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Every Mmo since WoW has been a failure.
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every mmo is a failure, the genre is based on a flawed concept of subcriptions and people playing the game over long periods of time... its too darn bad that games are a very disposable asset, like a plastic fork... Use it! Then throw it away...
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I think we have the greatest problem with this one.
The current MMO-crowd is constantly asking for "something new" but rejects "something new" in favor of the same familiar mechanics/dynamics we have seen for years.
This leads developers to believe that "something new" is actually "something familiar, with a twist" and of course they will make games like that.
See the last 7 years of AAA MMORPGs.
Or that MMOs back in the dial up days had.
It's pretty pathetic when MMOs with a 1 million dollar budget on EXTREMELY limited tech had larger more successful MMOs than huge multi million publisher backed MMOs.
Well, ideally we wouldn't make decisions based on which way the Flock turns. We wouldn't be watching the flock carefully, trying to figure where its headed next...polls, popularity, subscription numbers, informal snarky comments surveys...and changing our minds about a game because someone you just don't like is playing it.
Watch the forums for five minutes, and try to convince yourself that ideal's even possible. Gamers gleefully adopt offered labels as self-identifiers! Putting themselves in the box for easy cubbyhole identification.
"I yam a hardc0re sandboxer full-loot-PVPer explorer who believes in stiff death penalties and is against Mounts but for Housing. San Dimas High School Football Rules!"
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
OP, sorry but your being horribly Bias. if you look at pure numbers everything looks bad, But numbers isnt the only thing that defines success.
A good reason why WoW has the numbers. It was the first to bring in more crowds than just the MMORPG crowd. It did it quickly while popularity was on the rise, WoW's numbers were simply Timing. Imagine WoW being released beside GW2 or TSW, sorry to tell you but with what both games offered upon release WoW would not hold ground on them at all. WoW isnt some amazing gem that is untouchable because the game has sheer perfection. Any of the popular MMO's, hell even SWTOR being released in place of WoW would have done the same thing.
Because i can.
I'm Hopeful For Every Game, Until the Fan Boys Attack My Games. Then the Knives Come Out.
Logic every gamers worst enemy.
Chuckle...succinctness rocks.
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Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
When you only had 3-4 to choose from what do you expect? Now there are thousands.
Well, that was pretty easy to figure out with just a little common sense.
Why 10%?
It’s not so much about the commercial success of WoW, but how WoW’s commercial success has crippled true innovation in the genre. What MMO since WoW has had such an impact on the marketplace?
Before WoW most MMO’s on the market were very different games. AO, OU, EQ, AC, DAoC, PS and SWG were dramatically different games. Post WoW it feels like we are getting the same basic game with a different skin. True there are a few exceptions like EVE, but there are fewer games not like WoW, then there are more like it.Almost like WoW came out at just the right time before the oversaturation of games that would of actualy (today) made wow itself how it is to be considered a failure (even if it was to have stuff in its BC or wotlk state). Lets face it, WoW's success is solely due to when it was released and the small amount of compeititon it had, which much of it was more hardcore focused and didn't really bother to take other games content like wow did (which btw, took heavily from EQ1).
I have a feeling this is more so a 'bait' post then anything though, just doubt someone could be ignorant and say something like that without meaning to purposely bait people into an arguement.
Sorry to say but this topic is Absolutely hilarious
Anyway for instance as exemple in 1999 if u guys remember movie: The Blair Witch Project my point is they made that movie with budget around 60k now the movie made in profit over 245 Millions dollars.
My point is there is plenty of games out there even before wow still kicking as long they did not shutdown/close i assume in some way they are successful, plus and ofc there is games out there made with very low budgets and probably made more profit than most of those well known/huge companies with much higher budgets etc
Just to add 1 recent exemple just few weeks ago:
World of Tanks On October 4th, 2012 the game reached 40 million subscribers, with record-breaking 500,000 concurrent players online on one server based in Russia.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Tanks
UO, AC, EQ, DaoC never maintained 1M subs, and its only the asian game that maintained over 1M subs, and they did it before and after wow, but they never been popular in the west.
Relax man, it's okay. You're just doing your job, I get that. You don't have to lie.
I admit, this thread is a pretty clever way to set up your company's game as the...what did you call it? Oh yeah "savior of MMOs."
Cool stuff.
every mmo since wow has failed because wow destroyed the mmo genre with it's "I win mode"
Kick to the Face.
Maybe in 7 more years these companies will stop trying to clone it...
Playing: Smite, Marvel Heroes
Played: Nexus:Kingdom of the Winds, Everquest, DAoC, Everquest 2, WoW, Matrix Online, Vangaurd, SWG, DDO, EVE, Fallen Earth, LoTRo, CoX, Champions Online, WAR, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Guild Wars, Rift, Tera, Aion, AoC, Gods and Heroes, DCUO, FF14, TSW, SWTOR, GW2, Wildstar, ESO, ArcheAge
Waiting On: Nothing. Mmorpg's are dead.
you sir are correct, and actually I hate to say it but SWG Pre-CU was that game that didnt have the wow "I win mode" because you could do anything you wanted to with your character and plus it was a challenge, until $medley and company fu*ked it up to make it look like wow's crap.
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The real standard of success for an MMO is one that has a positive return on investment for it's investors/shareholders and one that employs people for a while. If it also happens to entertain or set the new standard in MMO games then that is a bonus. Games that fail to do this can indeed be considered failures but they are fewer than you might think.
agree
EQ was always under 1m
Everquest was the most popular western mmo for 5 years before wow
over a dozen mmos launched between 1999 and 2004
- many good ones but none as popular as EQ
find a mmo you enjoy and be happy w it,
judging a mmo only by numbers is like saying Justin Bieber sells millions and therefore makes great music
EQ2 fan sites
It says that people get accustomed to mediocrity and don't want to change. I mean we still have the same boorish Political parties, in the US, with the same old tired arguments.
People don't like change.
Aion hasn't failed by your arbitrary criteria, it has maintained several million subs since 2009.
And that last line is why the industry has gone downhill so fast.
The only criteria for 'success' should be that a game makes enough money (or loses little enough, depending) for the people running it to want to keep it operational.
If more companies had concentrated on making a *good* game that kept ~250k subscribers happy for a couple of years there would be a lot more games worth playing for more than a month out there.