But you can play other races regardless of expansions. Also you'll be able to play as a panda once the expansion launches regardless of whether or not you purchased MoP or not. That's the first time Blizz did this with any expansion.
i think Blizzard is doing some things to compete w ANET but i dont see how this makes a big difference
I agree its a HUGE difference for Sept 25th
but for Aug 28th, it means people that dont own Cata can start playing Worgen and Goblins
last summer,
Blizzard did something similar, they made Blood Elves and Dranei available to players that dont own BC
you were not allowed to goto the Outlands, but had access to the starting areas for BC
Blizzard didnt do this for Cata - agreed
for MOP, players can start Pandas on sept 25 and visit the starting area (Wandering Isle) but wont be able to travel to pandaria
It may not be a coincidence, but it doesn't mean Blizzard is "scared" of GW2 or anything. Blizzard could lose 90% of thier current subs and they'd still have the number one subscribed MMO...by alot...I really don't think any single game is going to take 90% of Blizzard's subscribers lol.
Edit: GW2 will be no different from any of the recently released MMOs. People overhype it, a good game gets bought by a million or so, that good game then gets bashed by people who overhyped it, then the game goes f2p, people still bash it...at least GW2 can skip the f2p part, as it won't have a sub hehe. I think alot of people forget that GW2 is going to be B2P with no subscription...you know you can play more than one game right?
Originally posted by Gravarg It may not be a coincidence, but it doesn't mean Blizzard is "scared" of GW2 or anything. Blizzard could lose 90% of thier current subs and they'd still have the number one subscribed MMO...by alot...I really don't think any single game is going to take 90% of Blizzard's subscribers lol.
my post on this topic is relevant to your statement, at least I think:
Originally posted by Gravarg It may not be a coincidence, but it doesn't mean Blizzard is "scared" of GW2 or anything. Blizzard could lose 90% of thier current subs and they'd still have the number one subscribed MMO...by alot...I really don't think any single game is going to take 90% of Blizzard's subscribers lol.
my post on this topic is relevant to your statement, at least I think:
yep, that's probably the only reason blizzard planned it for the exact same day, noone wants to lose subscribers, but is Blizzard going to close up shop if they lose a million subscribers...uh I highly doubt that. I wouldn't be suprised if WoW was around another 10 years, and still on top.
Originally posted by Gravarg It may not be a coincidence, but it doesn't mean Blizzard is "scared" of GW2 or anything. Blizzard could lose 90% of thier current subs and they'd still have the number one subscribed MMO...by alot...I really don't think any single game is going to take 90% of Blizzard's subscribers lol.
my post on this topic is relevant to your statement, at least I think:
yep, that's probably the only reason blizzard planned it for the exact same day, noone wants to lose subscribers, but is Blizzard going to close up shop if they lose a million subscribers...uh I highly doubt that. I wouldn't be suprised if WoW was around another 10 years, and still on top.
I doubt they will close up shop, but they definitely can't afford to be as complacent anymore; They need a fire under their ass right about now.
Well this is good for those that will be playing wow, choices are nice. Good job blizzard, here's a pat on the back from a former wow only player and future GW2 only player. Also like to say thanks for the great times it was fun and looking forward to seeing what titans is. Hold off on that for a couple years though because GW2 really cool from what I have experienced thus far and it was only a small taste of what's there.
How many people play WoW seriously and don't own the latest expansions?
I really only see this benefiting people who download the trial version of the game, or people who pick up or are gifted a Battle Chest for some occasion.
For the average player this isn't going to change anything.
But imagine this, you are a long time player, purchased all of the expansions to play the races when they became available or be locked out from them and you spent all of that money to do so. Now newbies can do that for nothing. lol, I feel like I've been robbed.
But yeah, perhaps it will retain some people, attract more subs, a good move since they are losing subs (down to just over 9 milliion according to the last financial report).. sensing a little desperation here too, but not a total panic switch to f2p level yet.
Wait why do you feel robbed? I mean you have had how many more hours, days, years of time to both play, and use the races from the last expansion, Also if you take the cost of the game an then itemized the price you would pay for each bonus, feature, and additon to the game the expansion put forth the price of such things is actually really low ann inexpensive. Anyone feeling robbed should remember they got to play an enjoy the races that are now not being expansion locked for alot longer, as such i would say that they got their moneys worth out of the purchase, and just feel that they are not being treated special anymore by other people getting the ability to play their race regardless of what expansion they are using.
I myself will most likely not be returning to wow as many of the aspects that brought me to be interested in wow are getting torpedoed. Such as the talent system which is being largely simplified (not always bad as it will lead to more enjoyable and deverse builds for playing), where as i would have much rather seen them keep the talent system somewhat the same. Such as getting rid of the talented abilities in the taalent tree themselves, while making it that after spending a number of talent points you gain the ability to choose to talent one of several abilities on a secondary talent pagem since this would give more depth an diversity to the system. Such as speccing into protection tree of a pally, yet choosing talent-abilities that are more healing or damage oriented, while you could do the opposite of going more healing with alot of defensive abilities as well.
Also what is the issue with blizzard competeing with gw2, rift, or any other game, in whatever fashion they do it is? I mean rift has poked shots, competed, gw2 will be competeing with them, aion competed with them, and yet none of them are made out to be doing anything other than good business practices. While once blizz does it everyone starts talking about how terrible and scared wow must be to directly challenge and compete with another game regardless of how much or litte they might steel of their payerbase). I say if you mess with the bull you get the horns, and that is fair they want to compete an challlenge wow or any game they should expect to be challenged an competed against in kind, It really does come down to that wow is using what it can to plug an control the fall out form gw2's launch, weither they are worried or just that they are trying to keep as many subs regardless of who might take them in wow, so that more people might buy or play mop is a much higher reason for blizzard doing this actually.
Originally posted by Asuran24 Also what is the issue with blizzard competeing with gw2, rift, or any other game, in whatever fashion they do it is? I mean rift has poked shots, competed, gw2 will be competeing with them, aion competed with them, and yet none of them are made out to be doing anything other than good business practices. While once blizz does it everyone starts talking about how terrible and scared wow must be to directly challenge and compete with another game regardless of how much or litte they might steel of their payerbase).
I say if you mess with the bull you get the horns, and that is fair they want to compete an challlenge wow or any game they should expect to be challenged an competed against in kind, It really does come down to that wow is using what it can to plug an control the fall out form gw2's launch, weither they are worried or just that they are trying to keep as many subs regardless of who might take them in wow, so that more people might buy or play mop is a much higher reason for blizzard doing this actually.
First off, paragraphs.
2nd, I actually don't have any issues with them competing; if anything, this might force Blizzard to haul ass and do something as opposed to the droughts we got in Cataclysm.
Originally posted by Grotar89 Sry Blizzard this wont help you, GW2 is coming !!!!
You are aware that GW2 is b2p, and therefore isn't going to steal subscribers from wow, right?
Actually that has nothing to do with anything. People aren't going to maintain WoW subscriptions simply because GW2 is B2P. If they stop playing WoW because off GW2, most people will cancel their subscriptions.
WoW will be around for years to come BUT it's going to continue a downward spiral. There might be short term increases but the game is old. Hell I started a year after the release and I'm done now, no expansion for me and in November I'm not renewing. Not in protest, it's just old and there are a lot of other games now to fill my limited play time.
Originally posted by Grotar89 Sry Blizzard this wont help you, GW2 is coming !!!!
You are aware that GW2 is b2p, and therefore isn't going to steal subscribers from wow, right?
Actually that has nothing to do with anything. People aren't going to maintain WoW subscriptions simply because GW2 is B2P. If they stop playing WoW because off GW2, most people will cancel their subscriptions.
Alot of people play more then one game. And alot of them pay for a subscription to each game. Your logic is flawed really, as just because you devote your entire gameplay to one game, does not mean everyone else does. I play more then one game a month all the time, and sometimes I susbcribe to both, sometimes one is only a B2P.
Alot of people play more then one game. And alot of them pay for a subscription to each game. Your logic is flawed really, as just because you devote your entire gameplay to one game, does not mean everyone else does. I play more then one game a month all the time, and sometimes I susbcribe to both, sometimes one is only a B2P.
Yeah, everyone with time enough for both but people with work and families is another matter, most of them will have to choose since their problem is time, not money.
MMOs do take up a lot of time so playing 2 at the sime time is not a luxury everyone can afford no matter if they are free or not.
Originally posted by Asuran24 Also what is the issue with blizzard competeing with gw2, rift, or any other game, in whatever fashion they do it is? I mean rift has poked shots, competed, gw2 will be competeing with them, aion competed with them, and yet none of them are made out to be doing anything other than good business practices. While once blizz does it everyone starts talking about how terrible and scared wow must be to directly challenge and compete with another game regardless of how much or litte they might steel of their payerbase).
I say if you mess with the bull you get the horns, and that is fair they want to compete an challlenge wow or any game they should expect to be challenged an competed against in kind, It really does come down to that wow is using what it can to plug an control the fall out form gw2's launch, weither they are worried or just that they are trying to keep as many subs regardless of who might take them in wow, so that more people might buy or play mop is a much higher reason for blizzard doing this actually.
First off, paragraphs.
2nd, I actually don't have any issues with them competing; if anything, this might force Blizzard to haul ass and do something as opposed to the droughts we got in Cataclysm.
I agree with ya here as both (atleast for me) lk an cata were largely pretty bad let downs for me compared to bc, and mop seems to be heading for another such happening. They need to get it through their skull that making your game more inclusive an easy to grasp, does not mean making it drasticly easy an removing large amounts of complexity.
I'm sure some of you know how much I love GW2. But can we talk about WoW in a wow thread?
I know there will always be comparisons but c'mon GW2 community. People can like different games. Why can't we just be happy?
Good point. And yes, discussing other games in ths thread is kinda off topic, the point of the thread is that Wow is allowing you to play races from expansions you don´t own, nothing else.
But I think Wow should do like EQ2 did years ago and give you all old expansions when you buy the latests, it would make it easier to bring in new players and Blizz would actually earn money on that, box sales is nothing compared to monthly fees.
I'm sure some of you know how much I love GW2. But can we talk about WoW in a wow thread?
I know there will always be comparisons but c'mon GW2 community. People can like different games. Why can't we just be happy?
Good point. And yes, discussing other games in ths thread is kinda off topic, the point of the thread is that Wow is allowing you to play races from expansions you don´t own, nothing else.
But I think Wow should do like EQ2 did years ago and give you all old expansions when you buy the latests, it would make it easier to bring in new players and Blizz would actually earn money on that, box sales is nothing compared to monthly fees.
I agree with the underlinded. It makes more sense I would go back and check things out more often this way than having to buy every new expansion.
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They got me back with new vid. I almost forgot how awesome is to be in Azeroth, mmmm this magic sounds ..... What ever i try is nothing like wow, it is like coming back home again
Originally posted by Grotar89 Sry Blizzard this wont help you, GW2 is coming !!!!
Looool ... Wow is shaking in fear ;-)
it should be you lost 2 mil subs in the last two years , maybe think about what you say before you say it.
Are you trying to insinuate that it happened because of GW2?
GW2 will have very minimal impact on WoW like every other MMO before it, that is the reality whether you want to accept it or not its up to you, people that quit WoW are very likely not going to play more MMORPGs as it has been discussed over and over and over again on these forums.
Also the trend is that they will increase their subs even if temporarily after MoP is released, that is also a fact, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, the increase I dont know, but that the population will massively increase when the xpac is released I have no doubt about.
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i think Blizzard is doing some things to compete w ANET but i dont see how this makes a big difference
I agree its a HUGE difference for Sept 25th
but for Aug 28th, it means people that dont own Cata can start playing Worgen and Goblins
last summer,
Blizzard did something similar, they made Blood Elves and Dranei available to players that dont own BC
you were not allowed to goto the Outlands, but had access to the starting areas for BC
Blizzard didnt do this for Cata - agreed
for MOP, players can start Pandas on sept 25 and visit the starting area (Wandering Isle) but wont be able to travel to pandaria
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It may not be a coincidence, but it doesn't mean Blizzard is "scared" of GW2 or anything. Blizzard could lose 90% of thier current subs and they'd still have the number one subscribed MMO...by alot...I really don't think any single game is going to take 90% of Blizzard's subscribers lol.
Edit: GW2 will be no different from any of the recently released MMOs. People overhype it, a good game gets bought by a million or so, that good game then gets bashed by people who overhyped it, then the game goes f2p, people still bash it...at least GW2 can skip the f2p part, as it won't have a sub hehe. I think alot of people forget that GW2 is going to be B2P with no subscription...you know you can play more than one game right?
my post on this topic is relevant to your statement, at least I think:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5215331#5215331
yep, that's probably the only reason blizzard planned it for the exact same day, noone wants to lose subscribers, but is Blizzard going to close up shop if they lose a million subscribers...uh I highly doubt that. I wouldn't be suprised if WoW was around another 10 years, and still on top.
I doubt they will close up shop, but they definitely can't afford to be as complacent anymore; They need a fire under their ass right about now.
How many people play WoW seriously and don't own the latest expansions?
I really only see this benefiting people who download the trial version of the game, or people who pick up or are gifted a Battle Chest for some occasion.
For the average player this isn't going to change anything.
You are aware that GW2 is b2p, and therefore isn't going to steal subscribers from wow, right?
Wait why do you feel robbed? I mean you have had how many more hours, days, years of time to both play, and use the races from the last expansion, Also if you take the cost of the game an then itemized the price you would pay for each bonus, feature, and additon to the game the expansion put forth the price of such things is actually really low ann inexpensive. Anyone feeling robbed should remember they got to play an enjoy the races that are now not being expansion locked for alot longer, as such i would say that they got their moneys worth out of the purchase, and just feel that they are not being treated special anymore by other people getting the ability to play their race regardless of what expansion they are using.
I myself will most likely not be returning to wow as many of the aspects that brought me to be interested in wow are getting torpedoed. Such as the talent system which is being largely simplified (not always bad as it will lead to more enjoyable and deverse builds for playing), where as i would have much rather seen them keep the talent system somewhat the same. Such as getting rid of the talented abilities in the taalent tree themselves, while making it that after spending a number of talent points you gain the ability to choose to talent one of several abilities on a secondary talent pagem since this would give more depth an diversity to the system. Such as speccing into protection tree of a pally, yet choosing talent-abilities that are more healing or damage oriented, while you could do the opposite of going more healing with alot of defensive abilities as well.
First off, paragraphs.
2nd, I actually don't have any issues with them competing; if anything, this might force Blizzard to haul ass and do something as opposed to the droughts we got in Cataclysm.
Actually that has nothing to do with anything. People aren't going to maintain WoW subscriptions simply because GW2 is B2P. If they stop playing WoW because off GW2, most people will cancel their subscriptions.
WoW will be around for years to come BUT it's going to continue a downward spiral. There might be short term increases but the game is old. Hell I started a year after the release and I'm done now, no expansion for me and in November I'm not renewing. Not in protest, it's just old and there are a lot of other games now to fill my limited play time.
I'm sure some of you know how much I love GW2. But can we talk about WoW in a wow thread?
I know there will always be comparisons but c'mon GW2 community. People can like different games. Why can't we just be happy?
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
Alot of people play more then one game. And alot of them pay for a subscription to each game. Your logic is flawed really, as just because you devote your entire gameplay to one game, does not mean everyone else does. I play more then one game a month all the time, and sometimes I susbcribe to both, sometimes one is only a B2P.
Yeah, everyone with time enough for both but people with work and families is another matter, most of them will have to choose since their problem is time, not money.
MMOs do take up a lot of time so playing 2 at the sime time is not a luxury everyone can afford no matter if they are free or not.
I agree with ya here as both (atleast for me) lk an cata were largely pretty bad let downs for me compared to bc, and mop seems to be heading for another such happening. They need to get it through their skull that making your game more inclusive an easy to grasp, does not mean making it drasticly easy an removing large amounts of complexity.
Good point. And yes, discussing other games in ths thread is kinda off topic, the point of the thread is that Wow is allowing you to play races from expansions you don´t own, nothing else.
But I think Wow should do like EQ2 did years ago and give you all old expansions when you buy the latests, it would make it easier to bring in new players and Blizz would actually earn money on that, box sales is nothing compared to monthly fees.
I agree with the underlinded. It makes more sense I would go back and check things out more often this way than having to buy every new expansion.
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Youtube Content creator for The Elder Scrolls Online
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Are you trying to insinuate that it happened because of GW2?
GW2 will have very minimal impact on WoW like every other MMO before it, that is the reality whether you want to accept it or not its up to you, people that quit WoW are very likely not going to play more MMORPGs as it has been discussed over and over and over again on these forums.
Also the trend is that they will increase their subs even if temporarily after MoP is released, that is also a fact, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, the increase I dont know, but that the population will massively increase when the xpac is released I have no doubt about.