Best PVP? GW2 or something else?

Dakekarr · October 2012

Hey guys, I'm always on here, but never post, usually just view.

My question to you all is, what would be the closest game currently out that could replicate the old wow days, ala 2006 when you could openly gank or get ganked in areas like the barrens?

Basically I want open world PVP, but not full loot and corpse robbing. Is there anything close to this? Im really interested in GW2 but it's not open world PVP right?

I love TSW but the PVP is a joke, I need open world pvp, just minus the robbing corpse part. It was great in WOW on the PVP servers 6 years ago, but according to my colleagues WOW is definitely not like this anymore, even on PVP dedicated servers?

Darkfall seems close except the graphics look terrible and I havent heard enough promising things from literally anyone to even warrant the $10, not to mention it's full grave robbing.

Again, I really like TSW and the amount of care put into that game, the quality of graphics is exactly what I want, I just want open world PVP along with excellent PVE.

Any ideas from anyone are always truly appreciated, please no trolls, just need intelligent thought.

1vald2 · October 2012

To answer your GW2 question, no it's not really open world pvp like in WoW where you can get ganked while doing some quests or exploring. The people going in to WvWvW (world vs world vs world) join to kill and for nothing else really.

The only game where I really enjoyed open world pvp was AoC, decent graphics and pretty fun combat (Like kicking people off cliffs etc.^^)

bcbully · October 2012

bcbully · October 2012

Originally posted by Dakekarr
Hey guys, I'm always on here, but never post, usually just view.

My question to you all is, what would be the closest game currently out that could replicate the old wow days, ala 2006 when you could openly gank or get ganked in areas like the barrens?

Basically I want open world PVP, but not full loot and corpse robbing. Is there anything close to this? Im really interested in GW2 but it's not open world PVP right?

I love TSW but the PVP is a joke, I need open world pvp, just minus the robbing corpse part. It was great in WOW on the PVP servers 6 years ago, but according to my colleagues WOW is definitely not like this anymore, even on PVP dedicated servers?

Darkfall seems close except the graphics look terrible and I havent heard enough promising things from literally anyone to even warrant the $10, not to mention it's full grave robbing.

Again, I really like TSW and the amount of care put into that game, the quality of graphics is exactly what I want, I just want open world PVP along with excellent PVE.

Any ideas from anyone are always truly appreciated, please no trolls, just need intelligent thought.

Pandaland (WoW) 2012. Not joking. Wpvp lives in pandaland .

bunnyhopper · October 2012

Just curious but if you are really after open world combat, why the hang up about full loot? Games with looting tend not to have anywhere near the itemization of non loot games. You are not going to be losing your epic raid gear of epicness every five minutes.

I would say hang on till Darkfall Unholy Wars next month or Planetside 2. GW2 does offer WvWvW but as someone partial to open world pvp myself, it is meh, the sPvP aspect is what the game seems to be more about.

umie214 · October 2012

despite gw2's flaws, no other mmo's comes even close when it comes to pvp. it's the best we've got atm.

Dakekarr · October 2012

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Not at all, just loved going at it and getting ganked or ganking while keeping all my stuff.

DarthMooska · October 2012

If your idea of best PVP is most fun, Mortal Online, even though the game is flawed to the core.

Dakekarr · October 2012

"Pandaland (WoW) 2012. Not joking. Wpvp lives in pandaland ."

So my colleague was wrong and there is still open non-instanced pvp zones?

Dakekarr · October 2012

Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Just curious but if you are really after open world combat, why the hang up about full loot? Games with looting tend not to have anywhere near the itemization of non loot games. You are not going to be losing your epic raid gear of epicness every five minutes.

I would say hang on till Darkfall Unholy Wars next month or Planetside 2. GW2 does offer WvWvW but as someone partial to open world pvp myself, it is meh, the sPvP aspect is what the game seems to be more about.

True point about not losing Epics, which is probably why WoW never had full looting, and I guess I will just wait.

PaRoXiTiC · October 2012

Well in that case. It is an old game from 2004, but you might try Knight Online.

However, you will have to grind for a few months to get to a competitive level and gear. It is a Free game though. Very good PvP.

bunnyhopper · October 2012

nvm

ShakyMo · October 2012

It's the best current themepark for pvp. It does that mass factional pvp better than Any game since the days of daoc & planetside. It's instanced pvp is better than wow and its clones too.

But.....
You will get more immersion and longevity from sandbox pvp in the likes of eve, perpetuum and perhaps the darkfall launch.

ShakyMo · October 2012

Regarding full loot games.

It's not the same as turning on full loot in say wow.

You don't have hard earned raid epics and what have you. In games like eve and darkfall you can craft anything, you usually have lots of spares in the bank.

When you go out into the world you weigh up what you are doing, where you are going and who with and select your equipment appropriately, weighing up the odds of what you can afford to loose given your potential gains and risk factors. You rarely use your best stuff, you tend to keep that for very important battles you can't afford to loose.

kaiser3282 · October 2012

Originally posted by Dakekarr
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Just curious but if you are really after open world combat, why the hang up about full loot? Games with looting tend not to have anywhere near the itemization of non loot games. You are not going to be losing your epic raid gear of epicness every five minutes.

I would say hang on till Darkfall Unholy Wars next month or Planetside 2. GW2 does offer WvWvW but as someone partial to open world pvp myself, it is meh, the sPvP aspect is what the game seems to be more about.

True point about not losing Epics, which is probably why WoW never had full looting, and I guess I will just wait.

Yeah it's something a lot of people misunderstand about a game like Darkfall. Full loot in WoW would make the game crash and burn. In a game like Darkfall, player skill and character stats / skill levels are more important than gear. On top of that, the average player has a stockpile of everything in their bank. In less than a month of playing DF I started getting a couple seconds of lag when opening my bank because there was so much stuff in there.

People try to make it out to be like if you die once, or a few times, youre completely screwed and might as well quit. But you will be getting piles of gear off of farming mobs, most of which you will sell because you already have a lot of it stored for backups. Also in the process of leveling your crafting skills you will make dozens and dozens of backup weapons / armor pieces until you get to being able to make the rank you want, and then you will make bags full of those.

The game really is worth a try and has the most intense PvP around if people are able to get over their preconceived notion of "gear is everything" that has been drilled into them by themepark games.

Dakekarr · October 2012

Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Dakekarr
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Just curious but if you are really after open world combat, why the hang up about full loot? Games with looting tend not to have anywhere near the itemization of non loot games. You are not going to be losing your epic raid gear of epicness every five minutes.

I would say hang on till Darkfall Unholy Wars next month or Planetside 2. GW2 does offer WvWvW but as someone partial to open world pvp myself, it is meh, the sPvP aspect is what the game seems to be more about.

True point about not losing Epics, which is probably why WoW never had full looting, and I guess I will just wait.

Yeah it's something a lot of people misunderstand about a game like Darkfall. Full loot in WoW would make the game crash and burn. In a game like Darkfall, player skill and character stats / skill levels are more important than gear. On top of that, the average player has a stockpile of everything in their bank. In less than a month of playing DF I started getting a couple seconds of lag when opening my bank because there was so much stuff in there.

People try to make it out to be like if you die once, or a few times, youre completely screwed and might as well quit. But you will be getting piles of gear off of farming mobs, most of which you will sell because you already have a lot of it stored for backups. Also in the process of leveling your crafting skills you will make dozens and dozens of backup weapons / armor pieces until you get to being able to make the rank you want, and then you will make bags full of those.

The game really is worth a try and has the most intense PvP around if people are able to get over their preconceived notion of "gear is everything" that has been drilled into them by themepark games.

Awesome point, and this actually makes me re-think my adversion to the full loot. I hadn't taken into account the fact that the gear isnt as rare and you can make new gear, and its more stats based. Is darkfall even worth touching or should I just wait for the new one which is apparently next month?

I guess I just have memories of getting robbed in UO WAY back in the day when EQ was new and fresh. But then again, I probably didnt realize it wasnt that big of deal even then, lol.

Dakekarr · October 2012

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Regarding full loot games.

It's not the same as turning on full loot in say wow.

You don't have hard earned raid epics and what have you. In games like eve and darkfall you can craft anything, you usually have lots of spares in the bank.

When you go out into the world you weigh up what you are doing, where you are going and who with and select your equipment appropriately, weighing up the odds of what you can afford to loose given your potential gains and risk factors. You rarely use your best stuff, you tend to keep that for very important battles you can't afford to loose.

Great point.

AxiosImmortal · October 2012

Where is the other option because SWG was the best IMO.

Dakekarr · October 2012

Originally posted by Jonoku
Where is the other option because SWG was the best IMO.

I actually kept trying to edit the poll to add SWTOR but couldnt, SWG is no longer around so this isn't valid I would think....

SQTO · October 2012

I am really enjoying the pvp of planetside 2, here is a buddy key if you are interested in trying it out. i am sure someone will find a use for it.

FAX7-7TKM-TPNG-JRNH-GDMP

AxiosImmortal · October 2012

Originally posted by Dakekarr
Originally posted by Jonoku
Where is the other option because SWG was the best IMO.

I actually kept trying to edit the poll to add SWTOR but couldnt, SWG is no longer around so this isn't valid I would think....

It wouldn't be valid if you put in current alive games. Its valid if your speaking in general.

kaiser3282 · October 2012

Originally posted by Dakekarr
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Dakekarr
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Just curious but if you are really after open world combat, why the hang up about full loot? Games with looting tend not to have anywhere near the itemization of non loot games. You are not going to be losing your epic raid gear of epicness every five minutes.

I would say hang on till Darkfall Unholy Wars next month or Planetside 2. GW2 does offer WvWvW but as someone partial to open world pvp myself, it is meh, the sPvP aspect is what the game seems to be more about.

True point about not losing Epics, which is probably why WoW never had full looting, and I guess I will just wait.

Yeah it's something a lot of people misunderstand about a game like Darkfall. Full loot in WoW would make the game crash and burn. In a game like Darkfall, player skill and character stats / skill levels are more important than gear. On top of that, the average player has a stockpile of everything in their bank. In less than a month of playing DF I started getting a couple seconds of lag when opening my bank because there was so much stuff in there.

People try to make it out to be like if you die once, or a few times, youre completely screwed and might as well quit. But you will be getting piles of gear off of farming mobs, most of which you will sell because you already have a lot of it stored for backups. Also in the process of leveling your crafting skills you will make dozens and dozens of backup weapons / armor pieces until you get to being able to make the rank you want, and then you will make bags full of those.

The game really is worth a try and has the most intense PvP around if people are able to get over their preconceived notion of "gear is everything" that has been drilled into them by themepark games.

Awesome point, and this actually makes me re-think my adversion to the full loot. I hadn't taken into account the fact that the gear isnt as rare and you can make new gear, and its more stats based. Is darkfall even worth touching or should I just wait for the new one which is apparently next month?

I guess I just have memories of getting robbed in UO WAY back in the day when EQ was new and fresh. But then again, I probably didnt realize it wasnt that big of deal even then, lol.

Theyve stopped sales on DF1 while ramping up for DF:UW.

Before anyone points it out. Yes you can apparently still get it at Gamestop. BUT they also want $30 for it, then you would alsohave to pay the $10 sub on top of it. So yeah, might as well just wait for Unholy Wars.

DavisFlight · October 2012

Dark Age of Camelot, the game which GW2 based their RvR on, is still miles ahead of GW2.

DAoC benefits from having years to mature their RvR system.

They also have substantial rewards for winning in RvR, which GW2 doesn't have. They have relics, realm ranks, naval warfare. They don't have a cap on their frontier zone, so any number of people can go in and play.

They also have Darkness Falls, and until GW2 gets a Darkness Falls, it will forever be in DAoC's shadow.

And, Darkfall also beats out GW2, because of its massive sieges and real time combat.

kaiser3282 · October 2012

Just noticed the announcement that Darkfall will be free to play starting tomorrow (Oct 17th) until Nov 15th (the day theyre shutting it down) for all past and present subscribers. So if you want to check it out a bit, and know someone who used to have an account maybe you could get their info and check it out free for a few weeks.

Skill / stat gains are increased by x20, so it wont take more than a few days to get up to a pretty decent point once you learn the game a bit.

ShakyMo · October 2012

Unfortunately ea don't give a shit about daoc so its full of people dual accounting with buff bots and other cheats.

Daoc was better than gw2 when it was in its prime, but it ain't now.

Purutzil · October 2012

Honestly, none of the games really have that great of PvP. Dark Fall.... maybe... but its not really THAT great.

GW2 for being a focused PvP game has a bit poor PvP then it should.

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