. Some of us lash out against the ever driving love that beckons in our hearts and souls, we wan't to give in, but we fear it, but we love it. As a result you see a mix of fanatic posts and hate posts. We don't mean to be this way, it is how the genre made us.
This is a great example of the "Experts" I referenced earlier.
That is why I make the big bucks to analyze this stuff for the big dogs in the industry. I even have a shirt that says "staff" showing how official I am. I'm so good at my job that Anet is even letting be play GW2 for free, FOR FREE, no monthly for this MMO-hero.
You may want to step outside and take a breath of fresh air you seem to be in some fantasy world if you think.anyone believes or would pay you for the long winded pile of fanboi, hater, tr@%%ing ingnorant garbage you posted.
Yet it is you who seems stressed out or angry over the topic. Maybe you should take your own advice.
Oh not stressed or angry I enjoy the games I play. I dont come on here and bash other games just try to call out the ones who think they are experts or bash games just because they dont play it. Why do people care what games others play? Why is there such a need to post long that ramble on and on about my game is better then every other? Not angry or stressed at all
Honestly...I've been on these forums for a while, and it seems like, for this game, the "haters" are much more irrational and insulting than the "fanbois."
I've argued for things both against (cash shop) and for (everything else) GW2. When I argued against the cash shop, I got plenty of posters arguing against me, but for the most part, they weren't really irrational with their arguments. They just had different defintions of things like "advantage" or "P2W" than I did.
But it seems like there is an anti-GW2 "inquisition" here that tries to turn anything positive you say about the game into proof that you are a raving fanboi who thinks that GW2 is "MMO Jesus." There are TONS of posts here that try to portray the entire GW2 community like this. There was even a thread asking people if they wouldn't play the game simply because they thought the community was so horrible.
Seriously...WTF? Who abused these people?
Nah, it is the same as it ever was on both sides. Nothing really different here except due to the popularity of the game it is more polarizing than you see amongst some.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Honestly...I've been on these forums for a while, and it seems like, for this game, the "haters" are much more irrational and insulting than the "fanbois."
I've argued for things both against (cash shop) and for (everything else) GW2. When I argued against the cash shop, I got plenty of posters arguing against me, but for the most part, they weren't really irrational with their arguments. They just had different defintions of things like "advantage" or "P2W" than I did.
But it seems like there is an anti-GW2 "inquisition" here that tries to turn anything positive you say about the game into proof that you are a raving fanboi who thinks that GW2 is "MMO Jesus." There are TONS of posts here that try to portray the entire GW2 community like this. There was even a thread asking people if they wouldn't play the game simply because they thought the community was so horrible.
Seriously...WTF? Who abused these people?
From what I've seen, it goes both ways.
GW2 seems to have the same polarizing effect that WoW does around here. Maybe not to the same extent yet, but give it time!
My experience is that it's not 'both ways' but a natural consequence that B follows A:
A. Trolls come in and troll -- concern troll, flame troll, whatever...
B. People who like the game generally respond in one of three ways:
The first way is in a positive manner. That is, they (foolishly at times) try to use reason, empathy and fact to win the argument only to find that the troll is not interested in any sort of discussion of the actual merits of the game but is there solely to gain attention through being a jerk-off. I generally go this way in most of the non-obvious flame-troll posts until I recognize the poster as yet-another-troll.
The second way is the identification, dismissal and occasional insulting of the trolls. These are usually the people who tried the first way enough times over the years to realize there is no reasoning with a troll. I end up here frequently. And I get here faster than I used to.
The third way is to ignore them. However, this has perception consequences as unchallenged trolldom causes disinformaiton-related issues.
Now, B does not preceed A. The reason being that if the trolls don't come in and troll, while you may get SOME fanboy-on-fanboy action, it's usually pretty minor. You can go to many game forums (developer or general gaming sites) of non "major market" games, like Mount and Blade, that have very little trolling, very little rancor and fighting. There will be some conflict, but mostly it's just fans of the game being fans of the game and discussing strategy, bugs, game play, mods, etc.
Let's put it this way... Trolls are like an infection and fabois are like an immune response. So, while it is true that in a severe immune repsone can kill you, the infections are, by-and-large, much worse and much more likely to kill you.
The best part about GW2 forums is that if you say only positive stuff all fans will back you up and even defend you against those who according to them are 'trolls' or 'haters'. But dare you say something negative suddenly they will turn on you. LOL..i laugh sometimes and once even sent a pm to this guy (who defended me a lot and then called me names because i said something negative about GW2) a message saying 'what happened to love between us?'.
Sadly he never replied. ;(
Funny thing is, there's at least one thread on these forums right now, discussion an aspect of the game that could be better.
Haters love to generalize the fans for this game. And they've taken it to epic levels of prejudice and slander. However, a lot of the fans for this game are vocal about things they don't like. Just as Anet has been very proactive about talking to fans about things they don't like, and changing them.
Hell, there's been a lot of criticism about mesmer balancing, guilds, the commander system, etc. The difference is, we don't then turn around and say 'see, this is why this game sucks!'. Instead, we try and come up w/ solutions to fix it.
Funny how that works.
I'm also not a fan of how they've reduced the AI difficulty of the lower-level monsters. I think they made it a little too easy. I rarely died during BWE3 and that was playing a necromancer and a mesmer. Two classes that are widely considered to be difficult/underpowered at low levels.
Honestly...I've been on these forums for a while, and it seems like, for this game, the "haters" are much more irrational and insulting than the "fanbois."
I've argued for things both against (cash shop) and for (everything else) GW2. When I argued against the cash shop, I got plenty of posters arguing against me, but for the most part, they weren't really irrational with their arguments. They just had different defintions of things like "advantage" or "P2W" than I did.
But it seems like there is an anti-GW2 "inquisition" here that tries to turn anything positive you say about the game into proof that you are a raving fanboi who thinks that GW2 is "MMO Jesus." There are TONS of posts here that try to portray the entire GW2 community like this. There was even a thread asking people if they wouldn't play the game simply because they thought the community was so horrible.
Seriously...WTF? Who abused these people?
From what I've seen, it goes both ways.
GW2 seems to have the same polarizing effect that WoW does around here. Maybe not to the same extent yet, but give it time!
It definitely seems that way. I just hate getting constantly stereotyped into either of these groups.
For an example, I pointed out that the poster in the (extremely obvious) troll thread that is blowing up right now was a troll, and got called a raving fanboy for it lol.
Basically, my stance is that I love GW2 from what I have experienced, but that love is not unconditional, and I would definitely change my opinion if the game took a turn for the worst.
Why should you point it out? Just report the post and be done with it.
The reason for the love/hate with GW2 on this site is the hype. Like every other hyped up game (Aion, WH, AOC, Tera, TSW, etc.) there are players that love what the developer is doing and others that will hate what the developer is doing. The higher the hype level the more that the fanbois will encourage everyone to play and the more the haters will hate to get people not to play.
Certainly this site had a higher population of haters than any other mmo site I have visited. But often enough I find a very informative, detailed, and non-prejudice post about a hyped game. Sometimes these posts come from the haters and sometimes from the fanbois. I say let them each have their say. As long as they don't stoop to name calling and lies I don't mind. Being an American I support free discussion. Yes, I don't like to hear the opposition but it is their right, as much as mine, to voice their opinion. I want to thank the mmorpg moderators (if there are any) for letting us have both the fanbois and haters. After all, sometimes I am one or the other!
The best part about GW2 forums is that if you say only positive stuff all fans will back you up and even defend you against those who according to them are 'trolls' or 'haters'. But dare you say something negative suddenly they will turn on you. LOL..i laugh sometimes and once even sent a pm to this guy (who defended me a lot and then called me names because i said something negative about GW2) a message saying 'what happened to love between us?'.
Sadly he never replied. ;(
Funny thing is, there's at least one thread on these forums right now, discussion an aspect of the game that could be better.
Haters love to generalize the fans for this game. And they've taken it to epic levels of prejudice and slander. However, a lot of the fans for this game are vocal about things they don't like. Just as Anet has been very proactive about talking to fans about things they don't like, and changing them.
Hell, there's been a lot of criticism about mesmer balancing, guilds, the commander system, etc. The difference is, we don't then turn around and say 'see, this is why this game sucks!'. Instead, we try and come up w/ solutions to fix it.
Funny how that works.
I'm also not a fan of how they've reduced the AI difficulty of the lower-level monsters. I think they made it a little too easy. I rarely died during BWE3 and that was playing a necromancer and a mesmer. Two classes that are widely considered to be difficult/underpowered at low levels.
If it soothes your mind at all, I got to lvl31 on my elementalist (read: stuff dies fast) during last beta weekend, and it was actually getting more difficult by the time I reached Gendarran Fields (lvl25+). There's suddenly more conditions (found out that poison and confusion is a nasty combination), plus the mobs keep dodging out of AoE a lot more, some even went to get their friends to help out when I had managed to get their HP down somewhat. Plus, Thrall movement speed is insane. -.-
Once you get out of the newbie areas, things start to get real - or at least so I felt.
Honestly...I've been on these forums for a while, and it seems like, for this game, the "haters" are much more irrational and insulting than the "fanbois."
I've argued for things both against (cash shop) and for (everything else) GW2. When I argued against the cash shop, I got plenty of posters arguing against me, but for the most part, they weren't really irrational with their arguments. They just had different defintions of things like "advantage" or "P2W" than I did.
But it seems like there is an anti-GW2 "inquisition" here that tries to turn anything positive you say about the game into proof that you are a raving fanboi who thinks that GW2 is "MMO Jesus." There are TONS of posts here that try to portray the entire GW2 community like this. There was even a thread asking people if they wouldn't play the game simply because they thought the community was so horrible.
Seriously...WTF? Who abused these people?
From what I've seen, it goes both ways.
GW2 seems to have the same polarizing effect that WoW does around here. Maybe not to the same extent yet, but give it time!
It definitely seems that way. I just hate getting constantly stereotyped into either of these groups.
For an example, I pointed out that the poster in the (extremely obvious) troll thread that is blowing up right now was a troll, and got called a raving fanboy for it lol.
Basically, my stance is that I love GW2 from what I have experienced, but that love is not unconditional, and I would definitely change my opinion if the game took a turn for the worst.
Why should you point it out? Just report the post and be done with it.
Because that would be much less amusing .
If every single poster here did what they "should" do, and reported any post that fell slightly out of line with the rules, then this place would be a harmonious community where everyone could go to get news about and discuss MMORPGs...but it would also be pretty boring.
Honestly...I've been on these forums for a while, and it seems like, for this game, the "haters" are much more irrational and insulting than the "fanbois."
I've argued for things both against (cash shop) and for (everything else) GW2. When I argued against the cash shop, I got plenty of posters arguing against me, but for the most part, they weren't really irrational with their arguments. They just had different defintions of things like "advantage" or "P2W" than I did.
But it seems like there is an anti-GW2 "inquisition" here that tries to turn anything positive you say about the game into proof that you are a raving fanboi who thinks that GW2 is "MMO Jesus." There are TONS of posts here that try to portray the entire GW2 community like this. There was even a thread asking people if they wouldn't play the game simply because they thought the community was so horrible.
Seriously...WTF? Who abused these people?
From what I've seen, it goes both ways.
GW2 seems to have the same polarizing effect that WoW does around here. Maybe not to the same extent yet, but give it time!
It definitely seems that way. I just hate getting constantly stereotyped into either of these groups.
For an example, I pointed out that the poster in the (extremely obvious) troll thread that is blowing up right now was a troll, and got called a raving fanboy for it lol.
Basically, my stance is that I love GW2 from what I have experienced, but that love is not unconditional, and I would definitely change my opinion if the game took a turn for the worst.
Why should you point it out? Just report the post and be done with it.
Because that would be much less amusing .
If every single poster here did what they "should" do, and reported any post that fell slightly out of line with the rules, then this place would be a harmonious community where everyone could go to get news about and discuss MMORPGs...but it would also be pretty boring.
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The best part about GW2 forums is that if you say only positive stuff all fans will back you up and even defend you against those who according to them are 'trolls' or 'haters'. But dare you say something negative suddenly they will turn on you. LOL..i laugh sometimes and once even sent a pm to this guy (who defended me a lot and then called me names because i said something negative about GW2) a message saying 'what happened to love between us?'.
Sadly he never replied. ;(
Thank you! When a game prides itself about not having 'gear for an advantage', being able to buy anything that gives you more strength becomes that much stronger in making it P2W. To some degree it can be acceptable (which does vary person to person) though in case of GW2 it does tend to straddle that thin line just becuase of the fact its a game where any little advantage can become a big deal. Still, its joyous that there are people who jump you for that fact.
Guess those people I could always pay a few dollars for a stick I'll all a seige engine and stand a better chance against them, even if its just a little advantage extra they don't have.
This is a great example of the "Experts" I referenced earlier.
That is why I make the big bucks to analyze this stuff for the big dogs in the industry. I even have a shirt that says "staff" showing how official I am. I'm so good at my job that Anet is even letting be play GW2 for free, FOR FREE, no monthly for this MMO-hero.
You may want to step outside and take a breath of fresh air you seem to be in some fantasy world if you think.anyone believes or would pay you for the long winded pile of fanboi, hater, tr@%%ing ingnorant garbage you posted.I bought the sunglasses in the cash shop and my coolness definitely said i was winning.So i can see how people say guild wars 2 is p2w because on the battlefield i looked like a winner. :P
Yet it is you who seems stressed out or angry over the topic. Maybe you should take your own advice.
Funny thing is, there's at least one thread on these forums right now, discussion an aspect of the game that could be better.
Haters love to generalize the fans for this game. And they've taken it to epic levels of prejudice and slander. However, a lot of the fans for this game are vocal about things they don't like. Just as Anet has been very proactive about talking to fans about things they don't like, and changing them.
Hell, there's been a lot of criticism about mesmer balancing, guilds, the commander system, etc. The difference is, we don't then turn around and say 'see, this is why this game sucks!'. Instead, we try and come up w/ solutions to fix it.
Funny how that works.
I think this is actual a case of GW2 doing alot of things different. Wich means that to be a succesfull critic you have to educate yourself in what GW2 is about. There is actual not alot of others forums here where your knowledge about what a traditionel MMO doesn't help you to take part in the discussion and most likely draw some comment about learning what GW2 is about
After several years of hard work in this forum to erradicate misconceptions and false claims about GW2, the fanbois is just alot better suited to win most arguments simply because they got facts right about what GW2 brings to the table. And because GW1 was so different there have been loads of work and education going on.
Unfortunatly it had in some cases also developed into a lack of ability to listen to feedback and critic from educated sources. GW2 missionarys is not that well recieved in other forums on this board, and for good reasons. ( I remember fans still denying GW2 had quests, combat roles and cashshop here even after linking to ArenaNet sources saying so).
So this combined with that MMorpg.com is a haven for misery and broken mmo dreams, where nobody should expect to see a game raise itself above the standards, with out being called a delusional dreamer expectet to found out later and rejoin the bitter mob here . "YOU ARE ONE OF US - how dare you think different."
Guess I would be labelled as fanboi by most because I'm very positive about the game and from my experience with it and other info about it provided, it does everything I want from a game and does it in a way I like which is the first mmo that does that since like forever. So I'm a fan and if you really have to, sure tack that label onto me.
Obviously therefor my opinions I post in discussions I consider interesting or fun are always going to be positive ones and I'll quote other posters I agree with or disagree with so I don't have to type it myself or want to add to it / comment on it. So I definitely participate in that debate but I don't see anything wrong with it because I usually try to provide reasoning for my comments or include wording like "in my opinion".
This is a great example of the "Experts" I referenced earlier.
That is why I make the big bucks to analyze this stuff for the big dogs in the industry. I even have a shirt that says "staff" showing how official I am. I'm so good at my job that Anet is even letting be play GW2 for free, FOR FREE, no monthly for this MMO-hero.
You may want to step outside and take a breath of fresh air you seem to be in some fantasy world if you think.anyone believes or would pay you for the long winded pile of fanboi, hater, tr@%%ing ingnorant garbage you posted.Yet it is you who seems stressed out or angry over the topic. Maybe you should take your own advice.
Oh not stressed or angry I enjoy the games I play. I dont come on here and bash other games just try to call out the ones who think they are experts or bash games just because they dont play it. Why do people care what games others play? Why is there such a need to post long that ramble on and on about my game is better then every other? Not angry or stressed at allHi im xalvi in here, and i am a GW2 Fanboy.
Nah, it is the same as it ever was on both sides. Nothing really different here except due to the popularity of the game it is more polarizing than you see amongst some.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
My experience is that it's not 'both ways' but a natural consequence that B follows A:
A. Trolls come in and troll -- concern troll, flame troll, whatever...
B. People who like the game generally respond in one of three ways:
The first way is in a positive manner. That is, they (foolishly at times) try to use reason, empathy and fact to win the argument only to find that the troll is not interested in any sort of discussion of the actual merits of the game but is there solely to gain attention through being a jerk-off. I generally go this way in most of the non-obvious flame-troll posts until I recognize the poster as yet-another-troll.
The second way is the identification, dismissal and occasional insulting of the trolls. These are usually the people who tried the first way enough times over the years to realize there is no reasoning with a troll. I end up here frequently. And I get here faster than I used to.
The third way is to ignore them. However, this has perception consequences as unchallenged trolldom causes disinformaiton-related issues.
Now, B does not preceed A. The reason being that if the trolls don't come in and troll, while you may get SOME fanboy-on-fanboy action, it's usually pretty minor. You can go to many game forums (developer or general gaming sites) of non "major market" games, like Mount and Blade, that have very little trolling, very little rancor and fighting. There will be some conflict, but mostly it's just fans of the game being fans of the game and discussing strategy, bugs, game play, mods, etc.
Let's put it this way... Trolls are like an infection and fabois are like an immune response. So, while it is true that in a severe immune repsone can kill you, the infections are, by-and-large, much worse and much more likely to kill you.
I'm also not a fan of how they've reduced the AI difficulty of the lower-level monsters. I think they made it a little too easy. I rarely died during BWE3 and that was playing a necromancer and a mesmer. Two classes that are widely considered to be difficult/underpowered at low levels.
Exactly this!
Lame poll. No option for FANGIRL. :P
No worries m8! The OP itself is a fanboy post about GW2
so what you need a poll for?
This is what MMORPG.com is all about.
Why should you point it out? Just report the post and be done with it.
the sky can be pink
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The reason for the love/hate with GW2 on this site is the hype. Like every other hyped up game (Aion, WH, AOC, Tera, TSW, etc.) there are players that love what the developer is doing and others that will hate what the developer is doing. The higher the hype level the more that the fanbois will encourage everyone to play and the more the haters will hate to get people not to play.
Certainly this site had a higher population of haters than any other mmo site I have visited. But often enough I find a very informative, detailed, and non-prejudice post about a hyped game. Sometimes these posts come from the haters and sometimes from the fanbois. I say let them each have their say. As long as they don't stoop to name calling and lies I don't mind. Being an American I support free discussion. Yes, I don't like to hear the opposition but it is their right, as much as mine, to voice their opinion. I want to thank the mmorpg moderators (if there are any) for letting us have both the fanbois and haters. After all, sometimes I am one or the other!
If it soothes your mind at all, I got to lvl31 on my elementalist (read: stuff dies fast) during last beta weekend, and it was actually getting more difficult by the time I reached Gendarran Fields (lvl25+). There's suddenly more conditions (found out that poison and confusion is a nasty combination), plus the mobs keep dodging out of AoE a lot more, some even went to get their friends to help out when I had managed to get their HP down somewhat. Plus, Thrall movement speed is insane. -.-
Once you get out of the newbie areas, things start to get real - or at least so I felt.
Because that would be much less amusing
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If every single poster here did what they "should" do, and reported any post that fell slightly out of line with the rules, then this place would be a harmonious community where everyone could go to get news about and discuss MMORPGs...but it would also be pretty boring.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
Sounds like heaven, in my opinion.
The biggest problem with the two groups is they try and argue what is good and what is bad on a factual basis.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Lighten up, go play a game.