WoW was bad for other mmorpg's. They've taken a major portion of the mmorpg audience, many of which dont pay and play for 2 different mmorpg's at the same time. So other mmorpg's have lost out a lot of money due to the release of WoW.
It deserves its success, despite what the haters say. These were the same haters who were telling everyone how much of a flop it was going to be prerelease and how Blizzard is overrated and never made a mmorpg before. Eat crow :P
Some people just cant admit its a good game. WoW veered mmorpg's back towards being games instead of these virtual social worlds direction they were headed. Not all of us want to play games just to socialize or doing excessive monotonous killing just to level, dont say every mmorpg before WoW hasnt been excessive in killing the mobs in the same way over and over again forever and ever(which some people pass off as 'complexity', lol), at least WoW made that grind for new powers(when you level) to change the gameplay up somewhat more reasonable. Before WoW(technically CoH) the combat in every mmorpg was absolutely terrible. After them every mmorpg seemed to have revised their whole combat system to be faster paced.
WoW's PvE endgame is more creative than EQ1's in strategies and teamwork. And the PvP system in WoW with getting credit for your kills, reaching designated ranks and rewards based on your kills, Battlegrounds, etc. pretty much beats most PvP out there. WoW's mounts are really cool as well especially the Undead Horses. I've done UO, EQ1, SB, Warcraft3, NWN's PvP and WoW is the best out of all of them. Although old school UO was probably the most enjoyable because the whole graphical mmorpg thign was new.
WoW it seems is a 'lowest common denomimator' game. This is by no means a bad thing, just means they get a whole ton of customers. That being said, it is a good game. It is part of a great franchise, has decent gameplay, and decent replayability.
Fact is, the community is a joke. It is bugged beyond belief, and the so called class balances seemingly every patch constantly re-write PvP to the point where nobody knows what is going on. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed this game, it is just boring after a month.
To me, personally WoW looks a bit rubbish and I don't have any inclination whatsoever to play. I do respect the view that some players have that it is the best thing since sliced bread and am not about to shoot it down in flames as I have never played it.
If I was new to the MMORPG world I might be tempted to join WoW as it does look like a nice little trainer game for people looking to get into the genre. What is good about WoW is that there are many people using it for just that purpose then moving on to the more advanced games. The Eve community for example has taken on many of these players looking for a new challenge. Many of them leave as it is a completely different concept for them and they don't like it, but those looking for a game with depth tend to stay.
I doubt if these players would have become members of the Eve community if it hadn't been for WoW, so am inclined to support the view that WoW is good for the MMORPG community as a whole.
In the age of rapidly expanding broadband there are bound to be Mass Market games of this sort, and I would expect all of the major games companies to have released a broad-appeal mmorpg of some sort within a couple of years. Commercial forces dictate that this will be the case, and WoW is just one of the first MMORPGS to cater for this market. Whether it does this better than some of the upcoming games remains to be seen.
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If you've never played WoW i'd highly advise playing it before taking peoples opinions here seriously. WoW is very misrepresented on this forum because this forum is very partial towards smaller niche games and very anti-mainstream, or envious of the success of bigger mmorpgs. It is why Eve gets so much hype here and nowhere else. And yes i played Eve during its many offers of free trials just like probably everyone else has...i'll just say being a spaceship and mining to make money has to be the most boring grind evar, worse than EQ2 which is saying a lot And the missions, meh.
There is a reason EQ1 was so successful, it was a great game plain and simple. The same goes for WoW. If you think these small niche mmorpg's that come and go are better than these mass success's, your kidding yourself. The mass success's are better in just about every fascet but thats why their so successful. The Horizons and AC2 releases were jokes in comparison and puts the greatness of WoW in perspective since those failures were soooo bad. There are just many people here who are a vocal niche mmorpg audience on this forum that misrepresent games because their preferences are in the minority. Take a look at Gamespy's, Gamespots, or any big gaming review sites and see where these mmorpg's stand. Take a look at the player reviews from all those sites, and you'll get a much better idea of whats good and what isnt. Again if you've never played WoW, this forum would be the last place to look for advice regarding it, especially considering when EQ2 and WoW first came out this forum tried to ban discussion of those games on their main forums, at least the head mod did. I used to post here regularly back then(even had 5 stars!), but stopped because of the bias.
Anyways i'll just say most game companies < Blizzard. Thats really the bottomline at this point. Where are all those haters at that were saying how much of a flop WoW was going to be because Blizz had never done a mmorpg before? And these are the same people giving you advice on games here :P
I think there are many people that wanted WoW to be much more than it actually was.
Maybe something innovative. WoW is the BEST production for everything that's already out there. As all mmo's it's complexity will come over time.
I liked WoW it was probably the best 3 months of an opening game I'd ever played.
But 3 months in after learning the game well, the part that was supposed to kick in wasn't there. There wasn't anything complex to keep the game interesting. No real sort of Landcontrol(I don't mean battlegrounds, becaue I can get that in BF2) or meaningful battles, Guilds and Clans had little meaning, politics were non-existant, the world had filled up with 'ubar leet' kiddies.
The world never changes... You can't build or destroy a city. It stays the same.
I think in a few months I might make a return to the game if I can find a few people I know that still play and they make a few more content changes.
I know they have a the capability to do it. I'd like a special land control server in place. One where there must be as many alliance as horde logged on at the same time to keep it fair but you can dominate or take control of any area. That would bring me back... it'd be enough. WoW was very immersive...
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WoW was bad for other mmorpg's. They've taken a major portion of the mmorpg audience, many of which dont pay and play for 2 different mmorpg's at the same time. So other mmorpg's have lost out a lot of money due to the release of WoW.
It deserves its success, despite what the haters say. These were the same haters who were telling everyone how much of a flop it was going to be prerelease and how Blizzard is overrated and never made a mmorpg before. Eat crow :P
Some people just cant admit its a good game. WoW veered mmorpg's back towards being games instead of these virtual social worlds direction they were headed. Not all of us want to play games just to socialize or doing excessive monotonous killing just to level, dont say every mmorpg before WoW hasnt been excessive in killing the mobs in the same way over and over again forever and ever(which some people pass off as 'complexity', lol), at least WoW made that grind for new powers(when you level) to change the gameplay up somewhat more reasonable. Before WoW(technically CoH) the combat in every mmorpg was absolutely terrible. After them every mmorpg seemed to have revised their whole combat system to be faster paced.
WoW's PvE endgame is more creative than EQ1's in strategies and teamwork. And the PvP system in WoW with getting credit for your kills, reaching designated ranks and rewards based on your kills, Battlegrounds, etc. pretty much beats most PvP out there. WoW's mounts are really cool as well especially the Undead Horses. I've done UO, EQ1, SB, Warcraft3, NWN's PvP and WoW is the best out of all of them. Although old school UO was probably the most enjoyable because the whole graphical mmorpg thign was new.
WoW it seems is a 'lowest common denomimator' game. This is by no means a bad thing, just means they get a whole ton of customers. That being said, it is a good game. It is part of a great franchise, has decent gameplay, and decent replayability.
Fact is, the community is a joke. It is bugged beyond belief, and the so called class balances seemingly every patch constantly re-write PvP to the point where nobody knows what is going on. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed this game, it is just boring after a month.
To me, personally WoW looks a bit rubbish and I don't have any inclination whatsoever to play. I do respect the view that some players have that it is the best thing since sliced bread and am not about to shoot it down in flames as I have never played it.
If I was new to the MMORPG world I might be tempted to join WoW as it does look like a nice little trainer game for people looking to get into the genre.
What is good about WoW is that there are many people using it for just that purpose then moving on to the more advanced games. The Eve community for example has taken on many of these players looking for a new challenge. Many of them leave as it is a completely different concept for them and they don't like it, but those looking for a game with depth tend to stay.
I doubt if these players would have become members of the Eve community if it hadn't been for WoW, so am inclined to support the view that WoW is good for the MMORPG community as a whole.
In the age of rapidly expanding broadband there are bound to be Mass Market games of this sort, and I would expect all of the major games companies to have released a broad-appeal mmorpg of some sort within a couple of years. Commercial forces dictate that this will be the case, and WoW is just one of the first MMORPGS to cater for this market. Whether it does this better than some of the upcoming games remains to be seen.
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'Argueing with an Eve player is like argueing with a religous nut. '
WoW destroyed the MMO community too.
All devs out there want to reach the same amount of customers as WoW, that's why they all make clones of WoW.
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If you've never played WoW i'd highly advise playing it before taking peoples opinions here seriously. WoW is very misrepresented on this forum because this forum is very partial towards smaller niche games and very anti-mainstream, or envious of the success of bigger mmorpgs. It is why Eve gets so much hype here and nowhere else. And yes i played Eve during its many offers of free trials just like probably everyone else has...i'll just say being a spaceship and mining to make money has to be the most boring grind evar, worse than EQ2 which is saying a lot
And the missions, meh.
There is a reason EQ1 was so successful, it was a great game plain and simple. The same goes for WoW. If you think these small niche mmorpg's that come and go are better than these mass success's, your kidding yourself. The mass success's are better in just about every fascet but thats why their so successful. The Horizons and AC2 releases were jokes in comparison and puts the greatness of WoW in perspective since those failures were soooo bad. There are just many people here who are a vocal niche mmorpg audience on this forum that misrepresent games because their preferences are in the minority. Take a look at Gamespy's, Gamespots, or any big gaming review sites and see where these mmorpg's stand. Take a look at the player reviews from all those sites, and you'll get a much better idea of whats good and what isnt. Again if you've never played WoW, this forum would be the last place to look for advice regarding it, especially considering when EQ2 and WoW first came out this forum tried to ban discussion of those games on their main forums, at least the head mod did. I used to post here regularly back then(even had 5 stars!), but stopped because of the bias.
Anyways i'll just say most game companies < Blizzard. Thats really the bottomline at this point. Where are all those haters at that were saying how much of a flop WoW was going to be because Blizz had never done a mmorpg before? And these are the same people giving you advice on games here :P
I think there are many people that wanted WoW to be much more than it actually was.
Maybe something innovative. WoW is the BEST production for everything that's already out there. As all mmo's it's complexity will come over time.
I liked WoW it was probably the best 3 months of an opening game I'd ever played.
But 3 months in after learning the game well, the part that was supposed to kick in wasn't there. There wasn't anything complex to keep the game interesting. No real sort of Landcontrol(I don't mean battlegrounds, becaue I can get that in BF2) or meaningful battles, Guilds and Clans had little meaning, politics were non-existant, the world had filled up with 'ubar leet' kiddies.
The world never changes... You can't build or destroy a city. It stays the same.
I think in a few months I might make a return to the game if I can find a few people I know that still play and they make a few more content changes.
I know they have a the capability to do it. I'd like a special land control server in place. One where there must be as many alliance as horde logged on at the same time to keep it fair but you can dominate or take control of any area. That would bring me back... it'd be enough. WoW was very immersive...