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  • xpiherxpiher Member UncommonPosts: 3,310
    Originally posted by Wookieebob
    Originally posted by feroshus
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

    Its not an excuse its the fact. All the servers AHs are connected. I don't know of any other game that does this. You can access the AH from any where in the world. I don't know of any other game that does this. The load on it is going to be higher. Higher load = more prone to issues, issues that wouldn't be found out in BWE or internal testing. 

     

    That's an excuse alright, and a weak one too. It's completely unecessary to have all the servers trading with each other, there's more than enough people on each server to trade with. It's been long enough now that we should all be using the AH even if it's only on our home servers. And the AH definitely makes the economy, don't try to blame players for Anets foolish ideas.

    Look on the bright side. The gem store has worked flawlessly since day 1.

     

    And thats on NCSofts servers if IIRC

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  • lifeordinarylifeordinary Member Posts: 646
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

    Its not an excuse its the fact. All the servers AHs are connected. I don't know of any other game that does this. You can access the AH from any where in the world. I don't know of any other game that does this. The load on it is going to be higher. Higher load = more prone to issues, issues that wouldn't be found out in BWE or internal testing. 

    I know the game which does it. it is called The Secret World and you know how much it got slammed for broken market feature? how ever when i said excuses i was referring to the part where you called players lazy and that AH doesn't make economy.

    Besides the part where you failed to recognize the population difference (which was central to the poster's point that you were quoting), didn't TSW not even release with an auction house? Or is that wrong?

    And you failed to recognise that that wasn't the 'excuse' iw as referring too. I merely gave an example of another MMO which used market feature across the servers. 

    The TSW market house was taken down one day before release. 

  • grapevinegrapevine Member UncommonPosts: 1,927
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by grapevine
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by grapevine

     

    Still wish it didn't to be honest, but it did launch with a means of secure trading.  Something GW2 does not have until they get the AH working.

    In a similar vein, I really wish they would add face to face trading. 

    Agree, but even then for that to work they'd need to fix moving between instances.

     

    Basically two fundamental mechanics broken since release, i.e. being able to securely trade, and be in the same instance as the person one wants to group with.

    I see people having problems with the overflow servers. We've been fine so far. Just invite people, right click the name of a person in an overflow server, click join and everyone is there. Not that there aren't people suffering from issues.

     

    On a side note, overflow servers are already much less common for me. Lions Arch and an occasional starter zone. As the population spreads out, it seems to be doing wonders for keeping me out of overflow servers.

     

    I used to give the same advise, until I had friends join and started to try and use it.  It simply does not work reliably, in fact seldom.   One clicks on "join" and nothing happens.     I've even had it where my active character (to others in the group ) was my highest level one, while actually playing another.  So when it did work my friends still ended up in the wrong instance.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,660
    Originally posted by Sentime

    Having only a percent of people with access, and no indication of when you have access outside of constantly checking is worse then not having a trade feature at all.

    Welcome to paid alpha.

     Exactly.  You cannot only give access to game features to some players and not others.  Well, obviously you CAN.. but it's bad.

     

    My bank is full of stuff I would love to see on the AH but cannot.  My alternative is to vendor them, vendor something else, or buy gems to increase my bank size. Yay...

     

    Don't get me wrong.  It's not the end of the word, but it IS very dissapointing.  Same as the account security.  No authenticator.. really?  In this day?

     

    There are some things that you cannot anticipate, but a lot of this stuff was pretty easy to foresee.

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Originally posted by grapevine 

    I used to give the same advise, until I had friends join and started to try and use it.  It simply does not work reliably, in fact seldom.   One clicks on "join" and nothing happens.     I've even had it where my active character (to others in the group ) was my highest level one, while actually playing another.  So when it did work my friends still ended up in the wrong instance.

    That really sucks. I hope they fix this stuff.

  • xpiherxpiher Member UncommonPosts: 3,310
    Originally posted by Slapshot1188
    Originally posted by Sentime

    Having only a percent of people with access, and no indication of when you have access outside of constantly checking is worse then not having a trade feature at all.

    Welcome to paid alpha.

    Same as the account security.  No authenticator.. really?  In this day?

     

     

    IP verification not enough? 

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  • FelixMajorFelixMajor Member RarePosts: 865
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Exactly, an AH does not make the economy better.  I've just been trading with people through mail, and you know what?  It seems crazy to think this but everyone I have traded with so far has been honest and trustworthy because there is no payment upon recieval options.  I send someone an item and they send me money, or we trade items based soley on trust that neither of us will scam.

     

    To me, this is much better than soulessly searching through a list of items.

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Originally posted by FelixMajor
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Exactly, an AH does not make the economy better.  I've just been trading with people through mail, and you know what?  It seems crazy to think this but everyone I have traded with so far has been honest and trustworthy because there is no payment upon recieval options.  I send someone an item and they send me money, or we trade items based soley on trust that neither of us will scam.

     

    To me, this is much better than soulessly searching through a list of items.

    It scares the hell out of me. I want at least a COD option.

  • FelixMajorFelixMajor Member RarePosts: 865
    Originally posted by colddog04
    Originally posted by FelixMajor
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Exactly, an AH does not make the economy better.  I've just been trading with people through mail, and you know what?  It seems crazy to think this but everyone I have traded with so far has been honest and trustworthy because there is no payment upon recieval options.  I send someone an item and they send me money, or we trade items based soley on trust that neither of us will scam.

     

    To me, this is much better than soulessly searching through a list of items.

    It scares the hell out of me. I want at least a COD option.

    Yeh I'm hoping they add one too lol, it's fine right now trading lower level stuff but later on with rare items and stuff, a cod option would be nice

    Originally posted by Arskaaa
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,660
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by Slapshot1188
    Originally posted by Sentime

    Having only a percent of people with access, and no indication of when you have access outside of constantly checking is worse then not having a trade feature at all.

    Welcome to paid alpha.

    Same as the account security.  No authenticator.. really?  In this day?

     

     

    IP verification not enough? 

     Apparently not as one of my friends work up today to find he was permabanned.. looking in the acct it shows last accessed from Connecticut even though he lives in Indiana.  Maybe if the IP verification actualy worked it would be worth mentioning.

    Yes i am sure he will get his acct unbanned... but how long will that take.  Again.. very foreseeable issue. Very preventable.

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  • xpiherxpiher Member UncommonPosts: 3,310
    Originally posted by Slapshot1188
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by Slapshot1188
    Originally posted by Sentime

    Having only a percent of people with access, and no indication of when you have access outside of constantly checking is worse then not having a trade feature at all.

    Welcome to paid alpha.

    Same as the account security.  No authenticator.. really?  In this day?

     

     

    IP verification not enough? 

     Apparently not as one of my friends work up today to find he was permabanned.. looking in the acct it shows last accessed from Connecticut even though he lives in Indiana.  Maybe if the IP verification actualy worked it would be worth mentioning.

    Yes i am sure he will get his acct unbanned... but how long will that take.  Again.. very foreseeable issue. Very preventable.

    Odd and I'm sorry to hear that. I thought it would be enough. I've never used an authenticator but I guess times are changing. 

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  • NhyxNhyx Member Posts: 18

    One database that is accessable from all over the world and where people can post their own stuff is the reason why it is hard to implement?

    Okay, 1985 it sure was...

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  • 9Prejudice9Prejudice Member Posts: 30
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

    Its not an excuse its the fact. All the servers AHs are connected. I don't know of any other game that does this. You can access the AH from any where in the world. I don't know of any other game that does this. The load on it is going to be higher. Higher load = more prone to issues, issues that wouldn't be found out in BWE or internal testing. 

     

    I know the game which does it. it is called The Secret World and you know how much it got slammed for broken market feature? how ever when i said excuses i was referring to the part where you called players lazy and that AH doesn't make economy.

     

    Yes, players are lazy. I perfer sandbox MMOs were you have to build the economy yourself. But I know I'm not in the norm. An economy is built by supply and demand. If players really want to buy and sell things, then they'll pick a trading hub and do it. They aren't because the AH will work eventually

    Erm, you're saying players are lazy when you yourself know you're kinda abnormal?

    From another perspective, maybe it's because people don't want to waste time when there's something more efficient and convenient out there? Like pigeon mail vs e-mail, for example? 

    You might want to stay in the Stone Age where people are less "lazy" coz they have to do everything themselves, but most of us have already advanced to the Information Age fyi.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,660
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by Slapshot1188
    Originally posted by xpiher

     

    IP verification not enough? 

     Apparently not as one of my friends work up today to find he was permabanned.. looking in the acct it shows last accessed from Connecticut even though he lives in Indiana.  Maybe if the IP verification actualy worked it would be worth mentioning.

    Yes i am sure he will get his acct unbanned... but how long will that take.  Again.. very foreseeable issue. Very preventable.

    Odd and I'm sorry to hear that. I thought it would be enough. I've never used an authenticator but I guess times are changing. 

     The bottom line is that people just want to play.  Be it the AH.. or account security.  In this day and age, there is sooo much money being thrown at "games" that companies need to look at the basics and lock them down.

     

    I live by the motto: Say what you mean and do what you say.

     

    If you sell me something, charge me whatever you need to, but deliver on what you sell.

     

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  • BeackerBeacker Member UncommonPosts: 440
    Originally posted by Hyp47

    i understand wat has been said here, but its kinda unaceptable because many ppl will reach 1st lvl 80 faster than the trader will be back online... i mean, they could have bought better items and have a better game experience like i did cauz luckily 1 night the trader was open for me and i bought right away gold gear n stuff...

    edited: ok overall im having a blast but its lame because they the dev team always said "gw2 will be released when its finished"

    The Trade Post was taken down due to an exploit that was found. These things take time to fix and I am sure they want to make sure nothing like this will happen again. Unfortunetly for them they thought it was in working order when in fact it was not once headstart happened. No biggy really just sell your stuff in zones.

  • grapevinegrapevine Member UncommonPosts: 1,927
    Originally posted by Beacker
    Originally posted by Hyp47

    i understand wat has been said here, but its kinda unaceptable because many ppl will reach 1st lvl 80 faster than the trader will be back online... i mean, they could have bought better items and have a better game experience like i did cauz luckily 1 night the trader was open for me and i bought right away gold gear n stuff...

    edited: ok overall im having a blast but its lame because they the dev team always said "gw2 will be released when its finished"

    The Trade Post was taken down due to an exploit that was found. These things take time to fix and I am sure they want to make sure nothing like this will happen again. Unfortunetly for them they thought it was in working order when in fact it was not once headstart happened. No biggy really just sell your stuff in zones.

     

    Pretty sure ANet themselves have posted that it's down due to being overloaded, not some exploit.

     

    You may be confusing the issue with the karma vendor exploit.

  • Ambros123Ambros123 Member Posts: 877
    Originally posted by feroshus
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

    Its not an excuse its the fact. All the servers AHs are connected. I don't know of any other game that does this. You can access the AH from any where in the world. I don't know of any other game that does this. The load on it is going to be higher. Higher load = more prone to issues, issues that wouldn't be found out in BWE or internal testing. 

     

    That's an excuse alright, and a weak one too. It's completely unecessary to have all the servers trading with each other, there's more than enough people on each server to trade with. It's been long enough now that we should all be using the AH even if it's only on our home servers. And the AH definitely makes the economy, don't try to blame players for Anets foolish ideas.

    Except their mechanics of the AH will eliminate server inflation.  I very much would rather have cross server economy than server isolated.

    But really not having the trade post is really getting aggrivating.  I'm a crafter, I will level slower because I'm distracted with crafting and not having access to the TP for those creature drop mechanics is getting aggrivating as I have to farm certain mobs especially since the drop rate isn't all that great.  An hour and only got a handful of fang/claws.  To make matters worse is how the pricing is completely fucked up.  People selling crafted items/drops (blues/greens) at vendor price while the materials are ridiculously more.  Like a 56-76 copper priced item while the mats are priced at 6-10 silver.

  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,074
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

    Its not an excuse its the fact. All the servers AHs are connected. I don't know of any other game that does this. You can access the AH from any where in the world. I don't know of any other game that does this. The load on it is going to be higher. Higher load = more prone to issues, issues that wouldn't be found out in BWE or internal testing. 

     

    I know the game which does it. it is called The Secret World and you know how much it got slammed for broken market feature? how ever when i said excuses i was referring to the part where you called players lazy and that AH doesn't make economy.

     

    Yes, players are lazy. I perfer sandbox MMOs were you have to build the economy yourself. But I know I'm not in the norm. An economy is built by supply and demand. If players really want to buy and sell things, then they'll pick a trading hub and do it. They aren't because the AH will work eventually

    Even SWG had the Bazzar, so quit saying people are lazy. It's because we aren't lazy in our real lives that we don't want to waste several hours trying to sell our goods in a town, not to mention it clogs the towns up and bogs down that area.

  • muchavezmuchavez Member UncommonPosts: 199
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Thats pretty immature of you to insult players because Anet does not have some of their features available.  Pretty much every mmo has an auction house these days, berating players for not spamming WTS WTB in a capital city for 30+ minutes for every item they want to sell or buy makes you look unintelligent.

  • stevebmbsqdstevebmbsqd Member Posts: 448
    Originally posted by xpiher

     


    Originally posted by RCP_ut Its available for 50% of players already. It soon will be fixed and when it happens its an amazing feature.. Im simply loving the game and its not the trading post not working fow now that will change that :)
     

     

    its still really really slow and a little bit buggy, but it'll be 100% probably by mid sep.

     


    Originally posted by EricDanie

    Originally posted by xpiher

    Originally posted by PsyMike3d Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it?  i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(
      Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world.  That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days
    It's the trend. Group activities get simplified to a convenient buttom push (Looking for Group/Raid or some similar system, lack of need for party invites in GW2's open world), the Trading Post represents the pinnacle of such simplification on the economy side - you get all servers linked together to accept sales and buy orders from anywhere. It's still an amazing technological feat though, no wonder they grossly underestimated the required load if they offered features never seen before (interacting with the Trading Post from anywhere while being linked to all other servers), there was simply no groundwork for an accurate estimative even with all the BWE's and Stress Tests, people won't play the game as they would play on live, especially the economy when it is all just going to be wiped later.

     

    Exactly. If more people realized how these features actually worked they would be more appreciative that they work at all 

    The thing is, most of us knew about this already. We already PAID for the game. The game was supposed to have this. I like GW2 but Arena Net doesn't get a pass for this launch.

  • CultOfXtcCultOfXtc Member Posts: 378
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by PsyMike3d

    Its already getting annoying for me.... the auction house is down since launch! Economy is very importan in a MMORPG, why they don't fix it? 

    i really don't see GW2 in the far horizon for me :(

     

    Its down because ANET wanted to connect all the servers together but underestimated how much of a load that would be on the servers, especially since you can access it from anywhere in the world. 

    That being said Auction house doesn't make an economy. Playres are just freaking lazy these days

    Excuses in defense of Anet are getting interesting every day.

    Totally agree.  If this was any (or many) other mmo's people would be wining more.  People are (or were)  giddy on fanboi-isum are unwilling to admit it's a big f up.  No auction house lowers the game experience and players opinion on Anet.

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  • proxy42086proxy42086 Member UncommonPosts: 30

    You pay electrician to wire your house. It doesnt work for atleast a week after its done is that ok you wontget mad cause  you dont understand how it works? you pay for something you expect to get what you pay for. Ill give a few day grace period for launch. I love the game but still disappointed on that part.

     

    No one here will pay for somethign and say its ok it doesnt work.

  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Member UncommonPosts: 793

    While it is a pain in the butt, it's not a gamebreaker for me (yet).

    The last 2 MMOs I tried had auction house or bank problems at launch, so it's not uncommon, but that's not really a good excuse.

    Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    I still can't use it.  It's really annoying me now.
  • EricDanieEricDanie Member UncommonPosts: 2,238

    Don't get offended because you were called lazy in this case. I know I am lazy. Laziness is what drives the human race towards convenient solutions.

    "Laziness (also called indolence) is a disinclination to activity or exertion despite having the ability to do so. It is often used as a pejorative; related terms for a person seen to be lazy include couch potato, slacker, and bludger."

    Working with this wikipedia definition it's clear we are just complaining about the lack of TP while we could do like others and trade via mail and communicate to find the sellers/buyers. I bet there are people getting rich that way since the lack of a centralized pricing makes it easier to profit if you know how it works, less people actively engaged due to the reduced efficiency.

    Back on the TSW comparison, so it didn't work on launch either? Plus, could you access it from anywhere or did you need to interact with specific NPCs? If so, how common were those NPCs? With this information we can draw a comparison, keep in mind Funcom released the information that their sales expectations were set too high, so we're looking at the opposite infrastructure estimative of GW2.

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