Wow... so many trolls. Never? That is way over the top! If failures like Age of Conan and DDO got expansions, then I am pretty sure the #2 sub-based MMO is due for one or more, that being SWTOR. But yet, because people expected the game to reinvent the wheel and it didn't, we get this torrential downpour of negativity. Where is all the negativity for TSW , WoW, and GW2?
This community is really biased... smh.
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Originally posted by Souldrainer Wow... so many trolls. Never? That is way over the top! If failures like Age of Conan and DDO got expansions, then I am pretty sure the #2 sub-based MMO is due for one or more, that being SWTOR. But yet, because people expected the game to reinvent the wheel and it didn't, we get this torrential downpour of negativity. Where is all the negativity for TSW , WoW, and GW2? This community is really biased... smh.
lot of ppl believe that will fail more than others in near future. no trols or biased or haters
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Originally posted by Souldrainer Wow... so many trolls. Never? That is way over the top! If failures like Age of Conan and DDO got expansions, then I am pretty sure the #2 sub-based MMO is due for one or more, that being SWTOR. But yet, because people expected the game to reinvent the wheel and it didn't, we get this torrential downpour of negativity. Where is all the negativity for TSW , WoW, and GW2? This community is really biased... smh.
I like swtor, played for 8 months and enjoyed it for the most part, but the thing that I enjoyed most about it was the leveling experience and that was mainly due the story, and thats the problem.
For a SWTOR expantion pack to be worth it, it would need to add 3/4 planets and continue with chapter 4 of the class story, thats 8 class stories, 16 voice actors for the main protagonists, 40 for companions and then all the supporting cast. Then ontop of that you have to voice the content on the 3/4 planets, then you have the flashpoints to voice, thats alot of voice actors to employ. Then you have to think about things like adding new classes, and all the voice work that would need.
I would love an expantion pack if I'm honest. Loved the agent story and the ending made me want more, I'm just not convinced it's cost effective due to all the voice work needed and tbh, if it didnt have all the voice work I dont think it would be worth coming back for.
I stick to my earlier statement, although I would LOVE to see this game get an xpac, which "may" draw me back to playing it, possibly even paying a sub (c'mon, there's no reason to play it as FTP with THAT business model coming in).
I don't mind being led by my nose for STORY quests, but I'd prefer 1 or 2 alternate paths for xp grinding/questing on the way up. the game is FAR too static in it's pathing.
I'd much rather: Balmorra -> DK -> pick one of several planets/areas->Nar Shadda for story quest -> off to either planet X Y or Z for 10 levels (or *gasp* leave one for another when bored), etc
Compared to the current linear path with no options or variance.
THAT may bring me back.
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I went for never as I don't see them willing to spend the amount of money it would cost to make an actual expansion for this game. But then there seem to be quite a few 'expansions' about that don't seem to expand anything and are such in name only.
Originally posted by Souldrainer Wow... so many trolls. Never? That is way over the top! If failures like Age of Conan and DDO got expansions, then I am pretty sure the #2 sub-based MMO is due for one or more, that being SWTOR. But yet, because people expected the game to reinvent the wheel and it didn't, we get this torrential downpour of negativity. Where is all the negativity for TSW , WoW, and GW2? This community is really biased... smh.
Have you even seen AoC right now or is this just the parotting of "not enough content at launch"?
AoC is a fantastic game right now with tons of content, and the game design is right.
As for WoW, GW2 and TSW, the designs are working as intended and each game finds their target audience.
Anyway, for SWTOR the target audience was disappointed and it's time to go a few steps back, before they can take steps forward, that is the difference.
I personally hope for a kind of "revamp" expansion, something like FFIV "Realm Reborn".
TOR needs an expansion/revamp like this which is worthy of the IP. Plus space simulation is mandatory. Galaxies set the bar, as sad as it is for Bioware.
Sooner or later they have to borrow features, ideas and the openness from SWG.
F2P and more of the same content (FPs/OPs) won't bring the players back.
I was one of the people who was anticipating SWTOR a great deal, I enjoyed it for a little while but was ultimately let down. It was a decent game but decent just didn't cut it for what it was supposed to be.
I imagine there will be a fair few significant updates to the game but i don't think they'll have enough interest to justify producing a full expansion, so unfortunately my vote is for 'never'.
KInda sad to see a game with such a huge amount of potential in this state.
now that the lucas films are in Disney, i think and the rights of the games are in disney.
if they are, we may see Disney force EA to cancel the contruct for the game if finds it unprofitable.
just a thought.
It's VERY difficult to "force" someone to cancel a contract. That's why it's a contract. EA has an existing contract with Lucasarts and that contract is rock solid. Star Wars remains, as far as MMO is concerned, an IP that EA gets to use for another 5 years or so I would imagine. Don't go hoping that just because some other company owns the building that it's going to redesign all the rooms.
now that the lucas films are in Disney, i think and the rights of the games are in disney.
if they are, we may see Disney force EA to cancel the contruct for the game if finds it unprofitable.
just a thought.
It's VERY difficult to "force" someone to cancel a contract. That's why it's a contract. EA has an existing contract with Lucasarts and that contract is rock solid. Star Wars remains, as far as MMO is concerned, an IP that EA gets to use for another 5 years or so I would imagine. Don't go hoping that just because some other company owns the building that it's going to redesign all the rooms.
i know its difficult but not imposible, it happend with big companies and many times with chain stores.
and as ppl say, hope dies last.
fan of SWG, XCOM, Defiance, Global Agenda, Need For Speed, all Star Wars single player games. And waiting the darn STAR CITIZEN
now that the lucas films are in Disney, i think and the rights of the games are in disney.
if they are, we may see Disney force EA to cancel the contruct for the game if finds it unprofitable.
just a thought.
It's VERY difficult to "force" someone to cancel a contract. That's why it's a contract. EA has an existing contract with Lucasarts and that contract is rock solid. Star Wars remains, as far as MMO is concerned, an IP that EA gets to use for another 5 years or so I would imagine. Don't go hoping that just because some other company owns the building that it's going to redesign all the rooms.
i know its difficult but not imposible, it happend with big companies and many times with chain stores.
and as ppl say, hope dies last.
There would have to be a reason for them to go thru all the legal hoops with EA to try to get them to cancel a clearly legal and rock solid contract. Can you think of one? Don't say because they want to make a new MMO, because lets face it, this last few years hasn't exactly said to investors, "HEY LETS MAKE MOAR MMO GAMES AND LOOSE MONEY!". Two Star Wars MMo's have been stinkers in the past, Disney is many things but foolish with they're money and they're IPs is not one.
SWTOR will remain EA's turd for the forseable future, hope if you want, but keep yourself grounded in the reality of how the business works. You've got well over 10 years of MMO gameing history to fall back on to tell you what's going to happen with this title.
I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.
Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.
Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.
I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.
I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.
Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.
Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.
I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.
Umm..
wut?
These games didn't go F2P because of some massive economic failure or because gamers decided they needed gamer welfare. They went F2P because they sucked and had no other choice as a majority of those WILLING to pay for it were smarter than to do so.
Originally posted by TigerAero The low income people got to have their way with another game. It's a sad day...I've just uinstalled it. -(
Don't mistake someone pissing on your shoe as rain.
In the new freemium system, assuming 100 cartel coins = $1 US, basic feature unlocks cost $28.
Since the game is $15, that's $8 more.
If a FTP player wants to play the OPs, FPs, and Warzones all month, (note no Space on rails missions) that is $29 a month. That's $14 more a month then a subscription.
The new "Freemium" system is at best a heavily restricted trial to level 50.
At worst it is a system designed to both hide subscription numbers and give EA the oppurtunity to make more money per subscriber via micro-transactions in the new cash shop.
Originally posted by TigerAero The low income people got to have their way with another game. It's a sad day...I've just uinstalled it. -(
Don't mistake someone pissing on your shoe as rain.
In the new freemium system, assuming 100 cartel coins = $1 US, basic feature unlocks cost $28.
Since the game is $15, that's $8 more.
If a FTP player wants to play the OPs, FPs, and Warzones all month, (note no Space on rails missions) that is $29 a month. That's $14 more a month then a subscription.
The new "Freemium" system is at best a heavily restricted trial to level 50.
At worst it is a system designed to both hide subscription numbers and give EA the oppurtunity to make more money per subscriber via micro-transactions in the new cash shop.
That's pretty cool. The game is F2P now though and I've just got this thing against allowing myself too much free crap. Trying to keep this barrier up in my life so I'm not looking to freeload everything.
I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.
Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.
Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.
I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.
75% of people who bought the game have quit, so that means all those 75% / 1.5 million people are lazy etc, and 500K are not?
It is going F2P because EA are greedy and have seen the HUGE successes of other games gone F2P, and think their version is going to do the same! Except their version is not the same and more restrictive
Also GW2 is F2P (or B2P) and if you do not like F2P, then why play that and not WOW or Rift or TSW, which are not yet fully F2P?
I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.
Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.
Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.
I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.
75% of people who bought the game have quit, so that means all those 75% / 1.5 million people are lazy etc, and 500K are not?
It is going F2P because EA are greedy and have seen the HUGE successes of other games gone F2P, and think their version is going to do the same! Except their version is not the same and more restrictive
Also GW2 is F2P (or B2P) and if you do not like F2P, then why play that and WOW or Rift or TSW, which are not yet fully F2P?
Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.
I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.
I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.
Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.
Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.
I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.
75% of people who bought the game have quit, so that means all those 75% / 1.5 million people are lazy etc, and 500K are not?
It is going F2P because EA are greedy and have seen the HUGE successes of other games gone F2P, and think their version is going to do the same! Except their version is not the same and more restrictive
Also GW2 is F2P (or B2P) and if you do not like F2P, then why play that and WOW or Rift or TSW, which are not yet fully F2P?
Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.
I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.
You are a freeloader by playing GW2. That game is more free than SWTOR
Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.
I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.
I'll try a different tack.
No worries, SWTOR is still your game,
Any FTP players who want to enjoy max level items will be paying DOUBLE of what a subscriber pays.
Even better, EA is counting on subscribers to both pay on average equally for a subscription and items purchased in the cartel shop.
So your fears are unfounded. There will be no freeloaders in SWTOR. (Unless you want to be a wisenheimer and call the developers freeloaders for expecting people to pay more and more for less and less content.)
now that the lucas films are in Disney, i think and the rights of the games are in disney.
if they are, we may see Disney force EA to cancel the contruct for the game if finds it unprofitable.
just a thought.
It's VERY difficult to "force" someone to cancel a contract. That's why it's a contract. EA has an existing contract with Lucasarts and that contract is rock solid. Star Wars remains, as far as MMO is concerned, an IP that EA gets to use for another 5 years or so I would imagine. Don't go hoping that just because some other company owns the building that it's going to redesign all the rooms.
i know its difficult but not imposible, it happend with big companies and many times with chain stores.
and as ppl say, hope dies last.
There would have to be a reason for them to go thru all the legal hoops with EA to try to get them to cancel a clearly legal and rock solid contract. Can you think of one? Don't say because they want to make a new MMO, because lets face it, this last few years hasn't exactly said to investors, "HEY LETS MAKE MOAR MMO GAMES AND LOOSE MONEY!". Two Star Wars MMo's have been stinkers in the past, Disney is many things but foolish with they're money and they're IPs is not one.
SWTOR will remain EA's turd for the forseable future, hope if you want, but keep yourself grounded in the reality of how the business works. You've got well over 10 years of MMO gameing history to fall back on to tell you what's going to happen with this title.
i know how trhey work, i owned a chain store, i've seen contracts canceled (with settlements or forced), nothing is solid.
and plz dont play the smart guy in conversations
also concidering that the crowd will never learn the whole truth.
fan of SWG, XCOM, Defiance, Global Agenda, Need For Speed, all Star Wars single player games. And waiting the darn STAR CITIZEN
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This community is really biased... smh.
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lot of ppl believe that will fail more than others in near future. no trols or biased or haters
I like swtor, played for 8 months and enjoyed it for the most part, but the thing that I enjoyed most about it was the leveling experience and that was mainly due the story, and thats the problem.
For a SWTOR expantion pack to be worth it, it would need to add 3/4 planets and continue with chapter 4 of the class story, thats 8 class stories, 16 voice actors for the main protagonists, 40 for companions and then all the supporting cast. Then ontop of that you have to voice the content on the 3/4 planets, then you have the flashpoints to voice, thats alot of voice actors to employ. Then you have to think about things like adding new classes, and all the voice work that would need.
I would love an expantion pack if I'm honest. Loved the agent story and the ending made me want more, I'm just not convinced it's cost effective due to all the voice work needed and tbh, if it didnt have all the voice work I dont think it would be worth coming back for.
I stick to my earlier statement, although I would LOVE to see this game get an xpac, which "may" draw me back to playing it, possibly even paying a sub (c'mon, there's no reason to play it as FTP with THAT business model coming in).
I don't mind being led by my nose for STORY quests, but I'd prefer 1 or 2 alternate paths for xp grinding/questing on the way up. the game is FAR too static in it's pathing.
I'd much rather: Balmorra -> DK -> pick one of several planets/areas->Nar Shadda for story quest -> off to either planet X Y or Z for 10 levels (or *gasp* leave one for another when bored), etc
Compared to the current linear path with no options or variance.
THAT may bring me back.
you sir are correct and the darkside will complement you with a shipment of your favorite cookies. /thumbsup
now that the lucas films are in Disney, i think and the rights of the games are in disney.
if they are, we may see Disney force EA to cancel the contruct for the game if finds it unprofitable.
just a thought.
Have you even seen AoC right now or is this just the parotting of "not enough content at launch"?
AoC is a fantastic game right now with tons of content, and the game design is right.
As for WoW, GW2 and TSW, the designs are working as intended and each game finds their target audience.
Anyway, for SWTOR the target audience was disappointed and it's time to go a few steps back, before they can take steps forward, that is the difference.
I personally hope for a kind of "revamp" expansion, something like FFIV "Realm Reborn".
TOR needs an expansion/revamp like this which is worthy of the IP. Plus space simulation is mandatory. Galaxies set the bar, as sad as it is for Bioware.
Sooner or later they have to borrow features, ideas and the openness from SWG.
F2P and more of the same content (FPs/OPs) won't bring the players back.
People here are so dissapointed with the game which could explain the Never lead.
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I was one of the people who was anticipating SWTOR a great deal, I enjoyed it for a little while but was ultimately let down. It was a decent game but decent just didn't cut it for what it was supposed to be.
I imagine there will be a fair few significant updates to the game but i don't think they'll have enough interest to justify producing a full expansion, so unfortunately my vote is for 'never'.
KInda sad to see a game with such a huge amount of potential in this state.
It's VERY difficult to "force" someone to cancel a contract. That's why it's a contract. EA has an existing contract with Lucasarts and that contract is rock solid. Star Wars remains, as far as MMO is concerned, an IP that EA gets to use for another 5 years or so I would imagine. Don't go hoping that just because some other company owns the building that it's going to redesign all the rooms.
i know its difficult but not imposible, it happend with big companies and many times with chain stores.
and as ppl say, hope dies last.
There would have to be a reason for them to go thru all the legal hoops with EA to try to get them to cancel a clearly legal and rock solid contract. Can you think of one? Don't say because they want to make a new MMO, because lets face it, this last few years hasn't exactly said to investors, "HEY LETS MAKE MOAR MMO GAMES AND LOOSE MONEY!". Two Star Wars MMo's have been stinkers in the past, Disney is many things but foolish with they're money and they're IPs is not one.
SWTOR will remain EA's turd for the forseable future, hope if you want, but keep yourself grounded in the reality of how the business works. You've got well over 10 years of MMO gameing history to fall back on to tell you what's going to happen with this title.
I honestly thought it was maybe a joke or a snide comment someone made...then I saw the F2P bit on the official forums. I fealt really sad. Like all afternoon.
Always the people better off have to support those who are lazy and well quite frankly can't afford nothing because they don't make/produce enough.
Really sucks when every game you've played in the last 3 years has now gone F2P.
I hope GW2 and Warz keeps me occupied long enough waiting for the next big thing.
Umm..
wut?
These games didn't go F2P because of some massive economic failure or because gamers decided they needed gamer welfare. They went F2P because they sucked and had no other choice as a majority of those WILLING to pay for it were smarter than to do so.
Present company excluded obviously.
Don't mistake someone pissing on your shoe as rain.
In the new freemium system, assuming 100 cartel coins = $1 US, basic feature unlocks cost $28.
Since the game is $15, that's $8 more.
If a FTP player wants to play the OPs, FPs, and Warzones all month, (note no Space on rails missions) that is $29 a month. That's $14 more a month then a subscription.
The new "Freemium" system is at best a heavily restricted trial to level 50.
At worst it is a system designed to both hide subscription numbers and give EA the oppurtunity to make more money per subscriber via micro-transactions in the new cash shop.
That's pretty cool. The game is F2P now though and I've just got this thing against allowing myself too much free crap. Trying to keep this barrier up in my life so I'm not looking to freeload everything.
75% of people who bought the game have quit, so that means all those 75% / 1.5 million people are lazy etc, and 500K are not?
It is going F2P because EA are greedy and have seen the HUGE successes of other games gone F2P, and think their version is going to do the same! Except their version is not the same and more restrictive
Also GW2 is F2P (or B2P) and if you do not like F2P, then why play that and not WOW or Rift or TSW, which are not yet fully F2P?
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Because of freeloaders. They are against everything I value in life. If one freeloader can enjoy max level and items in a game, that game I wil never play.
I have played WoW but I have 4x 90's now and decided enough is enough. I tried Rift, didn't like the soul thing and currently playing TSW. I didn't mention it above because it's a sub game and we were talking about free-ish games.
You are a freeloader by playing GW2. That game is more free than SWTOR
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I'll try a different tack.
No worries, SWTOR is still your game,
Any FTP players who want to enjoy max level items will be paying DOUBLE of what a subscriber pays.
Even better, EA is counting on subscribers to both pay on average equally for a subscription and items purchased in the cartel shop.
So your fears are unfounded. There will be no freeloaders in SWTOR. (Unless you want to be a wisenheimer and call the developers freeloaders for expecting people to pay more and more for less and less content.)
i know how trhey work, i owned a chain store, i've seen contracts canceled (with settlements or forced), nothing is solid.
and plz dont play the smart guy in conversations
also concidering that the crowd will never learn the whole truth.