I have a Naga, one that sees ALMOST every left click as a double left click, making it quite a pain. Will probably take it apart this week and try to clean the contacts, but looking at the g600 myself.
In my experience the Naga is flimsy, my left click wore out and after doing a google search I found out it is a common problem.
On the other hand all my other input devices are Logitech, and again in my experience they are by contrast very sturdy. My current favorite is the G500.
My vote is for the Logitech, Razer is too gimmicky and cheap; to maximize profit they source the cheapest materials from which to make their products from.
I have the Naga 2012 and I'm loving it. I read several reviews on both of these mice, good and bad, and the Naga seemed better. I read that on the G600, which has that shift button, really got annoying to some people because it was right where you put your ring and/or pinky finger and was really easy to press accidentally. Also the grid is oddly put together (imo) its more like 2 sets of 6, since the first 6 buttons on the grid are concaved and then 7-12 are also concaved towards themselves so it might be weird going from hitting the 6 to say the 9 button because its not flat.
Also on the Naga I read that the 9-12 buttons on the grid sometimes weren't working for people, but I haven't had that problem and I've had the mouse 3 months. It's pretty sturdy and the changeable side grips are nice, all the same material but it seems it would fit a variety of hands well. Though mouse button 4 and 5 (the two behind scroll wheel) which are used default for forward/back button are a little hard to reach, but I'm getting used to it.
Overall I would still pick the Naga since I like the grid on this better than the one on G600. But that's just my opinion.
EDIT: I read a few reviews on the Naga being flimsy, I don't know about the others that wrote those reviews, but I take really good care of my stuff and I'm not pressing the buttons as hard as I can in the heat of the moment per say, just a nice click makes it work perfectly.
I love my g600. It fits my hand much better than the Naga. The side buttons are better indexed - you know exactly what buttons you are activating. I really like the 3rd, ring finger click on it too. I set that as my dodge key in GW2 and it works perfect. Plus Logitech mice are usually rock solid and reliable for years of use.
Originally posted by tomtom976 I love my g600. It fits my hand much better than the Naga. The side buttons are better indexed - you know exactly what buttons you are activating. I really like the 3rd, ring finger click on it too. I set that as my dodge key in GW2 and it works perfect. Plus Logitech mice are usually rock solid and reliable for years of use.
I have the Naga, and I really like it, but I think the G600 is setup a little better with the 12 action buttons. Both the Naga and G600 are kind of small. One definite advantage of the G600 is that you can rock the mouse wheel left and right for a 'Back' and 'Forward' button between gaming sessions.
** edit ** I think if the choice were between the Razer DeathAdder and any other gaming mouse, the DeathAdder would win, hands down. The ergonomics Razer has chosen to go with fit my hands nearly perfectly. With anything else though, I think Logitech has the advantage in quality of build.
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I also think that the razer naga is too small. I have a razer death adder that I like, and it feels larger than the naga to me. This isn't saying much, considering I can see the razer logo on the back between my index and middle fingers when I use the mouse.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
I've only had my naga for about 3 weeks, actively gaming with it for two of those weeks. In a nutshell I LOVE the mouse, but there are a few caviots.
First I had an odd firmware issue right out of the box. What I thought was a defective keypad, which caused me to send my first mouse back, turned out to be a firmware issue. Razer's support staff pointed me to a firmware update which magically frixed all my problems. It has been working perfect since then
second there are just too many damn buttons. I've been using Kkyrim to get more comfortable using the mouse. That game has taught me that you ae still better off using the 1-5 keys for quick weapons swaps. I only use the side keypad for mapped favorites 6-9. This combination works perfects proving to be the quickest way to access skills The other buttons are used for macros like sneak, which with a single button press sets my character to sneak + walking.
This is how I will use the mouse in GW2 also. GW2 moves fast, and this mouse + Logitech KB will maximize effectiveness.
Would I recamend the Naga, absolutely. However if I had it to do again I'd probably jusst get the Hex
i use to be just like that. a hardcore keybinder and was sure the naga was just a gimic. i was very wrong. the 12 abilities on my thumb made my PvE and PvP gameplay jump through the roof. i don't use the two extra buttons often and still press shift/alt/control to change up my normal 12 on my thumb (stubborn), but overall those 12 on my thumb were simply game changing. buddy got me one as a gift and i'll never look back.
to those who may be set in the 2 button mouse and keybinding, i say try a naga or the G600 out for a couple weeks. it really isn't for everyone though. a buddy of mine tried it for about a month and just couldn't get use to it (he's a very casual gamer though).
i started with a few abilities at a time. i think it was #8, 10, 11, and 12. after another week or so i had most of the #s down, and now it's all cake. really glad i changed up from the old mouse/keybind style.
I just went mouse-shopping. It was tough because both stores I went to didn't have the gaming mice out for holding. I was also torn between the naga and the G600. I went with the 600.
It just seemed to me that making the buttons for the thumb concave made more sense, as it makes tracking what button you're on easier (the next step these companies need to take is using a brail system on those buttons IMO).
On the 'shift' button. Through test-use on my computer I am finding that I am accidentally clicking it when using the thumb-buttons. However I don't see this as a big issue because if my hand doesn't retrain itself to not do that I can always 'turn off' that button so that it doesn't affect my game.
Originally posted by doragon86 The quality of the Razer Naga is lacking. I went through two of them, and gave up buying them. I got the g600 and have found its quality to be excellent as usual when it comes to logitech products. I will say this however. If you have small hands, the razer naga well fit better in your hands than the g600. However, if you have large hands, the g600 is the way to go.
was there any transition time between the naga and the 600? would think the change up would be instant minus that new pinky.
Not really, I actually adapted rather quickly to it. I honestly thought it was take longer, but that wasn't the case.
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Originally posted by doragon86 The quality of the Razer Naga is lacking. I went through two of them, and gave up buying them. I got the g600 and have found its quality to be excellent as usual when it comes to logitech products. I will say this however. If you have small hands, the razer naga well fit better in your hands than the g600. However, if you have large hands, the g600 is the way to go.
was there any transition time between the naga and the 600? would think the change up would be instant minus that new pinky.
Not really, I actually adapted rather quickly to it. I honestly thought it was take longer, but that wasn't the case.
I find the Naga a really wierd shape and never got used to it properly and the buttons are too small.
The G600 though is very comfortable, see the ring finger rest/button on it? that isn't just for fun it really makes a difference. The buttons are bigger on the G600, in a good way, they are raised a little more and angled as well so it's easier to navigate without looking and they have better feedback. I also think the software is better.
Technically, the G600 is also superior. It's newer tech.
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Late to the thread, but I've had both. They're both good, although I did have some issues with the Naga deciding to randomly left-click. The Naga was also a little small for my hand, so I grabbed the G600 since it is a little larger. It definitely fits my hand a bit better. My pinky isn't quite as comfortable on it as it was on the Naga, but so far that's my only criticism. The G600 has been great so far.
Originally posted by mindw0rk If you want mouse that will serve for few monthes - go for Razer Naga. If you want mouse that will serve for many years - go for Logitech
Been using my Naga daily for a year and a half now with 0 problems.
Originally posted by st4t1ck i did see some bad reviews when i bought my naga, but i have had zero problems with it, I love how i can set up my hot keys and such, wouldnt trade my naga for anything
Same, when I unboxed it few weeks ago, i was like what damn, this mouse is really really nice (but well the price is as well). All those bad review are not giving the mouse it's right picture for sure. The mouse is top quality, it is small and dense, the side button are easy to reach and don't trigger without your consent, the mouse have those side addition to fit different grips, and it is super confortable since all your finger rest on it well. Best mouse i had.
I actually used trackballs for years. I like the fine movement using just your thumb. Seriously, what's the point of waving your entire arm around when a little flick of the thumb does the trick?
But in the search for something better, and hearing about high dpi resolution mice, mmo mice, etc, I finally settled on the Razer Naga for both fps but mostly for mmos. I've been using it for 15 months and with a little cleaning with a moist paper towel, it's like new.
=== My thoughts on the Naga ===
The size and ergonomics of the mouse is great. Fits my hand perfectly and have never had any problems with any of the buttons losing functionality.
The side buttons are numerous, but pretty small and difficult to hit in a split second. Mapping keys on the keyboard around the WASD are infinitely better. Having said that, I can map buttons 1 and 2 to important moves like dodge and another quick reflex utility. To a lesser extend, I can access buttons 3-6. There is no way in hell I can hit buttons 7-12 with split second reaction time.
Playing an elementalist, I map left SHIFT to heal, QERF to F1-F4 and ZC to utilities. I like to bind mouse keys to things I want to do while moving so you dont have to hit a key while holding down another key. So dodge is great to bind to mouse 1 button.
The buttons on the side of the left click button are inaccessible and pretty much useless.
The software for the Naga is so easy to use and top notch.
=== Logitech G600 ===
Haven't tried it but it looks good.
=== Other mice ===
I would prefer a mouse with less buttons, but clearly defined and easy to hit. Maybe 4-5 buttons alternate to the left/right click that you could intuitively hit within a fraction of a second.
Until this ultimate mouse becomes available, I'm happy with the Naga.
these are bad designed (after few hours of gaming your wrist will be in pain) with usless left side buttons that only make you more confused and press wrong keys :P
now im using old x-718f
had few of these "pro gaming" mouses and not a single one was good
but if you like mouses with many buttons and think they are usefull in games go for it but you can bind any key to 1-4, qerfxc or ctrl, shift or alt + mouse buttons and it will be more handy than mashing wrong keys on12 left side of razer naga
Originally posted by slowpoke68 OP I have a naga sitting in my drawer. I used it a lot and it is a cool concept, but it really hurt my wrist after a week or so of gaming, so I started only using a 3 of the buttons. Also, it started having performance issues after that. So I would pass on it.
Yea, this is why I tend to use the buttons for less commonly used skills, cause the naga did cause some strain after extended usage. G600 is much more comfortable, but I'm sure it'll do some same thing after extended use.
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I have a Naga, one that sees ALMOST every left click as a double left click, making it quite a pain. Will probably take it apart this week and try to clean the contacts, but looking at the g600 myself.
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/08/kotaku-hardware-battles-mmo-gaming-mice/
And I just bought a G600 yesterday and i'm loving every minute of it!
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In my experience the Naga is flimsy, my left click wore out and after doing a google search I found out it is a common problem.
On the other hand all my other input devices are Logitech, and again in my experience they are by contrast very sturdy. My current favorite is the G500.
My vote is for the Logitech, Razer is too gimmicky and cheap; to maximize profit they source the cheapest materials from which to make their products from.
I have the Naga 2012 and I'm loving it. I read several reviews on both of these mice, good and bad, and the Naga seemed better. I read that on the G600, which has that shift button, really got annoying to some people because it was right where you put your ring and/or pinky finger and was really easy to press accidentally. Also the grid is oddly put together (imo) its more like 2 sets of 6, since the first 6 buttons on the grid are concaved and then 7-12 are also concaved towards themselves so it might be weird going from hitting the 6 to say the 9 button because its not flat.
Also on the Naga I read that the 9-12 buttons on the grid sometimes weren't working for people, but I haven't had that problem and I've had the mouse 3 months. It's pretty sturdy and the changeable side grips are nice, all the same material but it seems it would fit a variety of hands well. Though mouse button 4 and 5 (the two behind scroll wheel) which are used default for forward/back button are a little hard to reach, but I'm getting used to it.
Overall I would still pick the Naga since I like the grid on this better than the one on G600. But that's just my opinion.
EDIT: I read a few reviews on the Naga being flimsy, I don't know about the others that wrote those reviews, but I take really good care of my stuff and I'm not pressing the buttons as hard as I can in the heat of the moment per say, just a nice click makes it work perfectly.
personaly you only need a 2 button mouse and you can do everything just as easy if you remap your keyboard
simply make s,d,e,f your move keys
q,w,r,t your 1,2,3,4 keys
a your 5 key (big attack)
g your 6(heal)
z,x,c,v your 7,8,9,0 key
a side button on mouse for loot and middle mouse for weapon swap
space jump
setting the keyboard like this you dont need a mmo mouse
everything is on one hand all easy to reach
but best of all your movment and healing and big attack are the easiest to do as you rest your 4 fingers on asdf or asef
takes little bit to get used to but once its in your brain you wont even think about it
i just use a steel series diablo 3 mouse
I love my g600. It fits my hand much better than the Naga. The side buttons are better indexed - you know exactly what buttons you are activating. I really like the 3rd, ring finger click on it too. I set that as my dodge key in GW2 and it works perfect. Plus Logitech mice are usually rock solid and reliable for years of use.
I have the Naga, and I really like it, but I think the G600 is setup a little better with the 12 action buttons. Both the Naga and G600 are kind of small. One definite advantage of the G600 is that you can rock the mouse wheel left and right for a 'Back' and 'Forward' button between gaming sessions.
** edit **
I think if the choice were between the Razer DeathAdder and any other gaming mouse, the DeathAdder would win, hands down. The ergonomics Razer has chosen to go with fit my hands nearly perfectly. With anything else though, I think Logitech has the advantage in quality of build.
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I also think that the razer naga is too small. I have a razer death adder that I like, and it feels larger than the naga to me. This isn't saying much, considering I can see the razer logo on the back between my index and middle fingers when I use the mouse.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
I've only had my naga for about 3 weeks, actively gaming with it for two of those weeks. In a nutshell I LOVE the mouse, but there are a few caviots.
First I had an odd firmware issue right out of the box. What I thought was a defective keypad, which caused me to send my first mouse back, turned out to be a firmware issue. Razer's support staff pointed me to a firmware update which magically frixed all my problems. It has been working perfect since then
second there are just too many damn buttons.
I've been using Kkyrim to get more comfortable using the mouse. That game has taught me that you ae still better off using the 1-5 keys for quick weapons swaps. I only use the side keypad for mapped favorites 6-9. This combination works perfects proving to be the quickest way to access skills The other buttons are used for macros like sneak, which with a single button press sets my character to sneak + walking.
This is how I will use the mouse in GW2 also. GW2 moves fast, and this mouse + Logitech KB will maximize effectiveness.
Would I recamend the Naga, absolutely. However if I had it to do again I'd probably jusst get the Hex
http://www.razerzone.com/hex
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i use to be just like that. a hardcore keybinder and was sure the naga was just a gimic. i was very wrong. the 12 abilities on my thumb made my PvE and PvP gameplay jump through the roof. i don't use the two extra buttons often and still press shift/alt/control to change up my normal 12 on my thumb (stubborn), but overall those 12 on my thumb were simply game changing. buddy got me one as a gift and i'll never look back.
to those who may be set in the 2 button mouse and keybinding, i say try a naga or the G600 out for a couple weeks. it really isn't for everyone though. a buddy of mine tried it for about a month and just couldn't get use to it (he's a very casual gamer though).
i started with a few abilities at a time. i think it was #8, 10, 11, and 12. after another week or so i had most of the #s down, and now it's all cake. really glad i changed up from the old mouse/keybind style.
I just went mouse-shopping. It was tough because both stores I went to didn't have the gaming mice out for holding. I was also torn between the naga and the G600. I went with the 600.
It just seemed to me that making the buttons for the thumb concave made more sense, as it makes tracking what button you're on easier (the next step these companies need to take is using a brail system on those buttons IMO).
On the 'shift' button. Through test-use on my computer I am finding that I am accidentally clicking it when using the thumb-buttons. However I don't see this as a big issue because if my hand doesn't retrain itself to not do that I can always 'turn off' that button so that it doesn't affect my game.
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Not really, I actually adapted rather quickly to it. I honestly thought it was take longer, but that wasn't the case.
"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
~Lord George Gordon Byron
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I find the Naga a really wierd shape and never got used to it properly and the buttons are too small.
The G600 though is very comfortable, see the ring finger rest/button on it? that isn't just for fun it really makes a difference. The buttons are bigger on the G600, in a good way, they are raised a little more and angled as well so it's easier to navigate without looking and they have better feedback. I also think the software is better.
Technically, the G600 is also superior. It's newer tech.
Been using my Naga daily for a year and a half now with 0 problems.
Same, when I unboxed it few weeks ago, i was like what damn, this mouse is really really nice (but well the price is as well). All those bad review are not giving the mouse it's right picture for sure. The mouse is top quality, it is small and dense, the side button are easy to reach and don't trigger without your consent, the mouse have those side addition to fit different grips, and it is super confortable since all your finger rest on it well. Best mouse i had.
pr0 advice:
never buy anything from razer (only buy if you prefer terrible poor quality).
I actually used trackballs for years. I like the fine movement using just your thumb. Seriously, what's the point of waving your entire arm around when a little flick of the thumb does the trick?
But in the search for something better, and hearing about high dpi resolution mice, mmo mice, etc, I finally settled on the Razer Naga for both fps but mostly for mmos. I've been using it for 15 months and with a little cleaning with a moist paper towel, it's like new.
=== My thoughts on the Naga ===
The size and ergonomics of the mouse is great. Fits my hand perfectly and have never had any problems with any of the buttons losing functionality.
The side buttons are numerous, but pretty small and difficult to hit in a split second. Mapping keys on the keyboard around the WASD are infinitely better. Having said that, I can map buttons 1 and 2 to important moves like dodge and another quick reflex utility. To a lesser extend, I can access buttons 3-6. There is no way in hell I can hit buttons 7-12 with split second reaction time.
Playing an elementalist, I map left SHIFT to heal, QERF to F1-F4 and ZC to utilities. I like to bind mouse keys to things I want to do while moving so you dont have to hit a key while holding down another key. So dodge is great to bind to mouse 1 button.
The buttons on the side of the left click button are inaccessible and pretty much useless.
The software for the Naga is so easy to use and top notch.
=== Logitech G600 ===
Haven't tried it but it looks good.
=== Other mice ===
I would prefer a mouse with less buttons, but clearly defined and easy to hit. Maybe 4-5 buttons alternate to the left/right click that you could intuitively hit within a fraction of a second.
Until this ultimate mouse becomes available, I'm happy with the Naga.
im not a fan of these mouse for "pro gamer"
these are bad designed (after few hours of gaming your wrist will be in pain) with usless left side buttons that only make you more confused and press wrong keys :P
now im using old x-718f
had few of these "pro gaming" mouses and not a single one was good
but if you like mouses with many buttons and think they are usefull in games go for it but you can bind any key to 1-4, qerfxc or ctrl, shift or alt + mouse buttons and it will be more handy than mashing wrong keys on12 left side of razer naga
Razer = breaks!
Logitech also = breaks!
But Logitech will probably last a bit longer and present more ergonomic design
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Yea, this is why I tend to use the buttons for less commonly used skills, cause the naga did cause some strain after extended usage. G600 is much more comfortable, but I'm sure it'll do some same thing after extended use.
"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
~Lord George Gordon Byron