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Ya, I know... Sometime I wonder if people have common sense... Seeing my brother resub after each patch content to cancel his sub 1 or 2 month later like so many people here seem to be doing is just something I don't understand. By doing this, you just encourage this kind of stuff.
Ok, I took another deep breath and will leave this topic since I don't see any point fighting people that are closed to discussion. Guess I will just keep waiting again and post my funny theory on WoW before leaving it.
Funny Theory: My perspeptive on WoW is Simple, Old player are leaving slowly this game and new players take their place. It will continu to moves on until eventually we reach the end where no new players will replace the new old players. 80% of the people I knew that were playing WoW at the time I was playing did stop to play it a long time ago too, but I know some people that weren't playing Wow and calling us Nerd at the time we were playing are currently playing it now. Eventually, this squeal will end and it will be the time of a new Era that I hope will look better than all those failed MMORPG that think we are looking for similar game like wow.
WOW might be losing its China and Korean players from next year.
They already closing down a few server in Korea and China.
Age of Wushu is like the Chinese dream MMO.
Once the game is launch and become a hit in China,
the only players who play WOW from then on might be only gold farmers.
They already sold a virtual sword for $16000.
I felt that Blizz are more worried for this game than GW2, hence the Panda expansions.
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
Instead of MoP they should have setup about 20 F2P Vanilla WoW servers with a decent cash shop. Panda's are cool, but I want Vanilla WoW back!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Yeah, I'd consider your logic a fail.
It released in Korea, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong 2 days after it released in us/europe. Yeah, i'd consider your whole post a fail...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_Cataclysm
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Some Wow players are so insecure that any game might do as well as them they make stuff up or use biased mechinisms to keep them fluffy and warm at night.
WoW may not be dieing, but it sure as hell doesnt mean Mists of lolPanda is a good expansion...more like Mists of carebear, my little pony, Kung-fu panda.
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At this point Blizzard could release pokemon the MMO and WoW players would still buy it they are so brainwashed...oh wait... they already did that
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As a follow-up jsut because McDonalds and StarBucks might make billions of $$$ in revenue a year does not a good product make.
Everything you need to know about Elder Scrolls Online
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Next Flop: Planetside 2
Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Well, they sold 5 million copies of Cataclysm to their "12 million players worldwide". I'm curious how many they will sell to their 10.2 million players.
Personally, I'm buying it after 2-3 weeks after release so the jokers that make threads like this will be out of the leveling zones.
Well dying is a bit of a misnoer as MMO's are notoriously hard to kill (look at UO or Everquest) but ofc a game will loose customers after several years, all mmo's with a subscription to date have done that(eve might be a exception here.. i am not sure if they still gain users. But they used to last i chacked) and for the people gloating over the loss of subs in WoW just stop for a short while and realise that WoW just lost more players then most other games have... period. And it is still within the normal decay/churn for its' age(%-wise). So yeah i think we can still call WoW a sucess and it is a good game, maybe not the game some old timers here want but it is still a good game by any measuring stick.
My prediction is that WoW will settle at around 6-7 mil players once the decline stops. Some servers might need to be shut down (heck some of them are old enought that it is most liley a mercy kill anyway) and the game might be capped at some point. But by that time it will still be the most sucessful game in the western market that launched with a subscription model.
That we can not do much about.
This have been a good conversation
WoW for sure isn't dying... as for those bashing the people standing up for there game of choice, WoW in this case... Saying that the newest expansion is carebears, and ponys, and unicorns... Is pretty ignorant, You would actually sound better just saying the newest expansion will suck and not putting your immature ignorant opinions into it.
At the same time though unicorns, ponies, care bears, rainbows, all that crap is kind of an internet craze, look at all the My little pony stuff, and the unicorn gun in that one game... and the steam video of the pyro, and the supposedly soon to come Legendary Bow in GW2.... hmmmmm
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It ain't dead, but it's definitely past its prime.
WoW will definitely still have a playerbase, even if it loses the throne of "King of MMOs" to a new MMO in the future.
Before someone misinterprets my statement, losing the throne to a new MMO, or making way for multiple smaller MMOs competing for the throne, does not mean it dies, it's just not King anymore.
Funny thing I stand up to my game and am labled a Fanboi. I never said WoW was dieing per-se but it sure as hell isnt a good game any more.
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If MoP is so good, why in the world would anyone be worrying about what the detractors are saying?
Wouldn't the quality of the product speak for itself?
Or are you perhaps just a little bit worried that the best days of WoW have come and gone?
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
MOP will sell well for the same reason the McDonald's BigMac does.
(Hint: Not quality.)
The game is a smashing success, but they got lazy being the top dogs.
They could've held on to most of their customers over the years if they'd put more effort into it, but they didn't, and now it's too late.
Is it dead compared to all the other US/EU MMO?
No.
Is it dead by it's own standard?
Essentially.
Is UO dead? Maybe some of the servers are "dead", but the game isn't dead and it's been around since 1997, and now it's finally seeing new interest because of a "sequel" of sorts.
Is EQ dead? Hell no. Some people have invested many years into their characters, and they don't seem to be giving up on them any time soon.
Is DAoC dead? Not at all. The population may have shrunk after Trials of Atlantis, but there's still a thriving community and rekindled interest because of the irreplacable RvR system.
WoW has established itself as one of the MMOs that will continue to thrive with a smaller community, whether we love it or hate it. Hell, just the other day I saw a soccer mom park her BMW x5 SUV with a Horde emblem stuck to her back window in front of my local Starbucks. It appears Blizzard has tapped into a family market with WoW, and MOP is just reinforcing that, I hardly see the game as "dying".
My old guild still raids in EQ, actually.
Same general core as from 2000 as well.
I wish I'd stayed there honestly but my friends quit and EQ without friends is like jury duty, even if you have a guild.
In business no body gives a damn if game is full of quality and sells 1000 copies. That usually leads to closing down of studios.
So yes outside of your own little world number of sales do matter. And i am still waiting for you to give me example of pc only MMO titles which sell 5 to 6 million copes..because according to you it is not abig deal right?
How exactly do you define quality in your McDonalds example? Quality in terms of how it tastes or how healthy it is?
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Hello, first id like to say, Cata was the worst X-pack iv ever played, BC was amazing, iv never put so many hours into a game ever since BC. Wrath was ok, at least i knew i could log on and do something. Cata failed because it said "Community? You dont need that, LFG Chat? ahaha what a joke." And much more other things done wrong.
But if we remember Blizz did try to bring, blues and hardcore back. But they gave in to the little children whineing in the beging of Cata, that is when Cata shined, and thats when i really played Cata, and i even got back into a raiding guild back then. It was nice to see it coming back, but when the little Downsyndrome players of WoW that got pulled in slowly in Wrath, were like "WHAT! i have to use my brain? WTF IS CC? I dont like dis it make zug zug's brain hurt? im to high for this." <~~ And hence Blizz said, no no give the children what they want, here are some gingling keys and a cookie, enjoy A fluffy World destoryer known as Deathwing that you can AFK win on.
But if you look at what they are writing down for MOP, they understand they destroyed the community, they understand LFR, and LFD, is a distruction of community, and they also stated that they are taking away Valor, no more gear shopping, and they want to bring back Raiding, and if you want gear with your twist to it, then you gotta use a guild, or something from your sever, they are making LFG,LFR, and what not, a way to get people there mainspec EZ mode gear, and a little fun. But if you want offspec, or you acttually want to council your loot, becuase they are taking away the decision making for LFR to make it more of a, you use LFR to get gear so you can raid with your guild/sever for real. And they said you shouldnt be able to buy your epics. Valor is now just an upgrade system for your gear, like +1 to your nice little rubber boots.
They understand what they are doing, and they see where they are fucking up, hence probable why they didnt release shit for cata as patches, and they are focusing on making the game a friendly, community, all around style game, because im sure,
if you go to Deathwing on Heroic, turn off the Buff, and try to down his ass, you wont be AFK one shotting him then.
You just gotta understand, Blizz right now is like being a Father & Mother for 10+million people.
They are guna fuck up, they are guna learn from there mistakes, and like any parent, they will sometimes gives in to their childrens whineing.
I hope to see MOP be a full blown showing of Blizz, showing us "Yes, we did learn, Sorry about Cata"
I havent read anything regarding this xpack. Im an old school vanilla naxx clearing gamer. I did enjoy the start of cata myself because they put the challenge back into the game.. I really hope what you say is true... and i really hope blizzard doesnt give in..
Not all people pre-orders their copies via Amazon, how about GameStop, Battle.net and other stores, did they show their tops? Guess not.
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Hunters for me feels empty without using staffs, axe, swords and guns. Same for Shamans they feel so empty too without having their totems buffs or seeing them outsitde for 5mins. Got little a confuse at 1st with the talent, but after reading could manage to understand it better. Not sure to return on MoP or get my sub again before it comes on Sept. 25, my friends and families had quitted the game after 3 month playing Cata since start, I quitted too cause of my hubby did it too. We both played WotLKs private servers, changed to a few servers because some of them where bugged to death and I got tired of that, then he got invited to LOTRO, invited me to Allods Online, played Tera Online for a while, Forsaken World, Ether Saga and other MMOs. I'm really getting tire of MMOs, because a new one comes out that enforces you to upgrade your computer and after doing that you discover that x game was a waste of your time and money, then what? Like I said to my friends and family, not sure if I return to WoW, play GW2 or try another MMO or just quit and dedicate more of my life to art instead.
lazy? releasing an addon every 2 years having a full plan till 2016++?
if that's lazy i want more companies to be lazy :P
hint: maybe you just played it too long?
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