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THIS IS A PVE GAME THAT WILL HAVE SOME PVP
angerr
Member Posts: 865
guys...just so you understand, this isn't a pvp game....if you are among the new generation of mmorpg players....and play these games just to pvp DON'T EVEN TRY THIS GAME.
this game will be geared twords the hardcore pve/group/raid player.
i cannot stress that enough.... it wont have alot of solo or pvp content, you will be really disappointed if you think this is going to be a casual/pvp game. will it have pvp? yes....and i will be on a pvp server.
im just trying to warn you all ahead of time, if you know anything about classic eq pre kunark....and you don't like that style of game you will not like vanguard.
with that being said i cant wait for this game and hope i get picked for beta soon 
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
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Pretty lame, PvP > PvE
WUSS PVE'ERS! Lol.
heh, the more people i can keep out of vanguard with your mentality the better! no offense intended
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
I think that when they talk of Vanguard being a hardcore game they are not singularly looking at hardcore in the terms of raid/endgame. They are looking at it being hardcore in the terms of realism. People should not be mislead into thinking that Vanguard will go the mistake led path that EQ followed and concentrate on the endgame in bias over old content.
Brad McQuaid has stated, quite clearly, that the Sigil team will be keeping the 'newbie' zones alive with updates and interesting additions...we will not see the PoP situation where everyone rushed to PoK and Kelethin, Kaladim, Qeynos, Freeport and the other cities became ghost towns that you only returned to to visit you guildmaster if you fancied a wee bit of nostalgia.
Vanguard will be hardcore because it will test you, it will involve skill and brainpower, you feel as if you really are trapped within this imaginary world of Telon and dungeons will make you exert every little bit of ability just to get round the next corner. Well I hope. If this game includes a PvP ruleset then it is going to be based on skill rather than the WoW way of rush in and decimate. I am pretty sure there will eb something in the PvP game that has not been seen before....not for me though...I'll stick to the apparent 'wussy' PvE and tests my nerve in Telon's dungeons.
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im willing to bet this game will have all the aspects of group and raid, and when i say hardcore i mean it will be really hard compaired to games like wow for instance. if they dont have alot of endgame raid content (or content to be added shortly after release) then they are going to have some po'd players hehe.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
I hope raid will be optional and gear dropped at raid will mostly benefit further raiding like early EQ where raid drop was mostly added resists.
I think I had more challenge in some single groups then any raid. The only reason why so many raid in EQ now is because they have too, it is the way you get upgrades. The major reason why I got bored at raids was because so many didnt do their job but still got reward just to be there.
I hope I dont need to raid 6-7 days a week just to get access to best reward zones or gear so I can group with skilled people.
Hardcore game or not I just want to be challenged and there should always be a new challenge to overcome when one finished.
very true i agree, i just hope i can allways progress with the same character and not get bored with it after 2 months....that is my dream
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Im really looking forward to Vanguard, i wouldnt mind some pvp in the game, but aslong as classes are kept the same and its just a silly lil thing to waste time.
I think there might be PVP servers so if you dont want to play PVP Just join a differet server.
heh, the more people i can keep out of vanguard with your mentality the better! no offense intended
I agree, I'm hoping more people like you stay out. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you in the fact that "PvP > PvE", but that doesn't mean people are wussy just because they enjoy PvE more.
Grow up.
Your the "new generation".. Many of the FIRST MMORPG's had unforgiving PVP. And were pretty much dedicated to it *cough* old UO...Its the carebear games that came out recently and brought the "New Generation" of PVE allstars with it..
Strangly with the exception of EQ you cannot really name any MMORPG that had a huge success and had hardly any PVP..
Yet if you flip it on the other side you can name serveral games that had PVP as a mainstay in there game that were successes and continue to be so today.
WOW, EVE, AO,DAOC,L1+L2,AC1 ect.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
I don't think your comparison is a good one... The comparison you're making is between games that features pvp with pve contents versus pure pve contents... And that's just bad comparison IMO...(Basically, I'm arguing because I think you're implying that pvp is what the majority wants... And I don't feel that that's the case, and I disagree that pvp is a main part of WOW...)
The comparison that should have been made is either hardcore vs. casual, or mandatory(PVP Oriented) pvp vs. optional(PVE Oriented) pvp... If using the latter comparison... Successes for optional pvp would be WOW, COH/COV, GuildWars, etc... Mandatory pvp would be games more like Eve, Lineage1 +2, and etc... And they tend not to be as big of a hit over in U.S. as optional pvp games... but then again my comparison is actually quite bad too... The better comparison is between hardcore vs. casual... Casuals tend to feature pure PVE or optional pvp... Hardcore games tend to feature optional pvp or mandatory pvp, however, Hardcore games usually have mandatory pvp rather than optional... But basically, the best comparison would probably be between 4 categories: Pure PVE vs. (Casual) PVE w/ Optional PVP vs. (Hardcore) PVE w/ Optional PVP vs. Mandatory PVP...
My definition of hardcore is a game that's more complex and requires more TIME to progress, versus casual games where less time is required to obtain all/most of its contents...And I do agree that Vanguard is catering to hardcore gamers...
Note- It looks like I'm arguing about all these stuff... but really all I'm saying is pvp is not what most people want... PVE is what made success for games like WOW, and etc...
Your the "new generation".. Many of the FIRST MMORPG's had unforgiving PVP. And were pretty much dedicated to it *cough* old UO...Its the carebear games that came out recently and brought the "New Generation" of PVE allstars with it..
Strangly with the exception of EQ you cannot really name any MMORPG that had a huge success and had hardly any PVP..
Yet if you flip it on the other side you can name serveral games that had PVP as a mainstay in there game that were successes and continue to be so today.
WOW, EVE, AO,DAOC,L1+L2,AC1 ect.
EQ1 contained PvP. Can with justice claim poor implemented without balancing and putting a lot of efford into it. Success and longevity was in the PvE part. Before that the MUD's contained PvP but the one I know stayed and played for many years on same server and disliked the PK's some had PK alts but the longevity was still in the PvE guilds.
I belive there is a huge market in games where you dont have to be involved in PvP and with great longevity more then any PvP games. In my experience PvP games have an averange shorter lifespan for the individual. The PvP games maybe have longer time before mudlation set in I am unsure of that. Maybe I am wrong I have never put enpugh time into one but I seen people return after short breaks into PvP games because they didnt have the deept PvE have to contain.
Edited to correct mistake about UO.
heh, the more people i can keep out of vanguard with your mentality the better! no offense intended
I agree Angerr. The young mans statement adds more proof that mob A1 is vastly superior to most of these pvpers A1. Not to mention the most important part that npcs mobs don't talk back, have a better vocabulary, better grammar and are more interesting to talk to. No offense intended towards the young man who posted the above pvp assertion.
i started playing eq1 about 6 years ago, i am certainly not a "new generation" gamer. pvp in mmorpg's have just recently gotten popular, sure there have always been games with pvp but it has just recently began to get popular.
I'm not comparing pvp to pve, i love pvp but back when i played eq it was the most successful game out there. there isn't alot of pve games coming out anymore but tons of pvp games, thats why i labeled them next generation.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Noone said PVP had to be mandatory for a game to survive, what was said is that it has to be a Mainstay, or what I should have said is that it needs to be just as important as PVE.. Since as we should all know PVP half thought out in a game can and will effect PVE due to the nerfs devs always create.
As I said in another thread, MMORPG's cannot and will not survive without a form of PVP. It has been that way from the beginning (maybe not the first but the true god father UO). It made its way into EQ, and its in the next king of MMORPG's (WOW). By survive I mean flurish not continue to scrath for its last breath.
PVP games are not the next generation, since there are tons of games that will becomming out that will not feature it.. And I can promise that these games WILL FAIL. PVP and PVE are a must.. Agian noone is saying that PVP needs to be mandatory for you to do, but it has to be a option if you want a game to flourish.
P.S the same can be said for games that feature very little of no PVE, if they do not spend as much time developing there PVE, they have and will fail as well.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
w/e hehe I'm not going to argue with you about "next generation" games. and vanguard will have a form of pvp, it does not need to be a "mainstay" in order for a game to be successful.
eq1 was a pve game that had like 4 pvp servers, take away those few servers and the game would have still been highly successful. with all those pve servers being heavily populated how do you explain all those people that liked that sort of gameplay?
pvp wasn't a mainstay and it survived in both eq and eq2 (yes i know eq2 was a let down but it had little to do with not having pvp) even though they have a good amount of subscribers.
why don't you go tell the entire vanguard fanbase that it will fail because it doesn't have pvp as a mainstay?
but i will say given the option to have pvp will always make a game more successful than it already is. and yeah it would be better to have a decent amount of pvp content as well but it is not needed for a game that is mainly focused on pve.
bottom line is there are plenty of people out there that don't want any pvp in their game, and its because of that vanguard will not fail because it doesn't have pvp or has little pvp implemented
vanguard is one of the most highly anticipated mmorpg's coming out and it is a pve game....sorry i respectfully disagree with your theory
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
games with no pvp....
well, i wouldnt play them
heh, the more people i can keep out of vanguard with your mentality the better! no offense intended
i second that
I've said it before and I'll say it again... if you think PvP > PvE then go play Quake.
idk. maybe im going off the deep end but who knows. Ive had to read alot of your "elite look at me threads" and frankly, its time for you to sack up or shutup. Tell me why XYZ gamer shouldnt come to vanguard and tell me why you should or heck even get selected to beta... Why are you better then anyone else on this board? WHO the fck are you to try and take customers away from SGO!? Back in eq we welcomed NEW PLAYERS. Saying you were new would get a response like "Wow cool" or "man thats great" ... Where on earth did you ever fit into EQ!? i would sure as hell like to know because reading all your famous threads, you DO NOT REP THE EQ COMMUNITY, your more like someone from SWG or some other crap community.
What do you mean by hard core? do you mean someone who doesnt work/goto school / have no life? or is it the guy who plays a support character to have the whole game handed to him? which one are you?
IDK, im a lvl75 Dark Knight in FFXI.. id say im pretty fucken hard core.. and i work 40+ hours a week... do the math
I kinda get sick of these self titled hard core gamers that arent very hard core... I remember lots of these hard core EQ'ers coming to FFXI and being bounced because they werent lol "Hard core" enough.
W/E, would seem you have to make these posts ... for the sake of making them. But i guess your a hard core lol forum poster? The hard core gamer is the guy who is to busy with hes current games to maintain a 5 star poster raiting. Let me guess, when vanguard comes out you will either be here bitching... or giving praise... about yourself and how uber you are. I guess we should expect "Ding ?" or "OMFG! gratz we just killed ?????" LMAO Gratz!
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Since you being this hard core lol raider w/e. You should stay far away from pvp server, wouldnt want to hear these lol HARD CORE gamers cry because there house got burnt down
First let me start by saying I don't agree with most of Angerr's posts, and he is actually TOTALLY wrong about this game, but I do have to admit, that MY experience in EQ, I see 100 Angerr's for every one of you Baldrain. If I tell people I'm new, the responce I get is either silence or "What you want a medal?". The attitude is VERY elitest from what I have seen. The attitude is "I had to figure it out on my own, so I won't help you". They look down on me because I haven't been playing for 6 years. This is the reason I don't really play EQ. I log on occasionally and check out a few things, but I won't ever play it for real.
Again this has been what my experience was like YMMV.
Now on to Angerr. He is absolutely wrong about pretty much everything he's said. This game isn't for the "Hardcore Gamer" it is for the CORE gamer. What's the difference you ask?
According to Sigil, the core gamer wants risk to equal reward. They like to group a lot, but don't want to do it all the time. They want their to be end game and raids, but that's not all there is to the game. This is how Vanguard defines the core gamer.
Can you solo in Vanguard? Absolutely. You will not get the greatest loot, or the fastest advancement that way.
They have made Crafting and Harvesting JUST as intricate as Combat. Can you craft solo? Absolutely. Will you make the best things, or harvest the best resources solo? Nope. That's right folks, crafters and harvesters will have the ability to group too. They'll have specials they'll need to use in the harvesting/crafting process, just as if they were fighting a mob.
Don't be frightened off by confused people saying this will be for "hardcore" players. Brad McQuaid (lead developer and CEO of Sigil) has said there will be some of everything in the game.
I will say however that if you HATE to group, this probably won't be the game for you.
First let me start by saying I don't agree with most of Angerr's posts, and he is actually TOTALLY wrong about this game, but I do have to admit, that MY experience in EQ, I see 100 Angerr's for every one of you Baldrain. If I tell people I'm new, the responce I get is either silence or "What you want a medal?". The attitude is VERY elitest from what I have seen. The attitude is "I had to figure it out on my own, so I won't help you". They look down on me because I haven't been playing for 6 years. This is the reason I don't really play EQ. I log on occasionally and check out a few things, but I won't ever play it for real.
Again this has been what my experience was like YMMV.
Now on to Angerr. He is absolutely wrong about pretty much everything he's said. This game isn't for the "Hardcore Gamer" it is for the CORE gamer. What's the difference you ask?
According to Sigil, the core gamer wants risk to equal reward. They like to group a lot, but don't want to do it all the time. They want their to be end game and raids, but that's not all there is to the game. This is how Vanguard defines the core gamer.
Can you solo in Vanguard? Absolutely. You will not get the greatest loot, or the fastest advancement that way.
They have made Crafting and Harvesting JUST as intricate as Combat. Can you craft solo? Absolutely. Will you make the best things, or harvest the best resources solo? Nope. That's right folks, crafters and harvesters will have the ability to group too. They'll have specials they'll need to use in the harvesting/crafting process, just as if they were fighting a mob.
Don't be frightened off by confused people saying this will be for "hardcore" players. Brad McQuaid (lead developer and CEO of Sigil) has said there will be some of everything in the game.
I will say however that if you HATE to group, this probably won't be the game for you.
I agree with you 100%, about the "core gamer". Very good post on your part (wish i could say the same) but by god man, it makes me sad that you got treated like this? on which server? when i fist came in i joined a newly created server...
It could also be the timing, pretty much the community did start to suffer post PoP