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Smedley: "EverQuest Next will be the world's largest sandbox-style MMO ever made"
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Its not hard to improve on that heaping pile of excrement.
Back to the topic, Sandbox was really the only viable option for them, and to be honest it suits the Everquest franchise. Yes it was the first themepark, but it also has a lore and world far deeper than anything released since.
They cant out-themepark the big themeparks, they tried with EQ2 and its just not going to happen, the only way for them to succeed with EQ3 is to fill the sandbox market.
I just spat my coffee all over my boss which is my dad lol. Seriously though that was funny as hell. But on a serious note i actually like TSW but asking for EQNext to go the same route as TSW is just dumb.
Seem JeroKane hasn't been reading what Smed has said lol.
it better have underwater raids
zerg style raids! remember doing Ntov raids having 5 and 6 100+ size guild trying to bum rush mobs,omg monks wiping full raids !!!!! great times
He said "type of sandbox" that does not mean it's going to be a total sandbox game, i think from what he has said in the past that it will take some elements from Vanguard and EQ1 with updated features.
Hybrid is the way.
Are we even going to be playing games on the PC when this game comes out?
Werewolf Online(R) - Lead Developer
Speak for yourself, PC gaming is here to stay.
I am just happy to see another EQ world coming. Love the lore behind EQ. Started with UO and ended up in EQ a few months after launch and have played EQ2 off and on for its existance. I do hope it doesn't go the way of GW2, some people love that game, it just wasn't for me. I do hope the hybrid way they go is Vanguard'ish. I am not a huge sandbox fan, but EQ lore would draw me to it.
Really wish it was not so far off..........
theres more to it than just this game. If it does well well see more worlds.
I cant see that as being a bad thing.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
This guy is already moaning and bitch, incredible haha. Sony has more money than any other mmo company.
Well i think we sent him packing back to the messiahs forum.
Where EQ is concerned Smed tells it like it is, nothing come before his first MMO child. Nope, Smed will go all out to make EQNext an epic rebirth of the original EQ.
Did he send you a t-shirt to wear? Picture for your wall?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Not really it does not. Sony is in big trouble atm, it is losing money as crazy and it lost alot of it's worth in last years. SoE is not in bad shape, but Sony overall it is.
Nope but having played the game for six years i won't hide the fact i'm an avid EQ fan and where EQ is concerned a Smed fan.
So put that in you're pipe and smoke it.
He said a sandbox type MMO, this to me means some kind of hybrid along the lines of Vanguard but with an up to date questing system and so forth. As long as people don't take his word as literally a sandbox their should not be any over the top expectations.
He did mention a way back that they are taking a more EQ/Vanguard approach, this could be the one that calls all the old EQ vets back home.
He also said the classes will be more akin to EQ than they are in EQ2, Vanguard classes share more in common with EQ than they do in EQ2.
Van guard is cool. But they said sand box so I'm guessing something more ambitious than van guard in terms of housing and large scale combat. Or am I getting over hyped?Explain what you mean by housing and large scale combat plz mate.
An economy that revolves around controlling strategic locations by building cities or guild castles to have easier access to these points of interest. And these are areas that might be the housing for intents and purposes... but more about actual use than decoration, and it of course involves pvp.Possibly including destructible houses or just guild castles that are destructible. And new guilds castles can levy high taxes to try to force out existing players to sell their land or possibly other tools the devs can introduce to make the game have non instanced housing ( which might mean capacity is reached) that is fun and realistic that involves a player generated economy and destructible houses and/or guild castles.
Also there should be ai/npc involved with the usages of these areas and how it affects the areas and npcs, since I believe npc alignment should play a major role in how it affects the world. Since we do a lot of quests for people it is essentially building favor for the area or even race which may be scattered, or even relocated affecting events in the world.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
Even if it wasn't SOE. Not going to make any judgements until I see somthing solid here. Certainly, not boarding any hype trains.
This coming from somoeone who wouldn't listen to one negative thign about GW2. Where does your 'reasonable crticism' goes when it comes to other games? something you people can't stop parroting about on GW2 forums?
The themepark vs. sandbox discussion is as old as the UO vs. EQ discussion. And it was one arguement to seperate both design patterns.. but basicly it may even go back to MUDs.. but i dont know 100%.
EQ is the traditional Themepark, and back then as WoW was released, WoW was labeled an EQ clone for a reason. It took the classic themepark approach, and improved upon it. Or better it casualiesd it, made in much more casual friendly, and so on.. so from a standpoint of today you could EQ maybe call classic or hardcore themepark, or rough themepark, but it remains still a themepark. There is no whatsoever Sandbox feature in it.
What makes EQ a themepark?
Because it is seperated in different themes. Every area is a new theme, with different level requirement and filled with different spots(attractions) in any of those areas(themes).
And in contrary to a sandbox you cant build up/destroy stuff in the persistent environment. In a themepark everything remains the same.. the spot of goblins will be a spot of goblins now and a year later.
Hmm, i don't think they will go that far, let's not forget that EQ was always a PVE game with PVP a few PVP/GVG servers. Yes times have moved on but i really don't think they will have that much emphasis on PvP. I might be wrong but if i'm not then their is always ArcheAge.
Hmm, i just had a thought, perhaps they might go that far considering ArcheAge could be EQNext main competition
Smedley:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/19/soe-live-2012-smedley-says-eqnext-is-largest-sandbox-style-mmo/
if you google mmo themepark - will be hardpressed to find any mention of it until 2002
in an interview, Garriott talks about the future of mmos
--he references the unreleased WOW and doesnt even mention EQ while talking about themeparks
http://www.gamesfirst.com/articles/aaron/garriott/garriott1.htm
Garriott: Game play dynamic. Well, one of the great things about solo player games is that you get to be the hero that saves the world. Every door you unlock, every feature you see, you experience it special as if you’re the first and only person who’s ever seen it…because you’re blissfully unaware of your next-door neighbor who’s playing the same game. The wonderful thing about an MMP is that you don’t have to go alone. You can actually go with your friends, which everyone has always wanted to do. The problem is that you can never get rid of everybody. Everybody is with you all the time, and so you go into a dungeon and people are qued up to kill the troll king and you just wait your turn. We’ve seen other people try to fix that, like Anarchy Online with their pocket spaces of your own completion area of the quest. I’ve heard World of Warcraft is doing sort of the same thing with solo player areas, but in my mind we’re actually doing something much more fundamental than that, which is that instead of creating this giant virtual world where -- though it’s cool to go, "Hey, our world is five square miles." -- it’s not much fun to get to your friend if you were to come online at different times and different places. We actually believe that the best games will be organized much more like a theme park.
In Disney World, if you think of the main area as the massively multiplayer space, where it’s very easy to find each other or get from one fun activity, called a ride, to another fun activity, and even if you’re on opposite sides of the park, you can get there quite expediently either by walking, or using the train, or in our case teleporters even to make it faster. But when you go on a ride at Disney World, like Pirates of the Caribbean, when you get on a boat, you become blissfully unaware of the other people on the other boats. You can still see them, and you occasionally bump into them, but if it were an instantiated activity, you wouldn’t, and if the Pirates of the Caribbean were a pirate battle instead of a passive boat ride, you could imagine that here we have a quite contained hub world where you go from one fun activity, you come back and say, "Haha, we had a great time on that ride. Let’s re-equip ourselves and see what else we want to do." You want a thirty-minute, short combat adventure, that’s over here. You want a four-hour quest of the avatar scenario that’s very intricate and complex because you’ve set aside time for tonight, then that’s over here.
EQ2 fan sites
Everquest was like a themepark under construction. All the rides were there (dungeons and linear quests); but they hadn't put in the sidewalks or signs and none of the employees (quest givers) had name tags.
So this made everquest like a sandbox. You had a linear progression, you had thematic rides - but you wandered around to hopefully stumble into it. I'd say this was true up until PoP. After PoP, I would say that EQ was nearly every bit a linear themepark as WoW. Because by that time, they had made several changes to their game based on Blizzard's activities.
WoW took the park, paved the sidewalks, put name tags on the employees, through up signs and gave you a map to find the rides. This is what most people referred to as WoW's 'streamlining' or 'improvement' upon the EQ system.
Central to the issue, imo, is not theme vs. sand. It is challenge. EQ always was more challenging then WoW. Even after PoP; the flagging, quest lines and boss encounters were all difficult to achieve. Vanilla WoW players talk about how back in their day, it was more challenging - with quest lines necessary to open dungeons and boss difficulty much higher. But they forget that even in it's extreme days, WoW was still an 'easier' version of EQ.
The central thing I hope for in EQNext is a challenging game. More so even then sand vs. theme. A long term game. A game where I don't have a goal for the night, but a goal for the month. A game which gives me the tools to become a hero, but where I am not a hero by default. But mostly. I want it to be 'MY' character - not the dev's character they allow me to play. Hopefully this is what we'll get.