I take it back...Guild Wars 2 has the best MMO combat I've played

TheScavenger · August 2012

So, I got past the tutorial and hit level 17. Before I just spammed one button and killed everything. But doing that after the tutorial, I couldn't kill anything.

Now, I never played Tera...which I heard has awesome combat. However, out of the MMOs I have played...I never been so involved.

In WoW, I literally always fell asleep during combat, because the animations were so slow and plain. In GW2, combat animations are really fast.

On top of that...I have to dodge, manage cooldowns...in fact...I totally forgot that there was no mana at all. It is so active. And I love the fact I can dodge, instead of having heat seaking arrows/spells coming toward you. And like I said, if I just spam one key...I just end up dead.

So, after playing further after I made my previous thread that combat was dumbed down...I take that back. The most enjoyable combat I've played in a MMO.

Yamota · August 2012

I like GW 2's combat, it is multifaceted and challenging, however I feel TERA's aimbased combat is better. GW 2 seems to be a more complete game though, so far anyway.

Naevius · August 2012

Some enemies are insanely hard or insanely easy, all based on whether you dodge at the right time. Good fun.

Eberhardt · August 2012

*stands up applauding with tears streaming down cheeks* BRAVOOOO! Someone who had a change of opinion. This almost never happens! Seriously...most people hate something and will blindly and ignorantly hate it forever without ever trying it or opening their eyes to look at it for what it is.

I, for one, commend you.

adam_nox · August 2012

I'm only 11 so I can't really say what it's like later, but I used all my skills as they are pretty much all better than auto attack, and I'm not finding it particularly fun. Every fight seems to be painfully difficult, an outright gangbang (during DEs when other players run away), or so easy it doesn't matter what you do. There's a sweet spot that the game, at this point, seems to miss entirely. Hopefully it gets better.

Scalpless · August 2012

You mean... you admit you were wrong? On the Internet? On MMORPG.com?! You MUST be doing something evil here.

In all seriousness, combat was really tough from the get-go during the first beta weekend. Then they made the first few levels easy enough to serve as a tutorial. I don't like it, but I understand why it had to be done.

arieste · August 2012

Originally posted by TheScavenger
So, I got past the tutorial and hit level 17. Before I just spammed one button and killed everything. But doing that after the tutorial, I couldn't kill anything.

Now, I never played Tera...which I heard has awesome combat. However, out of the MMOs I have played...I never been so involved.

In WoW, I literally always fell asleep during combat, because the animations were so slow and plain. In GW2, combat animations are really fast.

On top of that...I have to dodge, manage cooldowns...in fact...I totally forgot that there was no mana at all. It is so active. And I love the fact I can dodge, instead of having heat seaking arrows/spells coming toward you. And like I said, if I just spam one key...I just end up dead.

So, after playing further after I made my previous thread that combat was dumbed down...I take that back. The most enjoyable combat I've played in a MMO.

So, since I'm also on the side of people unimpressed with GW2's combat, perhaps you can change my mind also.

Can you tell me - in your experience - what what the most difficult encounter you defeated, what made it challenging, in what ways did you have to coordinate with others to defeat it and how many times did your group fail before you finally managed to get it down?

xpiher · August 2012

Originally posted by adam_nox
I'm only 11 so I can't really say what it's like later, but I used all my skills as they are pretty much all better than auto attack, and I'm not finding it particularly fun. Every fight seems to be painfully difficult, an outright gangbang (during DEs when other players run away), or so easy it doesn't matter what you do. There's a sweet spot that the game, at this point, seems to miss entirely. Hopefully it gets better.

It gets better. The giant zone PQs (The Swamp Slumbers for instance) require a decent amount of corrdination to pull off correctly. But it could also be your class (I'm a necro) were it'll be easy for awhile due to how you made your build

Sluske · August 2012

Originally posted by Scalpless
You mean... you admit you were wrong? On the Internet? On MMORPG.com?! You MUST be doing something evil here.

Worldfirst!!!

Kudos to you OP, for doin something never seen on these boards.

Mithrandolir · August 2012

Good deal! Glad you came to enjoy it. And major kudos to you for coming here and updating your thoughts.

I agree, GW2 combat is a LOT of fun. It's active and interactive, and it's fast and furious.

teakbois · August 2012

Originally posted by Yamota
I like GW 2's combat, it is multifaceted and challenging, however I feel TERA's aimbased combat is better. GW 2 seems to be a more complete game though, so far anyway.

TERA is like making a burger with a stale bun, low grade meat thats over cooked, and no cheese and putting bacon on top of it. Yeah, bacon is awesome but its still a shitty burger.

At least from a PvE perspective i find GW2 combat more engaging because of the weapon swapping and much greater situational focus.

Vhaln · August 2012

I like GW2's combat a lot. Don't know if I'd say it's the best I've played, Tera was better in some ways, Rift was better in some ways, even Aion and AoC were right up there. GW2 is definitely one of the best, though.

What GW2 has over all those games is that it's so well rounded and polished. It's one of the best MMOs, in almost every way, while these others have glaring flaws that brought them down, despite their strengths.

Stx11 · August 2012

Originally posted by TheScavenger
So, I got past the tutorial and hit level 17. Before I just spammed one button and killed everything. But doing that after the tutorial, I couldn't kill anything.

Now, I never played Tera...which I heard has awesome combat. However, out of the MMOs I have played...I never been so involved.

In WoW, I literally always fell asleep during combat, because the animations were so slow and plain. In GW2, combat animations are really fast.

On top of that...I have to dodge, manage cooldowns...in fact...I totally forgot that there was no mana at all. It is so active. And I love the fact I can dodge, instead of having heat seaking arrows/spells coming toward you. And like I said, if I just spam one key...I just end up dead.

So, after playing further after I made my previous thread that combat was dumbed down...I take that back. The most enjoyable combat I've played in a MMO.

I commend you for your post - agree/disagree doesn't matter.

It is so rare to see anybody keep an open mind or admit when their initial impressions radically changed.

The best part of this post to me is that you found something you are really enjoying - it would be nice if all of us could find that in a game!

Lucioon · August 2012

Originally posted by arieste
Originally posted by TheScavenger
So, I got past the tutorial and hit level 17. Before I just spammed one button and killed everything. But doing that after the tutorial, I couldn't kill anything.

Now, I never played Tera...which I heard has awesome combat. However, out of the MMOs I have played...I never been so involved.

In WoW, I literally always fell asleep during combat, because the animations were so slow and plain. In GW2, combat animations are really fast.

On top of that...I have to dodge, manage cooldowns...in fact...I totally forgot that there was no mana at all. It is so active. And I love the fact I can dodge, instead of having heat seaking arrows/spells coming toward you. And like I said, if I just spam one key...I just end up dead.

So, after playing further after I made my previous thread that combat was dumbed down...I take that back. The most enjoyable combat I've played in a MMO.

So, since I'm also on the side of people unimpressed with GW2's combat, perhaps you can change my mind also.

Can you tell me - in your experience - what what the most difficult encounter you defeated, what made it challenging, in what ways did you have to coordinate with others to defeat it and how many times did your group fail before you finally managed to get it down?

I am unsure if this will change your mind, or is it different for other Classes. But from my experience, during your Personal Story for a Warrior Charr you will be challenged to fight against an Veteran NPC.

For those that knows, Veteran NPC is harder than normal Mobs.

Althought you will have an NPC with you, you will be alone in the fight.

I came out ontop, almost died a few times, but with kiting, switching weapons, CC, and overall luck. I was able to win. Because you get scaled to the level of the encounter it will always be hard regardless of when you do the fight.

So I was very impressed and surprised that Personal Story was Hard.

And that was fun.

tinuelle · August 2012

Originally posted by Eberhardt
*stands up applauding with tears streaming down cheeks* BRAVOOOO!

Eberhardt convulses in agony as you place your dagger in him, and blood pours over your hands.

You dealth the deathblow to Eberhardt.

You get an Amulet of the Chaos, a Silk trousers, a silver bracers, a Collar, a Silver Fullplate, a Amulet of Light, a Talisman of Seeliy, a large shield, a Large Knapsack, a Skeleton Ring, a helmet and a Silk shirt from corpse of Eberhardt.

zevni78 · August 2012

TERA's combat felt better with melee as you had full collision detention, and the aim system made it easier to focus your view than in GW2, but the skills are more fun and the down system and rez system is better in GW2. As for difficulty, in GW2 I went out of my way to take on mobs 2 lvls higher than me, and the challenge was great, one wrong timed dodge and I was dead, GW2 will always feel harder than most WoW style mmos due to the scale system, but it needs to be, easy PVE along with the terrible tab target, hot bar combat that everyone uses never gets interesting once you get bored of the routine.

Vhaln · August 2012

Originally posted by Lucioon
I am unsure if this will change your mind, or is it different for other Classes. But from my experience, during your Personal Story for a Warrior Charr you will be challenged to fight against an Veteran NPC.

For those that knows, Veteran NPC is harder than normal Mobs.

Althought you will have an NPC with you, you will be alone in the fight.

I came out ontop, almost died a few times, but with kiting, switching weapons, CC, and overall luck. I was able to win. Because you get scaled to the level of the encounter it will always be hard regardless of when you do the fight.

So I was very impressed and surprised that Personal Story was Hard.

And that was fun.

Speaking of which, guess I have a ways to go, because I can't beat mine. Sylvari Ranger, where I have to infiltrate the nightmare court, save someone, and then fight my way out, and I just get mauled. Don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I've given up for a while.

Serignuad · August 2012

Originally posted by TheScavenger So, I got past the tutorial and hit level 17. Before I just spammed one button and killed everything. But doing that after the tutorial, I couldn't kill anything. Now, I never played Tera...which I heard has awesome combat. However, out of the MMOs I have played...I never been so involved. In WoW, I literally always fell asleep during combat, because the animations were so slow and plain. In GW2, combat animations are really fast. On top of that...I have to dodge, manage cooldowns...in fact...I totally forgot that there was no mana at all. It is so active. And I love the fact I can dodge, instead of having heat seaking arrows/spells coming toward you. And like I said, if I just spam one key...I just end up dead. So, after playing further after I made my previous thread that combat was dumbed down...I take that back. The most enjoyable combat I've played in a MMO.

Can acting in a mature and reasonable manner in a crowd of trolls, haters and fanbous considered trolling?

And it sounds like tey took a page from Asherons Call as far as dodging incoming spells. Glad to hear that its going to be as helpful here as it was/ is there.

Also encouraging to hear someone stating that the combat gets harder and ability spamming becomes less/unviable after the starter zones.

freston · August 2012

Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by Lucioon
I am unsure if this will change your mind, or is it different for other Classes. But from my experience, during your Personal Story for a Warrior Charr you will be challenged to fight against an Veteran NPC.

For those that knows, Veteran NPC is harder than normal Mobs.

Althought you will have an NPC with you, you will be alone in the fight.

I came out ontop, almost died a few times, but with kiting, switching weapons, CC, and overall luck. I was able to win. Because you get scaled to the level of the encounter it will always be hard regardless of when you do the fight.

So I was very impressed and surprised that Personal Story was Hard.

And that was fun.

Speaking of which, guess I have a ways to go, because I can't beat mine. Sylvari Ranger, where I have to infiltrate the nightmare court, save someone, and then fight my way out, and I just get mauled. Don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I've given up for a while.

If its the Green Knight Quest i think i also did it on a ranger. i guess you mean the part in which you rescue the smith. I think i used an axe/axe , but cant remember well. Have you got more than one pet? i remember finding juveniles was a problem with my silvari, had to play the norn starter zones to get a few more pets...perhaps that could be the problem

eye_m · August 2012

blocked yesterday, unblocked today. Congrats on having the perseverence to make your opinion educated.

Vhaln · August 2012

Originally posted by freston
If its the Green Knight Quest i think i also did it on a ranger. i guess you mean the part in which you rescue the smith. I think i used an axe/axe , but cant remember well. Have you got more than one pet? i remember finding juveniles was a problem with my silvari, had to play the norn starter zones to get a few more pets...perhaps that could be the problem

Seems to be so many quest variations. In mine, I had to rescue someone's girlfriend or something, I'm not sure, I kind of ignore the story. but yeah, I'm still using my starter pet, because I haven't been able to find any juveniles. Also, didn't know I could use axe in my off-hand. That's how much of a n00b I am

maskedweasel · August 2012

Personally I don't think the combat is really that great... what IS great is the fact that you scale to whatever you are fighting. Without it, the combat would get even more stale then how it is now.

Don't get me wrong, I have fun playing the game, I'm very good at action based combat, and GW2 is definitely one of the best out there, where macroing and aimbots really won't help you much, but overall the skill use feels very minimal, even when I'm constantly switching weapons back and forth. Its partially my class I suppose, as something like the elementalist would give me a lot more skills at my disposal without being too cumbersome but... I digress.

I feel extremely powerful and have fantastic survivability as a mesmer, but without scaling, I'd easily steamroll everything as I can solo veteran and champion bosses... without the scaling and the sense of "a few missteps and I'm toast" the combat wouldn't feel much different than most other MMOs.

byendrey · August 2012

Good now everyone stop making threads just to be a critic and game snob.

Angier2758 · August 2012

Past the starter area you can't 1 button spam and be successful.

As an example of a harder fight (this is at lvl 11 I believe?) the human noble story where you fight justin bieber (you know the guy) he has a huge dude with him... normally you'd go "well easy just focus caster bieber and the fight will go easy...

Nope the big tanky dude will rez him. Skills you have to deal with: aoe knock back, stun field seemed to be the big mechanics.... that combined with how they try to rez eachother can make it a pain.

Luckily I was a mesmer so I could delay the fight, throw up armor, leaves clones and dodge around.... but eventually I won. I wiped during a couple ambush story type fights though... honestly wasn't expecting a rough fight so early.

Volkon · August 2012

Originally posted by adam_nox
I'm only 11 so I can't really say what it's like later, but I used all my skills as they are pretty much all better than auto attack, and I'm not finding it particularly fun. Every fight seems to be painfully difficult, an outright gangbang (during DEs when other players run away), or so easy it doesn't matter what you do. There's a sweet spot that the game, at this point, seems to miss entirely. Hopefully it gets better.

This may help Adam... take a moment to look at your skills and see what each one does. Take note of the ones with various control aspects... things that keep the enemy from hurting you. Remember to keep them 'in your pocket', so to speak, until you actually need them. On my mesmers greatsword, for example, I know that I want to get my phantasm out early that keeps applying cripples on the foes and I want to keep skill 5 in reserve for when the bad guy gets close. I also can try to not shatter clones right away, but maybe save them for a quick F3 if I need an interrupt. Your skills have your damage, control and support aspects tied to them. Once you learn those at the skill level it gets easier to find a flow.

Lucioon · August 2012

Oh, here is another example!

So I was just exploring this cave system to get to a Vista, then all of a sudden, a huge cave Troll just popped right infront of me. I was like damn, I am alone and was wondering can I survive this fight, because he brought two more Cave troll adds with him.

Cave trolls have an Earth quake attack that knocks you down, and an AOE that hurts. I timed their earth quake attack because there is a red circle before it happens, I uses my Hammer knock him down, give it a couple swipes, then switched to my great sword, uses my 2 skill ( hundred hits or something like that) then my 3 skill Whirlwind, then uses my 4 skill a great sword throw that cripples, then switched back to my hammer with my Ult up, I used it and knocked it back down. Because all my skills are AOE I nearly killed them, then used my 5 skill on hammer to knock down then 4 skill to push them all away. Pop my Banner of strength, switch back to Greatsword, use my 5 skill which rushes me to the enemy and huge upper cut, then back to 2 skill hundred strike, then 3 to get out , then run around while I kit the Veteran boss. Then 2 when the cooldown is up, then 3 then back to hammer. All while dodging the red circle and trying not to fall off the platform with my Greatsword 3 skill.

A couple times I got hit and wasn't able to get out of the Red Circle, when that happens I just pray that it won't finish me off, then I run around healing myself, then back at it.

That battle was fun, extremely fun.

Luckly after I took down the Big troll, as I was getting creamed by the Adds, more people shown up, saved my ass.

Got the Vista, and went back to exploring the caves for more Nodes.

There was also an DE that happened with a huge Goliath, after almost dying a few times, I finally figured it out that he triggers an AOE attack everytime He raises his legs, so if i see it I dodge and survives. While many others that just mindlessly trying to take it down keeps getting hit by it and it only takes 2 attacks for you to die.

So the combat in GW2 is truly very different than other MMO's.

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