Originally posted by Eletheryl Dont know why people keep talking about the fail of swtor, sure, from a hater point of view it is but in the real world is far far far away from that. Is still the P2P MMO with more subs but WoW, and financially the Cartel Market was a huge success, the population is stable and will grow once again with the expansion and the 1.7 update. People was talking about the Death of swtor for a year, never happened.
If it was a success for EA/BW it would not have gone down in the ranks of priority, there would not be mass layoffs, it would not have gone F2P, the doctors would probably still be with Bioware etc
EA themselves said that its performance was "not good enough", and the reason for that is because it needs $7.5 million per month to break even.
It may be asuccess to you and other players (even myself as I admit populations is better than SWG and other MMOs) and other MMO companies, but not to BW/EA and if the Cartel Market was a success for them then EA would be singing it from the rooftops in the latest financial report which they were not, all because it is a HUGELY COSTY MMO to run.
SWTOR is highly populated due to 1) 2 million sales from launch and people giving it a go, and because I bought it I am making the most of it instead of getting into GW2, Tera, TSW etc as spent money on this and not wasting more money on other MMOs (although when TSW went B2P I got it then) and 2) F2P, which most are probably playing for free to very little spending
Holy crap. I reinstalled Swtor earlier because my friend persuaded me to play again. There are only 8 NA servers now. I was shocked. All my characters are on The Harbinger now. (they used to be on Drooga's Pleasure Barge, and Darth Xedrix before that one). The title of this thread isn't really important either. If you go from 100+ servers to 8, you can't go any lower before you reach death and closure. And here i thought the death of swtor was just an exaggeration.
Originally posted by Eletheryl Dont know why people keep talking about the fail of swtor, sure, from a hater point of view it is but in the real world is far far far away from that. Is still the P2P MMO with more subs but WoW, and financially the Cartel Market was a huge success, the population is stable and will grow once again with the expansion and the 1.7 update. People was talking about the Death of swtor for a year, never happened.
they have same retention rate after ONE year, as wow after EIGHT
they have gone from the BIGGEST MMO LAUNCH IN HISTORY, to F2P in the first year
if this game payed your salary,,im sure, that you wouldnt feel so good
i know swtor isnt dead yet,,but it sure isnt healthy either
realizing, that there is a problem is the first step
getting the fans to take that first step,,is impossible
so yes,,this game is heading directly for the cemetary
Originally posted by Eletheryl Dont know why people keep talking about the fail of swtor, sure, from a hater point of view it is but in the real world is far far far away from that. Is still the P2P MMO with more subs but WoW, and financially the Cartel Market was a huge success, the population is stable and will grow once again with the expansion and the 1.7 update. People was talking about the Death of swtor for a year, never happened.
Sources? On it being number 2 to WoW and the Cartel Market being a success. Amazed EA wasn't siging its praise if so.
And number 2? Eve (c. 400k subs), Battlefield 3 (2.9M subs according to EA), L1 in Asia (not US), FF etc.
My undertstanding is that we have no news on the number of subs but we do know that SWTOR is down to 20 servers - for both subs and F2P folk. Now maybe SWTOR has fewer F2P folk than subs but - assuming it has at least as many then 20 servers suggests 100k subs max. And 200k+ for 20 servers is pushing it.
So number 2? And that is before one starts thinking of Eve (c. 400k subs), Battlefield 3 (2.9M subs according to EA), possibly Rift, L1 in Asia (not US), FF etc.
Well those saying 1.7 would being population levels back up, this is the week to see if that's correct.
I still think the game is churning FTP players, (Which timeframe wise, mirrored the population decline following launch), but we shall see.
I don't get this population l thing. I have not seen less than 4 instances of fleet on :the Harbinger server) for months. Yes they condensed the server's, yes there is a lot less people playing but it has kept a steady population for months now on the servers it does have. What people are leaving out either intentionally or because they don't know is that the population cap for each server was expanded.
It is far from dying and is even making a slight come back.....
Well those saying 1.7 would being population levels back up, this is the week to see if that's correct.
I still think the game is churning FTP players, (Which timeframe wise, mirrored the population decline following launch), but we shall see.
I don't get this population l thing. I have not seen less than 4 instances of fleet on :the Harbinger server) for months. Yes they condensed the server's, yes there is a lot less people playing but it has kept a steady population for months now on the servers it does have. What people are leaving out either intentionally or because they don't know is that the population cap for each server was expanded.
It is far from dying and is even making a slight come back.....
That is because you are looking at it from one servers perspective. Last month there was 5 FULL servers, but now the best they get are Very Heavy, all servers are down.
In SWG and other MMOs, there are certain servers that always stay full as people either transfer or reroll while other die. If you were on Starsider you would see no difference, but if you were on Kauri you would see the game as dead. Although in SWTOR it seems all servers are going down equally, and there is no real strong ones. The problem could be lack of transfers and not enough people willing to reroll on another server.
Well those saying 1.7 would being population levels back up, this is the week to see if that's correct.
I still think the game is churning FTP players, (Which timeframe wise, mirrored the population decline following launch), but we shall see.
I don't get this population l thing. I have not seen less than 4 instances of fleet on :the Harbinger server) for months. Yes they condensed the server's, yes there is a lot less people playing but it has kept a steady population for months now on the servers it does have. What people are leaving out either intentionally or because they don't know is that the population cap for each server was expanded.
It is far from dying and is even making a slight come back.....
That is because you are looking at it from one servers perspective. Last month there was 5 FULL servers, but now the best they get are Very Heavy, all servers are down.
In SWG and other MMOs, there are certain servers that always stay full as people either transfer or reroll while other die. If you were on Starsider you would see no difference, but if you were on Kauri you would see the game as dead. Although in SWTOR it seems all servers are going down equally, and there is no real strong ones. The problem could be lack of transfers and not enough people willing to reroll on another server.
I do not see going from Full to Very heavy as an issue. I think it was getting full only the first couple of weeks of free to play anyway. I stand by my statement that the servers have stablized or grown recently. I imagine after this update they make go to full for a short period again, they will almost certainly go back to very heavy after a couple of weeks.
Well those saying 1.7 would being population levels back up, this is the week to see if that's correct.
I still think the game is churning FTP players, (Which timeframe wise, mirrored the population decline following launch), but we shall see.
I don't get this population l thing. I have not seen less than 4 instances of fleet on :the Harbinger server) for months. Yes they condensed the server's, yes there is a lot less people playing but it has kept a steady population for months now on the servers it does have. What people are leaving out either intentionally or because they don't know is that the population cap for each server was expanded.
It is far from dying and is even making a slight come back.....
That is because you are looking at it from one servers perspective. Last month there was 5 FULL servers, but now the best they get are Very Heavy, all servers are down.
In SWG and other MMOs, there are certain servers that always stay full as people either transfer or reroll while other die. If you were on Starsider you would see no difference, but if you were on Kauri you would see the game as dead. Although in SWTOR it seems all servers are going down equally, and there is no real strong ones. The problem could be lack of transfers and not enough people willing to reroll on another server.
I do not see going from Full to Very heavy as an issue. I think it was getting full only the first couple of weeks of free to play anyway. I stand by my statement that the servers have stablized or grown recently. I imagine after this update they make go to full for a short period again, they will almost certainly go back to very heavy after a couple of weeks.
This statement was true even when it was a subscription game. We all read it a lot in that time, just replace the "free to play" with "launch". Even few weeks before the change, the community was saying things like
-It's growing in my server, as good as launch! I see new people everyday. Stop the doom and gloom.
In this very thread ppl keep saying the same. I think the only thing we can agree here is that the gaming community can't even reach an veredict about a game failing. SWTOR didn't fail in the eyes of some, it is not dying, and it's actually growing. AOC all the way. My guess is that SWTOR is going to be the new warhammer: Came to kill wow, and became the shadow of a MMO.
Originally posted by Swanea I honestly can't believe some people are THIS obsessed with hating the game.
I've never understood it either and this site is notorious for that. I still think WOW has the biggest hate army here . Folks just won't forgive that game for being successful and changing the MMO landscape. They recently boasted about WOW's drop to 9 million subs as if it was some kind of victory. Really, all the big AAA games have a contigent here that loves to bash them. TESO is getting a taste of that right now.
what they implemented is not even remotely close to a f2p strategy it is more of an unlimited trial with toll booths every 2 miles.
after the initial flood of f2p players came and went, after they realized what was really going on.
No, no surprise at all that the server population might be diminishing again.
And to EA I say.
Milk those morons playing it dry while you still can !
if they are stupid enough to be still paying for that crap milk them, milk them hard maybe they will learn something after their pockets won't stop hemorrhaging.
what they implemented is not even remotely close to a f2p strategy it is more of an unlimited trial with toll booths every 2 miles.
after the initial flood of f2p players came and went, after they realized what was really going on.
No, no surprise at all that the server population might be diminishing again.
And to EA I say.
Milk those morons playing it dry while you still can !
if they are stupid enough to be still paying for that crap milk them, milk them hard maybe they will learn something after their pockets won't stop hemorrhaging.
Hey I'm COMPLETELY shocked that you have a GW2 "elite" signature there. I guess with the time you'd need to put into that, you don't actually play any other games--but you sure do have opinions about them.
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If it was a success for EA/BW it would not have gone down in the ranks of priority, there would not be mass layoffs, it would not have gone F2P, the doctors would probably still be with Bioware etc
EA themselves said that its performance was "not good enough", and the reason for that is because it needs $7.5 million per month to break even.
It may be asuccess to you and other players (even myself as I admit populations is better than SWG and other MMOs) and other MMO companies, but not to BW/EA and if the Cartel Market was a success for them then EA would be singing it from the rooftops in the latest financial report which they were not, all because it is a HUGELY COSTY MMO to run.
SWTOR is highly populated due to 1) 2 million sales from launch and people giving it a go, and because I bought it I am making the most of it instead of getting into GW2, Tera, TSW etc as spent money on this and not wasting more money on other MMOs (although when TSW went B2P I got it then) and 2) F2P, which most are probably playing for free to very little spending
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EVE obviously made the right choices,,starting small , and improving slowly over time
letting the playerbase grow naturally through word of mouth
not starting big and with a loud PR hype
hyping the games only hurts them in the long run,,i wish the PR guys would realize that
they have same retention rate after ONE year, as wow after EIGHT
they have gone from the BIGGEST MMO LAUNCH IN HISTORY, to F2P in the first year
if this game payed your salary,,im sure, that you wouldnt feel so good
i know swtor isnt dead yet,,but it sure isnt healthy either
realizing, that there is a problem is the first step
getting the fans to take that first step,,is impossible
so yes,,this game is heading directly for the cemetary
i expect it will be there at the end of this year
Sources? On it being number 2 to WoW and the Cartel Market being a success. Amazed EA wasn't siging its praise if so.
And number 2? Eve (c. 400k subs), Battlefield 3 (2.9M subs according to EA), L1 in Asia (not US), FF etc.
My undertstanding is that we have no news on the number of subs but we do know that SWTOR is down to 20 servers - for both subs and F2P folk. Now maybe SWTOR has fewer F2P folk than subs but - assuming it has at least as many then 20 servers suggests 100k subs max. And 200k+ for 20 servers is pushing it.
So number 2? And that is before one starts thinking of Eve (c. 400k subs), Battlefield 3 (2.9M subs according to EA), possibly Rift, L1 in Asia (not US), FF etc.
swtor is NOT nr 2 in subs
if they were that successful, they would be blowing their hype horns, claiming to be nr one
the fact , that they hid swtor numbers in last report, shows that its doing worse than ever
if my kid had good grades, i wouldnt boast about his class average
if he had bad grades, class average is a good way to make it look better
Well those saying 1.7 would being population levels back up, this is the week to see if that's correct.
I still think the game is churning FTP players, (Which timeframe wise, mirrored the population decline following launch), but we shall see.
welcome to planet earth,,humans do a lot of crazy things
and writing on forums about a game is harmless, compared to , what some other people do
this is the backlash from a a massive sale hype, and broken promises
I don't get this population l thing. I have not seen less than 4 instances of fleet on :the Harbinger server) for months. Yes they condensed the server's, yes there is a lot less people playing but it has kept a steady population for months now on the servers it does have. What people are leaving out either intentionally or because they don't know is that the population cap for each server was expanded.
It is far from dying and is even making a slight come back.....
people come and go in games..specially in F2P mmos
those waves are triggered mostly by by OTHER games,,ragequit, boredom,ban,,and a F2P game will have a new player
getting him to stay and spend some money,,thats the hard part
specially with so many games to choose from
when i started playing mmos in 2005, there was about a dozen mmos
i dont even know how many there is now,,hundreds, maybe thousands
and most of that market was created by wow
That is because you are looking at it from one servers perspective. Last month there was 5 FULL servers, but now the best they get are Very Heavy, all servers are down.
In SWG and other MMOs, there are certain servers that always stay full as people either transfer or reroll while other die. If you were on Starsider you would see no difference, but if you were on Kauri you would see the game as dead. Although in SWTOR it seems all servers are going down equally, and there is no real strong ones. The problem could be lack of transfers and not enough people willing to reroll on another server.
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I do not see going from Full to Very heavy as an issue. I think it was getting full only the first couple of weeks of free to play anyway. I stand by my statement that the servers have stablized or grown recently. I imagine after this update they make go to full for a short period again, they will almost certainly go back to very heavy after a couple of weeks.
This statement was true even when it was a subscription game. We all read it a lot in that time, just replace the "free to play" with "launch". Even few weeks before the change, the community was saying things like
-It's growing in my server, as good as launch! I see new people everyday. Stop the doom and gloom.
In this very thread ppl keep saying the same. I think the only thing we can agree here is that the gaming community can't even reach an veredict about a game failing. SWTOR didn't fail in the eyes of some, it is not dying, and it's actually growing. AOC all the way. My guess is that SWTOR is going to be the new warhammer: Came to kill wow, and became the shadow of a MMO.
I've never understood it either and this site is notorious for that. I still think WOW has the biggest hate army here . Folks just won't forgive that game for being successful and changing the MMO landscape. They recently boasted about WOW's drop to 9 million subs as if it was some kind of victory. Really, all the big AAA games have a contigent here that loves to bash them. TESO is getting a taste of that right now.
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No surprise there.
what they implemented is not even remotely close to a f2p strategy it is more of an unlimited trial with toll booths every 2 miles.
after the initial flood of f2p players came and went, after they realized what was really going on.
No, no surprise at all that the server population might be diminishing again.
And to EA I say.
Milk those morons playing it dry while you still can !
if they are stupid enough to be still paying for that crap milk them, milk them hard maybe they will learn something after their pockets won't stop hemorrhaging.
Hey I'm COMPLETELY shocked that you have a GW2 "elite" signature there. I guess with the time you'd need to put into that, you don't actually play any other games--but you sure do have opinions about them.
oh they are milking alright
they have even found a way to get their in game credits too, by increasing repair costs
soon the remaining players will be dry as bricks
but then mr riccitello can use them for his new mansion
those guys never miss an opportunity
..and whats the quickest way to make credits? Buy a bunch of gambling packs and sell the results. Done EA style.
Even if you are unlucky with "rewards", the cruddy items will still generate credits, enough to raid every week. :-/->-<
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so thats why they did it,,i thought the greed had finally blinded them
but i think it will hurt them a lot more in the long run,,theres a lot of rage on swtor forums
grinding for repairs is one of the reasons , that i stopped high level play in wow
only hardcore players will do that,,and try building a big budget mmo on that playerbase
actually , this plan might work for them,,just not the way, they intended
it looks like they were trying to regulate the credits in game
now players are unsubbing
fewer players=less credits,,problem solved
DING,,100 posts
now where do i get my skillpoints? i REALLY need them,,it sucks to lose everytime
Have a cookie....
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thank you,,now all i need is a glass of milk, then im ready for my bedtime story
any volunteers?
PS not the one about the dwarves again,,thats too scary
lol,,now one of the guilds is trying to blackmail BW for some shinies over this
if they ever make a new SW mmo,,which im beginning to doubt,,i will try to stay away from it
even if it was a good game,,the fans would quickly run it into the ground